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Turnout analysis (with graphs)

Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:00:04 PM PDT

Yesterday, I wrote a diary examining how accurately polls predicted turnout. In many states such as Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina, pre-election polling severely underestimated African-American turnout; the Hispanic vote was also underestimated to a lesser degree in many states. I was originally planning to repeat that analysis for age demographics, but that proved difficult because pollsters weren't consistent in how they broke down the different age groups. So instead, I attempted to predict racial turnout on my own by examining exit poll data from 2004.

I reasoned that there should be a linear relationship between the percent of Democratic voters who were of one race and the percent of Democratic primary voters of the same race. I took CNN 2004 exit polling data from each state, and multiplied the African-American vote by the percent who voted for Kerry to get a baseline of the number of Democratic African-American voters; I divided that number by the percentage of Democratic voters who voted for Kerry (I only counted Kerry voters to remove error from the traditionally Democratic southern states, where voters might be registered Democrat but never vote for one.) I repeated the process for Hispanic voters; overall, the exercise required more work than actual analysis.

When I fitted the data to a linear trendline, I was pleasantly surprised to see how accurate it was for the African-American vote; the Hispanic vote was a bit more irregular.

Surprisingly enough, my model for the African-American vote was more accurate than pre-election polls for most states. The obvious outlier there is Virginia, which I think has to do with the fact that it received a massive amount of non-Democratic voters - 30% independent or Republicans; that amount is usually more in the 15-25% range.

I applied my model to Ohio and Texas, and got that of the Texas electorate, 23% would be African-American and 25% Hispanic; Ohio would be 18% African-American and 4.7% Hispanic. In comparison, the latest SurveyUSA poll shows Texas at 18% African-American and 32% Hispanic, while Ohio is 17% African-American and 3% Hispanic.
As shown in the graphs above, Hispanic turnout is quite irregular, but I'll stick with my prediction that it would be 25% in Texas, as that seems to fit in with what the Burnt Orange Report is saying. My model for the African-American vote seems to fit quite neatly for past primaries, so I'll assume that its right as well. I guess we'll see whether my model is more accurate than SurveyUSA in a couple of weeks.
To predict the votes in each state, I used the SurveyUSA poll for the breakdown among white and Hispanic voters, assigning 'other' and 'undecided' votes equally to each candidate, but assumed that Obama would win the African-American vote 85-15, as polls have predicted it inaccurately in the post (see last diary.) This model has Obama winning Texas 51.5-48.5, and losing Ohio 52.2-47.7

One factor left to consider is that the African-American population in Texas has gone up quite a bit since 2004 from Hurricane Katrina refugees. If those people get to the polls, African-American turnout in Texas may be even higher than what I predict.

A few more possible scenarios:

  1. The Hispanic vote is going to surge up to 32% in Texas, but my projections are right on everything else. If this happens, Obama wins it in a nailbiter by 1%.
  1. In the week left before the election, Obama gains among the white vote in Texas and Ohio so that he loses 52-48 and 55-45, respectively, while losing 40-60 among the Hispanic vote; my turnout projections remain accurate.

If this happens, Obama wins Texas by 9 points and Ohio by 4. I think that this is the most likely scenario to occur.

For fun, some optimistic scenarios for both candidates:

  1. Very optimistic Obama scenario (something along the lines of what Kos seems to think for Texas):

Obama crushes Clinton among the African-American vote 90-10 in both states; his effective ground game pushes African-American turnout to 25% in TX and 20% in OH. He ties among the white vote in TX and loses it by 4 points in OH, while losing 45-55 among the Hispanic vote.
If this happens, Obama wins Texas by 17.5% and Ohio by 12.5%.

  1. Very optimistic Clinton scenario:

Obama's ground game in TX and OH is overhyped and all predictions of increased African-American turnout are wrong - its only 15% in both states. The Hispanic vote does surge to 32% in Texas. Clinton halts Obama's momentum and crushes him among the white vote 60-40 in TX and 65-35 in OH; she wins the Hispanic vote 70-30 and loses the African-American vote 25-75.
If this happens, Clinton wins Texas by 16% and Ohio by 18%.

I did all this work on Excel; if you want to look at the detailed numbers, I took a screenshot of it here.

UPDATE:
I added a graph comparing my model to actual results. There don't seem to be any obvious patterns.

UPDATE II:
SUSA's Texas poll came out
They have Obama AHEAD 49-45. Most of this apparently comes from him narrowing the Latino voter gap to 13 points.

The crosstabs page won't load (probably from way too much traffic), but I'll update this with an analysis when it does.

Update III:
A bit pointless since nobody's reading this anyways, but the crosstabs finally loaded.
It looks like SUSA's backing down from their earlier turnout predictions - they now have African-American turnout at 21% and Hispanic turnout at 28%, in comparison to 18% and 32% from their last poll.
Most significantly, they have Obama losing ground among white voters but gaining among Hispanics. Surprisingly, the Hispanic vote is closer than the white vote.

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  •  Interesting analysis (1+ / 0-)

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    Michiganliberal

    If I'm reading it correctly, you've demonstrated that the rate at which African-American general-election voters participate in the primary doesn't change with the fraction of the population that they represent in each state, but that there's noticeably more variation in the Hispanic turnout.

    If you have the data easily available, it might be interesting to look at the white/other category, to get a sense as to how that demographic behaves.

    -dms

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    by dmsilev on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:11:28 PM PDT

    •  Basically. (3+ / 0-)

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      There were a few outliers, that I tried to explain:

      1. Virginia was the most prominent one, and I think it had to do with the high number of independent and Republican voters there.
      1. California and Connecticut both had a significantly lower African-American vote than I predicted. This may have been affected by the low number of such voters - the exit polls from 2004 may have been off from such factors.

      But my model did get many hard-to-poll states such as Alabama, Georgia, and South Carolina quite close - a lot closer than pre-election polls, at least.

      •  I find it interesting that the slopes of the two (0+ / 0-)

        graphs are more or less the same. It's conventional wisdom that Hispanics "don't turn out for elections", and you may have rebutted that.

        Of course, since your normalization constants are general-election turnouts, it might be the case that "Hispanics don't turn out for either the general or primary elections". To answer that question, you'd have to look at overall populations, not the subset that actually votes.

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        by dmsilev on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:34:14 PM PDT

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      •  I think California (0+ / 0-)

        had something of a "home field advantage" for Clinton; African-Americans stayed home due to the belief that Clinton was going to win anyway (just like African-American turnout was below your predictions in New York).

        There are people who say, "If music's that easy to write, I could do it." Of course they could, but they don't. - John Cage

        by RoscoeOfAlabama on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 08:40:26 PM PDT

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        •  But why didn't that happen in Illinois? (0+ / 0-)

          Turnout for both African-Americans and Hispanics were down considerably in NY, but up considerably in IL.

          •  I think people will turn out (0+ / 0-)

            if they perceive their candidate will "win".

            If I'm not mistaken, there was a similar affect in 1996; depressed turnout in red states, increased turnout in blue states, all because conventional wisdom suggested that Clinton was guaranteed victory.

            As for Hispanics not showing up in New York, however, that does not fit my hypothesis.

            There are people who say, "If music's that easy to write, I could do it." Of course they could, but they don't. - John Cage

            by RoscoeOfAlabama on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:31:40 PM PDT

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          •  Sources for the "Bob Dole" effect (0+ / 0-)

            1996 results by states
            2000 results by states

            Selected results:
            California (D) 1996: 5,119,835
            California (D) 2000: 5,861,203 (14.48% increase)

            California (R) 1996: 3,828,380
            California (R) 2000: 4,567,429 (19.30% increase)

            Indiana (D) 1996: 887,424
            Indiana (D) 2000: 901,980 (1.64% increase)

            Indiana (R) 1996: 1,006,693
            Indiana (R) 2000: 1,245,836 (23.76% increase)

            Michigan (D) 1996: 1,989,653
            Michigan (D) 2000: 2,170,418 (9.09% increase)

            Michigan (R) 1996: 1,481,212
            Michigan (R) 2000: 1,953,139 (31.86% increase)

            Certainly, some of that can be attribute to Clinton's electoral advantages over Gore and Bush's superiority as a candidate to Dole, but even in states that "didn't matter", we see Republicans making larger gains in Democrats.

            I argue that at least some of that is the result of the "I-wanna-be-a-winner-too" effect (as dubbed by this Mike Bloomberg blogger).

            There are people who say, "If music's that easy to write, I could do it." Of course they could, but they don't. - John Cage

            by RoscoeOfAlabama on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 10:04:52 PM PDT

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  •  New SUSA poll @ 11:00pm ET (0+ / 0-)

    1/4 of electorate already voted!

  •  Fascinating If Bush's New Orleans Ethnic Cleansin (0+ / 0-)

    puts enough blacks into Texas to lead to Obama winning White House.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:30:17 PM PDT

  •  Well He's Facing 7 Days of Kitchen Sinking (0+ / 0-)

    Whatever else happens, it'll be an entirely different information environment than we've had before.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:32:43 PM PDT

  •  Texas (1+ / 0-)

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    Excellent work, by the way! Recommended! My thoughts on Texas: Latinos will not break 2-1 for Hillary. Look how decently Obama did among Latinos in Arizona and New Mexico...and that was three weeks ago. California has been the only real disaster for him among Latinos, and half the vote there was early.

    However, improved Obama numbers among Latinos will be cancelled out by this fact: more Latinos will show up than African-Americans. This is pure mathematics...there are three times as many Latinos as blacks in Texas, and while the turnout will be a lot closer than that (since, let's face it, African-Americans are traditionally more reliable voters than Latinos), I don't think it will be no difference at all (as your 25-23% model would suggest). I'm guessing a good 30-35% Latino, and probably 20-22% black. Obama will still win Texas if he gets, say, 40% of Latinos and half of whites, but don't count on Latinos being that underrepresented.

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    by Nathaniel Ament Stone on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:39:58 PM PDT

    •  The difference: (0+ / 0-)

      From the exit polls, Hispanics were 20% of the Texas electorate in 2004, compared to 12% for African-Americans. This may differ from your '3 times as many Latinos in Texas' statistic because of illegal immigrants, that many of those Latinos are too young to vote, or because they just don't show up. It should also be remembered that many of those Latinos are Republican - Kerry only received 50% of their vote in 2004. I think the Texas primary is open, so those Republican or Independent Latinos may decide to vote in the Democratic primary, but that hasn't been much of a significant factor in previous races.

      I'm going with SurveyUSA's numbers on Latinos for now, since they got Virginia almost exactly right (quite a feat considering how few of them were in the sample), but I think that Obama will narrow the margin down to 60-40 by the election.

      •  Good points (0+ / 0-)

        I forgot that Texas Latinos are thought to be more conservative than their California counterparts, who are traditionally 65-70% Democratic. That means they will only be somewhat more represented in Texas Dem primaries than Texas GOP primaries. Black voters being at least 80% Democratic in every state, the party gap will naturally be bigger.

        So we're looking at a Dem electorate in Texas that is maybe 45-50% white, 25-35% Latino, 20-25% black. I don't see how Hillary Clinton could possibly drive up Latino turnout the same way Barack Obama drives up African-American turnout...I really don't. So you may be right, and the two groups may be a lot closer in voting numbers than I thought.

        SUSA poll coming out any minute!

        The Republican Party is neither pro-republic nor pro-party. Discuss!

        by Nathaniel Ament Stone on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 07:57:55 PM PDT

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  •  SUSA Texas poll (1+ / 0-)

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    Hot off the presses, and from the best in the biz. Obama up 49-45. That makes three pollsters in a row to show him up in Texas.

    The Republican Party is neither pro-republic nor pro-party. Discuss!

    by Nathaniel Ament Stone on Mon Feb 25, 2008 at 08:06:48 PM PDT

  •  Latinos (1+ / 0-)

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    shiobhan

    There has been a surge in the last few days in Latinos for Obama.  Obama has a great GOTV effort and over the weekend had houseparties followed by a trip to early vote.

  •  I'm still reading! (2+ / 0-)

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    shiobhan, petral

    I love it when we put the bullshit aside and just look at the data.

    There are people who say, "If music's that easy to write, I could do it." Of course they could, but they don't. - John Cage

    by RoscoeOfAlabama on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 08:38:40 PM PDT

    •  I thought the bullshit was the data! (0+ / 0-)

      Sorry, I'm still reeling from NH. Man, if only voters had stuck to the numbers this thing could have been over before it got nasty.

      •  Well, that was bad data. (0+ / 0-)

        They were using outdated polling models, and everyone assumed that independents would vote overwhelmingly in the Democratic primary (despite plenty of evidence to the contrary).

        You can always cherrypick polls to say whatever bullshit you want, but once you get into this level of analysis, it's harder to just make shit up.

        There are people who say, "If music's that easy to write, I could do it." Of course they could, but they don't. - John Cage

        by RoscoeOfAlabama on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 08:17:43 AM PDT

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  •  I am quickly becoming a big fan of our youngest (1+ / 0-)

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    Neon Vincent

    data analysis expert. Hats off to you too. Very, very nice analysis.

    Please, PLEASE consider pursuing quantitative science when you graduate from high school; I can only predict, based upon all the data I have seen to date, that you have quite a career ahead of you, should you pursue this. Seriously.

    I've seen junior and senior level undergraduates with less of a quantitative mind than you have.

    America needs scientists of your caliber. Seriously.

    You don't live in the New York area do you?

    ~Doc~

    -7.88 -8,77 Just a wine sipping, brie eating, $6 coffee drinking, Prius driving, over educated, liberal, white, activist, male New Englander for Barack Obama.

    by EquationDoc on Tue Feb 26, 2008 at 09:43:12 PM PDT

  •  Too late to tip or rec (0+ / 0-)

    but very good diary

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