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The Long Goodbye: Dad Has Alzheimer’s

Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:02:31 AM PDT

It is primal scream time in the Irishwitch/Packhorse household. Either that or I am gonna run away form home.

On Friday, I learned, quite by accident,  that  my 87-year-old father, who now lives with us as diaried  [ here] has Alzheimer’s.  My husband mentioned it to me.—his mother, with whom we live temporarily until Dad’s house sells and he buys one here (or he gets a home equity loan and buys one) told him.

How did she find out? Well, the State of Florida is  probably gonna jerk his driver’s license (and quite rightly) and he had to mail in a form filled out by his neurologist, of which MiL made a copy for him. In doing so, she skimed over it. Right up there on the first line it said "Parkinson’s Disease and early stage Alzheimer’s."  I knew about the Parkinson’s—it’s been ten years since he was diagnosed, and he’d had symptoms for about five years before –but the Alzheimer’s was news to me.  Dad didn’t tell me, either because he forgot or is denial or because he thinks it’s none of my business.

Well, this changes everything over night.  Cognitive impairment is tricky—Alzheimer’s patients can go downhill rapidly.  And I suspected that he might be suffering some cognitive impairment  form Parkinson’s, but this diagnosis explains a lot. He has short term memory issues which have been increasingly apparent over the last three weeks. He obsesses over things, and anything he wants done must be done this second immediately. He will be fine, in a  good mood, and then suddenly lash out for no reason with anger at someone (usually me; it seems to be okay to treat me rudely, since he’d one this most of my life). In the past, when he discussed getting him to move up here and explained what was required for us to inhabit the same house in some sort of peace, he accused us of trying to spendhis money to buy ourselves a big house he didn’t need. Much of the time, he’s just fine, and pretty good company. His mind is mostly pretty damned good. and when we discuss CNN and the primaries, and he’s sharp as a katana. But then he’ll suddenly decide he’s misplaced something that wasn’t misplaced and I have to stop whatever I am doing—making dinner, writing,  doing laundry—and find it for him instantly (if I don’t, he nags till it’s done).

Dad is highly unlikely to give his doctors permission to talk to me, so I can find out what to expect? Why? Family dynamics. Dad is Irish-American, and it seems to be a cultural trait that  you don’t let anyone know your business—especially financial and health business. Which means, of course, I feel like a mushroom: kept in the dark and fed bullshit. But this time we can’t go with the flow. We need to discuss some things now, like financial planning and powers of attorney and what to do if he can no longer be cared for at home. The problem is, he seems to think I am an idiot, and he has a crush on MiL, who enables and babies him, and is part of the problem.  I attempted to discuss this with her Saturday, and  pointed out that Alzheimer’s patients can go downhill fast, especially when they also have Parkinson’s, and we can’t wait forever.  Her response was typical MiL, discounting my concerns and acting as if I haven’t a brain in my head, "He’s fine. Nothing has to be done that soon."

I told her politely I disagreed, that I actually do know something about both his illnesses, and that you cannot predict when he’ll hit the next stage of Alzheimer’s, and any legal arrangements must be made while he is still high-functioning.

She looked at me with that sweet Southern hypocritical smile, and said, " I think you’re wrong, but I acknowledge that you feel this way." Translated from her native tongue of Passive Aggressive Condescension, that means "You are a blithering  idiot who knows nothing about anything, but I can see you actually feel this way, stupid and incorrect though you are."  This is her usual manner with me whenever I dare to not agree 110% with her.

I looked across the table at her and replied, "I hope you didn’t mean to sound as condescending to me as you did just then." It’s scary. I am beginning to speak what Ben calls High Southern Matronese.  I hope I can lose it once we’re outta GA finally, because I hate playing this sort of game.

She apologized. Sorta. As much as she is capable of. WIthotu ever acknowledging that Imight actually know what I am talking about.

I pointed out that I am a paralegal, and Ben has been a CAN and is now a nursing student. IU know far more about the legalities of this than she does, and he knows more about the medical aspects, having cared for Alzheimer’s patients as a CAN at a nursing home.  She then went silent and changed the subject. Goddess, how I LOATHE passive aggression. She could be such a huge help, but she makes things twice as hard. When she flew down to Florida to bring him back, she did so without consulting us or discussing how things would be handled.  She made promises on our behalf that we can’t keep. She told him he wouldn’t have to pay dime while he’s under her roof, and he hasn’t. We’ve taken him out to dinner when we grabbed fast food—he’s never offered to spend a penny (except when he goes out with her, he’ll spring for ice cream or fast food).  He eats as much as my husband and I combined, so the food budget is doubled, and he’s gonna have to kick in something. He complains we eat so much chicken and rice. Sorry, but we don’t eat steak twice a week, and we can’t afford the stuff he expects to dine on. He wanted to know when we’d have prime rib, like we did at Christmas, and I told him flat-out, "Not till next Christmas. We can’t afford it. It’s our big treat to ourselves once a year." He actually has $300 more a month in income than we do, and he isn’t paying for gas to get to school every day, as The Packhorse is (and it is a long commute from the burbs to NE Atlanta where his college is located)

So we have to sit down and have the Big Discussion with him. But before that we have to sit down with MiL and explain reality to her.  She made promises to him we cannot keep. And she doesn’t recognize the seriousness of an Alzheimer’s diagnosis, and how quickly his condition can change. Things must be settled before he deteriorates, because, judging by his behavior now, he’s not gonna be one of those sweetly confused old souls. No, he’s gonna be like the old gentleman my husband cared for who hit nurses with his cane and shouted obscenities. He’s also likely to become more suspicious and paranoid, not less, over time, since his natural bent is to keep secrets and assume everyone’s after his money, which will make everything even harder than it is now.  We have to make her understand that, and win her tour side, because she is the only one he’s currently listening to. And that’s gonna be as much fun as talking to him will be.

And I would give anything for some quiet. Volume Wars are still on-going, and we can’t afford to shell out money for a wireless headset—they cost between 40-60 bucks, and we just don’t have it. I spent that money on getting my ears re-pierced (they’d closed up on me), and I guess I shouldn’t have wasted it on myself.  I don’t think he’d be willing to spend any of his money because MiL told him he doesn’t need to part with it. I’d give anything to be able to watch one of the three TV shows I watch currently (Torchwood, Lost and, soon, Jericho) without asking permission to do so (we are paying for the cable, natch) because Dad doesn’t share well (never had to).

Despite all this, I am glad he’s here where I can keep an eye on him and see he’s eating properly. I enjoy talking politics with him. I enjoy taking him to the library where he has discovered large print books and is reading again (using your mind helps stave off the worst symptoms of Alzheimer’s a bit). I am happy I can help him.  He’s regaining some of the weight he’s lost (I am a damned good cook and so is Ben), and he’s only fallen twice in there weeks (and the last time, he caught himself before he actually fell to the ground).

But it means we have no time alone together (MiL is sleeping in the next room, which means it’s hard to talk, let alone make love without worrying you’re disturbing her)—we’ve managed three hours when she offered to take him to church and we had a luxury we seldom indulge in: dinner at a Chinese restaurant and an hour to run errands for us (like go to the bookstore, where I spent all of 25 bucks on books). It’s not like we had tons of time anyway—the nursing  clinicals my husband is in are all day classes followed by hitting the books immediately after dinner.  It also means we have to give up small luxuries because we can no longer afford them because MiL told him he doesn’t have to contribute a cent.  And I worry because even when Ben graduates and is working, we aren’t gonna be rolling in bucks—he’ll likely make around 45 K a year as an A.S. R,N.—and there’s no way we’ll be able to afford a nursing home when/if he needs fulltime care I can’t give (I can’t lift because of back issues). I need to ask him about his insurance and whether he has a long term care policy which will help if he stays at home.

Many of you have dealt with this, and some of you will be facing it in the next few years. Lots of boomers here, and we all have again parents.  Folks, this is what it looks like. The challenges will likely be different—most people aren’t as difficult to deal with on a  good day as Dad always has been—but some will be very similar. So share your frustrations, and please, if you have ideas on how to approach Mil and, afterwards, Dad on the finances and legal issues, please offer them. I have absolutely no idea what to do. I’ve done some research, and I need to look into respite care so I can manage a few hours alone for us now and then.  

So, please share your experience, advice, wisdom and concerns

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  •  I'm so sorry, IW. (16+ / 0-)

    I know or know of two people in my life that have had Alzheimer's.  

    My boss's dad has it, and Terry's (my late partner) mom died with Alzheimer's.

    I knew her, but do not know him except through my boss.

    This takes a huge emotional toll on everyone involved and is often a roller coaster .. people get worse over time in the long run, but over short periods, they can wax and wane.

    Anyway, I'm sorry I don't have much to say except, thanks for the diary and am so sorry you're dealing with.  Stay strong with your relatives, it seems like you're the more level-headed one on this issue.

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    by AndyS In Colorado on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:08:13 AM PDT

  •  Shit...sorry to hear that. (7+ / 0-)

    Once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:11:29 AM PDT

  •  Greeting from North Georgia (6+ / 0-)

    My Mom went downhill just a little faster than we could move her from one assisted living facility to the next, and then to the nursing home, as her condition deteriorated.  It's easy to be a little behind the curve on this one.

    Have you considered a reverse mortgage on your Dad's home?  That might make things better.

    Hang in there!

    I hope to die laughing.

    by altoid on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:15:44 AM PDT

  •  Depending on your location (11+ / 0-)

    there may be community resources -- e.g. an Alzheimer's support group -- that you could access.  

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    by prodigal on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:16:09 AM PDT

  •  I'm sorry. (18+ / 0-)

    I've been going through a lot of it in my family.  Three cases and counting.

    First off, you really need to get Durable Power of Attorney and Durable Medical Power of Attorney for your parents.

    The next thing I would suggest is calling the local Legal Aid Corporation and see if they can suggest any attorneys who could help you do this for a reasonable amount of money.

    That is absolutely the first step and you might as well get that ball rolling now.

    As for your m-in-law, recognize that she may NEVER come around to your way of thinking.  Often times the kids have to be the bad guys and do what is best for them.

    Good luck.  Your father is lucky to have a child who cares so much.

    •  PS (13+ / 0-)

      As for having the big discussion with him, two things:

      1.  Let his doctor give him the news and discuss the consequences.
      1.  Keep in mind that denial is a major coping mechanism for those with the disease, so he may never accept that he has this condition.  Paranoia is not uncommon.  My mother at one point knew about her diagnosis but she has long since forgotten.  We gave up trying to "prove it" to her because it just made her upset.  
      •  PPS (12+ / 0-)

        One further thing.  If you believe the diagnosis is accurate, I would suggest you take his car keys away from him now.  Or remove some part of the car that allows it to function.  In some states, you can be both morally and legally liable if you let someone with Alzheimer's drive and they cause an accident that kills or injures someone.

        •  It is absolutely critical that you (10+ / 0-)

          take the car and/or the keys away. My son and I had to do an intervention with my mom. We took the car, and we insisted on taking all the sets of keys. it was one of the hardest things that I have ever done.

          Make sure that you have a banking power of attorney as well.

          •  We have neither. ANd MIL (4+ / 0-)

            is making it harder, not easier.  If I hide the keys she'll notice, and pitch a fit. Until we sit down and talk with her, I don't dare.  FOrutantely he has no idea where anything is, so he really doesn't want to go anywhere.

            The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

            by irishwitch on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:40:26 AM PDT

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            •  She may have to pitch that fit. (4+ / 0-)

              Explain about legal liability in case he kills somebody. Google search it - it happens every day in our country.

              •  Easy for you to say. (1+ / 0-)

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                Youa ren't loiving under her roof.  And being called  incomeptent or unloving.

                The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

                by irishwitch on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:01:57 PM PDT

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                •  Irishwitch, (2+ / 0-)

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                  I didn't mean to upset you.  Sorry.  Every family is different.

                  Perhaps someone she likes better can explain the realities of the situation to her.

                  Good luck.

                  •  SInce hsi sibligns dislike us, there isn't (2+ / 0-)

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                    anyoen we can appeal to. The elder sister hates us both and would be useless. We're it. ANd we;'re betweena  rock and a hard palce.  We're stuck under her room till Dad's hosue sells, then we're with him. ANd it's hard to explain my MiL to peopel who don't know her. She's sweet and funny and kind--but because of the religion issue and because I never coudl get a job here (I delciend to bag gorceries, back won't allow it and we'd need a second car adn the job wouldnt'
                    pay enough to make it worth it--no library jobs, appleid for 2 years for them and never even got an interveiew--she has classed me as lazy and she thinsk when I try to tell her about problems with Dad that I am exaggerating or making stuff up or  don't love him.  Her exposure is limted with him--she'd only met him once, at XMas, before this. SHe has no idea of his real persoanlity--always demadning, always in charge, alwasy tending to regard me me with a raised brow--so she ses what he shows her: his best side.

                    The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

                    by irishwitch on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:35:53 PM PDT

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            •  However, you are NOK (4+ / 0-)

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              (next of kin), not MiL.

              If push comes to shove in a medical setting, MiL will not be consulted -- and possibly not even allowed information unless your father and/or you expressly give permission. Now, I'm not recommending that things get that hostile, but keep in mind that, even in the absence of papers, you (and/or any siblings you may have) will be the first ones the medical folks look for.

              Ditto to Kevvboy: get your dad to a doctor and let the doc deliver any news. Point out to the doc that you don't have any paperwork and there may be a social worker available. If they can't help you there, in many states, the Power of Attorney forms for financial and medical care are on-line and you can fill them out yourselves.

              I know you live with MiL, but you are his daughter. Likely, MiL thinks she is helping and/or protecting your father. Perhaps a dialogue with her based on "he needs help with respect and caring, not protection and denial" (those words are too harsh, but that's the general flavor), along with "I need your help so I can help him better" would strike a chord with her and get her on your side to reduce the number of concurrent battles you're waging.

              Good luck. This is a difficult situation. Wish I had some wisdom for you.

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              by bleeding heart on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:54:28 AM PDT

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        •  He hasn't expressed a real interst in driving so (3+ / 0-)

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          far. He likes being chauffeured. But losing the license to him is like losing freedom. I'll have to discuss this with MiL because if I hide the keys, she'll pitch a hissy ft at me, and frankly, my stress level is sky-high already. But I am 99.9% sure FL will yank his license and that will be the end of it.

          The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

          by irishwitch on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:39:24 AM PDT

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      •  Can't do this. (2+ / 0-)

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        Doctor is in Ocala FL, and probably has told him this--but Dad has forgotten it, either on purpose or because he simply can't remember. Unfortunately Dad is still very cognitive so we're gonna have to convince him of it--thank God MiL made a copy of the statement so he can see it in black and white signed by the doctor.

        MiL has no brain issues. She's simply a typical Southern Matron and for the past several years has discounted anything I say.  Basically I am the Yankee witch (literally, a Wiccan) who married her son. Two master's degrees and a Phi Beta Kappa key don't amount to a damned thing, and I know nothing. I doubt I can change her mind on that once it's made up. Doesn't help that my husband is the Family Black Sheep (he left GA) and the weird One (this family has neat little categories into which everyone must fit, and if you deviate from t he role, they freak). So what we have to do is convin e her that ALzheimer's can progress rapidly and that thigns must be done now.

        The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

        by irishwitch on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:37:36 AM PDT

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        •  If you're up against his siblings (2+ / 0-)

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          I can see that would be a problem.  Luckily in our family we all agreed (except the patient, in each case.)

          All I'm saying is don't expect him EVER to acknowledge the truth or to "convince" him.  With most people it never happens. Whatever subterfuge you have to use to get him where he needs to be, do it.

          She's heavily in denial, in addition to the family dynamics.  The one who is not sick gets threatened because they thinkg you're saying "they can't handle it."  Sometimes the "we want to get you some help" approach works better....

          There are some great Alzheimer caregiver message boards that REALLY helped me.  Those women (almost all) are so smart.

          •  Husband's sibliogns could give a shit-- (1+ / 0-)

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            I doubt they even know he's here, and wouldn't be any help if they do know.  They don't like me at all, and aren't fond of their brother for being Different (in fact, they tried to have MiL throw us out of her house a year or so ago because we're Wiccan--LOTS Of family issues int hat group.

            Understand this: MiL IS NOT hsi caregiver. I am. SHe takes hima few places at times.  That's it.  The bruden falls on me and myhsuband--and once we finally gat a house, itshe'll likley be less aroudn, but that could not happen for many months, until his hosue sells. I think, though, she is learning a bit. But she is in denial--after all, he;'s nice and friendly and polit with her./ Never lsoes his temper. Priases her to the skeis (while feelign free to yella t me when he's pissed off--ditto myhsuband; we're family so he can vent on us).

            She doesn't need help--she doesn't do much.  I am the one with the semi-permanent low-grde stress and sinus headache.

            The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

            by irishwitch on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:00:26 PM PDT

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    •  Be Very Careful With the POA stuff (6+ / 0-)

      Obviously you may have to look into it, but tread carefully.  

      Once there is an Alzheimer's diagnosis there is a real issue about whether the person's competent to do anything like that.  Legal aid is probably not going to be able to help, and they're not necessarily the best source of referrals.  

      Find a good elderlaw attorney who will not just do the right papers, but do them the right way, making sure there are no problems later on about whether he had capacity to sign those kinds of documents.  Anything you spend on the lawyer will be money that doesn't have to go in the pocket of another lawyer down the line, times 10.   NAELA is a good source.  

      •  We can't sopend a dime on a lawyer. (4+ / 0-)

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        We live on 1200 a month. That covers basic expenses and stuff needed for college for myhsubnad. HE will ahve to pay for it and he'll fight about hat. RIght now it's early stages with, I beelive, little impairment.  So it should be OK. Beisdes, there's no one else, and no judge will find him incopmpetent at thsi point.

        The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

        by irishwitch on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:42:08 AM PDT

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        •  I hear you (2+ / 0-)

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          but this isn't just about managing his money.  It's about making sure his medical wishes get carried out.  The time may come when he can't make those decisions for himself, and by then, it's too late to pick somebody and decide what you want them to do for you.

          If the judge won't find him incompetent now that's great - he can get this stuff done while he can.  There may be a low cost way to do it; your state should have a Protection & Advocacy department that gets federal money to help people with just this stuff.  His doctor is another good source.  This is easy to do if he's competent.  

          I am living with this now.  A good friend is in a pickle because her father in law, who is utterly out of his mind with Alzheimers, signed a power of attorney in the hospital and the hospital is saying he didn't have enough brain cells left to understand he was allowing someone to pull the plug.  

      •  Sounds like you are a lawyer. (3+ / 0-)

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        I hadnt considered having the actual diagnosis but I get your point.  In that case it would be a conservatorship if the person doesn't cooperate, right?

        I agree about the Eldercare attorney but it sounds as if she has real financial limits.

      •  Exactly (3+ / 0-)

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        This is very important.

        My mom & uncles waited too long to do this with my Grandma. My grandma wanted to be DNR but had never put this in writing.

        By the time my mom & uncles tried to get this taken care of, it was too late. My grandma wasn't capable of signing any legal documents because of her state of mind.

        The doctors ended up keeping her "alive" against her wishes, because it wasn't in writing.

        I'm very sorry to hear about this for you Irish. I know right now that you could probably use 100 hugs, but please take all this practical advise from those who have been there and wish we'd done things differently.

  •  My thoughts are with you Irish... (8+ / 0-)

    My Mom and her 2 sisters (my lovely Aunts) all had Alzheimer's at the same time.  They died about 2 years apart.  It was heartbreaking.  But, they were all happy and smiling right up until the end.

    Blessings to you!!

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    by annrose on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:17:55 AM PDT

  •  I'm sorry to hear that :( (9+ / 0-)

    My father is himself going through what I suspect is Parkinson's disease - he has never been diagnosed, as he refuses to go to the doctor, but many of the symptoms are there. (He's 83).

    It's pretty sad to see this brilliant man with a razor intellect and who had a pretty successful career as a trial lawyer regress to the point where he can't stop his hands shaking and asking questions of me I had answered not 5 minutes earlier.

    It's been dreadfully difficult on my mom most of all - plus she's had to deal with the brutal death of my sister (my siblings never told her that my sister was murdered by her husband who later killed himself, and I won't be the one to tell her). I can only wonder what my father thinks of it... I'm pretty sure he knows the truth, but either can't or won't admit it.

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    by Archangel on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:18:17 AM PDT

  •  good luck with your father... (6+ / 0-)

    your mil doesn't know how lucky she is to have both you and your husband to help out. last year my mother went into decline and without my wife's help i would have been a basket case. hang in there, you're not alone.
    tung sol

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    by tung sol on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:20:39 AM PDT

  •  So sorry, Irish. (10+ / 0-)

    This is a big wall to run into.

    I'm very concerned for you. It seems you have really walked into a bad one and now you have a minefield to navigate through.

    I'm especially concerned that you got into this without some protections for yourself. I'm absolutely against the notion that you are obligated to give your dad a blank check drawn on your future lives and happiness. For starters, I would strongly recommend some measures to protect your mental health. It's only going to get harder to keep perspective with what you are facing.

    I think you need to decide if the bottom line is that you will immerse yourself in caring for him, no matter what. I know that I could not have survived the last year and a half with my parents if I wasn't clear that I had certain boundaries with each of them. I'm doing everything I can to assist them, but I'm very clear that they created the situations they are in. I'm limited on what I can do for them and I can't sacrifice my precarious well-being. My mother, in particular, left us with a huge mess. Fortunately her only brother and I have been in total agreement on what to do and she was in no position to argue with us. In any case, we didn't give her much choice.

    FWIW, you and your husband need to be clear on what your limits are. What is the threshold in your state for conservatorship? It sounds like you are between a rock and a hard place between your father and MIL.

    Most of all--take care of yourself. And don't sacrifice your personhood out of a sense of obligation. If necessary, get some counseling--there are so many dynamics at play here that every anchor you can attach to will be valuable.

    I realize that he needs you and you want to help. But you have to set some limits. If he's not willing to give you access to medical information or make some legal preparations while he is still able, you may have to give him an ultimatum. Remember, you are not responsible for what he does--you are responsible for what you do. I know many would disagree with me, but I think you need to decide how bad it has to get before you walk away. Otherwise you're writing him a blank check and it sounds to me like both he and your MIL know damn well that you are.

    That's my two cents. Please take care of yourself. Best wishes always.

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    by homogenius on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:20:48 AM PDT

    •  Thank you for caring. (2+ / 0-)

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      My poor hsuband, who is stressed to the max already with clinicals, is about ready to strangle me becasue right nwo I am close to falling apart. Ihave Dad all day, alone.   FOr at least 8 hours. Mil Strolls in from her job, and makes thigns worse. Hsuband has homework and studying. Amd I need someoen to scream to--and ther isn't anyone. My HUSBAND does knwo that MiL handed Dad a blak check--free 24 hour care,a a chauffeur, laudnres and cook.  WIthotu a penny being spent.  MiL mad epromsies we can't keep.  

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:30:52 PM PDT

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      •  I'm so sorry. (1+ / 0-)

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        You've got power dynamics up the ying-yang. The unknown here is your husband's relationship with MiL.

        I don't mean to be throwing out pithy bromides from the sidelines--you guys seriously need to take care of yourselves. I hate to see you stuck in a no-win scenario like this. Take care.

        "Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole. Troll-be-gone...apply directly to the asshole."

        by homogenius on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 01:58:03 PM PDT

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  •  so sorry you are going (5+ / 0-)

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    through this. when my mother had dementia we finally had to put her in assisted living (she and we lucked out on the AL vs nursing home Alzheimers care). She was also quite agitated but these places do have doctors and they put mom on drugs and that did cure the agitation with her. she became much more peaceful. i have not had to deal with  reisistance to care that your MIL is putting up, but old folks often make pacts that they do not want such and such to happen to them, perhaps this may explain alo?. your local alzheimers organization sometimes have volunteers. and he may qualify for hospice. that too may be something to explore-they help the caregiver as well as the patient. take care of yourself. peace to you.

    Life's a gift--unwrap it.

    by MantisOahu on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:21:27 AM PDT

    •  MiL has no say or obligations in any of this- (3+ / 0-)

      legally he is my problem. But she has plenty of opinions, mostly to the effect that I am a horrid daughter and know nothing, zilch.And since he listens to her, we need her help to get anything done.

      Physically, he is fine.  He has mild highblood pressure, controlled by meds,a nd midly high cholesterol, also under control.  But hte pArkinson's makes him prone to dizzy spells and falls,a dn the alzheimer's, combined iwth his natural in-charge and secretive persoanlity (he told me not to come down when Mom was n rehab; I honestly don't think he wnated me there in case she died)make him very difficutl to dealw ith soemtimes.

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:47:01 AM PDT

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      •  i would go the legal route first (2+ / 0-)

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        power of attorney etc. that other posters have mentioned. if she has no legal standing than you need to be the adult no matter how much they protest. they are the child now and you the adult. the days ahead are going to be bleak and painful. try to move with getting all your ducks in a row at your speed because there will be so much grim things you are going to have to deal with shortly. and bureaucracy at that time is going to freak you out on top of the stress with the grief. remember take care of yourself!! hugs!!

        Life's a gift--unwrap it.

        by MantisOahu on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:11:17 PM PDT

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  •  Thinking of you at this time... (7+ / 0-)

    It's a tough road.

    I'm smart. I'm watching. And I won't shut up.

    by imfunnytoo on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:22:53 AM PDT

  •  I would probably start with an (11+ / 0-)

    appointment to his Doctor that made the dianosis. Explain to him that you are now caring for him and that you need to know what to expect in the future. This may or may not work but I have found that many Doc's will talk to the family of a patient. That confinetial stuff is not written in stone. At least not with older more experienced Doc's. Its worth a try and will help to get the family on the same page. But it is going to probably cost you the price of an appt. I am sorrty you are going through this.  My Aunt had alzheimers and its not pretty. Good luck to you and yours.

    "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

    by Owllwoman on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:23:28 AM PDT

    •  Not possible. DOc is in Ocala FL, (1+ / 0-)

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      7 hiorus away, and we can't afford the trip--and it woudl require permissionf rom Dad for him tot alk with us.  When he gets a new doc up here, I WILL explain the situation, but it wills tillr equire Dad's permission (privacylaws protect patients, but they also cause issues in situations liek this).

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:48:16 AM PDT

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  •  I once thought (7+ / 0-)

    that I was cheated because my father died when I was in my twenties. Stories like yours, IW, make me realize that was a blessing in a way; I never had to watch him grow sick and weak.

    I'm close by; you know how to contact me if there's anything I can do.

  •  It Is Very Hard On You (8+ / 0-)

    A colleague at work is going through this now.  Her dad was just diagnosed.  A good friend went through it with her mother in law a few years ago.  

    Not that you have time to read, but there is a great book on Alzheimers, "The Forgetting" which has both the scientific information translated into English and a very human perspective.  

    Please take care of yourself.  It is amazing what becomes a luxury under this kind of pressure.  An hour to yourself, even the chance to run errands.  

  •  Best wishes. (6+ / 0-)

    This is a long road to walk, for damn sure.

    First, I'd sit down with Dad and have a talk. This is certainly tricky to say the least; I had an Irish grandmother so I know how awkward this can be, but you really need to be on the same page. If he's inflexible ("none of your damned business...") it can really be tough, but most folks come around when it's apparent they need your help. Get permission to speak directly with his doctors; this will be invaluable to tell what's really going on.

    Second, confirm that the diagnosis is correct. Many folks with longstanding Parkinson's disease develop an associated dementia, which differs in clinical features and course from Alzheimer's. It's often lumped together with Alzheimer's as a sloppy shorthand, but treatment and expectations are very different.

    Third, by all means enlist other family members to help. If you're the ones left holding the bag (by which I mean providing lots of in-person support and assistance) feel free to play the guilt card and shame other able-bodied family members into pulling their weight. As in, taking care of Dad for a long weekend so you folks can get some alone time. This is critical for your long-term sanity.

    Again, best wishes. I've been there.

    •  I am the only family member. (1+ / 0-)

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      Only child. Ther is no one else. I am it.   No one can help out.

      MiL has opinions but no obligations or legal interests or responsibility.  More to the point, she only sees him for an hour or two max a day--I am here with me all day and all night. SHe has no clue what's involved,a nd how drainign a loud TV playing 12 horus a night can be (he does lwoer it int he evneign so my husband can study--and yells at me if I am upset because I am adding to husband's stress).

      My in-laws woudl be useles. A more self-absorbed, selfish group of women I have never seen--MiL is the best fo the lot by far; she at least MEANS well, but does thgins withotu consulting us,t he people this most directly impacts.

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:52:59 AM PDT

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  •  Sorry about your situation (9+ / 0-)

    I've lived through my grandma's Alzheimer's, and you are right to think you must do things now.

    Given your MiL's unfortunate intervention, and the suspiciousness of your dad, I would suggest something that does require money, but seems to me to be well worth it: that you all (not MiL) see a lawyer skilled in geriatric law.  A friend of mine did that and it worked like magic.

    I'd suggest you not tell your dad exactly where you, Packhorse, and he are going, except maybe to "a lawyer to arrange things now that you live here, so that you can be sure no one 'steals' your money."  

    Explain the whole situ to the lawyer in front of your dad, including such things as "we want to be fair in what we charge dad for room and board -- what do you recommend given your experience, what's fair?"  etc.  In my friend's situation, her mother saw the lawyer as HER advocate, and as neutral and professional, so she listened and took his advice.  And everything got into writing, including power of attorney.  And a will got made.

    Hope this helps and my best wishes

  •  My Dad has also had alzheimer's for (3+ / 0-)

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    many years and is now in a home.   He was diagnosed more than ten years ago and the progression with him was very slow.  The rate of progression varies considerably from patient to patient.  Generally the younger the faster the progression.

    At this point I would not freak out but try to get him evaluated with a brain scan (PET).  You should all go to the doctor with him and ask lots of questions.   He sounds like he is at an early stage.  My father had it for years before my mom made him turn in his license.  

    I am sorry about the news and would be glad to answer any questions you may have.  My email is
    j_goldberg@bellsouth.net.

     

    •  ALl going to the doctor requires Dad's (1+ / 0-)

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      consent,and I am fairly certain he won't agree, unless we get MiL on our side. I'll keep the email inmind after we deal with MiL.

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:49:28 AM PDT

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    •  My great uncle's Alzheimers... (0+ / 0-)

      ...is getting pretty bad, but he continues to drive, since my great aunt never got her license. So she controls the keys and navigates, but he has to drive. He's in good physical shape, but mentally, he's almost gone. It's a bad, bad situation.

  •  Second Kevboy's advice (6+ / 0-)

    My Mom had a "Will" that was drawn up by some parlor lawyer and it was abysmal.  My sister and I took Mom to a good lawyer as soon as her problems began to surface and had all the paperwork drawn up -- Durable Power for Healthcare and Living Will, plus a review and fix-up of her real Will. Mom was relatively sharp and was very helpful and cooperative at that point.  If we had waited a year, we would have missed the opportunity.

    BTW, the nursing home ignored her Living Will and shipped Mom off to the hospital for rehydration in her last week of life.  Oh well, you do the best you can.  I'm having "D.N.R." tattooed across my chest.

    I hope to die laughing.

    by altoid on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:25:56 AM PDT

  •  me too (7+ / 0-)

    I'm so sorry.
    My Mother has Alzheimer's too.
    It got worse when my dad passed last year, and we had to find a place for her to live.

    Now, she doesn't really know me anymore.
    I live out of town, but now she doesn't really know my sister who lives nearby and visits more often.

    It's very painful. It's too late for my mom, but I really hope there are much better treatments soon.

  •  sorry for the human tradegy and your concern (2+ / 0-)

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    and fear.
    But there is always hope in God's universe.

    http://archives.cnn.com/...

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/...

    we have not always agreed on issues but I will pray for a cure

    •  Thye may provide help for future patients (1+ / 0-)

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      but if you read them, you would have realized this is WAY down the road and offers no hope for Dad. Ther isn't gonna be a cure for him. If you insist on praying (and our versions of Deity I have learned from our exchanges , are so different as to make communication between us impossible), pray that MiL wakes up to reality and starts listening to me,a nd that Dad agrees to let us talk to hsi doctor once he gets one up here (we're working on getting all that changed over and MiL keep sticking her nose in)  and allows us to arrange for legal issues to be handled by an attorney whoa ctually knows what he's doing.   Prayers for Dad are, frankly, a wste of time. There will be no magic bullet.  Therw is only the slow slide downhill physicallya nd mentally,  because I have taken the time to do the homework on this aand actually know what treatments are available,a nd they aren't a cure--at msot they may prolong the earlier stages for a bit, but only for a bit.  

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:24:18 PM PDT

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      •  Disease Reversed (0+ / 0-)

        http://www.webpronews.com/...
        what harm can my praying do?

        •  Someone like you praying for me and Dad is like a (0+ / 0-)

          curse from my PoV. Your god is my version of the devil: mean-spirited, nasty, unpleasant and a judgmental asshole--the sort of person who would send a gay man to hell for being how he was made (I know you don't believe homosexuality is a choice, but you have a problem with reality on some issues, frankly and that is one of them--there are no studies to back up your point of view that gay people can become straight;l the best they can do is become celibate, but most still fantasize about their own sex when they masturbate). I don't want your sort of Deity interfering, frankly, hence it is like a cruse. Don't pray for my salvation either--it's just fine, thank you, and if your version of God is the correct one, I see Lucifer as the hero, not the villain,and hell will be a good place to be.

          But if you musty pray--pray for what is possible.  A cure isn't possible in the short time Dad has left.  He's 87. Pray that my MiL agrees to back us when we talk to Dad. Pray for what is necessary, not pie in the sky cures.

          Cures don't happen this quickly This is HIGHLY experimental, You did get that much, I hope.  It will have to go through MANY clinical trials before it ever gets FDA approval. ANd eventhen, hsi insurance probably won't cover it for years after that--that's reality. I DO know something about trials because I worked for a professor of immunology at JohnS HGopkins.

          The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

          by irishwitch on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 10:00:42 AM PDT

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          •  I will pray for what you ask even though you are (0+ / 0-)

            so sour.  By the way, the Reversal is IMMEDIATE.  I am sure there is a lag till human trials but it might be worth looking into.

            Don't know if you mispoke but I do believe being gay IS a choice.  So God did not make then that way.  They chose.  I do not believe God's punishment for being gay is likely going to be severe any more than say masterbation.  Probably a little less than adultry because of the effect on the children.  Now if gays mess up children in the process I think he will likely be a little more severe.  I believe sexual sins will be a matter of lesser consequence than say murder or how one makes people suffer in this life

  •  May be out of line here (7+ / 0-)

    but if you have major issues with MIL, you need some backup from spouse/partner. Her own offspring might need to jump in on your side and insist that you be treatd with more respect.

    •  I get plenty of backup. (2+ / 0-)

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      But we are living on 1200 a month and under her roof, so we have to tread carefully. He has told her she disses me. The "I acknowledge your feeligns" BS is better than her old method where she either acted as if I hadn't spoken (during discussions she talks to her osn and to Dad, but NEVER addresses or looks at me) or told me that I am a bad and unloving daughter who lacks compassion (but then he doesn't lash out at her as he does me at times).

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:55:28 AM PDT

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      •  I would tell her that (1+ / 0-)

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        either she treats you with respect, starting today, and lets you take charge of your father's care with no complaint from her and her total cooperation, or you will start looking for another place to live and will place your father in a state-supported nursing home.

        But that's just me!

        •  gain, she knwos dmaned well we can't afford (0+ / 0-)

          to move.  We have @1200 amont form myhsuband's pension.We move din here because we can't afford an apt of our own--one that doesn't come with hot and cold running drug dealers and drive-by shootigns costs most of that--for a one bedroom, addn we'd need a three bedroom (my hsubnad needs a room to study in, we ned a bedroom, adn Dad will have conficscated the LR to watch TV in) and no way will Dad fork out money. SO we're stuck a nd she knows it. Again, good idea, but if we had the money we wouldn't be living with her.  This mess is complciated not only by her attitude but by the fact that we're starving students--I have tried to get hired as a librarian but after three years, I relaized it's a waste of time. I ahve been unemplopyed too logn (military wife; haven't had a real job since 90), and am too old to get hried.

          The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

          by irishwitch on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:41:42 PM PDT

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  •  Sorry to hear about that (6+ / 0-)

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    My dad had alzheimer's and eventually died in a nursing home after falling and getting a subdural hematoma. The difficulties leading up to that were legion and you are right that you need to have some preparatory conversations. It is very important for alzheimer's patients to keep functioning--our experience was that even slight setbacks in mobility and self-reliance produced immediate diminution in abilities, because once the habits were lost they were gone forever.

    It may be necessary to find a way to shield his assets-- perhaps one of the kossacks with legal chops knows how -- because when the time comes that he needs more care than you can give the costs can eat up everything quickly before medicare and medicaid kick in. Private insurance does not cover alzheimers (at least my father's didn't with both Kaiser and Aetna) so you will be in a no mans land financially. We tried to find a home that would care for him and the cost in 1995 was around $4,000 per month. We ended up not spending this because there were no care facilities that were equipped or willing to take a late stage alzheimers patient. So it was up to us, and I live in another state and my mom was too frail to deal with him.

    For the reasons above, provision for some form of care is important--critical-- to plan and arrange for before you need it. We had to have my father arrested in California as a danger to himself and others before he was eligible for care at a public institution. He was arrested in the waiting room of a Kaiser clinic (where they refused to care further because of his diagnosis) while I had my arms wrapped around him to keep him from becoming violent or running away. The cop (who was very very sympathetic) said that he was sick of the healthcare people making him do this sort of thing.

    Don't know how to have those conversations, they were very difficult. It may be that a respected third party (not you "kids" as my dad thought of us) would be helpful in laying out what is needed so that you have plans for all of the stages of the disease.

    We had no idea what was going to happen and exactly how unhelpful our 'caring" institutions were so we were blindsided. I wouldn't wish this situation on my worst enemy.

    My profoundest best wishes to you, and the best of luck.

    Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read. Marx (no not that one, Groucho)

    by marketgeek on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:29:37 AM PDT

  •  I'm so sorry, irishwitch (6+ / 0-)

    What a tremendous blow--your deep love for your dad shines through every time you write about him. I've got no advice, except maybe to call your local City-County health dept and/or DPHHS for referrals for respite care workers. I will be praying for you and your family as you work through this difficult time of change.

    •  PS I googled around a bit, got confused (6+ / 0-)

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      about the Florida part, but it sounds like you're in Georgia?

      If so, Clayton County has Alzheimer's support services
      http://www.co.clayton.ga.us/...

      Executive Director: Janice Coye
      classalz@bellsouth.net
      6701 Highway 85, Riverdale, GA 30274
      Telephone (770) 603-4090 Fax (770) 603-4092

      and so does Richmond county--at least two of the hospitals specifiy that they never turn anyone away for inability to pay
      http://www.handsonhealth-sc.org/...

      You might try calling one of them for a referral. Best wishes to you, truly. I wish there was something I could do to help.

      •  He was living in FL, we in GA. (2+ / 0-)

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        He's now in GA. We're in Gwinnett. I'll look around for help, but the first thing is to get MiL on our side singing on the same page of the hymnal--which isn't very easy. Then once that is done we can work on him. WIthout her agreement, it's a lsot cause.

        I will amke sopme calls, later thsi week. RIght now I just don't have the energy. ANd when I stress, it adds to myhsuband's already high stress with doing hsi clincials--it's a very demanding program and he cannot afford to faila test or he'll be fropped.

        The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

        by irishwitch on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:27:21 PM PDT

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  •  I am sorry (4+ / 0-)

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    depending on where you live Medical may cover long term care.  I do medical intake, county level.  you can contact the social service agency where you live and get information. but also consult with legal aid because, wrong information is often given by county workers.  
    i am very sorry but can say that you deserve credit and support for demonstrating family values, your dad is lucky to have you.

  •  I am going through this. (6+ / 0-)

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    My mom is a dour Scot, so she will not share anything with me. You need to make sure that your father has an appropriate will. Be sure that you have a durable power of attorney, a medical power of attorney, and a banking power of attorney. You will find that you father may soon be unable to handle his own finances. They will also allow you to handle the eventual sale of his house.

    You may also want his doctor to issue a DNR (do not recussitate) order.

    See of your county provides low-cost services to seniors. We were able to get help for my mom that way. Eventually, you may need to investigate assisted living. Although it is expensive, many AL facilities have alzheimer's wings.

  •  went thru this with my Dad, also in FL (2+ / 0-)

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    back in 1990s.   You have my deepest sympathy.

    Peace.

    do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

    by teacherken on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 11:51:38 AM PDT

  •  Sympathies... (2+ / 0-)

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    ... especially on dealing with the combined dynamics of your MiL and Dad at the same time.

    If she won't listen to you about Alzheimer's and its development, is there an authoritative figure whom she WOULD listen to who could give you some back-up?  A doctor or someone who could tell her the same things, that she'd accept since they're coming from a "real expert"?

    Wishing you the best....

    •  The only one hse lsitens to is my SIL (1+ / 0-)

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      who loathesme heartily and would love to see me fall apart, so the answer is NO, unless we can get permission form Dad for us to talk to the doctor. She MIGHT lsiten to hiom--but she'll still likely insist I am being an al;armist.

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:20:03 PM PDT

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  •  My Experience (2+ / 0-)

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    My dad went downill fairly slowly - all totalled our good-bye was about 9 years.  It ended Nov 20, 2006 - he was 92 years old.  About 7 years before that my grandmother died after a long 8 year battle with Alzheimers.  Dad and Grandmama (which I what I called her) were different.  Dad had the times of lashing out in anger as you described, but for the most part he just sweetly slipped in to each stage, much like he did life. Grandmama on the other hand was always a pistol!  This is a woman who used to carry a straight razor in her garter, and made it quite clear she was handy with it - her third husband figured that out once when he backhanded her in the face. She whipped that razor out and got him on the leg. Grandpa Eddie died with a limp! So suffice to say, Grandmama went into every step fighting it all the way.  When we first put her in the nursing home, she actually got with two other sweet old ladies and arranged a breakout.  They found all three of them about 7 blocks from the home, in the freezing cold making an escape to who knows where.  She was 85 years old!!! They also caught her trying to scale a back fence, so you get the story! With both Dad and Grandmama we just had find ways to deal with what was happening at the time. The disease pretty much calls the shots and, at least for us, we were always on defense.  Certainly there are things you can do to plan ahead (estate issues, end of life care, etc.), but it's the day-to-day stuff that requires a constant adjustment. When it was obvious dad could not drive anymore, we had to hide the keys.  Well then he would just head out walking. One day he left out walking and he got lost.  Some kind strangers finally brought him home in the middle of the night. It was then that we decided to plan to "monitor" him from a distance whenever he left - trying not to curtail his freedom (which made him very agitated) but still assure he'd be safe. At every stage we'd join together as a family and talk about how to address it.  Many people had suggestions, but each situation is still unique. And if I could leave you with one other piece of advice, It would be this: treasure every second and every word. If it's been awhile since you've taken family photos, do it.  We ended up doing some in 2005 with Dad, but it was too late. The disease had taken such a toll on him that I can't even look at those pictures. Also, remember that YOU the FAMILY are in charge. There are wonderful nurses, CNA's, docs, therapists, etc. and they are wonderful well-meaning folks. But ultimately, you have to live forever with all your decisions, and that trumps all.

    Take care of yourself, breathe, and be jealous of your free time when you get. I wish you all the best.

    ...Everything is permissable, but not all things are prudent ~ Apostle Paul

    by angeleyes on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:06:56 PM PDT

  •  You have all of my (2+ / 0-)

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    empathy...My 76 year old mother also has Alzheimers and it has to be one of the most difficult things I have had to deal with...it leaves me feeling , tired, sad, weary..bereft..take care of yourself

    http://madashellclub.net- "The belief we do not have choices is a fantasy, an unfortunate indulgence in abdication"- John Ralston Saul

    by jazzizbest on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 12:12:00 PM PDT

  •  Don't let anyone make you feel guilty (2+ / 0-)

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    about taking time for yourself, even if it's just 1/2 hour for a bath or a walk alone.  You need to replenish your energy in order to have any left over to give.  When you are drained, ultimately nothing you give is enough.  When you take care of yourself TOO, then  you can give.

    Taking care of an ailing parent is exhausting.  Also rewarding in that you have time to heal all the old wounds, let go of all the old hurts and issues, and see them as they are as human beings, without judging them as how they lived up to expectations as Mom or Dad.  Stay strong in yourself.  What you are doing is a gift to him, but also for yourself, and also a model for your children if you have them  (remember one day it may be you needing help).

    There are many social agencies that you can contact for some help, and that specialize in people with that loneliest of all diseases.  Reach out for help.  Dont' be afraid to ask, or to say when you are overwhelmed.  Take time for your own relationship before it breaks under the strain.

    My father needed constant care his last year (after my mother had died).  He did not have Alz., though he did show some signs of age-related senility.  Because my mother had died, and he was on a downward spiral, for the first 8 months I tried to do everything I could to keep him going, at the expense of my own family, my daughter's needs, etc.  At some point, I realized that I could not choose to sustain him (age 90) rather than nourish my daughter (age 16 at the time).  That Life required me to put more energy into the future (my daughter) rather than the past (my father).  It was a little like having to make a decision as to which of two people to save from drowning.  I was finally able to let myself help him as much as I could without totally draining myself, knowing that his process was inevitable, and that all I could do was help him cope with his decline, not try and stop it.  I don't know if that makes any sense.  

    I just wanted to send my support.  Best of luck in the journey.

  •  oh, boy. (1+ / 0-)

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    I'm dealing with an 83 year old mom who'se in a nursing home, with dementia, and issues that won't let her live in an assisted living facility, and my dad who is 82, and still has his marbles. He's dealing with a 'driving incident' that happened at the nursing home, he drove over a curb, and the staff saw it. So, he's dealing with the FL Secretary of State?DMV to see if he can retain his licence. I drove with him 2 weeks ago, and he's fine.  So he may lose his mobility, and have to depend on my Aunt and Uncle who live a mile away from dad, and cabs,etc.  FL's public transit is terrible....

    My mom, on the other hand sounds like your dad.. she's abusive to her husband of 59+ years, and her only kid (me). She's definately past the stage your dad is right now. We were lucky enough to set up powers of attorney before things got too bad -I do need to doublecheck whether we have all we need. I also have a signed document giving me full access to their medical records/doctors, etc.
    From what I understand under HIPPA, though, next of kin do NOT need this -they 'should' be able to talk to their parent's docs with no problems. But, HIPAA is so confusing that you may get 3 different answers from 2 different people.  The nursing home my mom is in appears to be set up for Alzheimer's patients, and is prepared and used to my mom's outbursts and such against my dad and I.

    You may need to come down 'hard' on your MiL and explain to her that you are the primary legal caregiver and not her.  I know that your dad listens to her, so this may be very difficult. You're fighting so many battles right now, this may be a bit of a stretch.  You may have to become that 'damnyankee' she already believes you are.. :)

    This is also important..Florida has different laws regarding Medicaid  and Medicare than the rest of the country..these are in regards to assets, etc, too.  Because FL has 21% of it's residents over 65, it's very senior friendly.  I don't know if you can or want to, but you may really want to get them back to FL somehow...

    take much care, and try to find some relief care for you and your husband... this is VERY important for your life, which will go on after all this is done...

    •  He isn't IN FL any more. (0+ / 0-)

      He's in GA. ANd no way can we live ther. Husband is in schoola nd would lsoe a lot of time establishign residency to qualify for in-state tuition, and he's in clincals. Plus FL literally amkes me ill--I have killer allergies and they never get a rest in Ocala. After Mom's funeral when I was there for a weke, I came back home iwth a massive sinus infection which took a month of antibiotics to get rid of.

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:51:02 AM PDT

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    that both your father and your MiL are single? Does she see him as a potential pliable spouse?

    Talk about control of both you and your husband...

    •  She has no desire to remarry. (1+ / 0-)

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      SHe's been married three times and prefers having no responsibilities. I am not worried about that, eally. And last night, she admitted that when we move, she won't be over every night--I pointed out that I need to be the one witht he Powers of attorny because she won't always be available, and I'll be there 24/7.

      The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

      by irishwitch on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 09:48:37 AM PDT

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      •  I hope she took it well... (0+ / 0-)

        •  Well, we really didn't go into it (0+ / 0-)

          in  depth.  It's gonna take a long discussion to get her ready. I plan to sit with my husband but let him do most of the talking. I don't get SOuthern Matron culture and how to manipulate it. He does.

          And I did have one priceless gem to mention. Recall the discussion of taking away car keys.  RIght affter I got off the computer,t he phone rang and it was someone fromhis old GP's office--a British Bitch From Hell with one of thsoe superior manners that brigns out the Irish in me-- who refused to rget two months extension of his prescription. Thanks to MiL,t here was no time to get a final appt there or obtainhsi medical records. ANd Dad runs out on Saturday.  S Knowing Dad wouldn't lsiten to me, I put her on withhim.   ANd he panicked. He wanted me to drive him to the doctor's (mine) RIGHT THEN to get it taken care of.  I I told him it oculdn't ahppen. He siad he'd drive hismelf. I told him I didn't knwo the way, sicne my hsuband always goes with me to the doctor.  So I didn't ahev to hduie the keys, but was prepared to if necessary,. I told MiL about THAT, and how we might be laibel if he harms someoen while driving. THAT seems to ahve  gotten to her.

          The last time we mixed religion and politics people got burned at the stake.

          by irishwitch on Tue Feb 05, 2008 at 10:58:30 AM PDT

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