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TinPlated CryptoNazi -- Good riddance

Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 10:59:09 PM PDT

Rather than waste thought or effort on his vile life, I've chosen to give the proper level of respect for this particular departed sod: I've scavenged wantonly a couple dozen remarks from elsewhere around the blogosphere:

  • "... gave wit a bad name."

  • "Vidal nailed it...  he wasn't anything more than a tin-plated crypto-nazi.  He almost had a stroke when Vidal nailed him with that one. The truth hurts."
  • "he was the purveyor of a despicable morally bankrupt and pragmatically ridiculous political ideology that was pretty much guaranteed to lead us into exactly the kind of superdupermegaclusterfuck we are now experiencing."
  • "We are richer for having lost him. (hat tip to The Simpsons' Patti & Selma)"


Enough?  Hell, we're just getting started...

  • "rot in hell.  You got there forty years too late."

  • "A truly vile man, with a despicable career, who willingly, cynically chose to work for the destruction of America’s public life and for those who labor - and have in large part succeded - to overthrow our Constitutional system."
  • "Ah, the condescending prep-school Republican. He was a walking stereotype."
  • "than a bad case of halitosis . . . "
  • "Did I mention no sense of humor? None."
  • "Loathesome, and now dead."
  • "a supercilious, pompous jerk."
  • "It did seem in the last couple of years that he had finally started to figure out that conservatives shouldn't actually govern, that they were more comportable sniping from the sidelines.

    Took him nearly 80 years to finally get that right. The man was really slow."

  • "What I recall of his tainted logic was an interview of him published in Playboy sometime in the late `60s or very early `70s, in which the interviewer asked him his opinions on recreational drugs. When he said that he had tried grass, but it didn't do anything for him, the interviewer sort of leapt at the next question, which went, roughly: "since you're such a believer in law and order, how did you feel about breaking the law in order to experiment with marijuana?"

    His answer was very illuminating. He said, "ah, but, I didn't break the law. I smoked it on my sailboat out past the three-mile limit."

    The interviewer went on to another topic, but, I read that and thought, 'very convincing, and yet, it's deceptive. The crime isn't use, but, rather, possession. Unless he had it helicoptered in to him from Mexico while hovering outside the territorial limit, he had to have acquired it in the U.S. and brought it with him.'

    This is the way conservatives invariably think, and it's the substance of their illogical approach to law and society."

  • "(He once wrote)

    "Everyone detected with AIDS should be tatooed in the upper forearm, to protect common-needle users, and on the buttocks, to prevent the victimization of other homosexuals."

    I understand that, after hearing that a friend of his, the odious Roy Cohn, had contracted AIDS, he changed his mind. Fair enough, but most of us sober up and think better of our most repellent ideas before publishing them in the first place.

    Spectacularly rotten judment combined with a gratuitously violent nastiness. Those are his most influential bequests to the conservative movement. And every day they do homage to these character traits, and indeed, to his entire enormous legacy of pretentious snobbery, bigotry, homophobia, and stupidity.

    I would tell you what I really think of him but I thought I would go easy today."

  • "Uh uh theeeeeuh,, uh qawestion iz uh, uh, iz uh not not,, uh not what one say’s uh uh but uh what itiz one uh uh, uh does in the mattuh uh uh of discretionry issuues uh uh that is to saay uh uh......"
  • "Someone as supposedly brilliant as him should be considered even more culpable than all of his supposedly less-brilliant heirs for espousing a morally decrepit and pragmatically batshit insane conservative ideology, precisely because he should have seen more clearly than his followers where this ideology would lead."
  • "In the end the ideological children he begat turned out to be monsters. Gargoyles who have now fully taken over his cathedral, shit in the holy water and used its cross to build a bonfire onto which they have hurled just about everything he held dear."
  • "all of the seeds of hate, spew, lies, death, suffering, destruction, and misery were present in the early conservative ideology given loudest primary voice by him. The fact that he was personally clever, witty, intelligent, eloquent, and an all-around nice guy who always bought a round at the local watering hole doesn't change the fact that he planted, watered, and nurtured these seeds.
    "
  • "He was an articulate and rather disingenuous man, one who truly was a bit off his rocker.

    Anyone who watched him on television, flicking his tongue almost like a rattlesnake and rapidly blinking his eyes, couldn't doubt he was a bit unbalanced and simply enjoyed conflict and argument for their own sake.

    He was a vital part of what critic Robert Hughes has called "America's culture of complaint."

    The culture of complaint is one in which the combat is enjoyed for its own sake with little meaningful discussion happening and little desire to achieve understanding or change.

    It is a verbal form of Rome’s gladiator battles, and just about as intellectually meaningful.

    His television show also frequently put up debaters who were supposed to represent two sides of an issue but, to the observant watcher, clearly did not. That is to say, he often loaded the dice.

    Further note on his infamous exchange with Gore Vidal many years ago on American television, tapes of which the American network likely will never release or has destroyed out of fear of lawsuits.

    Vidal did call him a "crypto-nazi," a personal attack which at least had the merit of being about politics (as well as being true).

    He called Vidal "faggot" on national television, a personal remark having nothing to do with politics and revealing very clearly the kind of prejudice that motivated him.

    He had no class, except an assumed fake-quasi-British accent which he managed to permanently acquire from a short stay in Britain.

    The man was a fraud, a second-rate intellect, and not especially ethical."

  • "This man's instincts told him blacks and whites should be segregated. It took about a decade and then he changed his mind. That's how I'll remember this first class bigot.."
  • "So who will now becomes the archetype of 'Pompous Ass'?"

Too harsh?  Hardly.  This was his handiwork in 1957:

The central question that emerges... is whether the White community in the South is entitled to take such measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically? The sobering answer is Yes--the White community is so entitled because, for the time being, it is the advanced race. It is not easy, and it is unpleasant, to adduce statistics evidencing the median cultural superiority of White over Negro: but it is fact that obtrudes, one that cannot be hidden by ever-so-busy egalitarians and anthropologists.

This is using every mechanism of logic and rhetoric to aid and abet racism and segregation, then claiming it is for the greater good.  If written by a lesser mind, it'd be vile.  From him, it's odious to a fault.  More so because it was written just a dozen years after WWII.  The bastard literally became a walking, breathing, vivid counterpoint to Godwin's law, my anachronism notwithstanding.  Read his essay and tell me: knowing what he knew and coming from the era and his 1940's European schooling, how can one shy away from tying his name with that of racial superiority's other vile proponents?  To invert an old Irish blessing, I hope the devil knew his time had come before his soul got out from behind that desk.

(written for 43sb.com, crossposted here because too many progressives blogged praising this SOB)

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  •  It was sickening to hear pundits (7+ / 0-)

    on TV today lie about how "civil" and "decent" he was.

  •  A long-winded... (6+ / 0-)

    ...pompous, irritating, self important CryptoNazi with a good vocabulary.

  •  Well. (0+ / 0-)

    You're a real charmer, aren't you?

    "Go well through life"-Me (As far as I know)

    by MTmofo on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 11:08:51 PM PDT

    •  Sorry you disagree (5+ / 0-)

      But I'm curious... do you think he deserves praise (despite the massive damage he wreaked to the human condition by his sophistry as a prop for so much regressive oligarchy and elitism)?  Or do you just wish I didn't speak ill of the dead?

      But please don't tell me he deserves praise simply because he was brilliant.  Because I'm a fan of good prose.  Hell, I've got a bad reputation for a prolix way when I forget myself.  I respect what he was capable of.  And yet, as John Kenneth Galbraith said: "Everybody knows that William Buckley is a master of words. It is only the use to which he puts them that restrains one’s enthusiasm."

      The damage he did just destroys any chance I'll speak well of him.

      •  I just wish you didn't speak ill of the dead. (2+ / 0-)

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        TAPayne, Coach Jay

        There are plenty of living people that deserve this kind of scorn.

        Basic decency isn't conditional, and this is a tenet of basic decency.  

        You've lowered yourself considerably here, and us along with you.

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        by spotDawa on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 12:14:57 AM PDT

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        •  And I wish Wellstone's funeral wasn't abused (4+ / 0-)

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          So... guess that makes us even.

          After all, my teensy insignificant diary is so much like that debacle, both in scope and egregiousness and long-term impact.

          While we're at it, let's talk Coretta King's funeral.

          Or is there a good archtype of the mighty wingnut wurlitzer being respectful of the death of a liberal icon you'd like to choose from?

          As I've told another concerned and sympathetic soul here, collecting a bit of rage at all his damage was my GOAL.  Sorry you disagree with the methodology, but the man was a rat bastard that did more to harm our nation in his life than anyone I can think of, and in grabbing these quotes from here and there, I found plenty of people voicing identical sentiment.  And he wasn't some doddering fool -- he was a talented, elitist SOB.  So, hell no!  I am not going to 'gracefully' sit by while the wingnuts and pundits get at their canonization of him.

          Insomnia be damned; I'm going to bed.  This tut-tutting is just silly.

          •  You lower yourself to their level. (3+ / 0-)

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            Keep on using evil as your standard, and you'll be just as twisted as the people you are referring to.

            When it comes to basic decency, you don't look around first to see what the idiots are doing.  You just do the right thing.

            But you're right, this is silly.  You already know it, just chose to act on your emotion instead of your good judgment.  You can do better!

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            by spotDawa on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 12:52:29 AM PDT

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            •  You profoundly misread me (1+ / 0-)

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              First, bite me for even remotely insinuating that what I've done is 'their level'.

              Second, I can mock a rat bastard (dead or alive) and keep my integrity and immortal soul intact.  I checked the warranty info on my left heel and it says so right in paragraph 16-B.  Or is that foot fungus...

        •  may he rest in peace then (1+ / 0-)

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          and hitler too

  •   a dose of reality is always welcome (6+ / 0-)

    I remember reading a collected edition of some conservative works called "Have You Ever Seen a Dream Walking" that he put together.

    It turned me off of conservatives forever.

    To bad there is no deity to punish him; the FSM is, unfortunately, benevolent toward all. :-)

    When liberals saw 9-11, we wondered how we could make the country safe. When conservatives saw 9-11, they saw an investment opportunity.

    by onanyes on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 11:10:58 PM PDT

  •  If I hear one more obit of praise (8+ / 0-)

    I will retch - the scum was Ann Coulter born with a trust fund.

    His long career was one of being wrong about everything, and having excuses made for him.

    We are powerless to act in cases of oral-genital intimacy unless it obstructs interstate commerce. - J. Edgar Hoover

    by tiponeill on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 11:11:02 PM PDT

  •  and how is a (3+ / 0-)

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    vitrolic rant steeped in personal animosity productive in disputing positions, ideals or reprecussions of same? is it a demonstration of any semblence of credible refutation? vilification doesnt open any meaningful discourse to forment an open discussion amonst those whom one might have felt misrepresented a body of work, it just comes off as a petty swipe at a corpse and wont alter any opinions, just draw empty cheers and jeers for their own sake, too bad it could have been so much more than a reenforcement of engrained opinions on both sides based on the amount of research someone put into it

    please pardon the poor keyboarding, i can never decide which two of my ten thumbs to use, so hopefully some of you are fluent in Typo

    by TAPayne on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 11:30:43 PM PDT

    •  great snark! (1+ / 0-)

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      bottsimons

      And I'm speaking on behalf of the entire advanced race.

      (0+ / 0-), (0+ / 0-), it's off to kos I go...

      by doorguy on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 11:41:33 PM PDT

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      •  i must have missed the advanced part (1+ / 0-)

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        spotDawa

        i wont defend the object of this diary, but i cant laude its methodology in the least

        please pardon the poor keyboarding, i can never decide which two of my ten thumbs to use, so hopefully some of you are fluent in Typo

        by TAPayne on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 11:54:15 PM PDT

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    •  Horsefeathers (3+ / 0-)

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      Undue praise needs countering.

      What you see isn't my vitriol, though I agree with it.  And the rants do serve a purpose.  Think of them as 20-plus soundbites for use around the water cooler.

      I'm countering the syncophancy of pundits and a few progressives.  They admire the wordsmith, but forget that he used it to do arguably more damage even than Reagan himself.

      Unspeakable abuse of talent needs to not go unremarked.  Just because you're charismatic or a great athlete or a master of words doesn't get you a free pass into a pleasant hereafter.  And given the politicization by conservatives of Wellstone and Reagan, I'm not going to stand idly by and not collect a sweet anthology of ammo for progressives to use if the next few weeks see the same for this f***er.  This collection is to remind everyone what a bastard he was.  To defend his vile reputation.  To counter the noise machine.  And to mock the pundits that are falling over themselves to say he was such a lordly nice guy.

      •  it does when that counter is productive (1+ / 0-)

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        spotDawa

        Undue praise needs countering

        rather than just pandering to ones lesser nature

        please pardon the poor keyboarding, i can never decide which two of my ten thumbs to use, so hopefully some of you are fluent in Typo

        by TAPayne on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 11:50:42 PM PDT

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    •  Persuasive argument (2+ / 0-)

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      is NOT the only reason to talk.  If it were, there would be no obituaries.

      Given that plenty of people said positive things, I think a good dose of reality is helpful.  Buckley was an influential man, and it is important to point out the bad ways in which he used his influence.

      •  yes it is , when will we see something (1+ / 0-)

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        Buckley was an influential man, and it is important to point out the bad ways in which he used his influence

        along those lines

        please pardon the poor keyboarding, i can never decide which two of my ten thumbs to use, so hopefully some of you are fluent in Typo

        by TAPayne on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 11:52:12 PM PDT

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        •  Um... in my link to his '57 post? (1+ / 0-)

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          I broke out of bulleted lists of others' comments only twice.  The second one says "Too Harsh" and then the word 'Hardly', which LINKS to Buckley's writing.

          To spare you the click, I even pulled in a quote.

          When you're done, go up a dozen comments and watch Buckley resort to ad hominem and threatening to smack Gore Vidal on a Youtube link I've embedded in another comment.

          Dig a bit.  You're making me regret arguing with you about this, considering how easy it is to find examples of his using his considerable talent for goals that have done so much harm to our country.

          Like I said, I'm not writing a careful negative history of the scumbag.  I'm pissin' on the guy's grave as well as can be done from 1600 miles away.  If you want a reasoned treatise, write it your own damn self.  I sure as heck won't read it BECAUSE I ALREADY KNOW HE WAS A BASTARD.  But hey, knock yourself out.

          •  i never refuted your premise, just your method (1+ / 0-)

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            please pardon the poor keyboarding, i can never decide which two of my ten thumbs to use, so hopefully some of you are fluent in Typo

            by TAPayne on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 12:05:09 AM PDT

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            •  You ignored the premise and the proof (2+ / 0-)

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              KenBee, bottsimons

              when you asked 'and when will we see...'.

              Tomato, Tomahto.

              BTW, ten minutes on 43sb is recommended if you need clarification about or blog's MO.  Coming from the
              reddest region of the reddest state in the US, we're
              quite familiar with all the methods one can use to
              combat bad wingnut rhetoric.  We choose to sharpen sticks and poke wingnuts with 'em.  Sensible rhetoric doesn't work well when dealing with the utter f***wits of Idaho's wingnut extreme.  Besides, there are several other fine blogs that fill the niche of reasoned debate quite nicely.

              You've obviously mistaken my essay for something it was never intended to be.  Like your sublime Mr Cleaver (snort, giggle), I did this because sometimes barking at the moon is a valid response.

              Watching Greenwald and Driftglass wax sentimental was just too much to let pass.  I mean, read this insipid drivel off Driftglass:

              And there is no better word I know of to describe being forced to witness the arc of your own movement's glorious rise and massive, ignominious collapse than "tragedy".

              Hey, Drift, several words and phrases come to my mind... Comeuppance.  Karma.  Ironic.  STBWFB.

              •  no i definately just knocked the way you did it (0+ / 0-)

                please pardon the poor keyboarding, i can never decide which two of my ten thumbs to use, so hopefully some of you are fluent in Typo

                by TAPayne on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 12:31:43 AM PDT

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              •  Geeze Louise you scared me (1+ / 0-)

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                I thought they got Driftglass...

                In the end the ideological children Buckley begat turned out to be monsters. Gargoyles who have now fully taken over his cathedral, shit in the holy water and used its cross to build a bonfire onto which they have hurled just about everything he held dear.

                 but whew, he's still the best.
                  As a master wordsmith I can understand his admiration for WFB, just that I don't agree...WFB was a dick.Erudite, or some such horseshit, but a fake and a brilliant dick.

                •  Drift's tone of absolution is where I disagree (1+ / 0-)

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                  More than you perhaps, I utterly disagree with Drift's painting him as tragic.  Or the way the quote you used lets him build a figurative cathedral that his followers tear down.  That implies nobility I just don't see.

                  Sailing rhapsodic without a compass is tragic.  Using one's talents like Buckley did isn't a tragedy but an abuse.  I spend most of my life gently tucking a rather fat vocabulary under the proverbial bushel so it doesn't get me into trouble.  And one of the more subtle ways it gets me into trouble is when it interferes with others' reasoned responses.  Wordsmiths and smart people without my vocabulary can be distracted and sometimes people with a lesser vocabulary take any message they want without understanding the nuance.  We're stuck with Tweety, Pantload, Oxycontin and the shrieking harpy sisters in large part because of the vile groundwork laid by him and because Buckley's effort legitimized so many of their bad ideas: he cultivated a legion of dittoheads for them to inherit and for Rupert Murdoch to further debase.

                  Tragedy?  No.  Wrongheadedness ending badly is something kids start to grasp by kindergarten or sooner.  And in my book, a lifetime of sophistry writ large like this deserves an exemption from ever being forgiven.  He was an elitist who dedicated his considerable talents to gumming up the works of humanity.  The only tragedy I see looks more like a greek tragedy: everyone dies and the protagonist has to endure the chain reaction caused by his massive fuckup in acts 1 and 2.

                  Best analogy?  Leni Riefenstahl.  

                  Appropriate literary genre: Morality Play.

                  My real wish?  That he could have gotten the final Act of Reifenstahl's life: decades of having seen one's brittle cathedral of shit collapsed and of being tarred with the ignominity of being the last surviving cultural architect of the most infamous generation since the dawn of history.  Fifty years of universal public scorn might tone down my bellicosity one notch.

            •  Huh?? (3+ / 0-)

              Just ONE comment above, you implied that the diarist hadn't given a single example of Buckley's bad ways.  When the diarist pointed out that in fact he did give examples, now you say your problem is with his method?

              Sad stuff.

  •  When he had Eldrige Cleaver on Firing Line (2+ / 0-)

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    right after the publication of Soul on Ice, he went off on one of his signature harangues, telling EC how he had done such terrible things to the country.  Eldridge just sat for a moment and replied "well, I'm glad to be of service to you."

    •  yes, EC's sublime wit was striking (1+ / 0-)

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      "

      'well, I'm glad to be of service to you."

      especially in this instance, you can bet it had more effect on buckley and his viewers than giving him the finger would have if you get my meaning

      please pardon the poor keyboarding, i can never decide which two of my ten thumbs to use, so hopefully some of you are fluent in Typo

      by TAPayne on Wed Feb 27, 2008 at 11:57:43 PM PDT

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  •  Hooray for rants! (4+ / 0-)

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    Not just ammo, but think of the money you just saved on counseling. ;)

    I didn't realize Bunky keeled over (been busy the last few days), but it didn't take me long to work it out. Could only describe one a-hole.

    I think the world is probably a slightly better place.

    •  A swamp of cliches. (3+ / 0-)

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      With a few nattering souls keep tut tutting about my negativity and disrespect for the dead, I actually enjoyed the way these rants hit on so many 'oh, that's got to be Buckley' cliches.

      FWIW, my favorite quote is one I left out of the diary itself -- Galbraith once said "Everybody knows that William Buckley is a master of words. It is only the use to which he puts them that restrains one’s enthusiasm."

      •  Telling quote. I enjoyed it (see rec?) (2+ / 0-)

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        I think part of the subtext here may be that certain cultures, and this includes many Amer. Indian tribes, avoid speaking negatively of the dead, under any circumstance, for a period of time after death, even when they really, really, were awful. I can't personally bring myself to do it. Though I enjoyed the plethora of quotes.

  •  I'm sorry he's dead (3+ / 0-)

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    but I can't say that he ever contributed much of value to the national debate.

    He filled a niche--the need for conservatives to appear intellectually respectable. His job was to dress reactionary garbage up in erudite-sounding, pompous jargon that would impress people who didn't know any better. In that sense he's the forerunner of think-tank Republicans like Bill Kristol.

    He was Rush Limbaugh with a bigger vocabulary and a better tailor. The reason that he wasn't as vile as Limbaugh was that there were standards of civil discourse expected of public figures in Buckley's day--standards which conservatives largely eroded.

    For such an educated, articulate man, there was very little humane about Buckley.

    •  This is false... (1+ / 0-)

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      Buckley had principles - the modern right-wing crowd has none. Hannity, Limbaugh et. al. just want the right-wing to win by any means necessary.

      Buckley could have aligned with the other right-wingers of the time (the John Birch society and/or the KKK) to increase his power/importance. He didn't.

      The Hannity crowd doesn't care whether Iraq and out of control spending bankrupt the country, because all they care about is bamboozling the public. They are cheerleaders, not thinkers...

      Buckley complained when Republicans abandoned conservative principles.

      WFB is getting a bad rap here. Compared to the current Bush crowd, he is a prince among men.

      [this is not to say that he was right about much of anything]

  •  If I weren't too lazy (3+ / 0-)

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    I had an idea of a diary along these lines. Thanks for giving me one less reason to do it. This comment will suffice.

    What is it with everybody subscribing to these memes of William Effin Buckley being the great intellectual.  Or George Effin Will. Or Antonin Fucking Scalia being a 'great legal mind'. Pfeh. Thanks for not making me actually phrase this coherently.

    Touche.

  •  Fire and Ice (2+ / 0-)

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    Some say the world will end in fire,
    Some say in ice.
    From what I've tasted of desire
    I hold with those who favor fire.
    But if it had to perish twice,
    I think I know enough of hate
    To say that for destruction ice
    Is also great
    And would suffice.

    -Robert Frost

    When it comes down to it,
    there is no difference between Conservative Hate,
    and Liberal Hate.  When all we can do is hate,
    and destroy, we are ALL evil.

  •  In the End He Looked like a 240 lb Melanoma (1+ / 0-)

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    Only his character was more malignant.

  •  Buckley said Bush is not a conservative (0+ / 0-)

    This in 2006:

    "I think Mr. Bush faces a singular problem best defined, I think, as the absence of effective conservative ideology — with the result that he ended up being very extravagant in domestic spending, extremely tolerant of excesses by Congress," Buckley says. "And in respect of foreign policy, incapable of bringing together such forces as apparently were necessary to conclude the Iraq challenge."

    Asked what President Bush's foreign policy legacy will be to his successor, Buckley says "There will be no legacy for Mr. Bush. I don't believe his successor would re-enunciate the words he used in his second inaugural address because they were too ambitious. So therefore I think his legacy is indecipherable"

    Would Limbaugh, Hannity et. al talk like this?

  •  way to show your maturity! (0+ / 0-)

    I am relatively new here, but I am starting to wonder if what the right says about the dailykos community is true.  Are you guys just a bunch of whiney pimple faced teens?   Because posts like this make me believe you are!

    Regardless wether or not you agreed with what he said, William F. Buckley was not a murderer, or tyrant, he was a political writer.  Politics is a matter of opinion and if you believe someone should die simply because of their opinion, you are even more deserving of the same fate you wished on that person (to the best of my knowledge William F. Buckley never wished death upon anyone).

    •  Anything substantive to say? (0+ / 0-)

      'Cuz if not, you're the very whiny dweeb you called me.  Stretch those intellectual muscles and stop thinking that pontificating about how your narrow values somehow makes you superior without substantiation.

      Between murder and sainthood are a remarkable spectrum of values and sins.  Founding the renaissance of a movement responsible for policies that have had devastating consequences for hundreds of thousands of people is worth what I collected.  I might give benefit of the doubt to trolls like Ann Coulter, but the overwhelming consensus believes he knew better.  And in my religion, the sins cost more if done by someone that should recognize the harm they're inflicting.

      And when he lost his temper he was a mysogynistic, gay-bashing, anti-semitic SOB.

      I've tried nice.  And there is a very-red line politically that one can approach and still garner my politeness and respect.  I've tried fighting back.  The latter serves as deterrence to hyperconservative rat bastards, pushes the pendulum back, and is gratifying.  So either calm me down with a reasoned defense of the good deeds of the late Willie Buckley Junior and his trustfund.  Or get out of my face.  And just maybe you should reexamine what got you here and ask how a milquetoast like yourself has any right to tell anyone what to believe or how to act.  Because if you just got here and your first reaction is to dictate dkos comportment, you're still not mad enough.  Which tells me you're still not paying attention enough, either.

    •  Nobody wished (0+ / 0-)

      death on him,

      just honestly glad to see him go.

      There's no use hiding what is in
      our hearts, God knows what's in
      our hearts anyway.

      There's a lot of kind, loving,
      wonderful people dying every day
      who spend their lives struggling for
      justice,fairness, peace, and
      understanding. When they pass away,
      I feel loss and sadness.

      But this man stood in the way
      of those who dream of building
      a better world.

      So, good to have him out of the way.  

      He was so pompous, I'm sure he couldn't
      care less what us little people think.

      He was a scrooge. So we dance on his grave.

  •  Thanks..... (0+ / 0-)

    I enjoyed your obituary.  My spouse asked what the blog thought of the passing of Buckley and I tag searched and shared your diary.

    You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

    by murrayewv on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 08:53:58 AM PDT

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