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Sexism is still alive...

by wsumike

Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:09:41 PM PDT

.... and is more accepted than racism?????

Watch and see...

http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/...

I'm typing more now to appease the Kos police.  I want to get to the magical 3 paragraphs.  Man I don't know if I can do it.  Darn it, send me to Kos jail.  The more I'm on this site, the more I know that I'm not welcome.  That's a great message to send.

Now watch this one and see what you can do about it.

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  •  Tips or (3+ / 0-)

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    Flames from Obama supports.  I expect nothing less.

    by wsumike on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:09:16 PM PDT

  •  I see a Netflix commercial. (2+ / 0-)

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    Was that it?

    Join the College Kossacks on Facebook. Hat Thief

    by DemocraticLuntz on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:12:19 PM PDT

  •  Lame comments masquerading as diaries (8+ / 0-)

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    are still alive, too.

    And you don't even have to link to Yahoo...

    Show of hands... who would join Kucinich's effort to impeach VP Cheney?

    by Mogolori on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:12:29 PM PDT

  •  Open. Thread. Calling. (6+ / 0-)

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    by MajorFlaw on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:12:50 PM PDT

  •  Dunno. Schuster got suspended for "pimped". (2+ / 0-)

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    O'Reilly will probably get a raise for "lynchimg party".

    BTW, I only saw a netflix commercial. I hate netflix.

    Man. Some "progressives" make Archie Bunker look like Tim Wise.

    by JayGR on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:14:13 PM PDT

  •  I am a guy... (0+ / 0-)

    and I liked the Hillary video...for my 4 year old daughter who can grow up to be the POTUS....

    Obama/Whoever He Chooses '08 Winning Change for America and the Democratic Party

    by dvogel001 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:16:34 PM PDT

  •  More sexism than racism (2+ / 0-)

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    All you need to do is read various diaries and comments here. I've seen plenty more use of slang pejoratives regarding females than African-Americans. I dare say if somebody used the n-word they would be instantly blasted (as they should be) but it seems perfectly acceptable to start with the b-word and go well beyond with no ill effect.

    by palpatine316 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:20:08 PM PDT

    •  Maybe you're right... (0+ / 0-)

      ...'cause I do not see how in the world one could compare the "n-word" with the "b-word."

      by zbbrox on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:52:32 PM PDT

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      •  That's the point (0+ / 0-)

        We as a people (or the most part) have been sensitized to not use a viciously derogatory word to describe someone simply because of the color of their skin, yet we think far less about using words to describe someone in a negative / slang tone simply because they are female.

        Even Obama has used phrases like "claws" and every so often 'gets down / depressed'. What is that code for?

        by palpatine316 on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 04:46:47 AM PDT

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        •  This is silly. (0+ / 0-)

          Is the word "bitch" gender specific? Sure. But outside of the gangsta-rap community (which also embraces guess which word?) it's not used as a term for women in general, or used to demean women in general. There are plenty of words that are generally male-specific, and also negative, and I don't know of any guy who takes offense to their use unless they're directed at him.

          Look, the "n-word" has been used for centuries specifically in the context of de-humanizing and creating an atmosphere of repression for black people. Whatever some women may think, that simply is not how the word "bitch" works, historically or in current practice. It's a sexual slur about as much as calling a guy a "dick" is, and I know of no guy who feels that calling a guy a "dick" constitutes an affront to all guys. It's certainly not nice but it has absolutely zero to do with sexism in of itself.

          by zbbrox on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 06:45:35 AM PDT

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          •  It's only silly to you (0+ / 0-)

            Because you obviously don't care. BTW, in my original comment I said it starts, not ends, with the b-word. I've seen far worse. I suppose none of those comments matter either because they're only targeted at women.

            I suppose we just disagree. You feel you can use a slur because of some immutable characteristic. I don't.

            by palpatine316 on Thu Feb 21, 2008 at 05:40:57 PM PDT

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            •  "slur"? (0+ / 0-)

              Please tell me how using the word "bitch" in reference to a woman is more offensive than using the word "dick" in reference to a guy.

              Gender-specific words don't just become slurs by nature of being gender-specific.

              On another note, don't put words into my mouth. When did I ever say anything didn't matter "because it's only targeted at women"? You're just making things up to try and paint me as a sexist, when absolutely nothing I said held women or words-relating-to-women to any kind of double standard. If you have a point to make, make it, but don't resort to false accusations of sexism just to try and spin the argument in your favor.

              by zbbrox on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 06:51:45 AM PDT

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              •  Let me try again (0+ / 0-)

                First, I note you haven't commented on the use by Obama to "claws" or how Hillary every so often gets depressed and lashes out. Have you ever heard somebody describe a guy as "getting his claws out"?  It was a gender-based attack.

                I haven't put words in your mouth. Now you said you didn't understand how one could compare the n-word and b-word. You said the b-word has nothing to do with sexism. You've tried to rationalize this by saying you don't know any guys who have a problem being called a "dick." While that word is also effectively a sex-based slur, you've missed the point. So what, most guys aren't bothered if they are called names. Do all the women you know also have no problem being called a "bitch"? Do African-Americans feel the same way about whites using the n-word as other African-Americans?

                I repeat, I said it started with the b-word. The c-word has also floated around this place and there was talk of a 527 being called "Citizens United Not Timid." Was that not sexist? Are you going to tell me women don't mind being called that or that there's some male equivalent guys don't have a problem being called?

                If you're using a word based on a person's immutable characteristic, it's wrong. That's the point. You either agree with that or you don't. If you think it's OK to use a person's immutable characteristic to insult them, maybe you should be questioning your own values rather than arguing with me.

                by palpatine316 on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 09:37:16 AM PDT

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                •  Well, first of all... (0+ / 0-)

                  1. If I didn't take issue with every single thing you said, that's because I didn't think you were wrong in every single way. Congratulations.
                  1. I'm afraid you are missing the point. My point with the bitch/dick comparison is that both words are fundamentally different in their use than the n-word. In order to be a "slur" in the same sense that the n-word is a slur, it would have to not only be gender-specific but actually targeted at a gender.

                  Let me make this simple: In general use, if a white person calls a black person an "n-word", then they are using the fact that the target is black as the disparagement. It says "because you are black, you are undesirable or inferior."

                  That is very clearly NOT the intent of the "b-word", "c-word", etc. etc. If a man calls a woman a "b-word", he is not saying "because you are a woman, you are undesirable or inferior." The fact that the target is a woman determines the choice of epithet, nothing more. Do women mind being called a "c-word"? Usually, yeah. But nobody likes being called an a-hole or a bastard, either, and those aren't gender specific. The "b-word" and the "c-word" are bad simply because they're rude, not because they're sexist.

                  You do see the difference between these two types of insults, right?

                  If there are any gender-specific words I think could be considered slurs in the same sense as the "n-word" for blacks, the "f-word" for gays, or the "k-word" for Jews, etc. it would have to be something broader, like, well, "broad", or "dame", or whatever. If you disagree with that, well, maybe you should be questioning why exactly you think just mentioning gender in an insult is the same thing as insulting that gender instead of arguing with me.

                  by zbbrox on Sat Feb 23, 2008 at 08:44:25 PM PDT

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                  •  No (0+ / 0-)

                    By your words "The fact that the target is a woman determines the choice of epithet, nothing more." By your logic, the fact the someone is African-American, Jewish, gay, etc should also predicate the choice of insults to be hurled at them, right?

                    I repeat it is wrong to use an immutable characteristic (gender, race, sexual orientation, etc) as the factor in choosing the insult. You think she's arrogant, call her a jerk, an a-hole, etc. Treat her no differently because of her gender.

                    by palpatine316 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 08:45:34 AM PDT

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                    •  You honestly don't see the difference? (0+ / 0-)

                      Good lord.

                      If someone uses the b-word, they are doing so to insult a SPECIFIC PERSON, not and ENTIRE SEX.

                      If someone uses then-word, they are doing so to insult AN ENTIRE RACE, not just the SPECIFIC PERSON.

                      Use of the "b-word" does not make any kind of statement about women in general, just a woman.

                      Use of the "n-word" uses the perceived inferiority of black people in general as the basis of the insult.

                      This is really, really simple. There is an enormous difference.

                      Out of interest, if I call someone an SOB, am I being sexist toward men, because the insult rests on the word "son", which is gender-specific, or sexist toward women, because the b-word is gender-specific? Or am I somehow being sexist toward both at once? In which case, where, exactly, is the sexism?

                      by zbbrox on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 03:21:57 PM PDT

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                      •  We just disagree (0+ / 0-)

                        You clearly think and have stated it's OK to insult someone simply because of their gender. And I keep asking why you have to bring gender into it and have not heard an answer. All you state is the b-word and the n-word aren't the same. Why is it OK to insult someone simply because she's a woman?

                        The use of the b-word says it's OK to compare a woman to a dog. Just because you happen to be hurling it at a specific woman, you denigrate all women. Same thing with the c-word. If effectively says "you're nothing more than something to have a dick stuck into, just like any other woman."

                        If you use the n-word (and you're not African-American), you're probably hurling it at a specific person and presumably you think all dark-skinned people are inferior.

                        It seems you're trying to make an argument that says the n-word is more loaded than the b-word. I never argued that point. In fact I think it reinforces the thing that started this, which is that sexism here is stronger than racism.  I repeat once again, insulting someone based on an immutable characteristic is wrong.

                        BTW, I've always thought that SOB was an insult to someone's mother.

                        by palpatine316 on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 06:06:25 PM PDT

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                        •  You clearly *don't* understand the point... (0+ / 0-)

                          You clearly think and have stated it's OK to insult someone simply because of their gender.

                          No. Wrong. Completely wrong. Let me put this plainly.
                          When a person calls a woman a bitch, they are not insulting them because they are a woman.
                          The specific word they use notes the fact that they are a woman, but they are not being insulted for being a woman, they are being insulted for being mean.

                          The use of the b-word says it's OK to compare a woman to a dog. Just because you happen to be hurling it at a specific woman, you denigrate all women. Same thing with the c-word. If effectively says "you're nothing more than something to have a dick stuck into, just like any other woman."

                          No. Wrong. Completely wrong. The b-word and the c-word when used as insults both refer to specific women. There is absolutely no implied negativity toward women as a group in either insult. Here's an easy way to tell:
                          If someone calls a woman a "b-word", does that imply they think all women are "b-words"? No.
                          If someone calls a black person a "n-word", does that imply that they think all black people are "n-words"? Yes.

                          This is the vital difference, and you seem to be purposely ignoring it.

                          It seems you're trying to make an argument that says the n-word is more loaded than the b-word.

                          No, that is very clearly not what I'm saying. The level of negativity isn't the issue, it is the use and implications of the words. I really don't see why you are having such a hard time understanding this.

                          One uses the n-word because one dislikes all black people. One uses the b-word because one dislikes a specific woman. The use of the b-word in no way implies anything about women as a group.

                          Again, if you call a guy a dick, is it because you think all men are bad, or because you think that specific man is bad? Clearly the latter--and that is entirely the point.

                          I repeat once again, insulting someone based on an immutable characteristic is wrong.

                          And you have yet to say why. Gender-specification is not, in of itself, a problem--after all, we do it with pronouns all the time. Why does it suddenly become sexist when insulting someone? If I call a woman a "goddess", is that sexism? It's a gender-specific value judgment, are we supposed to avoid those?

                          BTW, I've always thought that SOB was an insult to someone's mother.

                          Obviously, but it is also an insult against the person in question--you don't call someone an SOB because you dislike their mother, you call them an SOB because you dislike them. And you didn't actually answer my question.

                          by zbbrox on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 09:15:02 PM PDT

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                          •  We're not going to agree (0+ / 0-)

                            You can write longer and longer responses and it's not going to change my mind. You say above "When a person calls a woman a bitch, they are not insulting them because they are a woman. " Just because you happen to think you are insulting one person doesn't mean you aren't insulting them all.

                            Your point seems to be "if I don't like you and you're a woman, I can call you a bitch." So the power of determination seems to be with you. That pretty easily distills to any woman can be called that which demeans all women. It's no different with the n-word. The n-word connotes "I have the power to call you something demeaning and I have the power to call anyone like you that name."

                            I answered the SOB comment. I've never given it much thought.

                            by palpatine316 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:40:35 AM PDT

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                            •  You have yet to explain... (0+ / 0-)

                              ...how the "b-word" demeans all women.

                              All you've said is "it makes it okay to compare women to dogs," but, err, it compares a woman to a dog. It in no way implies that all women should be thought of as dogs.

                              If I say to a woman, "you're a snarling dog," is that less sexist than saying to a women, "you're a bitch"? Because either way, I'm comparing a woman to a dog. One way's just, y'know, shorter.

                              If I say to a man, "you're a real dick," does that mean I think every guy is a dick, or should be called a dick, or somehow shares the quality of being a dick? No, of course not. Just means one guy got on my nerves.

                              by zbbrox on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:52:09 AM PDT

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                              •  Look (0+ / 0-)

                                How many times do I have to say, it starts with the b-word?

                                BTW, I did explain how it applies to all women. By using the offensive word, you are saying you have the power to decide which women are bitches, thereby you have the power to decide all women are bitches. That's the same principle as the n-word. It says you have the power to decide certain people are beneath you simply because of the color of their skin.

                                For the record, I don't call a guy a dick either.

                                You have yet to tell me why it reasonable to insult someone based on an immutable characteristic.

                                by palpatine316 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 03:37:25 PM PDT

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                                •  Ay-yi-yi (0+ / 0-)

                                  How many times do I have to say, it starts with the b-word?

                                  And how many times do I have to say that what I’m taking issue with is your bizarre equivalence of the "b-word" or "c-word" with the "n-word" rather than whatever else you may be talking about?

                                  This argument:

                                  By using the offensive word, you are saying you have the power to decide which women are bitches, thereby you have the power to decide all women are bitches. That's the same principle as the n-word. It says you have the power to decide certain people are beneath you simply because of the color of their skin.

                                  Is ridiculous.

                                  Of course when someone uses the "b-word" they are saying they have the power to decide which women are bitches. If I call a woman an idiot, a liar, a jerk, or an asshole, I’m saying exactly the same thing: I have the power to determine which woman are idiots, liars, jerks, or assholes. But saying that a women is an idiot, a liar, a jerk, an asshole, or a bitch does not make any judgment about women in general. If I call a woman a bitch, that has nothing to do with any woman but her.

                                  Just look at the definitions (from AHD):
                                  "b-word": A woman considered to be spiteful or overbearing.
                                  "n-word": Used as a disparaging term for a Black person

                                  Note the obvious difference: "Bitch" refers to a woman who is spiteful or overbearing. The "n-word" refers to any black person. This makes all the difference in the world.

                                  Just think for two second about how the offense is derived from each of these insults.
                                  "b-word": The target in question is being criticized for being spiteful and overbearing. The implication is that being spiteful or overbearing is bad—there is no judgment of women as a sex. There can be no sexism if there is no judgment or preference for or against a sex displayed.
                                  "n-word": The target in question is being criticized for being black. The implication is that simply being black is bad—black people are being judged as inferior or undesirable. This is racism, because it judges one race as inferior.

                                  For the record, I don't call a guy a dick either.

                                  But would you consider it sexist to do so? If I call a guy a dick, am I making a judgment about all men? What about if my fiancé does it?

                                  You have yet to tell me why it reasonable to insult someone based on an immutable characteristic.

                                  It is not okay to insult someone because of an immutable characteristic. It is not okay to insult someone for being a woman, but when someone calls a woman a bitch they are not doing that. They are simply choosing a gender-specific insult to express their pre-existing annoyance. Before, I said:

                                  Gender-specification is not, in of itself, a problem--after all, we do it with pronouns all the time. Why does it suddenly become sexist when insulting someone? If I call a woman a "goddess", is that sexism? It's a gender-specific value judgment, are we supposed to avoid those?

                                  You haven’t answered that. Sexism and racism (and any other –ism) are about judgment. If something is sexist, it must be because you are expressing the belief that one sex is inferior and the other superior in some regard, making a value judgment based on sex.

                                  Simply specifying gender when praising or insulting someone does not do this. Generally speaking, "beautiful" applies to women and "handsome" applies to men. Does that mean that calling a woman beautiful is sexist? Or, as I said, calling a woman a "goddess" is sexist? What if I say someone is a terrible mother, or a bad actress, or just the worst woman I ever met? What if I speak Spanish, and I call them fea, estupida, or (god forbid) a perra?

                                  Just mentioning the target’s sex when making a judgment is not sexism. You must be basing your judgment on sex, and that is simply not how the b-word or the c-word are used.

                                  by zbbrox on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:47:08 PM PDT

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                                  •  Check your definitions again (0+ / 0-)

                                    Note:
                                    "a" woman
                                    "a" Black person

                                    You then change it for the n-word to be "any" black person, implying all. I don't see "all" in the definition.

                                    You make the assumption that somehow the b-word is used in a "pure" sense. That it targets a specific person, specific mean woman. The reality is somewhat different.

                                    I had a coworker who had a bad working experience with an African-American female. I didn't know this when I asked him how his trip went, but I did know the person with whom he had travelled. All he could say was that this woman was a stupid n b.   The target of his ire was not mean, spiteful or overbearing. Why did he need to say more than "X is stupid?" He used the b-word simply because his target was female. Maybe you want to try to defend him on that, I didn't.

                                    I guess I just try to operate by a "do unto others" model. I wouldn't want my mother or sister called it, so I don't call somebody else's mother, sister or daughter it. If you want unity, you have to be the unity.

                                    by palpatine316 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:19:50 PM PDT

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                                    •  It says... (0+ / 0-)

                                      "a black person" without qualification. The lack of qualification says, to me, "any". I think the point about the differing usages stands.

                                      And yes, I would have a problem with anyone calling a woman a bitch if they were not, in fact, a bitch. But any word that conveys judgment can be used in a sexist manner, that doesn't mean that the word is sexist in general use. If a woman says "that man is a pig", that isn't sexist--if a woman says "men are pigs", that is sexist. Y'know?

                                      I wouldn't want anyone to call me an asshole, but the unfortunate reality is that some people are assholes. And if I was being an asshole, or a dick for that matter, I'd want someone to tell me, and not parse their language to avoid offense when I deserve to be offended.

                                      by zbbrox on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:38:09 PM PDT

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                                      •  This is hopeless (0+ / 0-)

                                        Here's the problem. You're saying that the definition of bitch is an overbearing female. Therefore if you run into a mean woman, it's OK to call her a bitch. By your logic, the definition of the n-word is a Black person. Therefore if you're unhappy with a particular Black person, you should be OK with using that word too.

                                        I can hear my former bigoted co-worker saying the following "I called her that because she is one." And then he'd show me your definition.

                                        What word is OK to use to insult a Black person simply because your target is Black?

                                        What word is OK to use to insult a gay person simply because your target is gay?

                                        What word is OK to use to insult a Jewish person simply because your target is Jewish?

                                        What word is OK to use to insult a woman simply because your target is a woman?

                                        by palpatine316 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:51:36 PM PDT

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                                        •  Okay, look: (0+ / 0-)

                                          By my logic it is very not okay to use the n-word simply because someone black, because the n-word is negatively charged. Because it refers to any black person, the message is "being black is negative."

                                          In contrast, "bitch" is negatively charged, but it refers to "mean women"--so the only message is it's bad to be a mean woman, not just a woman.

                                          In response to your questions:

                                          Black? Well, plenty of black people are okay with calling other black people an "uncle tom", referring to a black person who is self-hating or obsequious. That's certainly a very negatively-charged term, but it doesn't make a judgment about all black people, so I wouldn't call it racist.

                                          Gay? I've also known gay people who were okay with using the term "flamer" (or even the other dreaded f-word) as an insult because it implied a gay person who acted like a ludicrous stereotype, and they felt it damaged the image of gays as a whole. Again, gay-specific, but not anti-gay (at least in this context).

                                          Jewish? I actually have a very specific story here, which is that a friend of mine used to constantly call other Jewish girls "JAPs" (that is, Jewish-American Princesses), meaning that they were snotty or spoiled and, again, living up to a stereotype she felt was wrong. This caused some consternation for her boyfriend and I, because when spoken JAP is indistinguishable from "Jap", which is a generally disparaging term used for Japanese people.

                                          Woman? Well "bitch" and the "c-word" are a good start... (incidentally, in most other English-speaking countries, the "c-word" is a very mild swear, somewhat equivalent to "son of a bitch", hardly the demonic, worst-of-all-words we make it out to be here). I would, in fact, say that virtually any word that is sex-specific is AOK, provided that it is not used to refer to all members of that sex.

                                          Just mentioning someone's sex, race, religion, or sexuality while insulting them is only bias if the mention is intended to disparage the sex, race, religion, or sexuality as a whole.

                                          For instance, it isn't wrong to refer to a Jewish person as a "Jew". But it IS wrong to say, "You stupid Jew!" because it implies that being a Jew somehow adds to the insult, which in turn implies that there is something wrong with being Jewish. But just because the term CAN be used in an offensive way does NOT mean the term itself is offensive.

                                          by zbbrox on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:16:27 PM PDT

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  •  Not only is that stupid but... (0+ / 0-)

    ...it's not scriptural and may be illegal. At best it's a misreading of the NT admonition by Paul for men to not be spiritually guided by women.

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    by kck on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:22:04 PM PDT

  •  I honestly don't understand diaries like these (13+ / 0-)

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    Being a young black woman, I see racism and sexism every fricken day and it's often met with a shrug.  
    Racism and sexism will not be eliminated  if Obama or Hillary is elected.

    The whole idea that we must elect a woman because of this or African American because of that completely ignores the fact that this disease is a mindset and people will only be cured of it through movement and will.

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    by velvet blasphemy on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:23:03 PM PDT

  •  Um, I Don't Know Whether To Comment About.... (1+ / 0-)

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    ....the CONTENT of your "diary", or the lack thereof.  I'll give you the benefit of simply being succicnt, like a Minuteman song.  Both isms are equally alive and well, and neither should be acceptable in this day and age, however that does not spread the weed of both from continually growing.  Here's what I'd like to see.  First off, you legalize illicit drugs, putting that money towards rehabilitation programs, and enact strict controls of corporate sales of said illicit drugs, much like the way alchohol is controlled today.  The need for illegal drug services will dry up overnight, and put them out of business, thus winning the "Drug War".  Ask any teenager what is easier to get, alchohol or drugs, and hands down drugs is the answer.  How does this tie in to your issue?  Drug incarcerations are the reason rapists are let back on to the street after a year, while the non-violent drug offender stays in jail for up to ten years longer.  In this case, if you need to compare isms, they both wind up equally on the end of a losing battle.  Want to take a big step towards ending these inequalities, then take a pro-drug legalization stance.

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    by tkmattson on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:24:09 PM PDT

    •  Yes, I see your point.. (1+ / 0-)

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      ... but not really.  

      Sexism, racism and tangent-ism is very much alive today.

      by wsumike on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:28:08 PM PDT

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      •  It Is A Battle That Would Result In Justice.... (0+ / 0-)

        ....hate to stereotype, but these are actually the facts, and facts are facts.  Most rapists tend to be white males, their targets being generally white women.  Most non-violent drug offenders tend to African American.  How much better would this country be if the self made entrepenuers, who are the non violent drug offenders were rehabilitated and sent on a tract towards an MBA, while the rapists instead were locked in the jails for terms that were equal to their crimes?  That inequity is due to one thing and one thing alone, the isms we are discussing.

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        by tkmattson on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:36:55 PM PDT

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    but this is NOT a "substantive" diary.

    Obama, or McCain

    by Elise on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:26:03 PM PDT

  •  We need diary reform on the Daily Kos (8+ / 0-)

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    decafdyke, zenbowl, Urizen, Elise, eaglecries, MajorFlaw, gchaucer2, a girl in MI

    I don't care what the topic, or who is supporting who, or flaming who. This is the tenth non-diary I've seen today. Enough is enough.  

    You shouldn't be able to post a diary that has less than a certain number of characters in both the header and the body, and if you get around that by posting extra letters or numbers, static just to fill up space, you should lose your diary privs.

    This is not a diary. It's a comment divided between the top and bottom with a link.

    Sexism sucks. So does being lazy and selfish and knocking somebody else's extremely hard work on something substantive that took hours to draft down the page for your own vanities sake.

    "Arguments are extremely vulgar, for everyone in good society holds exactly the same opinion." - Oscar Wilde

    by LeftHandedMan on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:26:43 PM PDT

  •  Here's a clue (6+ / 0-)

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    decafdyke, American Zapatista, Elise, eaglecries, MajorFlaw, a girl in MI

    write a diary and don't make me go through links to find out what the hell your point is -- because I didn't.  This isn't a diary.

    My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:27:56 PM PDT

  •  Your commentary is useless. Playing the (4+ / 0-)

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    Opression Olympics never gets anyone anywhere. Just sayin' as a woman of color myself.  

    by leney on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:28:09 PM PDT

  •  Here comes the... (0+ / 0-)

    ... Kos police, telling me that I don't do enough to entertain them.  Thanks for telling me how it is around here.  Now I will write a 20 page paper about how I should passify the masses by writing more in a diary.  

    by wsumike on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:31:30 PM PDT

    •  Don't bother (0+ / 0-)

      if you don't read the FAQs, don't comprehend what consitutes a dairy, 20 pages of drivel from you will only kill trees.  What a whiner.

      My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

      by gchaucer2 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:33:17 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I'm not the one... (0+ / 0-)

        ... who is pissing and moaning about a short diary.  

        by wsumike on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:34:13 PM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Jeebus, (0+ / 0-)

          you are denser than a turnip.

          My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

          by gchaucer2 on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:36:00 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Wow (0+ / 0-)

            I didn't think Obama people belived in negative stuff.  Get a life.  I posted my diary, if you don't like it great.  If you do, great.  If you think it's too short great.  If you think it's just right great.  I don't understand why you people can't get out of basement, off the computer and get into the real world.  Man, I guess I can't understand because I'm denser than a turnip.

            This is what I meant in my tip-jar about Obama fans flaming me.  Thanks for proving my point.

            ps - this comment is longer than the diary.  Does this make up for the sin of a short diary?  Please say is does.  I need the flogging to stop.  

            Now will you post some intelligent discussion about the topic at hand or do I need to type more before you form an opinion on the matter?

            by wsumike on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:43:49 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

    •  OMG!!! Teh Kos Kops are after you!!!!! (2+ / 0-)

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      Join the College Kossacks on Facebook. Hat Thief

      by DemocraticLuntz on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:33:56 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Give it a rest (1+ / 0-)

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      There's nothing more annoying than a diarist who breaks the rules for a minimally acceptable diary, and then cries "anti-Hillary bias!!!" when called on it (or, in the case of the tip jar, before being called on it).

      If you linked to and summarized the recent Boston Globe story on racism vs. sexism in the election, on the other hand, you'd have a diary (I linked it below).

      If there really were a radical black Muslim country-club elitist in the race, I'd probably vote for him just for novelty's sake.

      by cardinal on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:44:07 PM PDT

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  •  You alienate men with this type of stuff (0+ / 0-)

    I was sympathetic after the first link, such beliefs are wrong.

    The second link? Not so much. When I saw the point you were trying to make, it made me even less sympathetic to the first story.

    by Erik W on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:32:32 PM PDT

  •  I thought you were posting the (1+ / 0-)

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    excellent Boston Globe story.

    Your link is interesting -- but what does it have to do with the election?

    If there really were a radical black Muslim country-club elitist in the race, I'd probably vote for him just for novelty's sake.

    by cardinal on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 07:40:07 PM PDT

  •  i liked the second video (0+ / 0-)

    Who was singing?  I was thinking Dixie chicks?  Anyway, it was pretty emotion-inspiring.  

    I'm an Edwards Democrat!

    by invisiblewoman on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:02:00 PM PDT

  •  If only Hillary were a better role model! (0+ / 0-)

    In a time of universal deceit, the simple act of telling the truth is revolutionary--George Orwell

    by Circle on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:13:52 PM PDT

  •  sexism and racism are both huge problems, and I (0+ / 0-)

    think it is rather counter-productive to argue about which one is supposedly more accepted. We need to be fighting against both sexism and racism.

    I Got The News Today: Remembering our fallen soldiers

    by a girl in MI on Wed Feb 20, 2008 at 08:56:34 PM PDT

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