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Obama Baffles The Washington Post

Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:11:50 PM PDT

The lead editorial in Sunday’s Washington Post is called The Obama Enigma.  Echoing a column by David Ignatius last week called The Obama Mystery, the editorial complains that Obama has failed in his duty to label himself  according to the conventions of our current politics.

When the Illinois Democrat talks about bringing together red and blue America, does he mean that he will persuade the red (Republican) part to come around to blue (Democratic) policies -- or does he mean that he will forge a new, centrist answer that will bridge the red-blue divide? Is he a liberal at heart who tacks occasionally to the center or more of a centrist capable of suppressing leftist instincts when political circumstances demand?

Here we see Fred Hiatt and the rest of the Post’s editorial board – the high priests of acceptable DC opinion, the wise men who endorsed Clinton’s impeachment and Bush’s war – working hard to assimilate new information.

Join me after the jump for a look at how their musings can help us understand Obama’s politics from a more progressive point of view.

In the paragraph quoted above, Hiatt and Company remind me of the Bushmen in The Gods Must Be Crazy, trying to make sense of the glass Coke bottle that has fallen from the sky. They regard it first as a pestle and then as a club and finally as a punishment from the gods. Just so, the editors of the Post test their ready-made labels on a political figure who defies them.

As progressives,  we do not necessarily understand Obama any better. His politics are new to us, too, and I have read many comments on Daily Kos that, in praise or blame, attempt to stuff Obama in similar pigeon holes.  Let’s look closely at the pigeon holes that the editorial offers, in an effort to move beyond them.

In Pigeon Hole One, we have a Democrat who will unify the country by

persuad[ing] the red (Republican) part to come around to blue (Democratic) policies

This is the George W. Bush strategy, in which bipartisanship happens when one side capitulates utterly. This is the style of bipartisanship that Grover Norquist called "date rape."  It’s an appealing prospect, at first, to partisans like me, who chose Obama over Edwards in part because his capacity to defuse the opposition makes him a more plausible change agent. But it’s an ultimately limited and unsatisfying view, stuck in the divisive politics of the Clinton and Bush years. Progressive can’t win by beating Bush and Rove at their own game.  We have to change the paradigm.

In Pigeon Hole Two, the Post imagines Obama as a conciliatory figure who will

forge a new, centrist answer that will bridge the red-blue divide

Hiatt here is not hoping that Obama will be a transformative figure like FDR or (in reverse) Ronald Reagan. Rather, like David Broder, Hiatt is dreaming of an establishment stooge like Michael Bloomberg. To imagine a "centrist" leader who can "bridge the red-blue divide" is to invoke The Unity Project, which seeks unity in the interests of the status quo. A "new, centrist answer" solves the problems of the wealthiest Americans who did well under Bush but are, at the moment, freaked out by war, incompetence and Jesusism. It’s a false synthesis. There currently is no articulated "centrist" agenda and no real "centrist" constituency.

(More and more Americans, dissatisfied with both parties, are registering as "independents";  but "centrists" are found most often on Meet the Press or in David Broder’s living room.)

Finally, let’s have a look at Pigeon Hole Three, the home of the Clintons:

Is he a liberal at heart who tacks occasionally to the center or more of a centrist capable of suppressing leftist instincts when political circumstances demand?

Here are the two poles of received opinion about Bill and Hillary.  They are either liberal sell-outs or champions of the establishment who know how to pander. As in the other two Pigeon Holes, there is no potential for authentic change.  The tired continuum of left, right and center is fixed, static, hopeless.  All we can do is "tack" this way or that in the poisoned sea of our current politics.

So that’s it.  That’s all the possibilities the Post can muster.  A leader can either be like Bush, like Clinton or (if we allow ourselves to dream) like Michael Fucking Bloomberg.

And yet the editorial, in it’s own way, is open to change.

For one thing, the editorial’s narrow range of choices allows us to see a fourth choice, beyond the tired Pigeon Holes, that Hiatt et al can’t afford to imagine.  Obama will be a transformational leader who breaks the spell that movement conservatism has had on our politics.

Obama does not have to persuade Red America to support Blue America policies, because strong majorities of all Americans, in every region, already support supposedly "leftist" policies like universal health insurance, sensible regulation and a working safety net (cf  Thomas Frank and Paul Krugman). Obama does not have to become a centrist, nor does he have to tack this way and that, avoiding the whirlpool of  Fox News and the rocks of Move On. No, to be a transformational leader, Obama just has to move the nation beyond the ideological impasse created by Newt, Grover, Ralph, Karl and the rest of the movement conservatives.  

In short, the only way to truly  "bridge the red-blue divide" is to recognize that the divide is a fiction, fostered by elite conservatives who exploit cultural division (God, Guns and Gays) to serve their economic interests. Obama has been working for such recognition since he first spoke to a national audience, at the 2004 convention. He called for us to rise above "pundits" who "like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States." In other words, pundits exactly like the editorial board of the Washington Post.

Which makes it even more amazing that Hiatt seems to like the junior Senator from Illinois.  At least, the editorial does not fight very hard for the old order, or for the pathetic dream of a Bloomsbergian future.  Rather, the editorial takes a puzzled, cautious tone.  It chides Obama for refusing to vote with the Blue Dogs on FISA and for adopting an "orthodox liberal" campaign platform. But it applauds his thoughtfulness, complexity and willingness to confront audiences (including the screaming hordes here at Daily Kos) with ideas the audience might not like to hear.

The editorial ends with a whimper, wondering meekly whether "voters understand where, exactly [Obama] would like to lead them."

None of us really know, probably not even Obama himself, exactly where an Obama presidency will go.  But it appears that even Fred Hiatt hopes Obama will lead us beyond the toxic politics the he and his colleagues did so much to create.

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    •  A tip for "The Gods Must Be Crazy"! (18+ / 0-)

      Barack Obama - I'll never see the threat of terrorism as a way to scare up votes, it's a threat that should rally this country against our common enemies

      by madgranny on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:26:39 PM PDT

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    •  the answer: the Keatsian gray zone! (10+ / 0-)

      "Keatsian negative capability" is the ability to doubt one's own preferred hypothesis and comfortably handle the "gray zone" of uncertainty rather than seeking binary (black/white) answers.

      Obama's got it, it's a rare talent, it's essential for dealing with an uncertain world and an uncertain future, and it's what ultimately convinced me to vote for him.  

      And now we see the "binary thinking" people all getting puzzled because they can't put him into a neat little box.  Now they're going to have to start thinking hard for a change!

      Seems to me that this gives us a major advantage.  What we need to do is find diplomatic ways of suggesting to the binary thinkers that they need to take off their blinkers.  

      One way to put it might be, this is a guy who really listens and pays attention to what he hears, and the proof is that what he has to say does not fit into neat little boxes.  If you're used to expecting that politicians always spout platitudes and easy answers, that time is over, and it's now time for the media and the rest of us to really listen and really pay attention and really think about what we hear.  

      Encourage a sense of curiosity.  Curiosity is a huge emotional attractor, and it is one of the most subversive forces there is.  Curiosity about nature leads to scientific method, curiosity about theology leads to reflection, curiosity in our civic life leads to questioning platitudes and questioning authority and not being satisfied with easy answers and being willing to try something that no one ever thought of before.  Curiosity overcomes fear, and thus it's an emotional meme that will break us out of the politics of fear and the willingness to "trade essential liberties for temporary security."  And if someone tells you "curiosity killed the cat," remind them that "this cat has nine lives."

      •  IMO one of the most (6+ / 0-)

        telling traits of intelligence is the ability to embrace dichotomy.

        Obama not only embraces dichotomy (good school but parents have to be responsible about their kid's education too), he embodies it.  His panel of advisors demonstrates his comfort with dichotomy, even if it makes some progressives nervous.

        I'm sure Hillary Clinton is an extremely intelligent person, but Barack Obama is breathtakingly extraordinary.

        Never get the mothers too angry.

        by pvlb on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:44:33 PM PDT

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      •  Antithesis of Dubya (1+ / 0-)

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        Great point about the attractiveness of Obama's curiosity.  The least curious president in recent history perhaps opens the window for his opposite.  America has seen how unattractive blind certainty can be.

        Dubya has, like, double negative capability;  ie no complex thought whatsoever.

        You can't be deep without a surface - Jonathan Lethem

        by dcdanny on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:10:28 PM PDT

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  •  You forgot... (19+ / 0-)

    ...to put "He's not a pandering POS" as a poll choice...

    Abortions for some, miniature American flags for others.

    by Aqualad08 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:14:03 PM PDT

  •  WP is baffled by Obama (21+ / 0-)

    because as we all know Obama is NOT the most liberal senator in the Senate.  That label was dreamed up by Republicans to try to bash Obama in the general election.

    I think that overall Obama is progressive but he does have some centrist views which is perfectly fine.

    I am have both liberal and moderate views on things.

    Obama: "Because We Won... We Have to Win." 6/6/08

    by Drdemocrat on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:15:40 PM PDT

    •  thank you! (7+ / 0-)

      I am so irritated when people keep repeating the nonsense that he is 'the most liberal' senator!

    •  Isn't he like a new type of libertarian? (1+ / 0-)

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      Social libertarian or something?

      The definition of insanity is voting the same way and expecting a different result. I'm talking to you FL,OH, KY, WV!

      by Shhs on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:24:55 PM PDT

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      •  progressive libertarians: see Kos' diaries... (6+ / 0-)

        ..on this subject a year or two ago, keyword search Libertarian Democrat.

        The key difference is:

        Republican libertarians, conservative libertarians, believe that only government has truly coercive power over individuals and thus must be limited and subjected to checks and balances.

        Democratic libertarians, progressive libertarians, believe that other types of entities and institutions (e.g. large corporations) can also accumulate de-facto coervice power over individuals, and thus they must also be limited and subjected to checks and balances.

        One shorthand way to put it is, "similar to liberals on a number of issues, but opposed to the nanny state."  

        I don't have any solid reason to believe that Obama himself is a libertarian Democrat, but if you understand the distinction, you have a basis to evaluate his positions for yourself.  

        •  I love this comment. (3+ / 0-)

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          Coupled with the extensive history of Progressivism as a political and ideological movement, this is a great example of how philosophical differences in politics are far more complex than red vs. blue, left vs. right, or Democrat vs. Republican.

          Over the course of our political history, different ways in which the major parties have held power have led to the current system of collusion.  As a result our country has become politically divided along a single continuum from "left" to "right".  But there are far more dimensions to philosophical ideologies than what left vs. right has to offer on the surface.

          Some change in this point of view has occurred with the "political spectrum", the popular bi-directional map of a person's political philosophy.  But even this method of describing someone on the social left and right, as well as on the economic left and right is far too simplistic.  There must be some latent variables in this equation that we have yet to describe.  

          I think that Barack Obama has tapped into one of these latent variables. Some general idea that the way we think about our political views is fundamentally flawed.  This was what he was referring to in his famous "Yes We Can" speech.  Now, though, the general population is starting to "get it".  They're starting to make the connection - as a populace - that there is a whole other way of describing our philosophies.  

          And this comes back to the basic idea of this diary, and of the Washington Post having a hard time figuring this all out. It's because they're looking in the all the wrong places.  

          I think, therefore I'm liberal

          by ScienceRocks on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:08:33 PM PDT

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          •  The hot/cold axis (2+ / 0-)

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            Interesting.  I've often thought that people, pundits especially, often assume that certain kinds of emotion have to go with certain kinds of politics. They map an emotional axis onto the ideological axis.

            Passion is equated with the political extremes, especially the left.  So Dean was called a crazy liberal even though his policies were moderate.

            Bush passed for a moderate because, emotionally, he is cool.

            This confusion helps Obama, I think.  Independents who would not agree with his policies respond well to the evenness of his emotional presentation.

            You can't be deep without a surface - Jonathan Lethem

            by dcdanny on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:22:48 PM PDT

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  •  Obama's genius: timing (11+ / 0-)

    When everyone with half a brain is disgusted with the current administration all you have to do is say "change".  Who can argue with change?  Who can say, "No, I don't want change, I like things the way they are.  I like war, torture, deficits, drowning cities, earmarks, yada yada yada."?

  •  WaPo only understands sellouts! (9+ / 0-)

    That's their business.  Their audience are the lobbyists that Go-Bama won't take money from.  Those who pay their bills by keeping the status quo.

  •  I like the fact that we can't pin a label on him. (19+ / 0-)

    Some people are uncomfortable with this but I'm okay not knowing every single thing going on in Obama's head.

    Here you are with a handful of holes, a thumb up your ass and a big grin to pass the time of day with. - The Wild Bunch

    by jazzence on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:18:48 PM PDT

  •  Color wars are for kids at summer camp. (4+ / 0-)

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    We've got a country to run. Vote Obama!

    I was a Republican until they lost their minds, The word 'conservative' means 'discriminatory,' ... It's a form of political discrimination. --- Charles Barkley

    by Kimball Cross on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:21:50 PM PDT

  •  Love love TGMBC reference. (4+ / 0-)

    :)

  •  the divide IS fiction n/t (2+ / 0-)

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    truth, kindness, endurance, Obama '08

    by CupofTea on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:22:58 PM PDT

  •  Although... (2+ / 0-)

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    I must say that ever since the extreme elite conservatives stole power, more and more people seem to think that this is the core of the Republican message... and agree with it!

    I'm speaking mostly of people around my age (20), who grew up and came of age under the Bush v.2 presidency.  I've only known under a year of a president that wasn't a Bush or a Clinton--I never KNEW Reagan.

    And as a result, I see many people my age identify with the Republican party on the very basis of this division.  They really believe that they're being Republican/conservative when they give the government more power to monitor us, increase spending because of a war, push the government to endorse religion, etc.

    That's the really scary part: The longer this division is present in America, the more it becomes true.

    Can you smell what Barack is cooking?!

    by Crayola on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:24:07 PM PDT

  •  One excellent piece (9+ / 0-)

    on what is going on from The American Prospect:

    The "Theory of Change" Primary

    Hope and bipartisanship are not things that Obama naively believes are present and possible -- they are a tactic, a method of subverting and breaking the unified conservative power structure.

    http://www.prospect.org//cs/articles...

    Hiatt and Co. don't understand Obama because they don't want to learn ... fear/denial.

    Against silence, which is slavery. -- Czeslaw Milosz

    by Caneel on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:25:00 PM PDT

    •  Mark Schmitt "gets it" (5+ / 0-)

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      I wish I could rec your comment ten times. Schmitt sums up Obama's strategy well.

      What I find fascinating about his language about unity and cross-partisanship is that it is not premised on finding Republicans who agree with him, but on taking in good faith the language and positions of actual conservatism -- people who don't agree with him. That's very different from the longed-for consensus of the Washington Post editorial page.

      The reason the conservative power structure has been so dangerous, and is especially dangerous in opposition, is that it can operate almost entirely on bad faith. It thrives on protest, complaint, fear: higher taxes, you won't be able to choose your doctor, liberals coddle terrorists, etc. One way to deal with that kind of bad-faith opposition is to draw the person in, treat them as if they were operating in good faith, and draw them into a conversation about how they actually would solve the problem. If they have nothing, it shows. And that's not a tactic of bipartisan Washington idealists -- it's a hard-nosed tactic of community organizers, who are acutely aware of power and conflict. It's how you deal with people with intractable demands -- put ‘em on a committee. Then define the committee's mission your way.

      Community organizers know how powerful transparency and having large numbers of energized voters on your side is. That's why Obama is so relentless in pounding on the themes of bottom up "we" and transparency. Obama is laying the foundation of the energized support he needs to pass legislation with his grass roots ground game and campaign rhetoric.

      McCain says overturn Roe v. Wade.

      by peraspera on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:52:11 PM PDT

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      •  Perhaps it came from reading Alinsky (4+ / 0-)

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        so many decades ago, though I remember very little but one can absorb a mindset. I was seeing Obama's working toward empowerment.

        When critics bemoan lack of substance, there is so much they are not seeing, and as I noted above, not learning.

        Fine, fine article, isn't it? I've e-mailed it around and posted the link in diary comments many, many times. Join me in spreading this around.

        Against silence, which is slavery. -- Czeslaw Milosz

        by Caneel on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:07:28 PM PDT

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      •  I love that article. (4+ / 0-)

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        Another thing I'd say about his overall approach is he is a candidate of the experts and professionals. By that I mean that, among people who really sit down and deal with any particular problem, the answers you come up with don't always fit into the categories of right-vs-left color wars politics. Leftists tend to take their positions from academia, so the academy is perceived as being left-leaning, but there are deviations from this pattern, and Obama's positions follow those deviations closely. Economics would be one example. Economists tend to favor open markets--free trade with protections for labor and the environment--which is definitely not an "orthodox liberal" position. They don't tend to take this position because they're all politically conservative--they definitely aren't--they take it because this is the answer given by the state of the art of the discipline. The result is that Obama "bends" on precisely those positions that give the most reassurance to would-be opponents at the least cost of opposition from wary supporters. He spells out his own take on his approach in this diary he wrote here.

        Whenever we dumb down the political debate, we lose. -Barack Obama

        by klizard on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:11:13 PM PDT

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        •  Yes, I returned to his diary (1+ / 0-)

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          after reading Mark Schmitt's article. You can see how he spelled it out, but the community was not willing to listen, as evidenced by the comments.

          His message is coming through now, though. What he is doing in his campaign is coming through as a fine example.

          Against silence, which is slavery. -- Czeslaw Milosz

          by Caneel on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:22:08 PM PDT

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  •  The reason (3+ / 0-)

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    the media gets pissed off with anything before they pigeon hole it is that they actually have to do some work. As soon as something is pigeon holed they can just dredge up the current conventional wisdom and serve it up as journalism.

    there are some honorable exceptions of course.

  •  If the people at WaPo would get off (7+ / 0-)

    their lazy asses and take even a cursory look at Obama's legislative record instead of waiting for K street to feed them their information in the cocktail weenies they would have the answer to their question.

    Obama is about perfecting the moving of Overton windows to the progressive side of the equation.

    McCain says overturn Roe v. Wade.

    by peraspera on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:26:58 PM PDT

  •  They don't understand it ... (0+ / 0-)

    because it's nonsense based on nothing.

    But maybe after he loses the GE, Obama can explain to us how he would have done it.

    I am neither bitter nor cynical but I do wish there was less immaturity in political thinking. -- FDR

    by Moresby on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:27:34 PM PDT

  •  Great diary (8+ / 0-)

    Obama is fooling them. By bringing in all these new young voters, and disaffected Democrats and Republicans, he is creating a progressive voting majority, which should have long coat tails into the election. He also has the oratory skills to convince red America of finally acting in their own interests.

    McCain's 3AM ad is really a Flomax commercial.

    by jhecht on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:31:46 PM PDT

    •  which is why i kinda think (4+ / 0-)

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      that WaPo's option #1 (convince portions of red america to turn blue) isn't all that far off. BHO's  trick is to de-label everything and everyone, re-inviting everyone back to the table and then see what choices make sense.

      He wants to do a partisan reset. I still don't know if it'll work, but it's worth a shot.

      All extremists are irrational and should be exposed

      by SeanF on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:37:48 PM PDT

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  •  I vote for option A (2+ / 0-)

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    He's liberal at heart but is a good enough speaker that he pulls the wool over the eyes of moderates/Repubs.  Kind of like Ronald Reagan.  If there was anything liberal about Reagan I must have missed it.

    I could be wrong and god knows I've been disappointed before.  But I honestly feel like our best chance at enacting a progressive agenda is with Barack.  It may not happen overnight, but with a successful first term I have hope that he might try for single-payer health care in a second term.  Hope, not expectation!  :)

    Never give up! Never surrender!

    by oscarsmom on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:35:56 PM PDT

    •  Not really a Red Blue Divide (0+ / 0-)

      The problem with Option A is that it assumes that there  really is 50-50 split in the country, with half of Americans opposed to progressive policies.

      In fact, almost all independents and a good number of Republicans want universal health insurance, sensible regulation and an end to the Iraq War.

      Obama is a liberal who can make everyone see that this whole "Red/Blue" politics based on cultural issues (God, guns, gays) is bogus...

      You can't be deep without a surface - Jonathan Lethem

      by dcdanny on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:40:57 PM PDT

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  •  He needs to stay enigmatic (3+ / 0-)

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    Somehow, perhaps instinctively, Obama seems to understand that people are projecting a lot of their hopes on him and that this is how it works. He cannot give hope for a better future as much as he can be a vehicle for that hope to move forward.

    (Damn - another 'crazy Obama-talk diary - hard to avoid when you're putting the ineffable into words.)

    He'll have trouble if he tries to get more particular, or even be seen tacking in one direction or another. He seems to have found the exact tempo and stance he needs, and he's invulnerable to the kind of attacks McCain and Clinton are throwing at him.

    My sense is that, if anything, he's a bit to the right of Clinton, which is why he's getting crossover republican votes - and that's OK with me. He's a transitional candidate we need to move the country back to sanity.

    Every day's another chance to stick it to The Man. - dls.

    by The Raven on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:43:51 PM PDT

  •  Thoughtful (3+ / 0-)

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    Thanks, Danny, for this very thoughtful post.  I think you should take over the Washington Post editorial writing responsibilities...

  •  Victory! (3+ / 0-)

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    The right-wing smear machines wins on their labels - liberal, tratior, gay-agenda, and on and on. You all know the drill.

    Obama has worked hard to duck the labels. Some are pissed that he is ducking the 'liberal' label, wanting liberal to become a positive term again. Some are pissed that he is ducking the 'African-American' label by ducking the State of the Black Union (nobody is actually saying that, but essentially that is what they are getting at). And you know they would dial in on those things and attack him. They would take each overt label that Obama uses and leverage it against him.

    Labels are what they do. They relabeled Kerry from 'war hero' to 'traitor'. Obama is taking all their material away. The longer they are confused, the longer they aren't attacking.

    -6.00, -7.03
    Obama '08

    by johnsonwax on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:47:12 PM PDT

    •  Oh, and Obama (4+ / 0-)

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      speaks of regular American problems (is that centrist?) and walks people back to progressive solutions. That's pretty clear to me. Most Dems seem to do the opposite - they appeal to liberals by talking about liberal issues to empower the 'base' but vote in a centrist way to hold broad support. In that way, they usually end up disappointing us here.

      -6.00, -7.03
      Obama '08

      by johnsonwax on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:50:52 PM PDT

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  •  Obama has come forward at the perfect time..... (5+ / 1-)

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    I support the guy, but, let's face it--were he running in 2000, or 2004, his message would not have worked.

    We have reached a point where the conservatism that began in 1980 has run its course. george w bush has not "strayed" from the principles of true conservatism, his administration has been their fulfillment. Americans are finally waking up and seeing the truth--the conservatism of the last 28 years has been an utter failure and disaster for our country.

    The country has shifted and Obama is the right person at the right time. He recognized this, which is one of the reasons why he decided to run.

    That's one of the reasons why the clinton smears and, ultimately, the rethug smears are not going to stick--we've seen this too many times before and americans ain't buying it. Fox news can scream "liberal" from now until November and it's going to fall on deaf ears.

    The key to Obama's "unity" message is not that he is going to "bridge the divide". He is going to manage and channel the momentum that is already growing. His luck (or his skill) is that he chose the right message and the right tone to match what an increasing number of voters want.  

    Let the word go forth from this time and place...that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans--Obama '08

    by Azdak on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:53:30 PM PDT

  •  Excellent Analysis (2+ / 0-)

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    None of us really know, probably not even Obama himself, exactly where an Obama presidency will go.

    Neither did FDR. I probably wouldn't want it any other way myself...it would be sadly limiting, and unimaginative, if every detail of what he hoped to accomplish were chisled in stone like some commandment.

    a couple things I've noticed: One of his heroes is Teddy R., and the second glimpse at how Obama thinks is when he said: "I want to change the mindset that takes us to war."

    I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere ~ Thomas Jefferson

    by valadon on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:55:10 PM PDT

  •  Whatever Obama is... (4+ / 0-)

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    He is consistent in his actions and his voice. His life story backs him up.

    One of the remarkable things about this whole "patriotism" crap is that the reason Obama gets independents and crossover Republicans is because he makes them feel the proud again to be an American. He's showing us what our country really could be if we left our divisiveness and petty power grabs by the wayside.

    The reason we trust him with this new hope, this new vision, is because no matter how deep you go, you find he has been steadfast like this his whole life.

    This isn't something WaPo sees very often, especially in politicians. The best comparison, imho, would have been Paul Wellstone.

  •  The Gods ARE Crazy! GOBAMA! (3+ / 0-)

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    In the paragraph quoted above, Hiatt and Company remind me of the Bushmen in The Gods Must Be Crazy, trying to make sense of the glass Coke bottle that has fallen from the sky. They regard it first as a pestle and then as a club and finally as a punishment from the gods. Just so, the editors of the Post test their ready-made labels on a political figure who defies them.

    Very interesting diary. Rec'd especially for the reference to The Gods Must Be Crazy.

    What a great analogy for the current situation!

    "Let us not look back to the past with anger, nor towards the future with fear, but look around with awareness." James Thurber

    by annan on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:23:09 PM PDT

  •  The key to the mystery (5+ / 0-)

    In short, the only way to truly  "bridge the red-blue divide" is to recognize that the divide is a fiction....Obama has been working for such recognition since his first spoke to a national audience, at the 2004 convention. He called for us to rise above those  who "like to slice-and-dice our country into Red States and Blue States."

    Actually, Obama has been on that path since his days as a community organizer. You start with the goal, then bring in the stakeholders. Is there an issue because a neighborhood isn't safe? You don't develop a policy in isolation, guessing what the absentee landlords, the tenants, the business owners, the police will/will not accept. You start with the goal - we are all concerned about making this neighborhood safer. Let's all get together and have a conversation about how we can do that.  And around that table some understanding develops - tenants and police find common ground that there are too many liquor stores (sorry business owners); landlords and tenants find common ground that crime is rampant and the P.D. is not responsive (sorry police); business owners and landlords find common ground that codes are not enforced and people aren't respecting property (sorry residents). Then everybody creates, together, an approach that almost everybody can support.

    Can this work on national issues? Lot's of people sense that maybe it can. They want to give it a try. Not "R"s and "D"s, not "Blue" and "Red". We all agree there is a problem with health care. Let's get employers, employees, parents, nurses, doctors, insurance companies together for a conversation. What ideas do we share? What ideas are unacceptable to some group? Why? Can we find common ground?

    Obviously, this kind of approach doesn't directly lend itself as well to international relations, diplomacy, war (or not war)and similar issues. But the mind-set can. Speaking honestly to people about what is at stake. What the costs of a particular decision might be. Why that decision may be necessary.  For example - Iraq. What if we had been told, up front, that this could go on for years and years; that many soldiers could be stressed, injured and killed; that many Iraqis would suffer and things would get pretty bad before they got in any way good. For example - what if we had been urged after 9/11 to drastically curtail our energy use, scale down our vehicles, invest in alternative energy; instead of being told to go shopping.

  •  His mentor (Daschle) thinks he's Unity08 (0+ / 0-)

    ... but a review of his policy team suggests he's going a lot farther right than that.

    The Great Obama might saw the lady in half, but he won't make the elephant disappear. The Confluence

    by RonK Seattle on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:30:11 PM PDT

    •  Tom D as Obama surrogate on CNN 2008-01-13 (1+ / 0-)

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      http://transcripts.cnn.com/...

      BLITZER: You sound like one of those moderate Democrats and Republicans who met in Oklahoma recently, who want to see the Left and the Right basically move closer together.

      DASCHLE: Exactly.

      BLITZER: That's where you are, personally, I take it?

      DASCHLE: Well, it's not only where I am personally. But I think it's where the American people are. It's where Barack is. ...

      The Great Obama might saw the lady in half, but he won't make the elephant disappear. The Confluence

      by RonK Seattle on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:40:43 PM PDT

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  •  What's next week's editorial? (1+ / 0-)

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    LauraMichelle

    The Obama Riddle?

    Don't trust any UID over [insert current highest number here].

    by pattyp on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:13:54 PM PDT

  •  Left, Right, Center.. (1+ / 0-)

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    I'll settle for honest discourse and setting some reasonable goals for the next four years.

    Starving out the money-pit cesspool monster that is DC by depriving it of corporate funds would be nice.

    Mostly - I just want the stupid-fucks in the White House to be gone. If McCain  wins, they'll still be there.

    And I will be a poor expatriot.

    How much is enough, Gordon?

    by SecondComing on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:19:03 PM PDT

  •  Obama is a Statesman. (2+ / 0-)

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    Most politicians are merely Sophists.

    It really is that simple.  Obama is liberal/progressive enough, but he's not of the idea that progress means one ideology somehow "triumphs over" the other.

    Both ideological strands are part of human nature, and both have important roles in a strong nation.  Plato had it right.  Obama knows this.

    See Obama's first diary on DKos.  He talks about it:

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    _______________________________
    Healing the universe is an inside job.

    by spotDawa on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:39:45 PM PDT

  •  I agree. (0+ / 0-)

    All the has to do is run on this basis:

    Obama does not have to persuade Red America to support Blue America policies, because strong majorities of all Americans, in every region, already support supposedly "leftist" policies like universal health insurance, sensible regulation and a working safety net (cf  Thomas Frank and Paul Krugman). Obama does not have to become a centrist, nor does he have to tack this way and that, avoiding the whirlpool of  Fox News and the rocks of Move On. No, to be a transformational leader, Obama just has to move the nation beyond the ideological impasse created by Newt, Grover, Ralph, Karl and the rest of the movement conservatives.

    Is that what's happening?

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