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I'm A Dodd Supporter Who Won't Vote For Hillary

Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 10:39:34 AM PDT

I wish Christopher Dodd were still in the race.  Not only would I have voted for him but he raised the bar for Democrats when dealing with a multitude of issues, from immigration reform to the Constitution.  While Edwards was demonstrating his belief in the Imperial Presidency's right to decide whether or not to go to war saying "I would not" rather than Congress has the right to wage war and Senator Clinton was notoriously lying to people on drivers' licenses for immigrants, Dodd stuck to a reasonable framework for executive leadership.

But I Digress. Dodd is no longer in the race.  I would vote for any Democratic candidate against Old Lord McCain in the general but this party would be damned stupid to nominate Hillary Clinton.

Unlike this diarist, I do not excuse war-mongering and outright lying from presidential candidates. That diarist was fond of bringing up the Cold War, although he seems to have little understanding of the depth of the Washington Consensus.  There's only a whole chapter in Zinn's A People's History as well as many other resources, but I digress again.

Barack Obama is way too much of a hawk in my opinion, but he's also more sane about it than Miss Kyl-Lieberman, who had absolutely no reason to vote for potentially destroying Iran other than the fact that she wanted to make herself look tougher that the so-called spineless Democrats.  It was a borderline-assault to the right of the people of Iran to expect to live and an insult to Democrats after 50 years of Joe McCarthy, Dick Nixon soft on Communism horseshit.

This quote from the Clinton apologist explains it all:

I have every confidence that if she is elected and she has a genuine majority in the Senate she will behave in a manner truer to her liberal views because she will be acting from power not seeking it

Great. 50 plus recs for a strategy reduced to: let's let our Democrats lie and fake their way into power so that they can then magically change themselves and become the people we think we're voting for.

Barack Obama never had to dignify Robert Novak's nauseating column in which it was revealed Democrats like Clinton voted for the AUMF because they didn't want to look weak in spite of widespread understanding in Washington that the CIA didn't have evidence of a threat from Saddam.

Unlike Senator Clinton, Barack Obama isn't the 2nd largest recipient of Jack Abramoff money to George W. Bush's first.  Unlike the non-starter Rezko, a lot of Clinton's money scandals are grounded in truth enough to cast doubts on her integrity in a general election.

Despite Senator Clinton's whopping 7 years in the Senate in which she passed little legislation, Barack Obama passed one of the biggest ethics reforms in the Senate.

Climate change, poverty, the war.  None of these things can be effected as long as corruption waits in the hallway to greet our legislators and presidents.  It is dishonest to promise to take away the tax breaks for the oil companies et al while only competing with Obama's money through taking massive donations from organized lobbies.

War-mongering, corruption.  The two most important issues for the general electorate and Senator Clinton flunks both of them, not to mention her high negatives, her vindictive personality, and her obvious willingness to say and do anything "not illegal if they don't say so" tactics, as demonstrated in the Nevada caucuses and her race-baiting surrogates.

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  •  Rather than accusing someone of "lieing" (1+ / 0-)

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    burrow owl

    maybe you should learn how to spell it.

  •  Agree. Completely. (1+ / 0-)

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    Empower Ink

    The best way to predict the future is to invent it. Alan Kay

    by Robinswing on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 10:42:41 AM PDT

  •  My candidate will win the outrage war! (4+ / 0-)

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    burrow owl, quaoar, Nulwee, Pandoras Box

    The supporters of my candidate are outraged by the behavior of your candidate's supporters. Our feelings are more hurt than yours and we will escalate the outrage-war until we are victorious. If you promise to stay home for the general, then we will promise to vote for the republican nominee. If you call us naive, we will call you ignorant. If you accuse us of being unfair, we will accuse you of racism and sexism.

    My anger = your anger + 1

    No matter how outraged you get, we will always be more outraged.

  •  The Next War: not Iran, Venezuela. (2+ / 0-)

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    Nulwee, Empower Ink

    No matter who's elected, the permanent government will push for an effort to topple Chavez, likely with a staged incident at the Colombian border.

    It's hard to find anything on Obama's attitude here.

    The Clinton's are close to the Colombian rightists, with Mark Penn actually employed by both the govt and rightwing parties.

    Running against Herb "WIRETAP" Kohl in 2012. $1/year. Cash preferred.
    Masel4Senate 1214 E. Mifflin, Madison, WI 53703

    by ben masel on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 10:54:24 AM PDT

  •  Nulwee, You Need a Tip Jar. (2+ / 0-)

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    Edgar, Nulwee

    Rec'd pending that.  I'm not wild about candidate diaries but this one struck a chord.

    Gore to Richardson to Edwards to ?

    by creeper on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 10:55:11 AM PDT

  •  What is it with these diaries lately? (4+ / 0-)

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    burrow owl, quaoar, slksfca, Pandoras Box

    Can't people even consider writing a diary on why they support their candidate without resorting to immature behavior like labeling Clinton Miss Kyl-Lieberman?  And it should be Ms by the way.

    I absolutely get where you're coming from on the Iraq vote.  And you've got plenty of positives to point out on Obama there.  It isn't necessary to get all ugly on Clinton.  It isn't going to win anyone over to your side.  And I said the same thing to Alegre the other night about her diary.

    Here's some simple advice: Always be yourself. Never take yourself too seriously. And beware of advice from experts, pigs, and members of Parliament. Kermit

    by sobermom on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 10:55:36 AM PDT

    •  Look at the content, not the tone (2+ / 0-)

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      sobermom, Nulwee

      One issue that unites this site almost unanimously is Iraq.  Why the hell should the Dems nominate someone who got that issue dead wrong in 2002 and who continues to rationalize that glaring error today?  She always says "if I knew then" even though she was too lazy to follow Intel Chair Bob Graham's advice and read the NIE before she voted aye.

      K-L is the icing on the cake.  If she's telling us the truth--she trusted W on Iraq in 2002 and got burned--then WTF was she doing trusting him again on Iran in 2007?

      This choice is so obvious that it leads people to emotionalism at times.

      Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

      by RFK Lives on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 11:21:46 AM PDT

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      •  It is obvious (1+ / 0-)

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        Pandoras Box

        if your number one priority is Iraq.  Indeed, it is a no brainer.  But while the site is almost unanimous on its views on Iraq, I don't think it is unanimous on the list of priorities.  Indeed, those for whom the Constitution was the first priority went with Dodd for obvious reasons.  Those for whom economic justice was the first priority chose Edwards.  Those for whom impeachment was the first priority chose Kucinich.  While all of us see Iraq as an important issue, not all of us have it as number one.  It isn't emotionalism, nor is it wrong, to have a different first priority.

        For me the tone of diaries either adds or subtracts from the content.  And almost always for me a negative tone overshadows the content.  I'm consistent about that if you check my record.  I said it to other Edwards supporters much to their dismay, I said it to Alegre the other night, and I'm saying it now.  Some people like an aggressive angry tone.  I don't.  And I'm just suggesting to those who are looking to sway the votes of Edwards supporters that negativity isn't the way to go.  The diarist is perfectly free to ignore that.

        Here's some simple advice: Always be yourself. Never take yourself too seriously. And beware of advice from experts, pigs, and members of Parliament. Kermit

        by sobermom on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 01:39:42 PM PDT

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  •  Oh good. Another diary (1+ / 0-)

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    burrow owl

    from a supporter of a former candidate telling me who they will not support.

    Truly useful information.

  •  I am voting democratic no matter what. (0+ / 0-)

    Supreme Court is why

    "We struck down evil with the mighty sword of teamwork and the hammer of not bickering!" - The Shoveler

    by Pandoras Box on Sun Feb 03, 2008 at 12:27:05 PM PDT

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