181 days - 6 Months

That's how long until the Democratic National Convention.

181 Days
6 Months.

And people expect Hillary Clinton to drop out of this race!

Roughly 50% of the voters and all the big blue states have voted for Hillary.

No Republican states and no Open caucuses have voted for Hillary.  But all the big blue states with Democratic majorities, the heart of this party have.

• But you want her to drop out?

Give me a f....n break.

181 Days
6 Months

Obviously the Obama camp and their friends in the press want her to drop out before the country falls out of love with him.  

181 Days
6 Months

That's a long time for Obama to avoid putting his foot in his mouth.

181 Days
6 Months

That's also a long time for the press to finally do the work they get paid to do.

181 Days
6 Months

That is a really long time for this Daily Obama site to go without controversy.  Markos will go broke without controversy to drive the readership.

181 Days
6 Months

Don't give me the unity argument.  The GOP would like nothing better than to have an extra six months to attack him and come September the Democratic party will be united because we all want the rethugs out of the White House.

The unity argument is just another excuse to try and badger her into withdrawing.  

But you forget.  

Hillary Clinton never backs down and we her supporters will never abandon her.  Never.

•  Tips for loonnng days

  by NewHampster on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 04:58:26 PM PDT

  •  so you are in favor of the

    manic queegish character she is turning into?

    by TAPayne on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:07:40 PM PDT

    •  ah, our first satisfied customer.

      they're so cute when they're angry ;-)

      by campskunk on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:08:42 PM PDT

      •  LOL

        by NewHampster on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:09:12 PM PDT

        •  I keep loving her more

          she's an inspiration, the way she keeps going, keeps working, keeps on that uphill battle of correcting misinformation, in spite of nasty MSNBC and nasty Maureen Dowd (who has at least finally taken off after Barack, she thinks he grabbed the feminine position, and I doubt a guy like him want to be seen as a girl).  She keeps the issues front burner, bet that bugs pugs, and she keeps preparing herself for the job. A woman's work is never done.  Go Hillary, I'm with you all the way.  

          by anna shane on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:14:17 PM PDT

          •  if you think you are more of a concern to

            senator clinton than her doners are, you need to have a second look

            by TAPayne on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:19:51 PM PDT

            •  dont confuse supporters/voters with donors

              by TAPayne on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:21:19 PM PDT

              •  I thought it was doners?

                by Gabriele Droz on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:24:16 PM PDT

                •  You got him.

                  Step Two:

                  Post it on facts.hillaryhub.com

                  by BlueGenes on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:28:27 PM PDT

                  •  I DO like your sense of humor.

                    I wish we had more of that and less of the other.

                    by Gabriele Droz on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:25:52 PM PDT

                    •  Is this flame war turning into a Love Fest?

                      This would never happen on RS or LGF.

                      /warmth

                      by BlueGenes on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:00:09 AM PDT

                •  ...

                  please pardon the poor keyboarding, i can never decide which two of my ten thumbs to use, so hopefully some of you are fluent in Typo

                  by TAPayne on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:37:12 PM PDT

                •  mmm ... doners

                  Recipe

                  (No guarantees, just pulled it up with Google and have never seen the recipe before, much less tried it)

                  by Warren Terra on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:58:42 PM PDT

                  •  Looks good,

                    except I don't like meat.  Thanks anyway :)

                    by Gabriele Droz on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:27:07 PM PDT

                •  I could go for a nice doner kebab

                  That's tasty stuff right there.

                  by metal prophet on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:01:09 PM PDT

          •  what misinformation has she corrected in the

            last few days?  This will be good...

            by MadAsHellMaddie on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:29:35 PM PDT

            •  none, i guess ranting and mocking are strategies

              by TAPayne on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:40:51 PM PDT

              •  yes mocking milliions of people all over the

                world is an interesting tact.  

                by MadAsHellMaddie on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:42:03 PM PDT

                •  Well *those* millions of people--

                  --have already voted, so what does she care?

                  by zbbrox on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:05:48 PM PDT

                •  Then again,what about the millions of voters

                  that voted for Hillary.  Are all of them uninformed assholes that don't see the light?

                  What about them?  They consist of nearly half of our population, only slightly less than Obamas'.

                  Can Obama incorporate them in his campaign after all that's happened?  Can the Obama camp accept their opinions graciously?  I haven't seen any signs of that.  Educate me, please, as to how those of us who chose and believe in Hillary, will be integrated into your supposed "Uniter's" strategy.

                  I have seen no such strategy, only belittling.  Come on, make us all feel welcome.  Court us after all of the attacks.  

                  To me it seems like you just take our vote for granted, and no effort needs to be made towards reconciliation.  Show me how it will be done, if so.

                  by Gabriele Droz on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:43:35 PM PDT

                  •  Um....well, it depends, doesn't it.

                    Can the Obama camp accept their opinions graciously?  

                    Are you asking me to accept your opinion that I'm in a cult graciously, that obama is a liar graciously, that I'm not a "true democrat" graciously?  Or that I'mchildish, naive, starstruck, limosine liberal latte drinking person who doesn't need a president?

                    I mean, asking me to accept health care mandates is one thing.  But asking me to accept the primary thesis of the diarist in the comments, that I'm an asshole amd so is my candidate....well, sorry, but I can't really see us conceding that point.

                    How's about your HRC supporters giving up something for unity, like some of the invective agianst Obama supporters?  Let us know.  Apparently you need 181 days to think about it.

                    by Inland on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:08:45 PM PDT

                  •  yes Obama can because he hasn't run his

                    campaign using party distructing rove bullshit.  He won't win over all of them and he doesn't need to.  

                    by MadAsHellMaddie on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 09:52:18 PM PDT

              •  I think mostly just entertainment.

                There is a strategy to it, namely, the idea that by de-legitimizing Obama supporters, you could convince the convention to disregard pledged delegates.

                But mostly, it's just a crew of nasty people who don't like Obama supporters getting their rocks off saying so.  It's all very personal for them.  

                by Inland on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:05:16 PM PDT

    •  you should really give this meme up

      it's really getting stupid.

      by YatPundit on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:20:59 PM PDT

      •  to bad its relevent eh?

        by TAPayne on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:42:03 PM PDT

    •  Oh you're such a cute lil bot

      by comstockgrants on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:22:17 PM PDT

      •  turn that cold hard eye inward...

        by TAPayne on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:42:22 PM PDT

        •  You sad lil puppet...keep saying yes I can...

          dolt.

          by comstockgrants on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:54:03 PM PDT

          •  like thecandidate the followers resort to epithet

            by TAPayne on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:37:51 PM PDT

    •  I am! Very much so!

      She should have been that way from the start, if you ask me.  

      by Rich in PA on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:42:29 PM PDT

  •  Yes We Will....

    is that like the millionth Clinton campaign slogan this month?

    by BlueGenes on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:09:28 PM PDT

    •  I'm been using it for awhile now

      by NewHampster on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:11:17 PM PDT

      •  no one can tell me that we can't

        whatever BlueGenes thinks.  Is bluegenes a boy's name?  

        by anna shane on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:14:57 PM PDT

        •  Thanks for asking.

          The idea behind the moniker is that my core ideals of community involvement (which lead to my politcal views) are hardwired into our genes; as we are inherently social creatures. Conservatives and isolationists are confused about their physical origin and their place in society.

          Also, I have a bachelor's degree in genetics.

          by BlueGenes on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:19:13 PM PDT

        •  I would never presume to tell you what

          you are or are not capable of. All humans are amazingly powerful and capable beings.

          But I feel that when you look at the players in the DLC And other corporate-style Democratic Party organizations, in addition to Obama's appeal to new voters and independant voters, that Obama is not only better positioned to win the general election, he is better positioned to transform the Democratic Party into a more progressive, people-powered organization.

          I understand if you feel differently.

          by BlueGenes on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:25:04 PM PDT

    •  We are the ones we're waiting for!!!

      Whooo hoooo! We love us! We really do!

      by comstockgrants on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:23:21 PM PDT

      •  I was waiting for me, but I didn't show.N/T

        by Rich in PA on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:41:44 PM PDT

        •  I know gee I wish we all knew

          we were the ones we were waiting for ...that's just so enlightening isn't it?

          It reminds of the things we said in my youth after smoking Panama red that we thought were so profound...

          by comstockgrants on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:55:47 PM PDT

          •  I actually think it's a good line.

            It says: don't wait for someone else to do the hard work, it's time to step up and do it yourself.

            That's an important message.

            by zbbrox on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:07:53 PM PDT

            •  Yes, but it doesn't ring as true...

              ...when it's a vehicle for a highly personalist campaign for the presidency.  

              by Rich in PA on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:16:50 PM PDT

              •  I don't see how Obama's campaign...

                ...is more personalist than Clinton's. Sure, it relies more on charisma and likability, but Obama stresses the hard work and participation of the American people and the voters much more than she does. That might have something to do with why he's more likable, actually--people like to feel like they're involved. And clearly there are more people with a sense of ownership in Obama's campaign--he has gotten more small donations from a larger number of donors than her.

                He has said flatly that he doesn't consider himself to be a singular figure, just someone who's come along at a time when the American people are ready to stand up and work at getting the country back on track, with the skill set to help them do it. I think, in contrast, Hillary has been much more focused on how she'll fight, and how she'll lead, and how "she's your girl".

                Again, no doubt that Obama's campaign relies heavily on his personal qualities, but I think that's just an advantage he happens to hold, not the message of the campaign.

                by zbbrox on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:30:01 PM PDT

                •  Thoughtful response.

                  But wasted in this diary I'm afraid.

                  by Same As It Ever Was on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 04:29:21 AM PDT

            •  hahahahahah...wow America has really dumbed down

              You will fall for anything. No wonder we get idiots for President.

              by comstockgrants on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:35:33 PM PDT

              •  Yes, your superior intelligence...

                ...is really on display right now. Well done.

                by zbbrox on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:44:53 PM PDT

                •  You're a bot ...want some swamp land too?

                  by comstockgrants on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 09:16:34 PM PDT

                  •  See, this is what makes your claim...

                    ...on intelligence so hard to believe, because you seem to be under the delusion that you can just say things and that somehow makes them real.

                    by zbbrox on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 04:53:40 AM PDT

  •  She won't back down. :)

    by Caldonia on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:15:43 PM PDT

  •  How far Hillary has fallen

    from her inevitable perch.

    Can't say I'm too upset.

    by Reagan Smash on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:18:35 PM PDT

    •  Yes, she's fallen, oh how she's fallen.

      So far from being called "unelectable" to receiving the majority of true Democrats' vote.  Now that's a steep fall, wouldn't you say?

      by Gabriele Droz on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:27:45 PM PDT

      •  What, pray tell is a 'True Democrat?" nt

        by BlueGenes on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:29:25 PM PDT

        •  A "True Democrat"

          is not somebody who votes Democrat in the spring so they can help us choose our nominee, while fully intending to laugh all the way to the ballot box to vote Republican in the fall.

          by cackyp on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:48:40 PM PDT

          •  So this is all a big conspiracy?

            I don't think Republicans are quite that smart.

            by metal prophet on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:04:05 PM PDT

            •  No it is not a conspiracy

              Hillary leads in the number of Democrats voting, while Obama leads in independents and crossover Republicans.

              No conspiracy at all, recorded facts.

              Might check out Geraldine Ferarro's Op Ed in NY Times.  I believe that is the last place that I read it but  have read it numerous times.

              Generally speaking, it is the uninformed that gets the most outraged and jump the shark.  Wouldn't it be wiser to just collect facts.  Seems to be lots easier on the blood pressure and stomachs.

              PaintyKat

              by PaintyKat on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:23:25 PM PDT

              •  Also,

                Do you think there are not die-hard group of republicans who can be mobilized to plant the seeds for this and hence create a groundswell for it?

                by ghost2 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:50:06 PM PDT

                •  lol n/t

                  by Same As It Ever Was on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 04:31:35 AM PDT

              •  I've collected all the facts

                That's why I'm supporting Obama. The fact is that Clinton's AUMF vote makes her an ineffective critic of this disastrous war, at best. Spin her vote all you'd like, but that's something she can't get around.

                by metal prophet on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 08:11:22 PM PDT

                •  mccain

                  didn't just vote for it, he believed in it. She wanted inspectors.  

                  by anna shane on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:35:56 AM PDT

            •  Never underestimate your opponent

              by Izarradar on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:46:29 PM PDT

              •  Regarding this comment:

                "I don't think Republicans are quite that smart."

                That's a good way to lose an election.

                by Izarradar on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:47:39 PM PDT

              •  If I borrow your sig line,

                would that be considered plagiarism? I'm proud to be a bitch too. We get things done.

                by cackyp on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:36:03 PM PDT

            •  Then you've missed a few elections they stole

              by NewHampster on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:46:54 PM PDT

              •  Right on, NH.

                Somebody wasn't paying attention in 2000 and 2004.

                by Izarradar on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:48:20 PM PDT

                •  They forget

                  so quickly

                  by NewHampster on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:49:46 PM PDT

              •  Never misunderestimate your opponent.

                Or your naivety and gullibility will be your downfall.

                by cackyp on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:38:43 PM PDT

              •  Republican strategists...

                ....are fairly bright, yes. But no, I don't think that there's some big, grassroots conspiracy for Republicans to cross over and support Obama. And even if there was, do they know something that we don't? They'd taking an awful risk by helping the Democrats nominate the most verbally skilled and charismatic candidate. Republicans eat Democrats alive when we run dull candidates (Kerry, Gore, Dukakis, Mondale, etc). Not so much so when we have interesting candidates.

                by metal prophet on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 08:13:40 PM PDT

            •  they make it public

              they ask their voters to cross over in certain circumstances as when their nom is already chosen.  

              by anna shane on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:35:04 AM PDT

          •  How does a party become a majority party

            if they dont accept new membership? Are you really so cynical that you think the party cannot take in genuinely interested republicans/independants?

            "Cynicism is a sorry wisdom." - Barack Obama

            by BlueGenes on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:08:12 PM PDT

            •  they're not accepting membership.

              they're accepting primary votes. that "democrat for a day" stuff isn't going to work as well in november as it does now. those republican friends of yours will revert to type.

              by campskunk on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:56:37 PM PDT

              •  My Aunt is a 2 time Bush voter

                and Obama has her fired up.

                She's never been politcally active beyond voting.

                She has donated and helped out during the primary and intends to in November.

                This is not an isolated phenomenon.

                by BlueGenes on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 05:56:24 AM PDT

          •  And how many of those

            voted in the Dem primaries, do you think? Got any stats there?

            by zbbrox on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:08:41 PM PDT

            •  Too damned many.

              And I don't need any stats to tell me that it makes me queasy to hear a Democratic candidate bragging about winning the primary on the strength of their Republican votes.

              by cackyp on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:40:32 PM PDT

              •  Well, as Democrats are only...

                ...about 35% of the country, we're going to need to pull that extra 15% from somewhere.

                by zbbrox on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 08:19:37 PM PDT

          •  Cause we don't need independents

            to win in November.

            by Same As It Ever Was on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 04:31:00 AM PDT

        •  They're The Ones

          Who voted for Mondale in 1984. Worked out great for the Dem Party, it did.

          by pletzs on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:05:45 PM PDT

        •  resistered

          would vote for the dem nom and will say so.  Believes in the core dem positions more than any particular candidate.  

          by anna shane on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 06:34:15 AM PDT

      •  I beg your pardon?

        A majority of "true Democrats' vote"? What in the blazes does that mean?

        She's several hundred thousand votes behind in the popular vote. Which of those hundreds of thousands aren't "true" Democrats, out of interest?

        by zbbrox on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:30:06 PM PDT

        •  the rpublicans who voted in the open primaries

          by NewHampster on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:32:41 PM PDT

          •  And you think...

            ...without the Republican vote, Obama would be doing significantly worse right now? In which states did his margin in the Republican vote outmatch his margin of victory?

            by zbbrox on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:47:45 PM PDT

          •  The ones who signed up

            to be a "Democrat for a Day."  That's wanting to win at all costs, even if it means losing in the GE.

            by Izarradar on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:51:47 PM PDT

      •  And what exactly makes this comment

        worthy of hiding, my good friend Benny Toothpick? Your gut-feeling?  But, but... you haven't looked into my eyes and my soul.  A bit hasty, I think Mr. user number 139948, with no diaries and 8 comments?

        Are you aware of the rules here?

        by Gabriele Droz on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:53:29 PM PDT

        •  nothing at all n/t

          by PaintyKat on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:18:27 PM PDT

        •  Get over yourself.

          No one cares about UID numbers.

          by stridergambit on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:39:14 PM PDT

          •  No-one?

            I wouldn't be so sure if I were you.

            by Gabriele Droz on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:58:50 PM PDT

        •  it's those "kossacks for a day".

          by campskunk on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:57:45 PM PDT

          •  great comment! n/t

            by ghost2 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:52:00 PM PDT

      •  What is meant is that Hillary leads in the votes

        of Democrats and Obama leads with independents and cross over Republicans.

        The "real" seems to be confusing.

        PaintyKat

        by PaintyKat on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:19:36 PM PDT

        •  Is that like "real patriot" or "real American"

          errrr...sounds kinda Republican to me.

          by eltee on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:17:09 PM PDT

  •  They also want her to drop out...

    before all the dirt comes up on Obama like it has been..coming to the surface like shit that finally decided to float:

    Farrahkan endorsement.... - nice get there!
    Connection to Domestic Terrorist Weatherground Ayers
    More 527 funds
    and Rezko trial coming on March 3, 2008 that will be interesting too....

    Now that's entertainment!

    by comstockgrants on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:21:35 PM PDT

    •  I met Bill Ayers At a book signing

      does that mean I'm a "bad" Democrat?

      by BlueGenes on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:30:55 PM PDT

    •  They are despearte for her to exit

      But she has 181 days to hang around.

      by NewHampster on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:32:02 PM PDT

    •  I'm not much for hiding comments...

      ...but I ought to hide that one.  None of that shit matters at all to me.  Please don't make me defend him...but I will!  Heck, I defended Huck and Ron Paul, not long ago.

      by Rich in PA on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:46:20 PM PDT

      •  Well it does matter to me and lots of others

        How can you say it doesn't matter?

        by comstockgrants on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:57:39 PM PDT

        •  Him being endorsed by Farrakhan

          matters to you? So if David Duke came out for Hillary, that'd be a mark against her?

          Jeeze. Who the hell do you expect Farrakhan to endorse? And how does it say anything about Obama?

          by zbbrox on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:12:20 PM PDT

          •  Wow what a bizarre comment

            Yes of course it matters...Do you know anything about Obama's relationship with Wright/Farrakhan...wow talk about naive!

            by comstockgrants on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:28:37 PM PDT

            •  Oh, please.

              Obama has no links to Farrakhan, just because his minister happens to be a fan. I hear the Pope liked Hitler when he was a kid, guess we shouldn't vote for any Nazi-loving Catholics.

              by zbbrox on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:44:00 PM PDT

    •  The Rezko thing...

      ....is even of a nonissue than Whitewater. And frankly, Obama has handled it much better than the Clintons handled Whitewater.

      by metal prophet on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:06:26 PM PDT

      •  Obama hasn't had Starr and 100 million bucks

        out to sink him.  Yet

        by NewHampster on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:34:24 PM PDT

        •  And what makes you think...

          ....that they won't do that to HRC again? Or that something else will come up? Let's vote our hopes and not our fears.

          by metal prophet on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 08:16:47 PM PDT

  •  A lot can happen in 6 days,

    let alone 6 months.

    by cackyp on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:43:05 PM PDT

•  heh! she'll torment them...

  ...by staying in the race. she's eeeevil that way, you know ;-)  but nobody asked me. i'm from florida. i hope she stays in the race to put pressure on the democratic party to abandon its current voter disenfranchisement policy.

  by campskunk on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:04:31 PM PDT

  •  call for a revote...oh wait you wont do that

    as senator clinton's campaign is totally against it as they know what the outcome will be

    by TAPayne on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:06:27 PM PDT

    •  A revote Yes!

      A revolt against religious zealots like OBama

      by NewHampster on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:09:52 PM PDT

      •  Obama is a zealot now?

        One minute he's just like George Bush.
        The next, he's a cult leader. Make up your mind.

        He has almost a million donators. Is that bad that he brings people into democratic politics? Do you reAlly want to assail someone who gets folks energized about democratic politics?

        Hillary isnt just doing a disservice to her legacy. She playing a Scorched Earth policy with the Democratic Party.

        by BlueGenes on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:14:30 PM PDT

        •  it'a a joke

          on her parody of him, wave a magic wand?  

          by anna shane on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:15:41 PM PDT

      •  Religious zealots?

        Evidence or retraction, now.

        by mistersite on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:14:38 PM PDT

        •  having a hard day?

          have to go making threats?  Can't take a joke? You know the old saying, if you can't take a coke go take a fresca?  

          by anna shane on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:16:42 PM PDT

          •  We have to nip stuff like this in the bud.

            I mean, it's shameful enough that Democrats are pushing the cultist meme against fellow Democrats - to suggest that Sen. Obama's supporters should simply take it without rebuttal is beyond the pale.  Insulting a Democratic candidate in such a manner with no evidence is slander, and is unacceptable in our discourse.

            by mistersite on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:21:06 PM PDT

            •  that's right. thought control.

              gotta clamp down on double-plus-ungood thoughtcrime. send them all to the radish patches. it's the american way.

              by campskunk on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:23:15 PM PDT

              •  No one's denying your right...

                ...to think stupid things. We'd just prefer if you didn't say them without some support.

                by zbbrox on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:33:20 PM PDT

                •  Exactly

                  Freedom of speech doesn't mean we can't call you a dumbass when you say dumbass things.

                  by metal prophet on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:08:53 PM PDT

              •  No, but it is the Democratic way...

                ...to demand that if someone makes a claim, they support it with evidence that demonstrates the veracity of their claim.

                Thus far, such evidence has not been provided.  If such evidence cannot be provided, intellectual honesty demands that the claim be retracted.

                by mistersite on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:44:29 PM PDT

        •  Spirituality is so personal it doesn't have

          its own link.

          by hopscotch1997 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:18:15 PM PDT

        •  I heard him say it

          A light from above will shine down on you and blah blah blah.

          The problem is he believes his own BS.

          by NewHampster on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:19:21 PM PDT

          •  Then you shouldn't have any problem finding...

            ...a link that indicates that he said it and was serious about it, should you?

            Hop to it.

            by mistersite on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:21:57 PM PDT

            •  that's the scary part. he WAS serious.

              "My job this morning is to be so persuasive...that a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany, and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Barack," he told a crowd of about 300 Ivy Leaguers--and, by the looks of it, a handful of locals who managed to gain access to what was supposed to be a students-only event.

              
              link

              by campskunk on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:25:43 PM PDT

              •  That's a blockquote.

                It doesn't give tone of voice.  It doesn't give facial expression.  It gives no indication of whether he was saying this in all seriousness, or whether he was saying it with a wry smile on his face.

                Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.  Let's see it.

                by mistersite on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:29:14 PM PDT

                •  You don't like...

                  ...the sunshine of his love?  

                  by Caldonia on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:31:15 PM PDT

                  •  looks like some of you could use some

                    of that.  Just saying.

                    by MadAsHellMaddie on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:40:59 PM PDT

                    •  No, thanks.

                      Had me enough Elmer Gantry.

                      by Caldonia on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:01:52 PM PDT

                •  Awwh shucks.

                  It doesn't give tone of voice.  It doesn't give facial expression.

                  I know, I know.  Words don't matter.  Expressionism does.

                  God, how far will you people go to excuse anything and everything Obama does/says?  It's pathetic.

                  by Gabriele Droz on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:31:57 PM PDT

                  •  Nafta Matters.

                    WalMart Matters.

                    "Lobbyists are people" Matters.

                    AUMF Matters.

                    by BlueGenes on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:33:45 PM PDT

                  •  I forgot.

                    Everything someone says should be taken literally without regard to their tone, or the possibility of humor, irony, or sarcasm.

                    How silly of me.

                    I guess I'll just have to never say anything with any irony in it again.

                    I'll get right on that.

                    by zbbrox on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:35:17 PM PDT

                  •  I really love that rhetorical tactic.

                    Declaring any argument against a completely unjustified smear on Obama as "excusing anything and everything Obama does/says" is so good for dialogue around here.  It really makes the conversation so much more pleasant by immediately shutting down any chance at rational discourse.

                    I also really love being referred to as you people.  It's so delightfully disrespectful and patronizing.

                    Please show some respect for others.

                    by mistersite on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:37:12 PM PDT

                    •  "I really love that rhetorical tactic"

                      Thanks.

                      by Gabriele Droz on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:05:47 PM PDT

                      •  So, in other words....

                        ...you have nothing to add?

                        by zbbrox on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:14:01 PM PDT

                        •  Exactly. n/t

                          by Gabriele Droz on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:21:45 PM PDT

              •  What are you serious??

                I've been to enough Obama rallies to tell you that's a joke....Really grasping at nothing....

                by True Centrist on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:46:37 PM PDT

              •  I was a JOKE

                you idiot.

                by Same As It Ever Was on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 04:41:46 AM PDT

            •  Do not use my name in vain.

              Thanks, hop

              by hopscotch1997 on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:26:32 PM PDT

        •  LMAO...

          ...now.

          by Caldonia on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:21:19 PM PDT

          •  Yes, now.

            I have seen quite enough of the "Obama cult" shit on this site, and quite enough of the "Obama thinks he's the messiah" shit on this site, and I think it's time Clinton supporters put up or shut up.  Belittling millions of fellow Democrats, or belittling the man who could quite possibly be the Democratic nominee and the next President of the United States, is unacceptable.  If no proof can be provided for NewHampster's claims, intellectual honesty demands a retraction.

            by mistersite on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:24:23 PM PDT

            •  Still cackling!

              now

              by Caldonia on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:25:48 PM PDT

              •  And bitching too,

                I'm a bitch that gets things done.

                by Gabriele Droz on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:33:06 PM PDT

                •  Gets things done

                  except getting your candidate elected.

                  /burn

                  /double burn

                  by BlueGenes on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 05:34:44 PM PDT

                  •  I'm not done yet. You just wait and see. n/t

                    by Gabriele Droz on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:02:23 PM PDT

                    •  K, I will.

                      Then I'll donate and phonebank some more.

                      by BlueGenes on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 06:13:18 PM PDT

                      •  I applaud you for that.

                        That's what we all should be doing, phone-banking for our c