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The Illogic of Obama-Bashing Mania

Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:38:10 PM PDT

Once your eyes were thus opened you saw confirming instances everywhere: the world was full of verification of that theory. Whatever happened always confirmed it. Thus its truth appeared manifest; and unbelievers were clearly people who did not want to see the manifest truth; who refused to see it.

-Karl Popper, The Logic of Scientific Discovery

There are two types of theories that provide explanations for Obama's successes. One claims that Obama has created a cult of personality. The other claims that Obama is just a good politician. Both theories rely on the same set of facts (excluding the Obama is a dirty politician and friends with terrorists meme). The Cult Theory (CT) is not a good explanation. It is overly complex and riddled with ad hoc dodges. It contains one of the hallmarks of irrationality; there is no situation that it cannot explain, there is nothing that does not confirm it. It is unfalsifiable, and, therefore, a bad theory.

More on the flip...

Here is a rough sketch of the CT, and why it fails to be a good explanation.

(1) Obama's supporters like him because they have been brainwashed to do so.  Obama is a charismatic and eloquent orator, and has used these talents and charm to convince voters to overlook his vacuous and empty message. He doesn't have positions or experience, or, to quote a recent diary,

Obama's rise and the uprising that follows feels like unearned advantage to stodgy believers in meritocracy. We see in the dismissal of experience, the triumph of style over substance, the victory of glitz over hard work, something of the ageism that accompanies the US cult of youth. This is the same ethos that provides Generation Y with its sense of entitlement. This group projects onto Obama their own fantasies of immediate gratification and reward, the belief that they too can be presidents-of companies and the like-right out of school.

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No amount of argument that Obama does have positions--that he speaks about them in his speeches and writes about them on his website--are enough. He always needs to do so more. He also isn't experienced. This, of course, ignores his time in the Illinois State Legislature and progressive work throughout his life, but these things don't count.
Perhaps most vexing is the idea that Obama's supporters are all brainwashed, and that their ire is raised when they are called brainwashed only shows just how brainwashed they are. Their arguments can be dismissed out-of-hand as the ramblings of a kool-aid drenched mind.

(2) The CT goes on to downplay and demonize other aspects of Obama's campaign. When presented with evidence, for example, that Obama has appeal among moderates and independants, an ad hoc employed by the CT is that he  is secretly being supported by Republicans in order to ensure that the weaker Democratic candidate wins the nomination. I quote a recent recomended diary at MyDD, here:

But what if Obama is not actually bringing in tons of new voters? What if Republicans have organized to cross party lines or vote independent with one goal in mind: to defeat Senator Clinton. And what if this strategy was developed by top level Republican party functionaries-- including Karl Rove-- who believe Clinton will be the more formidable opponent in the general election?

This explanation can be dismissed virtually out-of-hand as is explanatory goodness compared to, say, the GPT is weak. The addition of this ad hoc falls quickly to Occam's Razor; it is vastly more complicated and requires far more tack-ons and additions to make it tenable. Why hasn't it been reported on? The response would have to appeal to a broad and devious conspiricy involving practically every rank-and-file Republican, MSM outlet, and huge numbers of government officials. This argument seems akin to the "God created fossil evidence to test us" ad hoc used to defend Creationism.

The CT goes on to claim that states that hold caucuses (except NV) don't matter, and, in general, states that Obama won don't matter. This, too, is  a kind of dodge aimed to under downplay Obama's success. It, too, is unfalsifiable. To claim that these states do matter, only shows that you, too, have been drinking the kool-aid.

The CT does such a good job of describing the world, that there is nothing which does not confirm it. It is like Popper's descriptions of Marxism and  Freudian Theory (posted in the intro). These attacks and assaults, of course, are not just directed at Obama. There are also those who would claim that Hillary is a closet Republican, and no evidence or argument could possibly change this.

I should say that I was (and am, in a way) an Edwards man, through and through, and I don't have a horse in this race. Maybe I would see things differently if I did, but the level of inane vitriol spewed at Obama and HRC during this campaign is astounding, as are the claims that "I won't vote for (Obama/HRC) in the general if (Obama/HRC) loses the primary."

There are good reasons to support either candidate, and plenty of room for debate, so let's stick to the reality of the candidates, not half-baked, unfalsifiable theories.

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  •  tip jar (23+ / 0-)

    "Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -the last words of Pancho Villa

    by Shef on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:38:40 PM PDT

    •  eh. (8+ / 0-)

      The Obama-bashing doesn't cause me to lose sleep.  He's a politician, running for the most powerful elected job in the world, so of course he's going to get slimed.  To me, this is like jogging with weights, since he's going to face much, much, much, much, much worse if he gets the nomination.  It's just the way things are, thanks to the completely destruction of civility by the Lee Atwater school of civic engagement.

      "No ... human ... would stack books like this."

      by socratic on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:42:54 PM PDT

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      •  I don't lose sleep either, (4+ / 0-)

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        Of course it's true he'll get more and worse later. But, hey, this is a reality-based community, no? I'm just hoping we dems can behave little less insanely.

        "Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -the last words of Pancho Villa

        by Shef on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:44:46 PM PDT

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        •  I share your wish (2+ / 0-)

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          but people tend to get a little spun up in this type of situation, i.e., when there are two outstanding candidates (each of whom has negatives, yes, but each of whom is far better than the other side's offering) fighting over a narrow lead for the biggest prize in the world.  To pick a number out of my pocket, 99.8% of us will vote for the Dem in November, and we will (if there are enough of us -- that's the real fight) be able to go to bed knowing that the nation's security, the Supreme Court, and the people's best interests are being well looked-after.

          "No ... human ... would stack books like this."

          by socratic on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:48:17 PM PDT

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          •  A little spun up I can take (3+ / 0-)

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            I just wish I could remember when I realized Obama was the messiah and that everything I say is wrong.

            "Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -the last words of Pancho Villa

            by Shef on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:53:51 PM PDT

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            •  Yeah (1+ / 0-)

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              I'm not in the messianic thing either.  I started to like him when I heard his message of optimism and renewal in 2004, but I really started to like him when I watched his talk at Google and saw how much time he was clearly spending coming up with policies that will work.  Sen. Clinton has strong policies as well.  But the fact that Sen. Obama is uniquely skilled at presenting those proposals and mobilizing support behind them is what gives him the edge.  If Sen. Clinton wins the nomination, there will be relatively more convincing for us to do since, IMHO, she's a weaker advocate (in the sense that a golden delicious is a weaker apple than a granny smith: they're both good apples, and they're not oranges), but I was planning to do that anyway.

              "No ... human ... would stack books like this."

              by socratic on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 08:00:11 PM PDT

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        •  You mention that both candidates (4+ / 0-)

          are getting slimed here, but your diary focuses only on Obama bashing, which really isn't as prevalent on Daily Kos as Clinton bashing.  

          I agree with your arguments, but I just don't see the dire need to deal with Obama criticism.  Most of the time, if anyone dares to post something like that, they get ridiculed or HR'd very quickly.  On the other hand, Clinton bashing is featured on the rec list constantly.

          Most of the long-time Kossacks who support Clinton have been driven out or are in lurk mode.  I did notice a few new signups today who posted crap about Obama, but their diaries didn't get on the rec list, did they?  

          There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious...that you've got to put your bodies on the gears...and make it stop. -- Mario Savio

          by Boston Boomer on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 08:09:50 PM PDT

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      •  It bothers me (3+ / 0-)

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        Not because Obama is so great and no one should attack him, but because of what the diarist has pointed out--the strange state of fugue required to actually believe these kinds of attacks. I find it honestly frightening that people can so utterly convince themselves of unsupportable falsehoods in the face of all evidence. It bothers me the same way Creationists and other fundamentalists bother me.

  •  MyDD posters swiftboating the Obama family (11+ / 0-)

    In just the past couple of hours, people are posting diaries suggesting that Obama is really a Muslim and raising questions over his mother's illness.

    "You know, God bless him, bless his heart, president of the United States, a total failure."

    by RandySF on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:40:01 PM PDT

  •  Mark Penn's toxic instincts will backfire on Hill (3+ / 0-)

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    McCain's occupation plan will achieve victory when it bestows liberty to the freedom loving people of Iraq and their freedom loving oil.

    by Lefty Coaster on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:45:52 PM PDT

  •  Some of us that support... (2+ / 0-)

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    any Democrat to win the POTUS are just concerned about the effects of the RWSM on Barack Obama and that Obama supporters have "rose-colored" glasses on about how this election will turn out if Barack Obama is our Nominee (which I would fully support)

    This is what we are worried about...really

    http://www.timesonline.co.uk/...

    Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

    by dvogel001 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:46:08 PM PDT

    •  I agree that we'll have to deal with attacks... (0+ / 0-)

      but there's a difference between an attack on a candidate that can be defended and argued, versus an attack where every refutation just makes it clearer that the attack was correct.

      That probably didn't make much sense...

      I'll try to rephrase in a sec.

      "Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -the last words of Pancho Villa

      by Shef on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:49:33 PM PDT

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      •  Well IMHO... (1+ / 0-)

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        he is not doing very well at the "Softball" that John McCain lobbed at him on campaign finance...

        Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

        by dvogel001 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:58:43 PM PDT

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        •  Well, why bother swinging at the softball... (0+ / 0-)

          ...if you're still in the on-deck circle? He is NOT the nominee as of this moment, so why bother responding until he is. McCain can yap all he wants...a few more close calls against the penniless Huckabee and maybe he'll realize he should shore-up his own party before he starts crying poor...

          Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.

          by Aqualad08 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 09:09:46 PM PDT

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          •  Because it keeps the issue... (0+ / 0-)

            in the news cycle and raises doubts unnecessarily...John Kerry thought that these "little things" did not matter either

            Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

            by dvogel001 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 02:07:20 AM PDT

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    •  There's two parts to this, though (1+ / 0-)

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      There's making the charge, and then there's traction. Obviously the Republicans will dig up something for everyone, but perhaps not so obviously (at least to some people) it's not as if everyone fares equally when faced with the Republican slime machine. A successful candidate A) has fewer REAL issues to begin with--obviously someone who has major ethical challenges is in a worse spot than someone who doesn't B) knows how to counterpunch--if you know they will attack, and have a good idea what they will attack about, you should be better prepared to deflect attacks before they gain any traction.

      Obama's been pretty good at both, and perhaps better at the second than most people expected. And yet he gives off this air of: I didn't want to call you a lawyer for Walmart, but you made me--you pushed me to the edge.

      Besides, Mr. bomb-Iran-100-years'-war has actual major issues of policy that one can hammer pretty well. One thing there--if anyone's been paying attention, McCain has been particularly popular among Republicans who want the war to end (I know, I know...) There's still a fair amount of educating to be done there. Either those people aren't aware of what he says or (more pernicious), they don't believe him. They may believe that because he's a moderate or maverick, he's acting like a war monger in order to get elected. They have to be convinced that that's not a chance we can afford to take.

      Barack Obama will only become president if enough people pay attention, so pay attention, dammit!

      by JMS on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:58:35 PM PDT

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      •  What this artical suggests... (0+ / 0-)

        is that it is easier to destroy and mold a candidate's negatives when they are a relatively unknown to the public as Barack Obama is

        http://www.timesonline.co.uk/...

        I will totally support Barack if he wins the nomination but I am concerned and I am also very concerned with the Obama supporters being so sure of a landslide election that everyone will just join in on and vote for him...it is scary

        Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

        by dvogel001 on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 08:01:55 PM PDT

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        •  the issue i have (0+ / 0-)

          with this is that we have allowed the republicans to dictate our actions for too long. its one thing to try and anticipate what they will do but we cannot make choices out of fear. we need to pick the candidate we think will make the best president if they win. neither hillary nor obama are unelectable. we will ot allow the republicans to control the discourse any more.

          •  Well it seems like we are letting the... (0+ / 0-)

            Republicans control the message again with John McCain and the public financing issue...so it is quite worrying for me...

            Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

            by dvogel001 on Mon Feb 18, 2008 at 02:10:19 AM PDT

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      •  this type of stuff (0+ / 0-)

        They may believe that because he's a moderate or maverick, he's acting like a war monger in order to get elected.

        really bothers me. i think we would be in a much better place without polls and such. if candidates actually had to compete without speech writers and gave us their actual positions on things. whenever i hear the meme that you start out at the extremes in the primary then run to the center i always get angry. either you have a position you believe in or you dont. if you change your mind lay out what changed it. sadly the world will never be perfect.

  •  After hearing Republicans debate in Reagan's (3+ / 0-)

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    Library, in front of Reagan's airplane, where each was asked if what they thought Reagan would say about their candidacy, and each one making so many loving references to the departed president that commentators called it a seance......

    If these guys are worried about the Dems having a hero worshiping cult, it's only because they are jealous.

    In a democracy, the most important office is the office of citizen.- Louis Brandeis

    by crystal eyes on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:47:17 PM PDT

  •  Your diary doesn't explain (5+ / 0-)

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    why Obama supporters sacrifice small animals and use ultrasonic laser-guided blogo-rays to mesmerize voters... or why their eyes roll back up in their heads while mechanically reciting talking points over and over... or the special O-Meters they use on volunteers... or why everyone immediately knows to ridicule HRC music videos, almost as though-- they had electrodes planted in their brains . . . or were being remotely guided by some messianic puppetmaster ... hmmm?

    nice try but we ain't fallin' for it.

    "La casa del tirano tiene hoy una visita, dolorosa y dormida como una luna eterna" - PN

    by juancito on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:48:04 PM PDT

  •  sorry (0+ / 0-)

    I've got to run. I'll try to be back in a half-hour to check on comments. I don't think I'll get to many more, but I don't want to dump and dash...

    "Don't let it end like this. Tell them I said something." -the last words of Pancho Villa

    by Shef on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 07:56:45 PM PDT

  •  Thank You! (0+ / 0-)

    It also seems odd to me to bash Obama-mania for another reason:

    If one of our candidates is generating fervent admiration, isn't that a GOOD thing for the Democratic Party? Isn't that something we would WANT?

    In the last two elections Democrats nominated two very good, smart and knowledgeable candidates, who unfortunately did not manage to make too much of an emotional connection with voters. Both of them lost (or narrowly won, depending on how you look at it) against a fairly weak Republican that people "wanted to have a beer with."

    Seems to me, if we have a candidate who does seem to be making that connection, that is an OPPORTUNITY we should JUMP on, rather than complaining that people are being too enthusiastic about one of our guys.

    Of course, if the guy is also brilliant, spoke out agains Iraq before it happened, voted against Kyle-Lieberman, has a ton of integrity, is engaging grassroots like it has never been engaged before --- that makes it a lot easier! ;-)

  •  yeah (3+ / 0-)

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    It's almost like the anti-Obama people are, like, a cult or something.

    I'd rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy.

    by Ickey shuffle on Sun Feb 17, 2008 at 08:24:47 PM PDT

  •  What else can you say about Obama though? (1+ / 0-)

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    Hillary can't just admit that ya, "Obama's just better then me"...

    He is, but she has to say something, so the "no substance" charge is about all you can say.  It has no merit, infact it would be easier to argue intellectually that Hillary has "no substance", but i understand why it works on Obama.

    Substance is not a factor for Hillary because the presumption is that its simply about restoration of the Clinton's, we already know what thats like.  Its not great but its better then Bush.  Obama might be great but we dont know for sure.

    I think thats how it boils down for most people.

    I agree its facinating and sad to see the breakdown on MyDD.  Werent the Clinton's the ones we blamed for years for their hand in weakening the party?  Are they not the antithesis of grassroots democracy?  Its hard to understand what a "grassroots" Clinton supporter sees.  There seems to be so much bitterness mixed in.

    I think its amazing how Obama has created his own grassroots.  Edwards seemed to try to tap into the existing netroots but Obama didnt and yet he has ultimately been far more succesful.  He has done this without much of any direct effort to appeal to "netroots".  I think this pisses a lot of people off.

  •  What disappoints me the most... (2+ / 0-)

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    is I can't tell if Clinton or the Republicans are responsible for the "cult" theme. The sad thing is that many Dems feel the same way. We are so used to "dirty" politics from the Republicans AND from the Clintons that they often use the same attacks on Obama from different sides "He is all speech, no substance" is one both have used. They both have attacked his experience which is a stupid strategy since both of them look old when standing next to him. Then, they both turn around and steal his catchphrases (Fired Up and Yes We Will).

    It is hilarious that Obama has shown himself to be the most organized administrator of any campaign. While Clinton and McCain misstep, pander and brag about experience, Obama has shown that he can run a well-organized grass roots campaign that happens to include alot of people who had been disenfranchised by politics AND collect boatloads of cash. They also know that his speeches inspire which in turn makes them fear him. They sound like karaoke singers on a drunken binge in a honkytonk bar. Barack sounds like a jazz musician at an outdoor festival, hitting all the right notes.

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