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Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:10:28 AM PDT

For the past few years, DailyKos is reportedly the most popularly read progressive political blog in the world. And on DailyKos, one "BondDad" has established a huge following for his posts on financial and economic matters, usually full of vivid graphs and concise explanations of events in the financial markets. Up until this past summer or autumn, "BondDad" presented his analysis from a perspective I fully agreed with: the U.S. economy was much weaker than it appeared to be because wages and earnings for the working and middle classes have stagnated since the 1970s, and a monstrous bubble of debt has been created to allow Americans to keep consuming despite their declining incomes.

But the past few months I have been increasingly distressed by BondDad’s postings, which have swung into alignment with Rubinomics – the Bill Clinton / Democratic Party version of "free trade’ "free market" economics which is unfortunately called "neo-liberalism." Yesterday BondDad posted a diary reporting Barack Obama has been endorsed by former Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker. BondDad cannot seem to say enough nice things about Volcker:

Volcker's actions in the early 1980s are the primary reason the country didn't fall into a period of rapidly escalating inflation in the early 1980s.

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Volcker is one of the few economists who has correctly diagnosed the the central problem of the US economy

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Volcker has "been there and done that" in more ways then one.  He is an accomplished economist with solid practical real-world experience.  
This is an endorsement that carries a great deal of weight with the economic crowd.

In his epic Latin poem,The Aeneid, Virgil tells us that when Laocoon, the Trojan leader, awakened to find his soldiers dragging the massive Greek ruse into the city, he ran toward the city’s gates, screaming the warning "O wretched countrymen! What fury reigns? What more than madness has possess'd your brains? . . . Somewhat is sure design'd, by fraud or force. Trust not their presents, nor admit the horse."

Consider this my Laocoonian scream.

If anything or anyone pleases "the economic crowd" at this point, the best thing to do is to take it or them, wrap them in a few hundred pounds of chain, and throw them into some very deep water. Then drop depth charges, just to be sure.

The "economic crowd" that BondDad is apparently now so keen to please is exactly the structure of power that must be demolished if we are to repair this broken, bleeding country of ours and get it moving forward again. BondDad’s "economic crowd" are the cruel-hearted bastards that told Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, and dozens of other countries in the 1980s and 1990s that it is better for schools and hospitals to close and for children to starve than to miss a few interest payments to the financiers and bankers of Wall Street, Switzerland, and the City of London.

BondDad’s "economic crowd" are the warped geniuses that showed Enron, Tyco, Adelphia, and MCI/Worldcom how to game the system and cook their books, then walked away with billions of dollars in commissions and fees when each one of those rotten messes collapsed.

BondDad’s "economic crowd" are the vicious little swine who are anxiously awaiting the next President of the United States to begin "saving" Social Security by establishing "private accounts."

O wretched countrymen! What fury reigns? What more than madness has possess'd your brains?

Here’s the real story on Paul Volcker, in a somewhat lengthy but important history of the strategic financial movements and policies that have destroyed most of our real economy, The Financial Tsunami: The Financial Foundations of the American Century by William Engdahl:

In August 1979, to restore world "confidence" in the dollar, President Jimmy Carter . . . was forced by the big New York banks, led by David Rockefeller’s Chase Manhattan, to accept Paul Volcker, a protégé of Rockefeller’s from Chase Manhattan Bank, as new Chairman of the Federal Reserve with an open mandate to do what was necessary to save the dollar as reserve currency.

On taking office, Volcker bluntly announced, "the standard of living for the average American has to decline." He was Rockefeller’s hand-picked choice to save the New York financial markets and the dollar at the expense of the nation’s welfare.

In a 1988 book, Secrets of the Temple: How the Federal Reserve Runs the Country, William Grieder revealed how Volcker deliberately pushed the Unites States onto the path of having the economy increasingly under control of Wall Street. Under the Keynesian full-employment policies that the U.S. followed after emerging from World War 2, the Fed’s approach to controlling inflation was limited almost entirely to its manipulation of monetary aggregates. The longest-serving Fed chairman to date has been William McChesney Martin, Jr., who served from 1951 to 1970. His replacement, selected by Richard Nixon, was Arthur Burns, whose macroeconomic analysis had greatly influenced Milton Friedman’s work, as reflected in Friedman’s and co-author Anna Schwartz's massive tome A Monetary History of the United States, 1867–1960. The great irony is that under Burns, the Fed’s focus on inflation changed to a "cost-push" interpretation: the basic problem that needed to be addressed was the inflationary impact of increasing wages.

Yet further irony – Nixon believed he had lost the 1960 election because of the Fed’s monetary tightening, which caused a recession that year. When Nixon appointed Burns chairman, he made very clear to Burns that he expected the Fed to flow "easy credit" into the economy to pave the way for Nixon’s reelection in1972. When there were signs that Burns might resist, articles appeared in the U.S. media suggesting that new legislation was required to diminish the Fed’s power and authority. As a result, according to the Fed Board of Governors meeting minutes of November 1970, Burns believed that:

...prospects were dim for any easing of the cost-push inflation generated by union demands. However, the Federal Reserve could not do anything about those influences except to impose monetary restraint, and he did not believe the country was willing to accept for any long period an unemployment rate in the area of 6 percent.

It is in this context that Volcker first enters our notice, as Undersecretary of the Treasury for International Affairs. As Engdahl relates, in this position, Volcker played a key role in convincing Nixon to stave off the growing international crisis of confidence in the U.S. economy and the dollar by the simple expedient of changing the rules -- ending convertibility of the dollar into gold at the $35 an ounce established in the Bretton Woods agreement. This completelt destroyed the post-World War Two international monetary order, and it is arguably the first and most important step in financial deregulation, and creating the conditions in which financial derivatives and speculation could flourish. Adding to these problems, of course, was the burden of paying for the Vietnam War, which both Lyndon Johnson and Nixon tried to do by borrowing.

The 1973 Oil Embargo was the next nasty shock to the U.S. economy. Here, instead of beginning a serious national effort to find an alternative to an industrial economy based on fossil fuels, the policy became that of a "post-industrial" society, with secret arrangements made for the massive amounts of dollars being pumped into the Middle East and the Persian Gulf to be recycled back into the United States, creating a debt bubble that would paper over the reality of how the U.S. industrial economy was being wrecked. The specific "petro-dollar" agreements that accomplished this are covered by John Perkins in his book, Confessions of an Economic Hit Man.

These are not sound policies, at least, not if you’re interested in maintaining an industrial economy and preserving the post-war gains of the middle and working classes. By the late 1970s, the U.S. economy was beset with stagflation, a condition which mainstream economics had never thought possible. Probably because mainstream economics was still thinking in terms of a functioning industrial economy. So, when Volcker became Fed chairman in August 1979, a number of basic U.S. industries were in bad shape, particularly the bedrock industries: automobiles, steel, and machine tools. One of the Big Three car makers, Chrysler, was near  bankruptcy. At the same time, the Hunt brothers had attempt to corner the market for silver, but had failed and were failing to meet margin calls. What Grieder details in his book is how Volcker confirmed the fundamental shift in Federal Reserve policy of Burns, by choosing to help the Hunt brothers, while letting Chrysler twist slowly in the wind.  (Congress soon afterwards arranged an emergency loan for Chrysler). As Engdahl notes in his recent piece, Volcker had fundamentally altered the rules of the game: it was now "What's good for Wall Street is good for the country." And the real, physical economy could go to hell -- and it has, taking millions of decent paying jobs and much of American prosperity with it.

In his review of Greider’s Secrets of the Temple, Alan S. Murray, who met with Volcker twice, wrote in the January 1988 Washington Monthly

Volcker also represents what is most troubling about the Federal Reserve. Like his institution, he is aloof and disdainful of the messy ways of democratic government. He always operated in secret, and he was proud of his ability to give evasive answers that obscured the central bank's most important actions, even when those actions were sending shock waves through the lives of every American. In response to a reporter's question, Volcker once said gruffly: "We did what we did, we didn't do what we didn't do, and the result was what happened." The response typified his attitude towards an informed public. . . .

"Neither Congress nor the White House . . . could affect private lives with the immediacy and universal reach of the Federal Reserve's power, its ability to send instant signals rippling through every family's financial decisions, to change the incentives in virtually every business transaction," Greider writes. "The paradox for democracy was obvious: the Washington institution that was most intimately influential in the lives of ordinary citizens was the one they least understood, the one most securely shielded from popular control."

In another review of Grieder’s Secrets of the Temple, Steve Badrich is wonderfully concise and perfectly encapsulates the problem with BondDad’s diary:

The press commonly kowtows to Fed members as dispassionate wizards, whose decisions are based on technical criteria lying outside (or above) politics. Long-time Fed chairman Paul Volcker was often portrayed as the father who saved his children (us) from self- indulgence and 70s inflation.

Greider's contrary view is as simple as his arguments for it are longwinded. He sees the Fed as a racket designed to insulate crucial economic decisions from popular control. The Fed's propaganda war against "inflation" justifies the high interest rates that have wrecked the economy, while providing mega-payoffs to the superrich. Such populism is anathema to the respectable press . . .

I had read Greider’s book, many, many years ago, and I had grown up in the 1970s, so I knew that Bonddad’s praise of Volcker was unmerited. I found the above excerpts in just a few minutes of Google searches. But, over 300 DailyKos readers gave Bonddad’s posting a recommend, and left over 200 comments, more than 10 to one favorable. If so many progressives are that uninformed about economics and finance, then . . . then . . . hell, what’s the use? Vote Democratic, vote Republican – it’s not going to make a bit of difference to "the economic crowd."  

O wretched countrymen! What fury reigns? What more than madness has possess'd your brains?

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    •  It's a big tent (13+ / 0-)

      Posting your opinion is all well but there's no need for "trojan horse" comments.

      "They're telling us something we don't understand"
      General Charles de Gaulle, Mai '68

      by subtropolis on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:16:25 AM PDT

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    •  Well, OK (21+ / 0-)

      I can see that using "Trojan Horse" is a bit much. I don't particularly care that Volcker endorsed Obama, and actually, I rather reluctantly agree that it's not an entirely bad thing that "the economic crowd" is not freaking over the possibility of an Obama candidacy and presidency.

      And, furthermore, I recognize that I am much more of an anti-Wall Street radical that Bonddad and most of the rest of you are ever going to be.

      But it is simply unconscionable that anyone should believe or state that Volcker did well by the country. Furthermore, my position is that at this time, the financial system, which encompasses much more than Wall Street, is the bane and the enemy American business and real industrial capitalism. And if people can't be made to understand that, then I think the country is doomed to a slow, increasingly painful decline in living standards. I believe that if the power of Wall Street were destroyed, and capital allowed to flow to real business and entrepreneurs, that the United States could avoid that decline by creating and bringing to market the technologies and products required for a modern economy based on alternative energies.

      A conservative is a scab for the oligarchy.

      by NBBooks on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:39:41 AM PDT

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      •  Now that's a post I can recommend. (6+ / 0-)

        Thanks for dialing in a more realistic and more constructive economic critique than your original diary.

        I don't fully agree with you, but I'll stand up and cheer some bits:

        Furthermore, my position is that at this time, the financial system, which encompasses much more than Wall Street, is the bane and the enemy American business and real industrial capitalism. And if people can't be made to understand that, then I think the country is doomed to a slow, increasingly painful decline in living standards.

        We'll disagree about the best medicine, but I'm with you entirely on the premise that we need major structural reforms in our economy, and that starts with a change in attitude.

        [btw I'm an Obama supporter who is not at all pleased by the touting of Volcker among his endorsements. The list includes a lot of folks who will be a LOT more helpful than he in reconstructing our social and economic fabric!]

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        by pat208 on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:46:37 AM PDT

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      •  I rec'd your diary, becauseI agree (2+ / 0-)

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        about Volker.  But you should probably change the title.

        There is a time when the operation of the machine becomes so odious...that you've got to put your bodies on the gears...and make it stop. -- Mario Savio

        by Boston Boomer on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:48:53 AM PDT

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        •  Not enough. (2+ / 0-)

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          The whole "trojan horse" thing is a gimmick.

          BondDad has built respect and a following here through a body of work that is unsurpassed by anyone on any topic at DKos. Now he's a big guy and can defend his own writing. He's certainly not above being challenged or debated.

          But swooping in with this "trojan horse" thing and discounting months of his work is bogus. It's a cheap trick and frankly, anyone who has put as much work into such a serious topic as this deserves a little more respect than that.

          Frankly, it looks to me like you're trying to play giant killer. Put. The slingshot. Down.

          Well Dayum! The Fat Lady just sang her tits right off!

          by homogenius on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 08:26:33 AM PDT

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      •  I understand where (1+ / 0-)

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        you're coming from.  

        But I look at it this way.  There are an awful lot of people out there who don't follow politics at all like those of us who frequent dkos.

        They're busy with their lives and their businesses. And though they may make the time to read an indepth article or two before they vote in an election, mostly they skim the headlines on politics and that's it.

        Many of those business types remember Volcker very positively as obviously bonddad does.  His endorsement of Obama as a viable candidate is huge among that group who probably have not paid much attention to any of the things that you and I have studied up on.

        My husband definitely falls into that group (though I'm slowly but surely indoctrinating him).  When I told him about the Volcker endorsement, his surprise and positive reaction were significant.

        Now did Volcker enable some of the Reagan, neo-con policies and the corporatist takeover of our government?  Yes, undoubtedly he assisted there but I think his endorsement is somewhat like Ann Coulter's endorsement of Hillary.  Hillary may not have sought it out but she's not going to repudiate it if it opens up a new group of voters willing to vote for her.  I do not think that it means that Hillary endorses or agrees with anything that Ann Coulter puts out.  

        The corresponding is true for Obama and Volcker.  The endorsement is not a bad thing for Obama.  

    •  please take this down (2+ / 0-)

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      it contains accusations about another poster unsupported by any factual evidence and this diary amounts to one long personal attack.

      My guess is that the Clinton campaign will come up with a plan to deal with spontaneity. -Charlie Cook

      by waitingforvizzini on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:43:26 AM PDT

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    •  It's a big tent II (8+ / 0-)

      Look, I disagree with Bonddad a lot too.  But there is no doubt that he is well within the democratic tent.  His economic worldview is one that champions the middle and working class.  He's had literally dozens of diaries taking on RW economic talking points.

      Bonddad thinks a balanced budget is critical to keeping interest rates low, which in turn are critical to the economy not being choked by billions of debt owed to rich plutocrats and foreign governments.  That, in my book, is a responsible democratic position.

      I also appreciate William Greider, and I do think this Fed (especially under Greenspan) has been way too in cahoots with Wall Street investment houses and the Ayn Randian-refusal to stop the runaway train of predatory loans that were a critical enabler of the housing bubble.

      There is room for Robert Rubin, Paul Krugman and Robert Reich within the democratic tent.  It's a question of balancing progressive economic programs with budget responsibility.  I don't have a problem with that.  If taking on former Rockefeller/Eisenhower Republicans into the tent is what gives us a generation-long governing majority, I say GO FOR IT!

      I've given you a tip and a rec, because it's a good thing to point out that, despite his big fan club, bonddad isn't God.  As I'm sure he himself would admit.

      Cheers.

      "When the going gets tough, the tough get 'too big to fail'."

      by New Deal democrat on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:46:36 AM PDT

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  •  That's a pretty nasty premise (10+ / 0-)

    I hope you can substantiate your claim that Bondad is in cahoots with some enemy.

    Daily Kos used to be worthwhile.

    by andgarden on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:18:06 AM PDT

  •  "Trojan Horse." (15+ / 0-)

    A respected member of one wing of the Democratic Party hiding inside a blog that is intended to elect... Democrats?

    I don't find that objectionable. I find that interesting fodder for policy and strategy debates about economics.

    Bonddad's perspective may not be as progressive as you like, but IMHO he's clearly not a Republican in disguise. He's a business-oriented (and business-educated) Democrat. We got plenty of 'em, and they play a valuable role in our dialog.

    What I do find objectionable is your equating Rubinomics with the greedy criminality of Enronomics, and your scaremongering about privitization of Social Security:

    BondDad’s "economic crowd" are the warped geniuses that showed Enron, Tyco, Adelphia, and MCI/Worldcom how to game the system and cook their books, then walked away with billions of dollars in commissions and fees when each one of those rotten messes collapsed.

    BondDad’s "economic crowd" are the vicious little swine who are anxiously awaiting the next President of the United States to begin "saving" Social Security by establishing "private accounts."

    What is your evidence that Bonddad endorses these positions? Absent evidence, this is clearly just an overheated "call out" diary.

    John McCain: Getting Terrorists off America's Lawn since 1880

    by pat208 on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:18:40 AM PDT

  •  Bondad is well-liked here... (8+ / 0-)

    You may disagree with him, of course, but ad-hominem stuff is just going to turn people off to what you have to say.

  •  Maybe I haven't had enough coffee (19+ / 0-)

    but I didn't read this as a call out at all.   And I have very high regard for bonddad.

    I do think it is valid to examine Volker's positions and whether his endorsement of Obama should be considered a feather in Obama's cap.

    It's the Supreme Court, Stupid!

    by Radiowalla on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:26:28 AM PDT

  •  Gasp! * faint * (9+ / 0-)

    Hyperbole.

    You could have addressed this issues without all the high drama.

    Trojan horse?

    Please.

    **Less than four months until the general election.**
    Just a reminder for those who have other priorities.

    by Spathiphyllum on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:28:26 AM PDT

    •  In my neck of the woods, Trojan is a by-word (6+ / 0-)

      for quality condoms "All else is futile!"

      Sic Transit Gloria Locavore!

      by Asinus Asinum Fricat on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:30:04 AM PDT

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    •  It's not hyperbole (9+ / 0-)

      and I'll one up your stinking gerbil video.

      That smokestack was all that was left of the Chevy plant in Muncie, Indiana where three generations of my family worked and made their way into the middle class.

      It's the lives of the men and women that've lost the hope that their children will be better off than them that show that what NBBooks is talking about isn't hyperbole.

      Bonddad and the Rubinites solution to this is to reeducate the people who been dispossessed by the economic policies that enrich his class: those who live by the manipulation of wealth rather than work.  

      Wealth produces no value of its own, it only sucks the lifeblood out of others, exploiting those who do work by taking the value they create in order to benefit the class that holds it.

      The education myth is a clever ruse to cast moral aspersions on the men and women who played by the rules, and still got screwed while the big boys did what Hitler couldn't do and ripped out the heart of the American economy.

      In its place they have built up a false edifice of financial instruments that produce no value.  They only take it from others.

      American productivity has been steadily increasing as have working hours, yet the fruit of this labor has not accrued to the men and women who produced it.  Instead it has been expropriated by the money managers who have become capital incarnate.

      And the problem with these parasites is that they've damn near killed the patient. And no amount of cajoling or moral aspersion is going to correct that.  There's going to have to be a reclamation of wealth from those who have stolen it to be given to those who produced it.

      And Bondad and the gang see that as fundamentally problematic, because it endangers their class.

      •  I was referring to the use of "Trojan Horse" (3+ / 0-)

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        which other commenters and even the diarist admits was over the top:

        I can see that using "Trojan Horse" is a bit much.

        That's all.

        Everything else is worthy of a diary and discussion, just without the drama.

        **Less than four months until the general election.**
        Just a reminder for those who have other priorities.

        by Spathiphyllum on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:50:47 AM PDT

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  •  Okay . . . you all fight about which economic (8+ / 0-)

    theory is right or more democratic or whatever . . . I don't understand any of them anyway. (I'm a non-creative-class, non-middle-class, old fashioned sort of Democrat).

    All I know is that for the last thirty years my life's been getting harder and harder while some people are getting really big rewards for making it harder.

    Big whoop.
    Republicans, democrats, centrists, moderates, conservatives, free marketeers, fair traders, free traders . . . it doesn't matter.  As far as I can tell it's all bullshit to justify lining the pockets of the already rich or rationalizations to let the better off feel superior.

    "But as post-apocalypse splendor goes, I've done wonders with the place." -- Riley, BTVS

    by prodigal on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:28:46 AM PDT

  •  I, too, was shocked (15+ / 0-)

    to see Bonddad praise Volcker.  I remember the Reagan years, especially the early ones.  I was trading the new S&P futures back then.  

    The Volcker years were a disaster.  1982, 1983 were so bad, some of us thought we might be descending into not just a recession, but a depression.  I hope we don't have to live through another period like that anytime soon.

    It's true, he squelched inflation, but he did it through massive, ham-handed intervention, sort of gross-tuning rather than fine-tuning.  And even that might not have done the trick but for the implosion of foreign oil prices about the same time, so he may not deserve any credit at all.

    Let's not forget during the same time the number of businesses that failed and left the United States for good during that period.  You might blame Reagan for that, but Volcker too deserves a great deal of credit for that disaster.  A number of famous old brand-names disappeared forever.  It was very sad.

    •  Volcker was appointed by Carter (1+ / 0-)

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      "When the President does it, it's not illegal" - Richard Nixon, 1974; US Congress, 2008

      by nightsweat on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:51:31 AM PDT

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    •  I too remember the early 1980s, and the effects (2+ / 0-)

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      of Volker's "shock therapy" that employed much of the same structural adjustment approach pioneered at IMF/World Bank in countries such as Chile to bring inflation and real wages down in the United States.

      One of the cornerstones of IMF policies was the doctrine of "competitive advantage"; that required the dismantling of local industry in favor of cheaper imports.  Another cornerstone of that model was to lift government subsidies and regulation of business, and elimination of barriers to the offshoring of capital and profits.

      Volker's single-minded obsession with de-inflation, and lowering of interest rates, went along with a willingness to sacrifice employment and middle-class living standards.  Furthermore, this left behind the legacy of offshoring, as U.S. companies shifted investments, operations and jobs abroad.

      In practice, we traded high-paying jobs in Ohio Chrysler plants for lower-priced imported consumer goods at Walmart.

      In theory, this trade-off was supposed to reduce the cost of capital and labor, along with prices for goods and services, maximizing benefits to investors without starving the population. Even if public sector jobs were cut, and industrial wages dropped, the reduced cost of living was supposed to compensate.  That was the theory, anyway.

      The promise was, rising profits would be reinvested in new technologies, creating a demand for large numbers of skilled service sector and IT jobs, particularly in the U.S.  There is the implied assumption, of course, that these jobs would remain in the U.S.  

      Three decades into this experiment in privatization, deindustrialization, deregulation and globalization, we're seeing how this has indeed driven down the cost of money, increasing profit margins (driving up stock indexes and incomes at the top around the world). However, the globalization of markets also means that investors need not return profits to American firms.  That means a cut in real wages for relatively privileged American workers, and spiralling decline in living standards to much lower global levels.

      Volker's lasting accomplishment was that he transferred income upwards and outwards, but radically narrowed the economic base inside the U.S.  His structural adjustment model is now swaying in the breeze, and we are watching and waiting to see when the edifice finally reaches its tipping-point.

      I, too, was shocked to see Bondad endorse Volker.

      If this were my diary, I might have shifted the ire contained in the Trojan Horse metaphor.  The ideal of an open global market and low real interest rates and prices pushed by Volker in the 1980s was the metaphorical trojan horse that contained the real ruin of Bush-era Disaster Capitalism.

  •  Interesting diary...a little inflamatory... (8+ / 0-)

    but what the hell. An education in the dismal science isn't necessarily cheap.

    I'm not sure what motivates Bondad to uprate Volcker, whether it's naivete, or some perverse hope of pleasing the big boys. But what I think most of the DKos crowd was reacting to was yet another Obama endorsement. In short, it's not so much about being pleased with Volcker as being pleased that someone of Volcker's stature (deserved or not) has endorsed Obama.

    There's one other thing, despite my own preference for Greider's view on this matter, Volcker has come down on the sane side of an argument that we're still having in this country, but which many Europeans (most?) have already dispensed with:

    Speaking to the American Chamber of Commerce in Egypt, Volcker said the argument that taxes on oil or carbon emissions, for example, would ruin an economy was "fundamentally false."

    "First of all, I don't think (such a step) is going to have that much of an impact on the economy overall. Second of all, if you don't do it, you can be sure that the economy will go down the drain in the next 30 years," Volcker said, referring to the impact forecast by a U.N. report last week.

    ...

    Volcker told some 200 Egyptian and foreign business executives that he had been surprised by the warm winter in New York and the cold weather in Cairo, where temperatures dropped to 48 F (9 Celsius) on Tuesday. "Global warming seems to be catching up with us pretty quickly," he commented.

    "What may happen to the dollar, and what may happen to growth in China or whatever," he said, raising his voice, "pale into insignificance compared with the question of what happens to this planet over the next 30 or 40 years if no action is taken."

    Volcker may have sold America's industrial base down the river to enrich his financial pals, but he's a strong voice among the Wall Street mandarins that we need to address Global warming and other 'challenges' now. Not later.

    What I'm really curious about is Volcker opting for Obama over the more 'neoliberal' HRC.  His supposed rationale: a 'new leadership' and 'fresh approach' could have been as easily used to rationalize an HRC endorsement as an Obama endorsement.

    "However, it is not the current turmoil in markets or the economic uncertainties that have impelled my decision. Rather, it is the breadth and depth of challenges that face our nation at home and abroad. Those challenges demand a new leadership and a fresh approach."

    Ideas?

    Full disclosure: I prefer Edwards to Obama, and Obama to HRC.

    •  Could Volker have grown? (1+ / 0-)

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      One way to look at it might be that when Volker was Fed chairman, he worked for a certain boss and was expected to tackle certain problems and deliver certain results. Within the frame of his job, he performed pretty successfully.

      Decades have now passed, and he is no longer Fed chair. Certain considerations that might have seemed speculative in 1980 (peak oil, global warming) are now solidly confirmed. In retirement, he is free to speak as himself, rather than as his job requires. Sort of like Al Gore, perhaps.

      "What may happen to the dollar, and what may happen to growth in China or whatever," he said, raising his voice, "pale into insignificance compared with the question of what happens to this planet over the next 30 or 40 years if no action is taken."

      I couldn't agree more. This is the statement of a guy who sees what the problem is, and sees that the remedy must be proportionate to the threat.

      Perhaps Volker is simply a man who attempts to solve whatever problem is put in front of him. If the problem is inflation, he solves that. If it is global warming, he solves that too. One difference seems to be that now he is solving the problem of deciding which problem most needs to be solved.

      Sorry for the rambilng comment. Bottom line: the Volker of today might not be the same as 20 or 30 years ago, and his endorsement is both important and welcome.

  •  Do you have the link to the second part (1+ / 0-)

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    of the article.  It's really a fascinating read.  I don't know much about economics, but it's pretty chilling. The engdahl article that is.

    There is no way to peace. Peace is the way. - Mahatma Gandhi

    by otis704 on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:39:01 AM PDT

  •  I am interested in the ending quote (3+ / 0-)

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    Is that something you came up with your self.

    There is no question that american wages have stagnated since globalization began and this is now being rethought.

    I don't have a link but there is an article on this in this weeks Business Week page 32.

    Something has to be done or we are back to 1929.

    The middle class is the engine of growth in this country. Beggar it as we have been doing and the whole economy wil come down.

    This time around though there is no one we can pick a war with to bail us out of a new depression.

    •  I've been saying this since Reagan. (0+ / 0-)

      My version:

      The middle class is the engine that has run our economy since WWII. They are killing the goose that laid the golden egg.

      (OK, I said that long before I knew what a mixed metaphor was, but you get the idea.)

      Well Dayum! The Fat Lady just sang her tits right off!

      by homogenius on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 08:31:54 AM PDT

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  •  Important Warning (10+ / 0-)

    For the progressive political changes now under way to be effective, we must not lose sight of the economic arena. We must avoid continuing the same economic policies that hurt people by putting the welfare of large economic institutions first.

     It is refreshing to read a different point of view and your warning about our complacency.  I like it because it makes me think and re-evaluate.

    Even though your essay really got my attention, it would have been better without your ad hominem attack on Bonddad, because I had to stifle my negative reaction to that part of your note while considering what you are warning us about.  

    Bush hijacked the US with lies about 9/11 and crashed it into Iraq, killing over 500,000 human beings. So far, he's avoided arrest and prosecution.

    by Zydekos on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:40:08 AM PDT

    •  Yeah, I gotta agree with all that (2+ / 0-)

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      I really like to read bonddad's stuff.  It has helped me with my 401K to read what he was talking about and get a little bit better idea.  I think the points the diarist makes are worthy of discussion, the bonddad issue aside.

      There is no way to peace. Peace is the way. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by otis704 on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:45:11 AM PDT

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  •  people forget (6+ / 0-)

    many remember that Volcker landed the country in deep recession to stave off a falling dollar and to avoid inflation, he probably was one of the most short-sighted and worst fed chair ever, but then again the Obama followers it is all about the cult and endorsement and thus propagation of the cult most were not even born during the 70s to witness recession, long gas lines and everything else that brought Reagan to power.

    •  It's not a cult! (2+ / 0-)

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      We're a friggin alien invasion!

      And you're going to have to close your eyes soon. You're so tired! You really could just sleep a few minutes!

      Just don't look in the basement.

      "Stare at the monster: remark/ How difficult it is to define just what/ Amounts to monstrosity in that/ Very ordinary appearance." - Ted Hughes

      by MarkC on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:47:08 AM PDT

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      •  it is a cult (1+ / 0-)

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        if the post the diarist was talking about received such high recommends...I remember wondering how in the world so many Obama people went wild over this endorsement.  It just means we really don't understand what's going on here.  So following the trail of endorsements without critical thinking exposes all of us to the cult you deny exists.

        I do not want a cult movement in the whitehouse!  I want people to use their brains!

        By the way, notice Volkler did not endorse HRC?  What do you think that means?

        sign the petition at http://www.impeachbush.org

        by DrKate on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:51:48 AM PDT

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        •  DrKate! (3+ / 0-)

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          If you deem it a cult, then it must be a cult! You're one of the extra-cultiest Clinton supporters, so I defer to your insider expertise!

          Now, where could I have gotten the idea we were actually pod people? Could it be a sense of humor about the rhetorical excesses of the extreme fringes of both campaigns? Hmm. . .

          "Stare at the monster: remark/ How difficult it is to define just what/ Amounts to monstrosity in that/ Very ordinary appearance." - Ted Hughes

          by MarkC on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:57:14 AM PDT

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          •  my apologies (3+ / 0-)

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            I swore to myself this weekend to stop this accusing anyone of a cult thing.  Sincere apologies and promises to stop.

            Actually I am an Edwards supporter....leaning Clinton....now my 93 year old mom decided to vote for Obama (she's a lifelong republican), and of course, now I have to rethink everything.

            So if you can forgive me for this....

            sign the petition at http://www.impeachbush.org

            by DrKate on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 08:00:53 AM PDT

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            •  Thank you. n/t (2+ / 0-)

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            •  Sincerely: (2+ / 0-)

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              Thanks for the response. I like your real voice, which is different from your drive-by voice.

              I am an Obama supporter, but I'm from Hyde Park originally, and so I know his old district. People know he isn't perfect, but he also is without a doubt very progressive. I have dear friends and relatives who support Clinton, and was actually did think about supporting Edwards. And I sort of want my old community here back, so I'm just trying to talk people down from anything that ends with the suffix "-bot." Truth be told, Obama is getting a lot of superficial support. But that does not mean that there is no there there.

              Thanks again.

              "Stare at the monster: remark/ How difficult it is to define just what/ Amounts to monstrosity in that/ Very ordinary appearance." - Ted Hughes

              by MarkC on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 08:08:17 AM PDT

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        •  Bonddad posted it (1+ / 0-)

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          which makes it a more or less instant rec' magnet.

          I'm old enough to remember Volcker, so I didn't know what to make of that endorsement. But if all you know about the guy is what Bonddad posted then he doesn't sound too bad.

          I don't need an endorsement to know what Clinton's economics are. I remember them, too. Two words: Alan Greenspan.

          No laws but Liberty. No king but Conscience.

          by oldjohnbrown on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 08:02:12 AM PDT

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        •  It just means (0+ / 0-)

          That Hillary already has Robert Rubin's support sewn up.

          I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
          Neither is California High Speed Rail

          by eugene on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 08:05:13 AM PDT

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    •  I'm voting for Obama (3+ / 0-)

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      And I agree with this diary. It worries me that Volcker is backing Obama, and I thought bonddad's lovefest for Volcker left a LOT of facts out that Kossacks needed to see to accurately assess Volcker's tenure as a Fed chairman.

      I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
      Neither is California High Speed Rail

      by eugene on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 08:04:36 AM PDT

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  •  Please Consider ReWriting This Important Warning (7+ / 0-)

    I would love to recommend it, but can not do so because of the Bonddad stuff.

    Bush hijacked the US with lies about 9/11 and crashed it into Iraq, killing over 500,000 human beings. So far, he's avoided arrest and prosecution.

    by Zydekos on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:48:52 AM PDT

  •  Hitting The Nail On The Head (3+ / 0-)

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    BondDad’s "economic crowd" are the cruel-hearted bastards that told Mexico, Argentina, Brazil, and dozens of other countries in the 1980s and 1990s that it is better for schools and hospitals to close and for children to starve than to miss a few interest payments to the financiers and bankers of Wall Street, Switzerland, and the City of London.

    Beautifully stated!

    Remember how the devaluation of the Mexican peso in the early 1990s was dictated by the World Bank as the quid pro quo for a bailout?  The US, and the rest of the suppliers of capital to the World Bank, took marching orders from Wall Street to protect their risky lending practices in the form of a mandated "austerity" program for the Mexican government and  where lots of Mexican citizens suffered in the process.

    Given that the US is now approaching 10 Trillion in national debt wouldn't it be about time for the world to insist that the US devalue the dollar and require that we enact our own austerity program as a condition for buying more US Treasuries on the open market?

  •  Rec'd in spite of the title (3+ / 0-)

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    I think Bonddad's position as a centrist is well known. I've rec'd many of his diaries because they were informative and thoughtful and a glimpse into a mindset I don't often run across, not because I agreed with everything he said.

    Otherwise I agree. I remember a lot of cold winters under Volcker, and I'm amazed at how completely right-wing economic theory has become common sense. Of course, it is common sense for a certain class of people...

    No laws but Liberty. No king but Conscience.

    by oldjohnbrown on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 07:59:03 AM PDT

  •  Excellent diary! (0+ / 0-)

    Good on you, NBB!

    Don't change a word!  Quoting Engdahl was courageous and absolutely overdue in this forum.  As I remember Reagan tried to throw Volcker out and replace him with Preston Martin.  When that failed Dr. Martin joined forces with William Simon, former Treasury Secretary, to buy up Savings and Loans that then went belly up at the taxpayer's expense.  A lot of rot at the top for a long time.

    Time for a change alright.

    The Shock Doctrine by Naomi Klein -- best book ever, I nominate for a Nobel Prize!

    by xaxado on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 08:31:34 AM PDT

  •  I gotta agree with you. (0+ / 0-)

    One wonders why Obama would want an endorsement from Paul "The standard of living of the average american has got to decrease" Volcker.

    I don't often agree wholly with anything anyone on this site says, but you pretty much nailed this.

    And I'm curious to see people try to explain it away.

  •  Robert Rubin is a Democrat too (1+ / 0-)

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    I also have some disagreements with both BondDad and Rubin. But both are Democrats, who largely share the same goals as most of us, and who I might differ with on some of the details of how to achieve those goals. And when it comes to economics, both at least mostly know what they are talking about. I would like to see a broader perspective represented here on economic matters. But BondDad's perspective is also valuable.

    What I don't care for in this diary is the anti-intellectualism of it. It is one thing to wish to present the views of other respected economists of he left. It is another to rail about "the economic crowd". This reminds me of the right wingers who don't like the results of environmental scientists, and thus rail against "the environmental crowd".

    So, if you have an economic argument to make, make one that makes sense. I might have some general sympathy with Greider's view here, for example, that the Fed is perhaps targeting inflation a bit more than needed and unemployment a bit less than needed. But how is this consistent with arguing in favor of the gold standard?  

    A bit of basic economic history is perhaps needed here.  The original populist movement of the 1890's was a coalition of farmers and labor organizations which coalesced around a movement in large part dedicated to getting the country off the gold standard. Why? Because it was deflationary, and in large part responsible for the longest depression in our nation's history (the long depression). Thus William Jennings Bryan railed about the "corss of gold".

    So populists, and later progressives, generally favored "looser" monetary policy, focused more on maintaining employment than fighting inflation. If you are arguing for the gold standard, you might as well be supporting Ron Paul; it's simply not a progressive position.

    Likewise, I do think the Fed should be a bit more directly under political control. Perhaps a president should be allowed to directly appoint several members of the OMC upon taking office for example. But, when you elect the wrong political leadership, as we have had for the last 7 years, this would only make things worse. Sometimes Fed independence is a good thing.

    And, it is important to recognize that the Fed in many ways is a result of progressive reforms. It was created in the administration of Woodrow Wilson, one of our more progressive presidents, by legislation supported unanimously by Democrats of that era, and it was improved on during the administration of FDR. This is why we have a central bank that is an independent government agency charged with using monetary policy in part to benefit workers by targeting low unemployment. Things would be a lot worse if they were left entirely to the bankers.

    Now, fast forward to the Volcker era, and recognize that this was a different situation from the long depression. Yes Volcker focused more on inflation rather than unemployment, but he also came into office at a time when inflation was in double digits, running 12%-14% per year. He wasn't dealing with the long depression; inflation was clearly too high and did need to be targeted more.

    The bottom line here is that the Fed has far less influence overall on the economy than fiscal policy. The best the Fed can do is target inflation at a reasonably low rate, in the 2%-4% range. If there are imbalances that lead to unemployment being too high, the best remedy there is normally government spending to increase employment.

    I suspect that most of the critiques, like this one, and other which I see all around the internet, which scapegoat the Fed so much do so partly because this appeals to libertarians, whose economic philosophy precludes them admitting that the larger problem is insufficient government spending.

    The economy left to it's own devices will not stabilize at or near full employment, plain and simple. We need fiscal policy to address that; monetary policy is next to useless for that purpose.

  •  You know what I'd like to see? (0+ / 0-)

    Is a series of diaries by you that refute the ideas that you find objectionable in Bondads' diaries.  I don't agree with him much of the time, but I do respect his opinion.  It bothers me, however, that you are using this trojan horse metaphor rather than simply getting to the point about ideas.  I recommend many diaries I don't exactly agree with because I like to see discussions that don't just mimic my own perspective.  You seem knowledgeable, so educate us.

    Speak softly and carry a big can of tuna.

    by Cat Whisperer on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 09:04:03 AM PDT

  •  Ethics or economics (0+ / 0-)

    good posting. It exposes the rotteness of many of our common assumptions. Here's a few of my assumptions and observations:

    I live in a democracy, a democratic republic to be exact, that grants the people the right and power to regulate commerece. Our constitution does not grant power to commerece to regulate the people.

    We have allowed ourselves to be ruled by the wealthy and powerful, rather than our average citizen.

    The core problem most have is that they have allowed our economic theories to replace our democratic principals.

    I find few, either conservative, liberal, or progressive that are comfortable with giving up their ability to bribe politicians to achieve their goals.

    Unfortunatly, the combined wealth of the conservatives, liberals, and progressives is no match for the combined wealth of our various special interests.

    Many cannot give up their losing ways, fearing the unknowns of democracy.

    This has not only perverted policy, by corrupting our electoral system, but has made the power and wealth of our country the personal posession of a very small elite.

    This will not change until we level the playing field. The level playing field, democracy, will bring much more of the wisdom of our nation, rather than our greed, into political office.

    Until we re democratize our system, and drive the money changers out of our temple of democracy, both parties will continue to exist on the support of their bribers, rather than their voters.

    Shoot the messenger, then go after the invading army that sent them.

    good work on this posting

    committeefordemocracy.org

    http://committeefordemocracy.org

    by reform on Mon Feb 04, 2008 at 01:18:16 PM PDT

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