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A Political Discussion in Black and White w/ Poll

Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 11:09:25 AM PDT

A little information first, to set the scene.

The Northwest corner of Indiana, once a booming steel-making hub, is now an economically depressed region with no immediate prospects of decent renewal. The neighborhood in which I work, is a racially mixed area. It's located at the nexus of working poor black, white, and hispanic communities. This is a prime location for the payday loan store where I'm employed. (And, yes, I do bemoan the fact that it's a growing industry and the apparent necessity of their services mostly due to our economy. But, that's another diary...) The reason I point this out is to highlight the broad cross-section of folks I get to interact with on a daily basis and, more specifically, how I came in contact with 'Mr. Casey'. [ed - name changed for confidentiality purposes]

Details over the fold.

Mr. Casey is the manager of exclusive club situated in one of our local casino boats. His work brings him in contact with folks from all walks of life and various ethnic backgrounds, although the economic bracket of his clients is probably in the top 10%. (Michael Jordan is a member, fer cryin' out loud!) It was this similarity in our work lives that prompted some small talk about dealing with the public and which morphed into the political realm. (He mentioned quite a few well-known politicians are members, too.)

He asked 'So, who are you voting for?'.  Mind you, I won't start a political discussion with a customer, but I will respond.  

He said he was impressed with Hillary's experience and thinks Barack is running too soon.  I'm impressed with Barack's credentials as a Constitutional professor and community organizer (for starters).  

We engaged in some back-n-forth on various policies w/agreement we'd vote for whoever the Nominee is in November.  He, not being as firmly pro-Clinton as I seem to be pro-Obama, appeared to hesitate in his choice when I explained that I wasn't too keen on 8 years of Bush, followed by 8 years Clinton, 8 horrible years of another Bush...  do we really want possibly 8 MORE years of another Clinton?  I could see the 'gears' turning.  He admittedly hadn't thought of that aspect and would consider it!  

Oh, and as to what made this conversation so very interesting?  See, the Hillary supporter is a black man and this Barack supporter is a white woman!  So much for demographics, eh?  Regardless, I just thought it was encouraging that we were able to have a civil discussion about some very volatile topics and part with a better understanding of the other persons perspectives and cultures.  That's progress!

As a final parting gift, I slipped him the website addy for the WexlerWantsHearings Petition to share with all his contacts at the Club.  I'm pleased to say he left with a twinkle in his eye and a bounce in his step!

Poll

What is your basis for choosing a Candidate?

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Tags: Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Presidential Race, Democrat, Vote, Impeachment, Robert Wexler, 2008 elections, president (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  Tips for open, honest conversations (3+ / 0-)

    and reaching out to our neighbors - whoever they might be!

    http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com Spread the word! (-5.00/-5.64)

    by HoosierDeb on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 11:10:08 AM PDT

  •  I'd add judgment, but I suppose that and voting (1+ / 0-)

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    record are entertwined.

    What I like most about Obama is that he consistently exercises cool-headed, even-handed judgment, which, of course, is borne out by his voting record (hence my vote here) and the successes of his campaign.

    I'm sick and tired of knowing that my current President goes to bed every night praying for the answers to the nation's problems... shudder... I am craving a rational, scientific president.

  •  Outside of Lake County - Obama = lost (2+ / 0-)

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    IndianaDemocrat, HoosierDeb

    Only the City of Gary will vote for Obama in NW Indiana.

    Gary is in Lake County. The rest of NW Indiana - Porter, La Porte, St. Joesph, Stark, White, etc, - is solid conservative democrat.

    •  If You Live In NWI, You ALREADY Know The Answer (1+ / 0-)

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      RACE will be a huge component in November, whether we like it or not....

    •  Bunch of losers (1+ / 0-)

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      So we have to write off the losers of Indiana and concentrate on sensible voters. Pandering to "conservative" democrats would be foolhardy. America wants what progressives have on offer, we just need to do a better job of selling our product. A much better job.

      Don't you think John McCain looks tired?

      by MakeChessNotWar on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:40:08 PM PDT

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      •  Our US Rep in District 1 is Pete Visclosky. (0+ / 0-)

        I used to be a supporter, but he's gone BushDog on us.  I'm betting he (or more likely, his staff) roll their eyes everytime they hear from me.  I wish there was a strong progressive to run against him.  I'd volunteer in a heartbeat.  

        In the meantime, I'm doing what I can to work for a Presidency that shows folks what it looks like when we work together instead of tearing each other apart.  

        http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com Spread the word! (-5.00/-5.64)

        by HoosierDeb on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 03:03:50 PM PDT

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  •  Unfortunately, Rudy Clay is (0+ / 0-)

    the head of the Democratic Party in the Region.  His performance as Gary's mayor is abysmal.  

    I am, however, hoping that the news coverage spill-over from Chicago will help increase Obama's visibility (an viability) as the better choice for Regionites.
    There's a vast rumbling under the surface from folks who are flat out fed up with the status quo - even here.  

    http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com Spread the word! (-5.00/-5.64)

    by HoosierDeb on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 11:51:24 AM PDT

  •  Some folks don't realize the depth of love for (1+ / 0-)

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    Bill Clinton in the black community...until South Carolina. And many people I talk to don't even know how deep it went, in terms of everything Bill said. Until I tell them ;-)

    •  Honestly, I'd never thought about it before (1+ / 0-)

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      the conversation with this gentleman. I'll be seeing him again in a few weeks.  If the opportunity presents itself, I'm sure the discussion will continue.  I'm looking forward to that!

      http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com Spread the word! (-5.00/-5.64)

      by HoosierDeb on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:01:31 PM PDT

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      •  a lot of older black people are talking about (1+ / 0-)

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        Bill talking "in code". Talking in code is talking around race rather than about it, but still communicating bullshit. For instance the way the PA governor (Rendell?) said his state has a lot of conservative whites who "aren't ready" to vote for a black man. Many black people see that as a coded way of communicating to PA voters that it's okay to feel that way, and implicitly encouraging those folks to vote with their racism.

        •  Gotcha! The 'states right's' crowd. (1+ / 0-)

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          mama hearts obama

          Plenty of those in this historically conservative state.  Hell, Indiana was homebase for the KKK at one time.  (Not that I'm saying Bill is a member, mind you.)  Wouldn't surprise me one bit if those ol' boys are just quieter about it now.  I can only hope that the outpouring of interest by the younger voters will offset the redneck vote.  

          http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com Spread the word! (-5.00/-5.64)

          by HoosierDeb on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:35:29 PM PDT

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          •  it is scary when thinking about the hardcore (1+ / 0-)

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            racists, but honestly, most in the black community (people I talk to anyway) are absolutely, totally, and completely shocked that Obama is being embraced by so many white people. That fact alone is having an impact on race relations and that's before Obama steps one foot in the White House. That gives me hope, even for the hardcore racists.

            Chris Rock does a stand-up piece about having a black president (Dave Chappelle has one too), and he says what many black people felt: "you know how people say 'never say never', well when it comes to America having a black president, I'm saying never."

            And here we are, about to have a black president.

            •  Thanks for adding this. (1+ / 0-)

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              mama hearts obama

              These are the kinds of things the different cultures need to know about each other.  Taking the dialogue beyond the same old accusations (from all sides) & recognizing that change is truly possible.  

              http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com Spread the word! (-5.00/-5.64)

              by HoosierDeb on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 12:51:31 PM PDT

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              •  absolutely. Why I love your diary (1+ / 0-)

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                I've been wanting to have these kinds of conversations since I recently registered with DailyKos. But it seems that when the word 'race' is mentioned, everything goes to hell. The willingness and ability to hear...somehow disappears. That lets me know how much pain there is around the topic -- on all sides.

                I can't begin to explain how good I feel, and how happy it makes me to see so many white people supporting Obama, and working so hard to promote his candidacy. I really didn't expect to see that in my lifetime (I'm 46.)

  •  policy , backed by voting record. n/t (1+ / 0-)

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  •  I was telling the collage kids that (1+ / 0-)

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    if Bush was elected gas would go over three dollars a gallon; just like his father. He got to pay back Texas oil. I look to whose financing there campaign.

  •  Equating Clinton with Bush... (0+ / 0-)

    Places you firmly in the camp of low-information voters, or disingenuous hate mongerers.

    Take your pick.

    We said we want change, and they gave us a handful.

    by MouseOfSuburbia on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 01:59:35 PM PDT

    •  I'm referring to dynastic political reigns.... (0+ / 0-)

      We had that with the Roosevelts and Kennedys (not fully achieved, but not for lack of trying), too.  In this case, there's too much baggage between the Bushes and the Clintons to get past before we'd be able to focus on real issues.  With the media we have today, it would be one non-stop drama after another.  More of the same.

      Well, I've had enough of the petty crap and greedy manipulators to last six lifetimes.  Obama is our chance for US to "write the next chapter" of our history.  And if you'd rather sling insults, feel free to waste your breath.

      I've got more important things to spend my energy on.  You could, too.

      http://www.wexlerwantshearings.com Spread the word! (-5.00/-5.64)

      by HoosierDeb on Sun Feb 24, 2008 at 02:59:30 PM PDT

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