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Don't Get Fooled Again

Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 02:30:52 PM PDT

After eight years of disastrous Bush-Republican policies, America is reeling. Still at war, moving into a deep recession, saddled with crushing debt, Americans face the most important election for president in generations.

In this environment, the most important thing Democrats and progressives can do is to unite in support of our common goal: Reversing the damage done by George Bush and the Republicans. In this environment, the worst thing we can do is to fight each other. But that is exactly the threat presented by the recently announced candidacy of Ralph Nader.

Nader’s candidacy has a special meaning to me – because his new running mate, former San Francisco Board of Supervisors’ President, Matt Gonzalez, was my opponent in 2003 when I first ran for mayor.

As a matter of history, Democrats know that Ralph Nader is potentially strong enough to push some swing states into the Republican column. As a matter of personal experience, I know that Matt Gonzalez will help Nader help the Republicans.

Simply put, for the sake of America’s future, the Nader-Gonzalez ticket must be considered and challenged as the very real threat it is.

If I had to make an educated guess, I would bet that Matt Gonzalez’s name ID outside of San Francisco is somewhere south of zero. But the fact is, Matt Gonzalez is a dynamic and accomplished politician who will bring both a charming charisma and a steely discipline to the Nader effort.

When Matt ran for Mayor, he was able to attract both the enthusiasm of young voters and the money of many developers who didn’t like my stands on their projects. He jumped into the race late, even though both a strong gay candidate and a progressive woman were already running credible campaigns – and he beat them.

Matt is a smart, tough and ruthless campaigner who will help make the Nader ticket just effective enough to be dangerous. I respect my fellow San Franciscan as an opponent. I respect him as a thinker. And I like and respect him as a person.

But what Matt Gonzalez and Ralph Nader are doing to our nation is beyond divisive – it is dangerous. Every progressive and Democrat needs to recognize that in the Nader-Gonzalez candidacy, we gain nothing but have everything to lose.

Eight years ago, Ralph Nader launched a symbolic campaign based on the notion, as he so famously argued, that "There is no difference between Al Gore and George Bush." Enough voters agreed with him to cost Gore the election.

The consequences of Nader’s candidacy are felt every day that Bush’s terrible Iraq War drags on. They are felt every time another family loses their home to foreclosure. And they are felt every time another American gets sick because he or she couldn’t afford even basic health care.

Today, as in 2000, there IS a difference. And this difference has only grown as the Republicans continue their rush to the far right while the Democratic party has grown bolder and more progressive – thanks largely to the strength of the netroots.

That’s why there can be no greater imperative for Democrats and progressives than uniting behind the party’s nominee. Now is the time for us to take a stand against the irresponsible and dangerous threat of the Nader-Gonzalez campaign. Now is the time to work together so we can win back the White House. Now is the time for a united front so that we may begin, finally, to reverse the incredible damage done to our country and our world by eight years of George Bush and Republican leadership.

Tags: Al Gore, 2000 elections, Ralph Nader, Matt Gonzales, 2008 elections, Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Florida, Recount, president, primaries (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  I worked for you on your 2003 campaign (7+ / 0-)

    Gonzo has become a joke, the only thing left to decide is who can mock his candidacy the best.

    That said, thanks for coming by Mr. Mayor. And yes, I'm sure everyone here will unite behind Obama.

  •  Are you switching to Obama then, Mr. Mayor? (5+ / 0-)

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  •  I would take Gonzo seriously... (8+ / 0-)

    If he was not attached to that joke on the top of the ticket.

    "You know, God bless him, bless his heart, president of the United States, a total failure."

    by RandySF on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 02:36:28 PM PDT

  •  Mayor, while you are here.... (1+ / 0-)

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    zdefender

    Have to made an endorsement for the open seat in my home District 3?

    "You know, God bless him, bless his heart, president of the United States, a total failure."

    by RandySF on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 02:38:28 PM PDT

  •  I take him seriously (1+ / 0-)

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    coffeeinamrica

    Mr. Gonzalez has already been touted as a credible voice on Obama's lack of progresive cred to rabid Clinton supporters who are disinclined to support Obama at the moment.

    http://www.talkleft.com/...

  •  Nader's popular vote: 2000, 2.74%. '04, 0.38% (12+ / 0-)

    Americans have woken up to the fact that their vote actually matters. No one believes Nader when he says there is no difference between the Dems and Repubs. He'll have his hands full trying to beat out the Peace and Freedom Party candidate.

    The plural of anecdote is not data.

    by bobinson on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 02:42:17 PM PDT

  •  Please repeat what you said on KFOG this a.m. (4+ / 0-)

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    navajo, coffeeinamrica, madgranny, toddpw

    Slightly off topic to this diary, but could you repeat what you said about the elevated terror levels leading up to the 2004 Presidential election?

    My Karma just ran over your Dogma

    by FoundingFatherDAR on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 02:42:54 PM PDT

  •  Mayor Newsom will you oppose Rent Control repeal? (1+ / 0-)

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    EdSF

    What's your position on Proposition 98?

    NetrootNews coming soon!

    by ksh01 on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 02:43:43 PM PDT

  •  I am a SF resident (0+ / 0-)

    Hello Mr. Mayor,
    I had hoped to try and recruit Mr. Gonzales as a replacement for Speaker Pelosi Help me hold Pelosi Accountable and My Letter to Speaker Pelosi. I believe he has the name recognition, background, and reputation to be an ideal representative for us. I fear that this run will tarnish his prospects in the future by angering democrats. Obama is no Kerry.

  •  Mayor, I voted for you (6+ / 0-)

    And what you did to Obama on Super Tuesday enraged me.  You went out of your way to try to hurt Obama in the most leveraged way possible.  At a time before his nomination was certain.

    So, I just want you to know, I will never forgive you.  Or support any candidacy by you, for anything, ever.

    •  since i live in SC and didn't follow Ca's primary (5+ / 0-)

      closely (other than the results) what did he do on Super Tuesday?

      •  On Feb 5 (3+ / 0-)

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        ksh01, AmericanRiverCanyon, SDuvall

        This was published.

        I have many comments to make about the mayor's own personal behavior, but I will not make them in his diary.  He knows what they are.  I just wanted to tell him directly and straightforwardly my feelings about what happened with him and Obama on Feb 5.  So I did.

        •  I don't hold it against him (1+ / 0-)

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          highacidity

          He followed DiFi, Dellums and the rest of the CA establishment in endorsing Hillary as they thought she was inevitable. As I overhead some say that night "The State of Clinton goes to California".

          "You know, God bless him, bless his heart, president of the United States, a total failure."

          by RandySF on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 03:00:41 PM PDT

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          •  I am just speaking for myself. (3+ / 0-)

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            Michiganliberal, EdSF, SDuvall

            That was my reaction.  I felt that it was unbelievably opportunistic, and that it was personal.  I think the clear intention was to paint Obama as anti-gay, since the issue with which Newsom is associated on a national scale (and where it would be relevant to Obama) is for same-sex marriage.  As we note in a recommended diary today with his open letter to the LGBT community, one of Obama's core principles is equality.  It is so intrinsic to who Obama is, what he is about, that I found the mayor's channeling this story through the local press to be offensive to the highest possible magnitude.  That was and is my honest personal reaction.  Intense anger toward Newsom for this petty crap.

            •  I am 100% with you (0+ / 0-)

              I could have moved past his endorsement of Clinton because he owed them for his 2003 win but I am gay and I was a volunteer for the Obama campaign and to leak that BS (By the way notice how the article didn't point out Clinton was not seen publicly with him in 2004 either) on the DAY OF THE ELECTION was despicable.
              Either the story was true and then it was a silly reason to resent him and he should have shared it earlier or then it was a last-minute dirty trick.
              Disgusting.

              •  You know, we're going to look back (0+ / 0-)

                on this primary season someday after Obama is president and actually have to explain to people who weren't paying attention that Obama winning the Democratic nomination was actually an incredibly difficult thing.

                They will say things like, this was a hard decision?  Democrats almost didn't pick this guy?  Were they insane?

                Because I think Obama is going to use the bully pulpit in some really beautiful ways.  I am not a gay man, I am not a black man, in fact I am in every category of majority there is, and I weep over and over listening to this guy.  This guy has such a genius with argument, and his soul is so righteous.  That is a powerful combination.

        •  Are you freakin' kidding me P-Nines?! (1+ / 0-)

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          Dori

          You have the arrogance, rudeness and nerve to even reference the mayor's personal behavior - here?!  You're a bit tetched, my friend...

          So glad St. Peter will be at the gates when I die instead of you, 'cuz Lord knows, I'd never get in!

          How do mere mortals, let alone God stand it, being in the presence of your brilliant, celestial perfection?

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        •  Maybe the Mayor has strong feelings (0+ / 0-)

          about integrity and principle.  Maybe since he stuck his neck so far out on gay marriage, that it almost got chopped-off, and with Dems having the privilege, that he prefers a little more consistency and spine!

          Read-up some Rev. Irene Monroe - just for a little spice to your usual reading...

          •  Take a look at the rec list right now (0+ / 0-)

            There's a diary which is mostly just Obama's letter to the LGBT community.

            At a time when his nomination is mostly sewn up, you would think he'd run toward the middle.  That the most opportune time to deliver such an open letter would be during the contested part of the primary, so as to secure the base of LGBT support, which tends to vote heavily Democratic.

            But he didn't.  Because he has a hell of a spine.  This is a man I have followed closely for a long time.  Obama has enormous integrity on the issues of equality and civil rights for all.  And he has spoken about it openly in some not-necessarily welcome environments.

            But there is something else that takes courage, and that is not demonizing those who hold view highly at odds with your own.  Obama's central goal is to change minds.  And to do that he has the recognition that people have to feel they are not being automatically dismissed.  That is at the core of his argument about our politics.  It's fragile because of the bombthrowers who want to rush into condemn him for even acknowledging the mere humanity of those he disagrees with.  And I am extremely protective of that fragility.  I thought the Reagan attacks were the most sickening thing I've seen this cycle, and that's saying a lot.  That "stings my soul" diary was probably the worst piece of shit ever posted.

            Because I have long known these things about Obama, I took the Newsom behavior on Feb 5 as particularly cynical an opportunistic.  It was an attempt to slide the dagger into Obama in San Francisco, where a huge LGBT population votes.  He has the right to do this.  But if he comes to this community and posts a diary, I reiterate my right to tell him directly, to his "face," so to speak, what I thought of it and what the consequences are.

            You can have a problem with it all you want.  You can launch multiple personal attacks on me as you have done, suggesting it's an immature reaction or that I'm arrogant, rude, blah blah blah.  That's your right.  That says a lot about you, not me.

            •  Um, well.... (0+ / 0-)

              First, re-read this part of what you just wrote...

              And to do that he has the recognition that people have to feel they are not being automatically dismissed.  That is at the core of his argument about our politics.  It's fragile because of the bombthrowers who want to rush into condemn him for even acknowledging the mere humanity of those he disagrees with.  And I am extremely protective of that fragility.

              Yes, I made one slight 'personal' attack ("tetched") not several, and I don't know you, so not much extent to 'personal.'

              I thought it was rude to attack the mayor on his 'personal life' in this space, which is supposed to be about the threat Nader/Gonzales could pose...

              Further, how does your 'bomb-throwing help discourse on any topic?  Just pricking your conscience to consider a different approach.

              •  What a liar. (0+ / 0-)

                You left out a few.  "Arrogance."  "Rudeness."  "Nerve."  "THAT sounds so very grown up."  Man, it's like you totally forgetted some!

                I don't know who you are, I don't have anything personal to say to or about you.  But launching that stuff in multiple posts and then claiming ignorance of it and pretending to the high ground... that's some very very rich coffee, in America.

              •  Oops, (0+ / 0-)

                I forgot this:

                So glad St. Peter will be at the gates when I die instead of you, 'cuz Lord knows, I'd never get in!

                How do mere mortals, let alone God stand it, being in the presence of your brilliant, celestial perfection?

                Man, it's almost like that is a personal attack or something!  It's almost like you unremembered it!

          •  Hillary (0+ / 0-)

            Nowhere in the story does it say Hillary went out of her way to greet Newsom in 2004. Because she didn't. No Democrat did. Not courageous on their part but let's not pretend Hillary was much better. Noone wanted anywhere near him in 2004.
            The fact the story only mentions Obama is just because it was a late-minute dirty trick.
            Period.

    •  Heh (4+ / 0-)

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      eugene, ksh01, AmericanRiverCanyon, EdSF

      Fat lotta good it did him: Obama won SF.

    •  THAT sounds so very grown-up. (0+ / 0-)

      Guess I'll have to see what was said that was sooo terrible.

      That wouldn't be how Sen. Obama would work across the aisle.

      •  False concept, particularly since you admit (1+ / 0-)

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        EdSF

        you don't know what happened.  It was a timing thing, timed for maximum damage in a closely fought race in California.  Newsom feels personal slight.  Doubtless many politicians fundraising in SF elected not to have their pictures taken with Newsom.  Good people like Jon Tester who has a gay son who nevertheless knows how to avoid an unforced error headache when the smear machine gets a hold of it in the direct mail.  But in the grown-up world of politics, Newsom is a big boy.  He knows this stuff.  And anyone paying attention knows Obama's commitment to civil rights.  So it was cheap and deliberate and a true low blow, to try and insinuate this stuff.

        Now, this is fully Newsom's right to do.  I am not saying he doesn't get to do this stuff.  But I thought it was responsible to tell him my genuine reaction to it.  Apparently Obama's campaign saw it the same way I do, because Newsom buried himself in their eyes.  Cheap shots are high risk ventures.

        Apparently, you believe, without even knowing the basis for my feelings, that you are fit to pass judgment on me for my reaction.  That sounds like the very definition of grown-up maturity, Dear Lecturer.

        •  I am indeed your dear lecturer... (0+ / 0-)

          At your service (bowing)

          But in the grown-up world of politics, Newsom is a big boy.  He knows this stuff.  And anyone paying attention knows Obama's commitment to civil rights.  So it was cheap and deliberate and a true low blow, to try and insinuate this stuff.

          Fine! Send him a letter, say it somewhere else, but here didn't seem to be the right, fair or decent place to me... I must correct you pupil, I was not passing judgement on you for your feelings.  

          And I still don't see how the mayor's personal life is of relevance.  Much like most personal behavior of most people we see in public life.

  •  Can you please switch jobs with Feinstein? (3+ / 0-)

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    decembersue, anotherdemocrat

    We don't really need her in the Senate.

    The plural of anecdote is not data.

    by bobinson on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 02:45:42 PM PDT

  •  I think it's a shame (11+ / 0-)

    that Matt decided to do this.  The candidacy is pointless and would appear as a negative on Matt's image on the long run.

    As described before here on DKos, the argument against Gonzales is the same as Nader: Where have you been all this time?  What have you done to improve the state of the country in the past 8 years?  How have you gained skills for foreign policy?  How have you proven to us that you're any better than the last failed run for office that we saw you the last time?

    You did not hold office.  You did not even run for office after your loss.  You did nothing in terms of leadership for your party.  Instead you just come with  a bunch of rhetoric with no proven results.  Don't waste our time as we have too much at stake.

    •  that is a terrific strategic observation (5+ / 0-)

      it's absolutely something that nader and gonzales share: where the hell've either of them been, and doing what, since their years-ago, self-imposed political exiles?

      Irreverence is the champion of liberty and its only sure defense. -Mark Twain

      by homo neurotic on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 02:52:00 PM PDT

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      •  Gonzalez has a law practice (3+ / 0-)

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        he's been busy.  I don't support his candidacy, but he's not the evil strawman Newsom makes him out to be.

        When Newson says "developers," he means people who wanted to build housing for actual poor people, not the "middle income/mixed income" housing Newsom favors, which is priced out of reach for low income folks who need it.

        NetrootNews coming soon!

        by ksh01 on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 03:15:31 PM PDT

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        •  Mixed income development is (1+ / 0-)

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          homo neurotic

          better in the long run for the poor who are mixed in but this is not the subject of the diary.

          The diary is saying that Nader and Gonzalez should not be ignored.  I agree with the point of the diarist no matter his opinion on development.

          You can't be the land of the free, if you aren't the home of the brave - The Wonder Moron

          by dogheaven on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 03:23:19 PM PDT

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    •  great point (4+ / 0-)

      it's just about running for office every few years. Look at Al gore, all he's doing without even running.

    •  It's quite easy to find out what Gonzalez has don (1+ / 0-)

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      ksh01

      but he has led suits against the San Francisco Hotel cartel, Clear Channel, and helped wage other progressive fights in the legal arena.

      I supported him for mayor.

      That said, I won't support him this time, and doubt many will.

      •  It's fine and dandy (0+ / 0-)

        but this is not work on a national level.  Where's the leadership?

        •  There is no Green Party national leadership (0+ / 0-)

          in which Gonzalez could operate.

          Additionally, this is why I, a Green Party member, think these every-4-years windmill chases are a waste of fucking time.

          The Green party works best when it works locally.

          In this, Gonzalez has been exemplary. He has fought local fights that have the potential to effect matters both locally and nationally.

          •  Which is the point (0+ / 0-)

            Why running on the Nader ticket when it won't accomplish anything at best and at worse could hurt the Democratic candidate and ruin his own reputation ... when he could spend that time on either building up a future run that he could have actually won in San Francisco OR continue his arguably good work that has been a positive influence on the community.
            Ego. That's all it is.

            •  That was what I was trying to say (0+ / 0-)

              in essence.

              Traditional Green Party politics, in Europe at least, was about building from the local up, rooting direct democracy, addressing local issues, winning local elections that were wonky, but had a real effect on local life.

              For some reason, segments of the American Green Party has it ass-backwards and wastes time and money every 4 years on a quixotic quest for the White House, in an attempt to "raise their profile" rather than doing the actual hard work of building a local party structure and contesting races that could be won.

              It is because of this I only donate to local Greens (and progressive Dems) and generally vote for Dems in national elections, Greens locally.

              Hmmmm, after writing all that, I'm wondering why I'm still a party member.

  •  Local greens and progressives are for Obama (0+ / 0-)

    I guess the people that know Matt best know that Obama's the choice. Hell his former campaign manager and now Supervisor is for Obama:

    http://www.gregdewar.com/...

    Matt did a great job screwing over local progressives, and his ego is so big, I guess running for VP is the only thing that makes sense for him.

    Few people will notice or care about an unfunded hippie candidacy so I'm not too worried. Oh and I notice that one MILLION people are now donors to the Obama campaign. Magical Matt couldn't get it up for a run for mayor - even after his pals passed laws to get government money for his campaign.

    http://www.gregdewar.com/...

  •  Gonzo has ruined his political future (3+ / 0-)

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    blogswarm, Mia Dolan, dogheaven

    "You know, God bless him, bless his heart, president of the United States, a total failure."

    by RandySF on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 02:56:12 PM PDT

  •  Dear Diary Author, or whoever posted this (3+ / 0-)

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    ... Dear Hapless Staffer,

    Please post a comment UNDER the diary as soon as possible after posting, as highly suggested by site etiquette.  This is an interactive website and this comment will be used as a tip jar to collect points which helps get recommends and helps the diary stay up longer, also, it helps weed out the hit and run posters who post controversial items and then never appear to defend their viewpoints.

    Since this is a Presidential Primary Candidate type of diary, I am strongly recomending you post at least a token comment so we don't see this commentary potentially deteriorate quickly from misintrepretations of your intent.  Obviously you don't want Nader and this Gonzalez person getting any votes, but I don't care if you really are the mayor of SF, this seems like some sort of half a$$ed endorsement of either HClinton and/or BObama, which is great, but if you don't want to start a feeding frenzy, I suggest you haul butt into here quickly and make a comment to the effect of "No I'm not endorsing a single candidate at this time but whomever wins a few more states, or the Primary, " or something to that effect.

    This is an unusual sitution.  Most Democrats despise the idea of Nader running again, that they would apreciate your knowlege of Gonzalez's stated viewpoints of Democratic platform points to further drive the point home.

    •  Our dear Mayor is in the pockets of the Clintons, (1+ / 0-)

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      AmericanRiverCanyon

      for now. No doubt he will set aside any silliness and support Obama when he becomes the nominee. Nader is weak, but Gonzalez... I predict he'll run as the Green candidate for President in 2012. 2008 is a name recognition building exercise.

      •  I really wish (1+ / 0-)

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        tbird

        Gonzalez wouldn't do this.

        He is a smart, talented, young, mediagenic fellow who, if he were willing, could be a terrific progressive addition to the House when Pelosi eventually retires.

        He would probably be able to take this seat, even as a Green, since Pelosi's district is missing some of the more moderate sections of San Francisco (which are in Lantos' old district) that blocked Gonzalez's bid for mayor in 2003.

  •  Thanks Mayor Newsom. Thank (1+ / 0-)

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    Dori

    you for your key part in moving the country toward gay marriage.  It will never be forgotten.

    I'd like to see you on the rec list, but since you have not endorsed Obama, and the rec list is pretty much Obama-only, I doubt you'll make it up there.

    Come back nevertheless.

    "To be afraid is to behave as if the truth were not true." -- Bayard Ruskin

    by Joelarama on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 03:10:38 PM PDT

  •  Afternoon, Mayor! (0+ / 0-)

    Nice to see this post by you - and a bit surprised.  

    Always good for us to not get too ahead of ourselves and giddy thinking of assured victory!

    Keep up the good work for our city and bounding above the local bs ;-)

    (Hey, when we win the White House, you think we can modify that Fed bldg. a little bit? It's so-so now and it ain't gonna age well.)

  •  Nader runs on being treated unfairly (2+ / 0-)

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    In 2004 he had zero message.  His entire campaign platform consisted of not being on the ballot in some states, and complaining about that fact. Law suits and posturing.

    WTF?  You have nothing to offer the country except a speech about why the process should be different for 3d party candidates?

    Nothing about civil liberties, climate change and the price of chocolate?

    Dogs have so many friends because they wag their tails instead of their tongues. -Anonymous

    by gloryous1 on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 03:11:34 PM PDT

  •  I don't know what Gonzalez thinks he's doing now (1+ / 0-)

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    ksh01

    but he was (once) a damn good candidate and would have made a damn good mayor of San Francisco.

    Sorry Gavin.

  •  I heard you on KFOG this morning (0+ / 0-)

    and I live in Madison, Wisconsin. You were right on. Keep up the good work.

    McCain's 3AM ad is really a Flomax commercial.

    by jhecht on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 03:45:53 PM PDT

  •  I repudiate my 2000 Nader vote in CA (0+ / 0-)

    Even though it was a "safe" state for Gore, I feel really bad for ever thinking that Gore was like Bush in any way. I think Gore's campaign failed to inspire young people, but a campaign is not the same thing as a presidency. I have been an Edwards supporter this time around, but I will vote for any Democrat in the general election because I don't think America will survive another Republican. I think 3rd parties are an excuse not to put the hard work necessary into reforming the existing ones.

    The modern news media draws half its power from coils placed around the spinning in Edward R. Murrow's grave.

    by aigeanta on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 03:59:22 PM PDT

  •  Gavin, this Diary is Such a Fucking Joke!! (1+ / 0-)

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    ksh01

    The Nader-Gonzalez ticket is a threat??  COME ON!!  Even you don't believe your own bullshit, Gavin!

    Nobody takes Ralph Nader seriously anymore.  He wasn't a factor in 2004, and will be even less of a factor in 2008.  We now have an inspiring Democratic candidate -- who BTW you did not endorse, Hillary supporter!! -- who will be our nominee.

    I wouldn't lose sleep over Nader and Gonzalez, and the best way to deal with this problem is to ignore them.  Seriously.  No one will care in a few hours.

    You're just using Matt Gonzalez's entry as an excuse to grab media attention.  Because that's all you are ... a Mayor who governs by press release.

    And Gavin, before you keep condemning the War in Iraq, why didn't you vote for the 2002 Resolution at the SF Board of Supervisors that opposed the War?  You and Tony Hall were the only 2 Supervisors to oppose it!!

  •  As a 10 year SF resident (4+ / 0-)

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    ksh01, steve04, island empire, turthlover

    I would like to say the following:

    1. I did not vote for Mayor Newsom and even attended Gonzalez's party on election night.
    1. Gonzalez has now lost all credibility with me and I have lost all respect for him.
    1. Newsom has never had my respect and doesn't now.
    1. Gonzalez would have been a better mayor than Newsom.
    1. Newsom is in the pocket of the Clintons.
    1. I supported Tom Ammiano against Brown in 99. I received AWFUL and hateful robo-calls from Bill Clinton urging me to vote AGAINST Ammiano.

    Moral of the story: all of these people STINK and have turned generations of people off politics.

  •  Fool me once... (0+ / 0-)

    This time around Nader's got a running mate who's proven he's able to tap into the electorate's general dissatisfaction with the status quo. Of course, the rest of America is nothing like San Francisco but the 2.7% of voters who voted for Nader in 200 are.

  •  SHOCK! SURPRISE! (2+ / 0-)

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    ksh01, Paul Hogarth

    Gavin Newsome, only you could sink this low.

    "Don't get fooled again", lol.  

    Seriously, Gonzalez should have won that election, he'd have been a kick-ass mayor.

    It's a terrible choice he's made here, and indeed, I just fired off an email telling him as much.  

    BUT why would the mayor of San Francisco waste the time to write an internet post about his opponent from several years ago.  Like is this guy trying to tell us not to regret the fact that Gonzalez' now-legendary campaign narrowly missed changing the city forever?  Is he trying to tie real progressive politics and politicians to a lunatic fringe.

    Kossacks, don't be fooled by t his clown.  He's not one of the good guys.  Matt Gonzalez is one of the good guys - Gonzalez problem is that he's just lost perspective.

  •  Who is financing Nader..we need to do some (0+ / 0-)

    research..

  •  Great comments (0+ / 0-)

    Once again I'm going to learn not post when I'm not near my computer... so sorry for being late in responding to folks.

    To those of you who asked about it - I'm still with Clinton but I'm going to be a strong supporter of whomever our nominee is. And honestly, with these two as our choices we just can't go wrong.

    I hope the people who said that we don't have to take Nader seriously are right. I would love to be proven wrong on this one.

    But having served with Matt on the Board, I have enormous respect for him – both as a Supervisor and as and opponent. And I think it would be a mistake to simply dismiss out of hand the possible viability of a Nader-Gonzales ticket.

  •  Thanks Gavin Newsom. I will vote Nader!! (0+ / 0-)

    Your a dirt bag. Nader is a stand up guy. Since you saw fit to cry about Nader. It motivated me to send him an extra $100.00

  •  Bush-Cheney and Republicans... (0+ / 0-)

    ...have screwed us every which way they could and still to this day continue...remember its not like the republicans only elected bush-cheney for one election cycle...they love him so much because he was letting them feed at the national treasurey trough with unlimited and free refills. This needs to be one of the big issues to remind the voting public...why not to re/elect republicans...especially for president come november elections.

    Our nations quality of life is based on the rightousness of its people.

    by kalihikane on Thu Feb 28, 2008 at 08:10:37 PM PDT

  •  Who's Helping the Republicans, Gavin? (0+ / 0-)

    On The Daly Blog with links...

    Last week, just before jetting off to Texas to once again stump for Hillary Clinton, Gavin Newsom penned this diary on the decidedly pro-Obama site, Daily Kos.

    "Nader’s candidacy has a special meaning to me – because his new running mate, former San Francisco Board of Supervisors’ President, Matt Gonzalez, was my opponent in 2003 when I first ran for mayor."

    Misdirection 101
    Newsom quickly capitalized on the opportunity presented by Gonzalez, lavishing Matt with accolades to make the argument that "Matt Gonzalez will help Nader help the Republicans." Now don’t get caught up on Newsom’s own Republican connections, including that donation he made to the GOP some years back. Just remember that Newsom is making this claim while he proxies for the campaign that’s spending millions hammering the likely Democratic nominee on experience, authenticity, healthcare, choice, relationship with Tony Rezko, and national security. As the now infamous 3AM ringing phone ad runs across Texas, pushing up Obama’s negatives, Gavin wants us to think that the real threat to Barack Obama is Matt Gonzalez!

    "That’s why there can be no greater imperative for Democrats and progressives than uniting behind the party’s nominee. Now is the time for us to take a stand against the irresponsible and dangerous threat of the Nader-Gonzalez campaign. Now is the time to work together so we can win back the White House. Now is the time for a united front so that we may begin, finally, to reverse the incredible damage done to our country and our world by eight years of George Bush and Republican leadership."

    Now that’s how you do misdirection in politics, folks! Notice that there is no mention in his post about Clinton at all. Nothing about her stepping aside so that the Dems can present this "united front." Not even a mention of cooling down the attacks a little bit in case Barack’s wins force Hillary to the side this week.

    Peter Fucking Ragone!
    But wait a minute – there’s a back-story here. We know that the Clinton campaign brought their California Ace to run their Texas campaign. What I didn’t realize until I read it yesterday was that they also brought in Peter Fucking Ragone! According to the Chronicle’s Carla Marinucci, Ragone is helping Ace Smith "run media for the campaign in Texas." You don’t say!

    Peter Ragone is Gavin Newsom’s former press secretary, who was exposed for lying about his use of sock puppets to make blog comments questioning Newsom critics. Ragone also got caught in the web of lies about Newsom’s affair with his campaign manager’s wife and related substance abuse issues. After these troubles, Ragone was promoted in the administration and ultimately went to work for Newsom’s reelection campaign.

    Now Ragone is helping to run Clinton’s media in Texas just as the Clinton campaign has become decidedly nasty in attacks on Obama. Ragone was well-known around San Francisco City Hall for his dirty tactics. Now it seems that Gavin’s got him doing Hillary’s dirty work in Texas. Now re-read Gavin’s post. Completely hypocritical!

    On Gonzalez
    For those of you who don’t follow the ins and outs of San Francisco politics... Matt Gonzalez is a former President of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors, the 11 member legislative branch of the City and County. With the return of district elections in 2000, Gonzalez and I were elected in a progressive sweep that brought 7 new Supervisors to City Hall. Newsom was one of 2 Supervisors loyal to Mayor Willie Brown to survive that election.

    The new progressive majority on the Board immediately embarked on the path of political and economic reform, balancing the runaway power of the incumbent Mayor. Gonzalez was elected President of the Board in 2002 and passed a measure to increase the City’s minimum wage a year later. Gonzalez is best known for his people-powered, insurgent campaign for Mayor in 2003. Heavily outspent and with few high-profile endorsements, Gonzalez gave the mainstream media-anointed Newsom a serious scare. A rainy election day in December was the most significant single display of grassroots energy that I’ve ever seen – with thousands of San Franciscans pounding the pavement for Matt. We won on Election Day but had already lost the race with the early ballots. A bit disillusioned with local politics, Matt left the Board after his first term, as the second most powerful politician in San Francisco, saying that we may see him one day run for something he probably wouldn’t win...

    In many respects, the Obama campaign in San Francisco this year had much the same feel as Gonzalez in 2003. In fact, it was hard not to reminisce with Gonzalez-backers who hit the streets of San Francisco for Obama this year.

    But Barack is Best
    As an unapologetic supporter of Barack Obama and friend and political ally of Matt Gonzalez, I have to admit that Matt’s decision last week is a bit awkward for me. Matt says that he’s running to elevate the issue of election reform, and we agree on the import of that. But I believe the most logical place right now for progressives to elevate important issues is within the context of the Obama campaign and the movement building around it. These are exciting times, and Obama (building on the work of Dean) has already forced significant realignment in the Democratic Party. Now his campaign is providing us with the opportunity to fundamentally change how politics works. This is way bigger than any specific issue or even who the next President will be. I wouldn’t expect Gavin Newsom to understand or appreciate this, but I wish Matt did.

    Whatever.

    Let’s get back to work building our movement. Obama for President!

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