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Obama: First Gen X President? Nope  

Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:18:58 AM PDT

Is Barack Obama on the verge of becoming the first Generation X President or is he a member of the last of the Baby Boomers? Follow me over the fold and we'll take a look at the generational trends that have shaped this candidate for President.

Boomer or X'er? Well actually a little of both and that makes a difference in how he sees the world. There are numerous articles about him being a member of Generation X, however, he doesn’t have the hallmarks usually associated with this generation. Obama is definitely not cynical nor a slacker.  His is however much different from a Boomer, a group Bill, Hillary, Bush and John Kerry are members of. He is, if you read any of the various books on generational trends NOT a boomer, which makes some influential Boomers question his Bona Fides.  He himself addresses his view of Boomers in his book, "Audacity of Hope"

 

"In the back and forth between Clinton and Gingrich, and in the elections of 2000 and 2004," he writes, "I sometimes felt as if I were watching the psychodrama of the baby boom generation — a tale rooted in old grudges and revenge plots hatched on a handful of college campuses long ago."

Some books say he is a late boomer and some books say he is an early Gen X’er, but the truth is that is is from a lesser known group born between 1954 and 1964 known as Generation Jones.

They are clearly different and as such we should try to understand what makes them tick.

Generation Jones members are clearly aware of the things that shaped Boomers Ideals, they also understand the mindset of The X Generation without judgment.

In demographic terms, Generation Jones was part of the baby boom  which ended in the early 1960s. However, the events stereotypically associated with the generational discussion of Boomers, including protests over civil rights and the Vietnam war and the emergence of rock music took place while the members of Generation Jones were still children or early teenagers. Thus the early life experience of this group was more similar, in many respects, to that commonly imputed to Generation X.

Naturally, the Boomers are leery of him because he is not a black/white right/left thinker and as such doesn’t play into their generational experience which to state in its simplest terms is "Are you for the Vietnam War or against it?"

Lets face it, Bill Clinton wasn't despised and demonized by the right for nothing. They saw him as a pot smoking, draft dodging, intellectual elite that had somehow risen to power and they were not having it.

On the other hand the left saw Bush as a guy who had skipped the war through his connections, then used more family connections to scrub his record. But this was the "way" many conservative families of the Boomer era did it. They felt that it wasn't their obligation to actually fight the war, they had "other obligations.

So that some Boomers, especially members of the media , opinion makesrs and the chattering class are cynical of Obama doesn't surprise me at all. He is a consensus builder. In fact you could in a way look at Jonesers as middle children. Having that Diplomatic touch in finding accord rather than fanning the fire. Joners are also both Idealistic and Pragmatic so it isn't that hard for them to see many sides of an argument and identify not only how “Their” side "wins" but how to make those "Wins" stick by not poking the other side in the eye with a stick of deep division.

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  •  He's both (2+ / 0-)

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    he is the last baby boomer president, but he is ushering in the era of Gen X leaders.

    •  Exactly. (0+ / 0-)

      Those of us in our mid to late 40s and early 50s are the product of both generations, almost equally influenced by boomer society and gen X.

      We are the transitional group.

      The apocalypse will require substantial revision of all zoning ordinances. - Zashvill Political compass -7.88 -7.03.

      by Heiuan on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 09:28:41 AM PDT

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  •  The baby boom was a measurable (6+ / 0-)

    phenomenon - a spike in the birth rate - that lasted for a little under 20 years: 1946 to 1964.  A generation is 20 years.  

    Tying date of birth to political and personal profile is journalistic poppycock that is no better than astrology.  It has the added disadvantage of finding new ways to pass judgment on whole groups of people.  

    •  It's debatable... (2+ / 0-)

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      Some put the end date at '64, where others put it at '60.  The people born during this time are sometimes called 'tweeners'.

      '[Obama] has treated us like adults throughout this primary, and it is time to act like adults.' - John Cole

      by RichM on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:31:19 AM PDT

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      •  It's still astrology, just based on the year (1+ / 0-)

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        rather than the month.

        Call them tweeners or x'ers or zappers or whatever you like.

        I hadn't seen the '60 date before.  The drop-off in '64 is much more pronounced.

        •  There's a BIT more to it than that... (0+ / 0-)

          in that people of an age group share a common culture that they grew up in that shifts over time and has aspects that are not common to earlier or younger generations.

          That that environment may have an effect on the philosophy and ideals of the group as a whole isn't that absurd a notion.

          This is the difference between that and astrology -- what's the difference between people born in early August and early July?  A month.

          I'm not Red-state, small-state, black, rich, volvo-driving, latte-drinking, birkenstock-wearing, or caucus-going. What's your excuse for how *I* voted?

          by Rorgg on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:39:34 AM PDT

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        •  Obama is the first Generation Jones candidate (0+ / 0-)

          Generational studies are not astrology...maybe you ought to actually study this topic before making ridiculous statements like this.  Get a few books about generations and you'll see that there is an enormous amount of strong documentable science behind these different generational categories.

          And if you get current books on generations, you'll see that Generation Jones is now getting equal treatment with the other generations.  No, it's not "call them tweeners or x'ers or zappers or whatever...", this group is called Generation Jones, and there are millions of people out there who are very glad that our long-lost generation finally has a name, and is being seen as a distinct cohort.

    •  Not the same as astrology (0+ / 0-)

      Monthly minor events tend to cycle; not so much with specific major events like WW2, Vietnam, JFK/MLK/RFK assassinations, technological innovations, etc.

      Zach W. Morris and John Slater McCain may have seemed like rivals...but they are two peas in a pod

      by BlueEngineerInOhio on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:58:27 AM PDT

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      •  None of which are limited to members of (0+ / 0-)

        a birth cohort, whether you measure a generation as 20 years, or 10 (as many here try to do).  WWII affected a lot of people.  It affected everyone alive at that time.

        The Vietnam war affected people born in 1945, and people born in 1965 -- neither of those falling within the Boom.  A captain on the ground in 1964 -- born in 1940 -- would have been affected by it one way.  A rich kid serving in the Texas Air National Guard, but born within the Boom itself, would be affected another.

        The division of the population into bite-sized chunks on superficial premises is misleading and destructive, especially when one then goes on to assign behavioral characteristics based on that.

        Anyone who experienced the Great Depression first hand went (or is still going) through their lives with different economic assumptions, true, but that has to do with what they experienced in their lives and how, not with their DOB.

    •  but (0+ / 0-)

      we are informed by the times and events that we live through and it becomes our reality

      i've got a vision... a world free of george w bush. yes!

      by titotitotito on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 09:07:59 AM PDT

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  •  The same generation includes... (0+ / 0-)

    ... many of our heroes, and many of our reviled wingnuts.

    "Generation" is a fiction.

    "Not only do I want an elite president,
    I want someone who's embarrassingly superior to me."
    -- Jon Stewart, 4/15/08

    by pat208 on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:26:35 AM PDT

  •  TIPS? (9+ / 0-)

    Looking forward to your input!

    Many nuggets of "conventional wisdom" aren't necessarily wise.

    by Seattlite on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:27:24 AM PDT

  •  I'm a Gen Jones? (4+ / 0-)

    I think not.

    I was born in '55 and this is the first time I've been told I'm not a boomer. My parents were in WWII; I'm a boomer.

    This is CLASS WAR, and the other side is winning.

    by Mr X on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:29:30 AM PDT

  •  Do you remember JFK? (1+ / 0-)

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    I'm just a few years younger than Obama - I just turned 43, so he's about three and a half years older than me.  Although some would put me in the baby boom, culturally I identify much more strongly with Gen X than Baby Boom.  I have far, far more in common with people ten years younger than me than I do with those ten years older.  

    I know my experience is shared by many late-boomers close to my age, to the point where I identify the cultural line as "Do you REMEMBER JFK's assassination?"  Being born under JFK isn't quite enough.  I doubt Obama is old enough to remember that national loss of innocence that so strongly marked the Baby Boomers.  

    By modern definitions, Jesus was a terrorist.

    by Leggy Starlitz on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:35:23 AM PDT

    •  I'm three years older than Obama (0+ / 0-)

      And I very much identify with the baby boom.

      Why?  

      I was the youngest in my family and grew up among much older people.  My grandmother was born in the 1880s, my oldest uncle in 1908, and my Dad in 1923.  My Dad fought in WWII and served through the middle part of Vietnam.  I grew up listening to music of the 50s and 60s.  I watched the protests of the 1960s on television.  I don't remember JFK's assassination but I remember watching his funeral on TV because I was home sick from school that day.  I remember when RFK and MLK were shot.  I remember watching the 1968 Democratic Convention.

      What group you identify with has a lot to do with what group you predominately associated with.  You associated with people younger than you.  I associated with older people.  

      •  well (1+ / 0-)

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        That makes you six or seven years older than me... baby boomer, for sure.  I wasn't even born until after JFK died, I don't remember RFK or MLK, I barely remember Vietnam.  My first real political awareness was Watergate, although I remember the 1972 election.

        I do, however, remember staying up with my Mom on friday nights to see the last season of Star Trek.  And I remember the first moon-walk.

        By modern definitions, Jesus was a terrorist.

        by Leggy Starlitz on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 09:03:44 AM PDT

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        •  By the Census Bureau's calculation (0+ / 0-)

          The Baby Boom generation ended in 1964 - six years after I was born.  So you're either a very late boomer or a very early Gen X'er.

          Vietnam was a huge factor throughout my school years - we bugged out of Saigon the spring of my junior year in high school.  I had friends whose dads were pilots that had been shot down and were POW or MIA.

          Do remember the bracelets?

          Some of my older brother's friends were in country.  I remember debating the war as an activity in class, as I assume (or at least would hope) kids are doing today in school.

          •  Proud that Barack is one of us GenJonesers (0+ / 0-)

            The Census Bureau does not determine generational boundaries!  Those are determined by experts--sociologists, demographers, anthropologists, etc.  The Census Bureau merely notes that there was a demographic boom in births between 1946-1964.  But generations stem from historical events which create in people at a young age attitudes, values, etc. which stay with people as they age.  Generations have nothing to do with birth rates!

            There is clearly a distinct generation between the Boomers and Xers, and many of us Jonesers are proud to have Obama as a fellow member of Generation Jones.

  •  I guess it's (2+ / 0-)

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    arguable that Obama is a Gen-Xer (I'm smack in the middle of that demo, and so I claim him as one, but it's arguable)

    But I will object to the characterization of Gen-Xers as cynical slackers. That was the label stuck on us when we were the same age as the "Woodstock generation" was when they got that label slapped on them. The fact is that any group of 20-somethings will be interesting, and somewhat glamorous, but not likely to have their act entirely together.

    Fair to say that Gen-Xers are now pretty much in our 30s or early 40s. If 30-somethings were all cynical slackers, I suspect that would be quite noticeable in some sort of societal or economic effect. We are now in the demo that is likely to be buying houses for the first time, and have small children, and as far as I can tell, we're not remarkably different in those respects from the generations ahead of us. I'm not sure there is any one accurate way to characterize us anymore.

    But maybe that's all there is to it. We did not have a major trauma (like World War II or Vietnam) in our youth. So while we weren't forged by such a thing, we weren't scarred either. We're a little more free to be what we want to be.

    Barack Obama will only become president if enough people pay attention, so pay attention, dammit!

    by JMS on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:35:56 AM PDT

    •  small children? (0+ / 0-)

      I'm early Gen-X, and I have friends my age who are grandparents. :}  Not that outlandish for those in their early 40s.

      By modern definitions, Jesus was a terrorist.

      by Leggy Starlitz on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:38:27 AM PDT

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      •  I suspect they aren't (0+ / 0-)

        very many of those, though--(genX grandparents? who woulda thunk) For the GenXers who have already had children, I suspect the vast majority range from teenagers through infants (remember that some genXers are still in their early 30s)

        Barack Obama will only become president if enough people pay attention, so pay attention, dammit!

        by JMS on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:41:45 AM PDT

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        •  yeah (0+ / 0-)

          My kids are almost 14 now... but my wife is six years younger than me.  When she's my age, she'll be older than HER boomer mother was when SHE became a grandmother.

          Most people think of Gen-X as younger than me, I suppose.  I was born the same day as Dr Dre.

          By modern definitions, Jesus was a terrorist.

          by Leggy Starlitz on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:44:13 AM PDT

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        •  I'm right on the X/Y bubble (1983) (0+ / 0-)

          On the "young grandparents" topic, LeBron's mom became a grandma when she was like 35...heh.

          Zach W. Morris and John Slater McCain may have seemed like rivals...but they are two peas in a pod

          by BlueEngineerInOhio on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 09:01:35 AM PDT

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      •  Well, I'm on the other end (0+ / 0-)

        36 and I have a little one.  But, yeah, the parent post has it right.  Obama's not a slacker?  Yeah, not now, but when he was 17?  Sounds like he was a bright guy who was sliding along and having a good time.

        And, like most of us, he then got his act together and started contributing (err... but on a bigger scale).

        I'm not Red-state, small-state, black, rich, volvo-driving, latte-drinking, birkenstock-wearing, or caucus-going. What's your excuse for how *I* voted?

        by Rorgg on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:42:01 AM PDT

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        •  I dunno, you have to have your (0+ / 0-)

          stuff together pretty well to get into Columbia even as a transfer student, or Occidental the first time around (its SAT average is in the 1300s on the 1600 scale, and from what I heard used to be much higher.)

          There are people who can seem to "slide along" socially and still get excellent grades, have lots of extracurriculars/sports/etc.

          Zach W. Morris and John Slater McCain may have seemed like rivals...but they are two peas in a pod

          by BlueEngineerInOhio on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 09:03:29 AM PDT

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    •  I'm 100% GenX as well (0+ / 0-)

      At least in time/demographics. (b. 1971)

      But all the "lazy Gen X" stuff is so 1991.

      We're in good company.  It seems every up and coming generation is derided as being slackers by the one before it, until that generation takes over and becomes the old fogies, and look at the slacking generation coming behind them.

      But as I write this about Obama (b. 1961) on an MacBook Pro (Steve Jobs b. 1955), on DailyKos (Kos b. 1971), I feel like my generation has done pretty well for itself.

      Peace.

      "In war: resolution. In defeat: defiance. In victory: magnanimity. In peace: goodwill." - Churchill

      by William S Martin on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:42:58 AM PDT

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  •  I'm in that group (45), and I'm happy to not be (3+ / 0-)

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    labeled a boomer, but Generation Jones?  Doesn't have much of a ring to it ...

    This space for rent.

    by bherner on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:39:31 AM PDT

  •  Generational "Icons" (2+ / 0-)

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    are often not literally members of the generation they're associated with, but capture the spirit of those younger than them --

    which is why JFK, RFK, MLK are forever linked in the historical mind with the Baby Boom generation, even though all three were born well before 1945.

    In the same way, I think it's fair to say that -- purely in a "cultural aesthetic" sense -- Obama is tapping into something in the rising tide of Gen X'ers in their 30s-40s and, even more so, Gen Y'ers in their 20s who are coming of age and ready to push the Baby Boomers off the cultural stage which they've dominated for so long.

  •  I find these diaries and comments (1+ / 0-)

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    ...trying to make Obama out to be something other than a baby boomer tiresome.  The baby boomer generation -- 18 years in length -- lasted from 1946 to 1964, if you bother to read how the US Census Bureau defines it.  This is actually shorter than the typical definition of the length of a generation (25 years).  I think it is ridiculous to invent another "generation" that makes it even shorter.

    Sorry, but I don't think "the truth is" that the baby boom generation somehow was some hyper-shortened generation lasting only 8 years, from 1946 to 1954.  How can 8 years be a generation?  That's nuts.

    There is quite a bit of hostility against baby boomers by some younger Daily Kos members and in society in general.  I don't know what this hostility is rooted in, but I have to wonder if part of it is misdirected anger against one's own parents.  

    If nominated and elected, Obama may or may not be the last US President born during the baby boom.  I suspect he wouldn't be: probably his successor would, but that's just a guess.

    •  Well there are differences (0+ / 0-)

      Between the experience of older boomers and the later ones.

      All the wonderful things that were apparently served up on a platter to older boomers didn't come to many of us younger ones.  In that sense our experiences are more similar to Gen Xers.

      I don't know if you can really make sweeping assertions about a "generation" if it covers 25 years.  I can see how it works in biology just not in economics or demographics.

      Also I agree with what you wrote elsewhere on this thread that it depends upon who you hung out with.  My husband is 10 years older than me and a boomer with counter culture, punk rock and all that.  His sister, just 16 months older, is almost of a different generation in her experiences and worldview.
      Her kids were born in the early to mid 70s, mine in the late 80s/90.  All of that changes how you look at the world.

      The Next Agenda "For Progressive Canadian Politics"

      by Bionic on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 09:53:37 AM PDT

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  •  I look at the age group in question (0+ / 0-)

    ...as the little brothers and sisters of the boomers. Perhaps because my youngest sister and brother are both in this group. In addition, my youngest sister is married to a classmate of Obama. ;~}

  •  speaking of cultural markers (0+ / 0-)

    My own children were seven the day we spent huddled around the television, watching the World Trade Center collapse and burn.  It will be to them what JFK's assassination was to the Boomers.

    My daughter will be old enough to vote in 2012.  She wants to cast her first ballot to re-elect President Obama.

    By modern definitions, Jesus was a terrorist.

    by Leggy Starlitz on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:47:32 AM PDT

  •  The Only Reason Boomers Were Leery Was He Told Us (1+ / 0-)

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    that we'd been half the reason the country "is" so divisive, that half a lifetime of scrambling to at least slow malicious conquest of America's entire way of life somehow made us part of the problem.

    Once he refined that message enough that the victims didn't feel blamed, and that he wasn't going to be an feel-better version of DLC surrenderism, he's been winning us over.

    It really had little to do with this largely imaginary argument over whether society is now beyond "left" and "right."

    Are the rich undertaxed? Yes. Are Americans woefully underserved by social safety net? Yes. Is the American economy beating the crap out of most Americans? Yes. Obama's positions are these and more.

    Classic left, heck, it's classic FDR.

    The real deal here is not so much the left-right of issues but more how to engage people politically and how to neuter the message and attacks of the right.

    We've never seen the latter done since the Republican Revolution began. We haven't had Democratic figures personally competent to do it for a generation now. And before that, the information market over the past lifetime would never have sustained the insanity of today's right.

    More and more of us of the classic boomer ilk are feeling that it's about damned time we got some reinforcements in this lifetime of struggle we've been in since we were kids. I don't think the debate over whether Obama is "Boomer Enough" is going to be very important long term.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 08:54:39 AM PDT

  •  I think you mean (1+ / 0-)

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    the right here:

    Lets face it, Bill Clinton wasn't despised and demonized by the left for nothing. They saw him as a pot smoking, draft dodging, intellectual elite that had somehow risen to power and they were not having it.

    Well, I fall in those years and never heard of 'generation jones'.  Never felt like a boomer or an xer, so I guess the description kind of fits me.  I'd rather refer to us as the Dick generation - after the movie Dick that perfectly portrayed the time and place of my pre-adolescence (right down to 'Love American Style' playing on the tv in one scene.)

  •  It's the Hanna-Barbera Generation! (0+ / 0-)

    Go Jetsons!  ;o)

    I have the distinction of being called a media whore by Courtney Love. -Maynard J. Keenan

    by arielle on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 09:13:57 AM PDT

  •  As a Joneser (0+ / 0-)

    This makes a lot of sense to me.

  •  My daughter clearly is a Boomer. (0+ / 0-)

    She was born in 62.  My son, born in 64, not so much.  Strange what a difference 2 years can make in one's outlook.

    The ignorance of one voter in a democracy impairs the security of all - JFK- 5/18/63-Vanderbilt Univ.

    by oibme on Fri Feb 22, 2008 at 09:57:27 AM PDT

  •  Of course Obama is part of Generation Jones (1+ / 0-)

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    For those of us who study generational science in a serious way, it is obvious that Obama is a Joneser.

    As the New York Times wrote this week, someone like Obama, born in '61, has three "choices" in terms of what generation he is part of: Baby Boomers, Generation Jones, or Generation X.

    He's clearly not a Boomer; his own Mom was a Boomer, he was not a part of any othose classic Boomer formative experiences, etc.

    He's clearly not a GenXer; when you look at the classic GenX personality traits and then compare those traits with Obama's, it becomes obvious that he's not an Xer.  he certainly doesn't possess the typical cynicism, alientation, etc. we associate with Xers--"The Audacity of Hope" is the opposite of the kind of book title we'd expect from an Xer.   Nor has he adopted the Xer lifestyle and fashion choices--this is not a guy who has piercings, tatoos, etc.

    He is clearly a GenJoneser; across the board, he fits this generational archetype.  This shouldn't be a surprise, since he is almost exactly in the middle of the GenJones birth years, and typically those toward the middle of a generation most personify that generation (he would be at the end of the Boomer, or beginning of the Xer, birth years).

    When you study Obama's bio, and his political stances and orientation, it shouts the classic "practical idealism", compromising, mediating GenJones personality.  The comment above looking at Jonesers as middle children hits the nail on the head, and numerous experts have used this metaphor in describing Jonesers.

    Those who question the truth of generations miss an important part of the equation.  We humans are clearly affected by formative experiences that later inform our consumer, cultural and political behavior.  There is tons of strong evidence for this in the social science literature.  And those who mistakenly label Obama a Boomer or Xer also miss an important part of the equation.  He is GenJones, and that will matter more and more as this election season goes on.

  •  I completely agree...Obama is of Generation Jones (1+ / 0-)

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    Yes, I couldn't agree more...Barack is obviously not a Baby Boomer nor is he a Gen X'er...this guy is about as Generation Jones as it gets.  Newsweek had a column last week (by Jonathan Alter) which argued that Obama is definitely a member of Generation Jones, and that this matters in this election cycle.

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