Deaniac Reunion

I was talking to a coworker today who worked with Dean at the DNC, and we were wondering who Dean supporters were supporting this time around. I wish I could do 2 polls, but there doesn't seem to be a way to do that. So I made the poll about who your first choice was, before Iowa, and please use the comments to say who you are supporting now.

Before I get a thousand comments saying "Al Gore", I am limiting this poll to people who actually ran and stayed in through Iowa.

Please rec so we can get a big sample. No agenda here, just curious.

•  Tips?

  by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:56:45 PM PDT

  •  more confused

    I thought you would put a little more meat ont eh story because there is the interesting sidestory of where Dean has gone, who opposed him then and who is still opposing him...

    by jpfdeuce on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:59:57 PM PDT

    •  I didn't want to make this divisive

      But I was thinking maybe I'd take the poll and then do another thread with the results and some of that. I assume you mean the Clintons opposing him then (and now)?

      by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:02:06 PM PDT

      •  Yes

        Me bringing up teh Clintons is more of an attempt to bring a point int eh discussion...  yes, it's divisive but it's relevant.

        by jpfdeuce on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:06:06 PM PDT

        •  Do you have more info?

          I have heard that the Clintons and McAuliffe were trying to push him aside behind the scenes when he ran in 2004, but haven't found a source. Do you have one?

          by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:06:48 PM PDT

          •  heh. ask Markos

            by willyr on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:18:40 PM PDT

            •  I thought Markos was in Clinton's camp

              Am I wrong?

              by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:54:32 PM PDT

              •  Markos and a lot of us here

                were big proponents of Dean becoming DNC chair.

                I would (safely) hazard a guess that without DailyKos Howard Dean would not be the head of the DNC.

                Go to the DK archives from that time and you will see.

                by willyr on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:58:59 PM PDT

                •  I meant in Clinton's camp for President

                  I know he was a big part of Dean becoming DNC chair.

                  by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:17:06 PM PDT

                  •  ah..ok. Well Markos can speak for himself but

                    he voted for Obama.

                    Yay.

                    by willyr on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:19:47 PM PDT

                  •  Pretty Sure Not

                    I'm not the authoritative source, because I pretty much stayed on Dean's blog. But I'm pretty sure Markos was not in the Clinton's camp. (I always thought those were the gates he wanted to crash.) IIRC, he liked both Dean and Clark. I don't remember where he went after Dean screamed/dropped out.

                    by Free Spirit on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:12:54 PM PDT

  •  Actually

    migrated to Obama back in 2003/4 -- a few Obama supporters at Dean meetups were very pro-Obama.

    I think at least in Illinois -- it was the Deaniac energy that transferred directly to Obama.

    There's a kindred nature between Obama and Dean.  I think that if Dean wasn't chairman -- he'd be on the  trail for Obama.

    by zonk on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:09:23 PM PDT

    •  Oh yeah, wasn't he part of the first "Dean Dozen"

      I vaguely remember that...does anyone know?

      by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:11:41 PM PDT

      •  Yes he was

        Obama "Original" Dean Dozen

        You can sure see the 50 state strategy in his campaign.

        by loree920 on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:15:39 PM PDT

        •  And me!

          The first, and presumably the last, instance that Barack Obama and myself will be mentioned in the same breath... :)

          by Rob Mac K on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:43:09 PM PDT

    •  I'm in Michigan

      and went to a Dean training in Chicago in Oct. 2003. I saw all these 'Obama' signs - "Who's that?" "You don't know?" "Ummm...no." "You will!"

      And so it happened.

      by memiller on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:18:17 PM PDT

      •  That's exactly the conversation

        that transpired between George W. Bush and Rep. Jan Schakowsky around that same time.  

        by Big River Bandido on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:50:49 PM PDT

      •  Wow, that's an interesting little wrinkle

        bet nobody back then predicted that Obama would be in Dean's shoes four years later.

        by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:16:13 PM PDT

        •  Don't count on it n/t

          by Free Spirit on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:14:37 PM PDT

  •  your list is incomplete

    even if not including favorites of many here like Feingold and Gore

    there was another candidate for several months, Tom Vilsack, and you do not list him.

    by teacherken on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:23:38 PM PDT

    •  good point..Feingold was my first choice

      and I have a Feingold for President tshirt that I wear proudly...everywhere.

      by willyr on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:30:37 PM PDT

    •  Feingold never declared n/t

      by Big River Bandido on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:52:34 PM PDT

    •  I specifically said

      that i was omitting candidates who didn't run. The idea was to find out who people supported this year...you can't do that by including candidates who never ran!

      by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:55:16 PM PDT

      •  It is kind of a shame though

        I wonder how many Deaniacs are not happy with any of the candidates. A year ago, it was my impression was that the majority were either for Gore or Feingold, with limited enthusiasm for anyone else, including Edwards and Obama.

        by Free Spirit on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:18:16 PM PDT

•  I was for Dean in 2000, Edwards this time around.

  now to Barack!

  by Vote4Me on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:57:40 PM PDT

  •  Dean didn't run in 2000

    you mean 2004?

    by jpfdeuce on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:58:35 PM PDT

    •  Or his cousin Harry, who used

      a little known, but well funded, write-in campaign in 2000 ... joking

      by We Shall Overcome on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:05:21 PM PDT

  •  I assume you mean 2004 ;)

    And good choices, btw

    by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:58:39 PM PDT

  •  premonition?

    that's a four year head start?

    by bubbanomics on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:00:28 PM PDT

    •  Maybe Vote4Me is from Vermont

      They were for him in 2000.

      by Free Spirit on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:19:15 PM PDT

•  Edwards in '04 and '08.

  Both times by absentee ballot in CA.  Both times, denied.  Oh, well. Don't ask me to handicap.  And everyone I donate money to loses... Edwards in 04 primary, Kerry in 04 general, Edwards in 04 primary.  Please, if you want to win, don't ask for my money for a candidate... it's tainted somehow.

  by bubbanomics on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 05:59:54 PM PDT

  •  I used to be the same way with volunteering

    everyone I volunteered for lost. But I broke the curse in 2006.

    by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:00:52 PM PDT

    •  maybe there's hope.

      if I'm audacious?  Maybe there's change in my luck. hmmm....

      by bubbanomics on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:04:18 PM PDT

•  Won't Vote

  I am not a former Deaniac. There is no such thing. Either you are or you aren't. I am a Deaniac, and I'm not voting in no poll for former Deaniacs.

  by Free Spirit on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:02:20 PM PDT

  •  Okay, I will change the title

    by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:02:56 PM PDT

  •  Changed to 2004 Deaniacs...is that better

    by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:03:46 PM PDT

    •  Thank you

      Although I still can't vote, because I'm still for Feingold.

      Say what you will about us Deaniacs, we're committed little SOBs. :-)

      by Free Spirit on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:22:50 PM PDT

•  I was really happy with the original lineup

  I would have been happy with Obama, Edwards, Dodd, Biden, Kucinich, or Gravel. Now it is sadly down to Obama.

  by shii on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:03:02 PM PDT

  •  But on the bright side

    At least Obama is still in the race. Most people thought she'd have it locked up by now.

    by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:04:18 PM PDT

•  Edwards first, changed in December

  when, in my opinion, Edwards did not seem to have a chance to win the nomimation

  supported Dean in 2004

  by We Shall Overcome on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:03:52 PM PDT

  •  Changed to?

    by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:05:00 PM PDT

    •  Oh, right, Obama

      by We Shall Overcome on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:08:00 PM PDT

•  I am for HRC and I was also for Dean in 2004

  I like their ideas and both of them seem like fighters

  by bluestatedude on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:06:32 PM PDT

•  Held out hope for Gore

  Until he told Draft Gore to stop. At that point went to Edwards. Once Edwards dropped out I had a hard time making a decision but ended up voting Obama. Figured he could use the help to keep the margin small in CA.

  by Feeling Blue on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:06:39 PM PDT

  •  Yeah, my grandparents took a similar approach

    First for Gore, then Edwards, now Obama. They don't vote until April 22 though.

    by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:08:25 PM PDT

•  on the fence on Jan 1

  Obama?/Edwards?. I really could not decide from one day to the next. feeling pretty good about it all now.

  by Heather in Or on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:07:56 PM PDT

  •  I was torn between them too

    going into Iowa. But I am happy with how it has played out, though I wish Edwards had done better. Still, given how much of an advantage Clinton had going into this process, it's amazing that there's anyone left standing. Obama has run an incredible, grassroots campaign against her top-down, fatcat-funded machine and he's defied the odds already, win or lose. I was torn but I am now proud to be supporting Obama.

    by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:10:02 PM PDT

•  Started out...

  ...assuming I'd be for Obama before I actually made up my mind, and when I did, I decided to support Edwards, albeit by a razor-thin margin over Obama. I'm now supporting Obama, and it feels pretty good.

  by Devin on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:08:10 PM PDT

  •  I was the same way

    except that I ended up going by a razor-thin margin for Obama. But like you, I started out assuming I'd be for Obama, then took a while to actually get on board. We had such a great field that it was hard to decide.

    by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:10:59 PM PDT

    •  Yeah, pretty much...

      ...And despite all the sniping that has occured around here, the bottom line is that Democrats are having a hard time coming to a final decision because they like all their candidates, and Republicans are having a hard time coming to a final decision because they can't stand theirs. Not a bad development, all things considered.

      by Devin on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:22:09 PM PDT

•  I initially liked Dodd and Biden, but I

  voted for Obama yesterday.

  by blue jersey mom on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:14:10 PM PDT

•  I still support Edwards

  None of the other candidates has yet earned my support.

  There is no free lunch. If a candidate wants my vote, they will have to earn it. If they do not earn it by election day in November,then I will not vote.

  by hecate on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:14:51 PM PDT

•  I'm Against McCauliff, Dick Morris, Al Frum and

  Rahm Emanuel.  These are the people who have every intention of destroying the Democratic wing of the Democratic party.  As long as HRC keeps them in power, she's a pariah for me.

  by tikkun on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:15:24 PM PDT

•  After Dean, I knew who I wouldn't

  be supporting this time.  After what the Clinton Machine did to Howard in 2004, there was no WAY I would support Hillary.

  Up front, I apologize to any Clinton supporters.  This is my personal opinion and I certainly don't begrudge anyone else theirs.

  I have never been a big Hillary fan, as far back as the mid-90s.  But after 2004, I was solidly behind anyone BUT Hillary.  I flirted with Edwards because I love his  populist message.  But I ultimately wound up with Obama because I truly believe he can beat McCain (or anyone else they throw up there).  At the risk of sounding fanatical (truth be told, I WAS a fanatic for Howard... I'm not sure I'll ever feel that inspired by anyone again), Obama feels larger than life. I think he transcends politics and makes people believe in something bigger than themselves.

  But Dean will ALWAYS be the president of my dreams.  He was the only one to ask the infamous sixteen questions that literally changed the way I think and participate as a Democrat and an American. He is truly an American hero.  Without his courage and willingness to speak out (at a time when it was considered almost treasonous), we'd still have a Republican-controlled Congress and we'd be facing another Republican presidency.  I truly believe that.

  by chelle in mo on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:16:48 PM PDT

  •  I totally agree.

    No one will ever match Howard IMO as for the perfect man for the perfect time.  And what Clinton, and honestly Edwards too, did to Dean makes me mad all over again.  

    Another reason I voted for Obama in my MN caucus was that I do believe if Hillary gets the nod and then is elected (a big maybe in my mind), Howard Dean will be kicked to the curb, again.  Dean is a much better person than I was after his 'loss' in Iowa, and when I get really fed up, I know that Dean is still out there trying to change things.  Can I do any less?  So I keep trying.

    by GrandmaJ on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:32:49 PM PDT

    •  sing it, Sister!

      I agree with everything you said 150%.  Howard deserves much, much better than he'll get if Hillary gets the nod.

      by chelle in mo on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:34:38 PM PDT

    •  What did Edwards do to Dean?

      I remember him being the only one who wasn't throwing mud at him. Was he involved behind the scenes at trying to push him aside?

      by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:21:43 PM PDT

      •  along with Gephardt and Kucinich

        But I still believe the blame lies with the Clintons.  I'll never forget the Harkin BBQ in Iowa - I watched it on C-Span. All of the candidates got to give a brief speech and at the time, Howard was clearly the front-runner.

        When Bill Clinton came up to give his speech, he told the crowd (there were tons of Dean supporters in the audience holding signs, etc.. ) that "it's okay to fall in love (with a candidate), but eventually (we) all have to fall "in line").  That's when I knew one way or another, they'd take Dean down.  

        by chelle in mo on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:28:57 PM PDT

        •  Hmmm, interesting

          Same kind of rhetoric he's been using against Obama. But I thought he at least maintained a facade of neutrality in 2004.

          by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:30:11 PM PDT

          •  A facade, yes

            Not a very good one, but a facade all the same.

            by Free Spirit on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:32:04 PM PDT

          •  More...

            Story was the Clintons recruited Clark to stop Dean. And Clark admitted it later on Charlie Rose. Have heard people say that wasn't true. Don't know myself.

            What was true was that Terry McAuliffe said Dean should drop out of the race after Iowa and Dean responded that the DNC chair should support all Dem candidates equally and had no business telling a candidate to drop out.

            Some of it, you kinda had to be there. I don't think any of us who watched that race every waking minute have any doubts that the Clintons were not happy with Dean's success and, whatever they did or didn't do about it, the word was out and their various minions were always chipping away behind the scenes, like little termites. No one was supposed to beat GWB in 2004...because Hillary was supposed to be the 2008 nominee.

            I never figured out if Kerry was their lackey or a clueless pawn, but I refuse to believe his lackluster campaign and eager concession had nothing to do with the Clintons, whether he knew it or not.  Perhaps he's figured out a few things since then, which is why he's with Obama.

            by Free Spirit on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:30:41 PM PDT

            •  If Kerry was a lackey for the Clintons

              he wouldn't have endorsed Obama.

              by democrattotheend on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 05:19:52 AM PDT

              •  Heh

                Haven't been in politics very long, have you?  Alliances change with the tides. And often times you don't even know who you are in bed with. Or what it is you are really doing there.  Did you see All The King's Men with Sean Penn?

                Perhaps he endorsed Obama precisely because he was their lackey and regretted it later.

                by Free Spirit on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 06:23:44 AM PDT

            •  Gee... I completey forgot about Clark..

              I remember the day he announced.  My heart just sunk - it was another nail in the coffin - the Clintons were "working it" from all angles.

              by chelle in mo on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 06:17:48 AM PDT

      •  Eh...

        The memories start to dim. I think Edwards didn't do much because he was mostly focused on trying to keep up. But...

        He teamed up with Kerry in the Rock the Vote debate to rip into Dean about the guys with Confederate flags on their bumpers. They'd both heard Dean say the same thing dozens of times, and somehow never felt moved to speak up until then. Edward's big line was, "We don't need someone like you coming down here telling us what to do." I forget who demanded an apology, which Dean, god love him, refused to extend. ("...and for that, I do not apologize." A watershed moment in my life.)

        He also struck a deal with Kucinich in Iowa, that if either of their supporters didn't reach viability, they would each direct them to the other's camp.  I don't think that this was necessarily directed at Dean, but since he was considered the frontrunner going into Iowa, some people took it that way.

        If he did anything else, I don't remember any more. I had enough other problems with Edwards that nothing else stuck in my mind. The main issue for me was that so many people were pressuring Dean to get out while he still led Edwards in delegates, but no one was pressuring Edwards because he'd won one state....his home state. Of course, Dean went on to win his own home state by a wider margin after he was no longer even in the race, but everyone dismissed that win because...it was just his home state.

        Of course, this election we all know that it's the delegate count that's important, but that election a lot of people conveniently focused on winning states, because that was the only way to argue that Dean was in third place. I never saw any evidence that Edwards was behind any of this. He was probably just relieved that everyone was gunning for Dean instead of him. All the same, I think this left a lot of Deaniacs with a generally dark attitude towards Edwards.

        All in all, it was pretty much politics as usual...which is not a defense, I don't condone politics as usual. Still, nothing over the top, just the usual garbage...

        by Free Spirit on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 09:54:24 PM PDT

      •  If I remember right

        and admittedly I might not and hope someone can correct me, is that during the Iowa caucus, Edwards threw his support to Kerry at the last moment.  Everyone thought, or rumors alleged, that Dean and Edwards had talked and there was some sort of deal, but obviously there was a deal to throw all their (this included Kucinich I believe) delegates to Kerry to stop Dean in Iowa.  If Dean had won in Iowa, Kerry would really be on the ropes.

        Kerry had to borrow himself money to even show up in Iowa, but the bigwigs talked everyone into stopping Dean.

        And that is what I remember.  I was furious with Edwards who I really liked.  But with the vote on the Iraq war, Dean had my heart.  And the hardball politics took down a very good man.  IMO of course.

        Not to mention Edwards making some very direct attacks on Dean in some of the debates.  Vicious attacks if I remember.  Again, correct me if I mis-remember.

        by GrandmaJ on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:23:49 AM PDT

        •  nope - you're absolutely right

          as Free Spirit mentioned upthread - Edwards went all nuclear about Dean's "guns, gays and the Confederate flag" comment (which was TOTALLY correct by the way, and most pundits admitted that later).  I remember that debate in particular as being a tag-team effort:  Kucinich, Kerry and Edwards all going ugly on Dean.

          by chelle in mo on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 06:20:27 AM PDT

•  al gore

  but then i settled on obama right around south carolina.

  by wu ming on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:25:14 PM PDT

•  Dean 2004, then

  2008:

  Kucinich (out of Iraq, single payer health care)

  and then more realistically Edwards--->>>Obama.

  I like Obama a  lot. I just wish he would come right out and say that single payer health care is the only way to go. His reluctance to do so worries me.

  by willyr on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:27:29 PM PDT

•  GrandmaJ present and accounted for.

  I actually initially liked Richardson, but it didn't take long before I liked Edwards better.  Even if he voted for the war.  

  And just for the record, I voted in our MN caucus for Obama (along with many others obviously) but am still uncomfortable with either Obama or Hillary.

  I did mention at the caucus that I would like to write in Howard Dean, which drew a few laughs but not too many Deanics in our red tinted caucus.

  by GrandmaJ on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:28:30 PM PDT

•  Is anyone else having as much fun

  as I am, seeing all the old names from Blog for America?  This feels like a reunion.  Especially when I saw Grandma J pop up at the end.  

  I know many of you have changed your screen names since BFA.  Anyone else willing to divulge their old BFA screen name?  

  =)

  by chelle in mo on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:32:40 PM PDT

  •  yup, all of us oldies are still around. n/t

    by GrandmaJ on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:34:01 PM PDT

  •  I think mine was the same

    but honestly can't remember

    by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:10:55 PM PDT

  •  I changed the title of the thread

    based on your comment. Didn't really think about the fact that it would become a Blog for America reunion. Recommend this so it can keep going!

    by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:12:27 PM PDT

  •  Like I said...

    If nothing else, we're a bunch of committed little SOBs. :-)

    by Free Spirit on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:32:05 PM PDT

•  I supported Feingold first.

  Moved to Edwards when Feingold announced that he wasn't running. I'm with Obama now.

  by Michiganliberal on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:49:35 PM PDT

•  "I was for Obama before I was for Obama"

  the poll is fascinating because way back when the numbers were something like 50% Edwards, a much lower number for Obama, Hillary and Kucinich about 8%, so I guess the Edwards supporters are either not around tonight or just lying low. Or else for Obama now to the point where they kind of forget they were for Edwards.

  As for me, I voted Kucinich in this poll but, like others, I prefer Dean in 2008. I'll always wonder if Dean could have beaten Bush. Maybe not. There are a whole lot of people who would have been uncomfortable with the Governor.

  by Shahryar on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 06:56:35 PM PDT

  •  He was the victim of a hatchet job

    I think Dean, for all his political weaknesses, would have made a great president.    I have not forgiven nor forgotten those in the Democratic Party who screwed him over. The events of that primary campaign heavily influenced my thinking this time around.  

    by Big River Bandido on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:10:24 PM PDT

  •  I don't know if he could have beaten Bush.

    All I know for sure was that the 'electable' Kerry couldn't beat him, so the Dems may as well have nominated Dean. A loss is a loss is a loss, after all.

    What I do think is that, if Dean hadn't quit so early, then John Kerry would have beaten Bush.

    by Free Spirit on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:34:49 PM PDT

•  Canvassed for Dean in NYC, NH and IA

  I grew up in Iowa, so going there for Dean in 2004 was a trip down memory lane...with a very bitter aftertaste.  

  I was amazed and elated this year to see how flawlessly Obama executed Dean's 2004 strategy in Iowa.  I had been sitting on the fence all of 2007, waiting for Al Gore to wink.  Always admired Obama and his political gifts, but couldn't stomach the prospect of another netroots candidate getting kicked to the curb in the same dirty way.  I needed to see some indication that Obama could build an organization capable of seizing executive power.  The result in Iowa convinced me that he has done exactly that.

  by Big River Bandido on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:07:08 PM PDT

  •  I think Howard paved the way

    for this amazingly well-orchestrated campaign of Obama's.  Obama is doing all the things that were started with Dean's run (all the way from the message of empowerment to raising money from small donors over the internet to rocking the youth vote), only he seems to have learned from any mistakes that were made by Dean's  campaign.

    Does it feel like those of us on this thread and the other 2004-04 Deaniacs (along with the man himself, Howard Dean) kinda started the movement that Obama is riding the wave of right now?  =)

    by chelle in mo on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:22:57 PM PDT

    •  Absolutely

      I was just thinking about that on my way home. I am going to work that, along with the results of this poll, into a new post that will serve as a rallying cry for Deaniacs and other netroots activists to get behind Obama and help him finish what Dean started (the triumph of the grassroots/netroots over the establishment)

      by democrattotheend on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:28:21 PM PDT

      •  Awesome.

        I'd love to see the good Doctor get some Democratic love right now.  He's dealing with a nightmare scenario as DNC Chairman (can you imagine the thought of a nominee being decided by Super Delegates?).

        Don't forget to mention that Obama was one of the original "Dean's Dozens."  Look at how well THAT investment paid off!  

        =)

        by chelle in mo on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 07:31:35 PM PDT

        •  I don't think the nomination

          will be decided by superdelegates.  I think Tuesday was the beginning of the end for Clinton.  She simply can't keep up with Obama's fundraising pace, and that disparity will grow worse throughout February, as Obama racks up victories in states that favor his electoral coalition.  

          Even the best spin in the world (and the Clinton campaign is far from that) wouldn't pay Mark Penn's consulting fees.

          by Big River Bandido on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:17:28 AM PDT

    •  Yes I agree

      Obama '08 is essentially Dean 2.0.  

      by Big River Bandido on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 08:18:13 PM PDT

    •  Edwards too

      They both took some of what they learned from Dean's campaign and applied it to their own.  Worked out better for Obama.

      by Free Spirit on Wed Feb 06, 2008 at 10:36:26 PM PDT