Hillary

I know my title is crude, rude, and mean, but I couldn't help myself. Calling Hillary a movement candidate is just fucking ridiculous.

Hillary and the people she surrounds herself with are the establishment, and Obama and the people he surrounds himself are the establishments next generation. The movement is the establishment, and we are financing it one small donation at a time.

Update. All you folks who trashed, and spit in my tip jar I will soon forget this, I will not hold a grudge, and I will still read your comments with an open mind. That is all, carry on.

I have overcome my hesitations, and my sometimes down right loathing of Hillary, and Obama ain't so bad i voted for him on Tuesday, but I haven't bought into the movement, and I don't see myself doing it any time soon, but that may change if I keep watching Obama's speeches, the man can speechify.

Back to my original point, if I even had a point, Hillary isn't a movement candidate, she can't be, because she is married to the man that built the modern day Democratic party establishment.

In closing, all I have to say is the only good movement is a bowel movement, so eat a diet rich in fiber.

•  Tips for TP

  I like two ply.

  by jbou on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:44:45 PM PDT

  •  Damn you, I was just going to make the same joke.

    by Yoshimi on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:46:42 PM PDT

    •  I got hidden in that dairy for making that joke

      beware there are a lot there willing to hide comments and abuse the hide system right now. Alerge has a yahoo group that gives out orders.

      by AHiddenSaint on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:48:42 PM PDT

      •  You have some proof of this?

        by andgarden on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:50:10 PM PDT

        •  It was posted in one of alerge's dairy once

          that is how I became aware of it and what was going on. That is when Alerge was being questioned as a Clinton paid blogger.

          by AHiddenSaint on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:54:49 PM PDT

          •  Are you accusing her of being paid?

            by andgarden on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:55:11 PM PDT

            •  it's come up before

              Personally I do not believe she is paid just missguided. I actually have no problem with the group either I just wish people would be a little bit more honest on it.

              by AHiddenSaint on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:00:10 PM PDT

              •  You going to produce this proof?

                Of course you aren't.

                by andgarden on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:00:47 PM PDT

                •  It's hiding with the WMD and ponies in Iraq, I'm

                  sure.

                  by electricgrendel on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:03:30 PM PDT

                •  here is proof

                  as stated below by DemocraticOz

                  the dairy

                  http://www.dailykos.com/...

                  and the group

                  http://groups.yahoo.com/...

                  U P D A T E
                  alerge

                  After you send Hillary a few bucks, please come and join our new Yahoo Discussion group - Hillary's Voice

                  by AHiddenSaint on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:35:05 PM PDT

                  •  How is this group secret

                    if she publishes it in every diary she writes?  Good grief.

                    by DCDemocrat on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 02:50:44 AM PDT

        •  Here's the diary

          Link to diary containing Yahoo group:  HERE

          Link to Yahoo! group itself:  HERE

          by DemocraticOz on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:27:36 PM PDT

          •  ty

            by AHiddenSaint on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:35:33 PM PDT

          •  Hiding in plain view. That's a new one.

            Last I knew there were allowed to be other places  on the net to discuss campaigns and issues than on DKos.  Places seperate from DKos are usually created so that people can get away from people like you who constantly spam these diaries and make it impossible to have a conversation.  You are one of many children here.  I imagine that is what the yahoo group does and is for. Good for them.  

            by hopscotch1997 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:17:06 PM PDT

      •  Wow, you just got troll rated again.

        Someone doesn't like you.

        by Yoshimi on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:51:02 PM PDT

        •  told you they follow and do this

          by AHiddenSaint on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:55:07 PM PDT

          •  Wrong

            I gave you a hide because you're being an asshole and making unsubstantiated claims.  

            by BarbinMD on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:21:26 PM PDT

            •  That is how we used to do it, no?

              by andgarden on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:24:12 PM PDT

              •  It would be nice

                ...if people on this site would take a moment and ask themselves if they would approve of some of the remarks they rec if it was said live and in person.  

                by BarbinMD on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:28:13 PM PDT

      •  Knock this kind of crap off

        Unless you have evidence of this claim, stop it.  

        And I can't believe people actually rec'ed this bullshit comment.  Cripes.

        by BarbinMD on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:18:52 PM PDT

        •  Thanks for the sanity check Barb

          by andgarden on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:21:00 PM PDT

        •  See my comment slightly upthread.

          The Yahoo! group is real.  She just posted it in her most recent diary.

          by DemocraticOz on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:28:51 PM PDT

          •  Nothing in that diary

            suggests the meaning AHS gives it, and you know it.

            by andgarden on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:33:28 PM PDT

            •  So now you're parsing. Great.

              You asked for proof that the Yahoo group existed, and I gave it to you.

              Now you want me to tell you what it means?  Not my job.  I'm not going over there and subscribing, sorry.

              by DemocraticOz on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:48:50 PM PDT

              •  No parsing

                AHS says

                Alerge has a yahoo group that gives out orders.

                There's no evidence of that--still.

                by andgarden on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:50:32 PM PDT

          •  the claim is that people organize

            troll ratings, that is B.S

            by rigso on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:55:17 PM PDT

        •  Here's a web site that

          organizes dkos members for Barack Obama.

          by DCDemocrat on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 06:18:32 AM PDT

      •  They're on to us!

        LOL

        by owl06 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:48:00 PM PDT

        •  ::swallows decoder ring::

          by owl06 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:07:47 PM PDT

  •  Free speech is a wonderful thing...

    sometimes... not this time unfortunately. But it's the price we pay.

    The core point of this, I agree with. Clinton is NOT a "movement" candidate.

    But there's better ways to make the point my friend. I get the frustration, but this is rather counter-productive.

    Not a diary pimping, but please, take a quick look at the one I wrote last night.

    PS - "ridicules" should be "ridiculous", spell check is your friend. :)

    -Christina Baldwin

    by Erevann on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:51:23 PM PDT

  •  I think your diary sucks

    but I don't think it deserves HRs.

    Uprated to offset unwarranted ratings.

    by TheBlaz on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:52:08 PM PDT

    •  The title itself is an ad hominem attack

      on a Democratic candidate.  Of course it deserves an HR.  Read the FAQ.

      by Bob Love on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:03:53 PM PDT

      •  Read it plenty, thanks.

        It's a play on another diary title for comedic effect.

        HR if you want, I stand by my uprating.

        by TheBlaz on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:05:17 PM PDT

      •  Read this

        It is a joke.

        by jbou on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:08:01 PM PDT

        •  An ad hominem

          is an ad hominem.  No joke.

          by Bob Love on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:13:46 PM PDT

          •  no

            sometimes it is just a joke.

            by jbou on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:15:39 PM PDT

            •  And sometimes,

              A joke speaks volumes:

              crude, rude, and mean, but I couldn't help myself

              Where do those crude, rude and mean jokes come from? Because I've been the butt of them on occasion, but, hey, it's all good because the person who made the joke just couldn't help themselves?

              Look deep into your soul, if you have one, and report back to me why you think this sort of behavior is OK.

              by BoiseBlue on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:24:47 PM PDT

              •  You can tell the character of a person

                by their humor or at least....oh never mind...not worth the time.  Live it up!

                by astoundedstill on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:26:54 PM PDT

              •  "I couldn't help myself" -

                Does that point to a character defect or a personality disorder?  Gotta wonder.

                by Bob Love on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:27:10 PM PDT

              •  come on

                I don't even dislike Hillary anymore, this was a knee jerk reaction to press release talking point diary from Alegre.

                by jbou on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:28:34 PM PDT

                •  Right

                  A knee jerk reaction.

                  Instead of a thoughtful, well-educated, balanced reaction.

                  Again, it speaks volumes.

                  by BoiseBlue on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:34:54 PM PDT

                  •  it does

                    I sometimes react in a knee jerk way, but I have gotten much better at this as of late, but just like anyone going through rehab sometimes you slip up.

                    Hi, I'm jbou and I act like a jerk sometimes.

                    by jbou on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:40:25 PM PDT

                    •  Delete your diary.

                      It's a train wreck, offensive, and childish.

                      by hopscotch1997 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:38:55 PM PDT

                      •  it is amusing

                        It is my one diary a day, and I chose to use it to try and make a point, I will not delete it, I will call it a mistake, but just like all my other mistakes I have made I will own them not delete them.

                        by jbou on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:45:52 PM PDT

              •  jbou,

                UID #142, has a soul. He also has a sense of humor. As in this diary, where he pokes fun at, among other things, himself. Not many people here seem capable of that . . . at least not these days.

                by blueness on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:18:19 PM PDT

                •  I like making fun of me...

                  it's fun. Me myself and I walk into a bar...

                  by jbou on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:30:29 PM PDT

      •  What do you have against bowel movements?

        Are you going to tell me that your shit don't stink? ;)

        by Yoshimi on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:08:29 PM PDT

        •  All shit stinks, including this. nt

          by Bob Love on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:14:21 PM PDT

  •  Is she the bowel movement candidate?

    It Depends.

    by Yoshimi on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:52:39 PM PDT

  •  Silly title

    But not TR worthy.

    by turneresq on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:00:47 PM PDT

  •  Ad hominem attacks

    on Democrats get an automatic donut.  In most cases it's nothing personal.  In this case it is.

    by Bob Love on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:02:02 PM PDT

  •  The only way to put it

    This diary is a piece of shit.  Unbelievable.  

    by BarbinMD on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:19:48 PM PDT

    •  that bad?

      It didn't make you chuckle just a little bit?

      by jbou on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:31:36 PM PDT

      •  No

        Why would it?  It's not funny, it adds nothing but a place for people to add to their primary fights.  

        by BarbinMD on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:34:47 PM PDT

        •  true

          people are carrying over their fights from other diaries, but the diary that inspired this one was a bad joke too.

          by jbou on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:38:13 PM PDT

          •  You know

            I don't buy it when my kids use the, "she started it," line so I certainly won't buy it from an adult.  

            by BarbinMD on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:41:37 PM PDT

            •  fine

              am I grounded? Or should I write a thousand times I will not compare Hillary to a bowel movement?

              by jbou on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:45:23 PM PDT

              •  'I will not compare Hillary to a bowel movement'

                Thank you for removing any doubt about the intent of your diary. A few folks evidently find it amusing. Others don't.

                The vulgarity of the comparison and the venality behind  your pith speaks with an eloquence I can't hope to match.

                This is a diary for the ages. Please do not delete.

                I expect others will very much want to see what passes for humor among some Obama supporters.

                by kidneystones on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:24:46 PM PDT

                •  you caught me

                  Now what are you going to do with me?

                  Funny thing is, I have no problem voting for Hillary in the general election, and I have only written one diary picking one her, well, this would be my second, but this was more of a dig against Alegre than Hillary, as I was saying, I have no problem with Hillary, I am not a partisan, I voted for Obama, but I haven't given him a dime nor I have I worked for him. The whole movement has passed me by.

                  by jbou on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:12:42 PM PDT

                  •  I frankly have no idea

                    how to respond to someone who could title a diary in the fashion you have.

                    I think you're trying to explain or defend your action here.

                    No need.

                    by kidneystones on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:16:12 PM PDT

                    •  what fashion is that?

                      Did I offend your high minded sensibilities? I will not defend my actions, I will own them, and I just might do it again just to fuck with you specifically.  

                      by jbou on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:22:37 PM PDT

                      •  Take a number, you seem kind of testy.

                        Having a bad day?

                        by kidneystones on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:31:42 PM PDT

          •  You admitted that you didn't even read

            the diary.  How can you call it a bad joke.  

            by hopscotch1997 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:37:10 PM PDT

            •  the title alone

              The title was bad enough, and her past diaries, or as I like to call them, press releases, tell me all i need to know.

              by jbou on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:53:20 PM PDT

      •  only middle school age boys

        think potty humor is funny... and you apparently.

        by Lilipons on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:22:46 AM PDT

•  Stay classy, Team Obama !!!

  by Barry in MIA on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:45:18 PM PDT

  •  You are one to talk Barry. :)

    by Yoshimi on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:47:14 PM PDT

    •  No shit.

      The judgment from both of these camps would be ironic and entertaining if it wasn't so freakin' pathetic.

      by TheBlaz on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:49:13 PM PDT

    •  holy mother of god.

      barry posts some of the most vile crap against obama and his supporters (fellow kossaks) for months.
      and has the audacity to write this bullshit?
      god dammit.
      i picked the wrong night to run out of Motrin.

      by Christin on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:18:51 PM PDT

  •  Freud labeled the second year

    of life, "the anal stage."  A characteristic of this stage is fixation of bowels and excrement.  

    by DCDemocrat on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 06:14:16 AM PDT

•  wow

  did i accidentally wander into pff?

  by Turkana on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:45:45 PM PDT

  •  as stupid as this diary is

    you have to admit the title of the diary that this one is mocking is more than silly.

    by MadAsHellMaddie on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:47:01 PM PDT

    •  no, i don't have to admit that

      it's a disgusting title, and your head would explode if someone equated Obama with shit.

      by YatPundit on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:04:38 PM PDT

    •  not only silly,

      but an insult to every genuine movement of the past 60 years.

      by blueness on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:25:25 PM PDT

    •  Obama, the candidate of the

      online scatological crowd.  I think they have special web site for that stuff.

      by Lilipons on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 03:27:25 AM PDT

  •  No, you just nodded off.

    Here's a pinche to wake you.

    by boran2 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:49:41 PM PDT

  •  and a nice retaliatory hide

    from man in black...

    by Turkana on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:52:58 PM PDT

    •  You're annoying the right people.

      I'm thrilled the diarist is getting up-rated.

      by kidneystones on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:57:12 PM PDT

•  Dude

  Just delete this.

  by maxomai on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:46:46 PM PDT

  •  I concur

    Why would you even go there?

    by banjolele on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:47:29 PM PDT

  •  you can't take a joke?

    by jbou on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:48:37 PM PDT

    •  Sure I can

      This isn't funny.

      by maxomai on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:51:22 PM PDT

    •  You post a diary designed to offend...

      ...and then get defensive about it when people are offended.

      You posted this. Be grown up enough to take your lumps for it, or delete it.

      by Devin on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:51:38 PM PDT

    •  It's a waste

      Simple crude jokes are not enough for a diary. It accomplishes nothing anyway.

      by Judgment at Nuremberg on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:51:41 PM PDT

    •  It's not funny

      you can't take a joke?

      by LivesInAShoe on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:58:38 PM PDT

  •  and stop reading Alegre Diaries

    personally -- my best advice that i rarely heed myself ...

    by josephk on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:49:21 PM PDT

    •  I'm not afraid of them

      I do not see why we should be.

      by AHiddenSaint on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:51:40 PM PDT

      •  Not a matter of fear

        More a matter of pinning our bullshit meters.

        by maxomai on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:53:35 PM PDT

        •  I think people need to be aware of what is going

          on with it. The more people know hopefully the hidden abuse will then stop. That is the saddest part how much that actually happens with that group.

          by AHiddenSaint on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:57:13 PM PDT

          •  I nominate You

            You go wading in there ... and post a daily summary diary ... Alegre Diaries for Obama supporters -- i will definitely subscribe!

            by josephk on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:58:53 PM PDT

            •  Like when people do reports from Redstate?

              Personally, I prefer to just ignore those diaries until they go away.

              by beltane on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:02:51 PM PDT

        •  and blowing

          my blood pressure!

          by josephk on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:57:26 PM PDT

    •  funny thing is

      I didn't read the diary, just the title alone was enough to set me off.

      by jbou on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:01:24 PM PDT

  •  yeah, this is uncalled for

    I'm an Obama supporter, but this is not going to help us

    by nicolemm on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:01:21 PM PDT

    •  No kidding

      We're not the wine and cheese crowd that the Marshbots make us out to be, but we can at leas have some damn class.

      by maxomai on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:34:04 PM PDT

•  Give this diary...

  ...a colonoscopy.

  by boran2 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:48:11 PM PDT

  •  You mean colonectomy n/t

    by beltane on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:03:55 PM PDT

    •  nup, an enema...nt

      by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 04:50:57 AM PDT

•  What is it

  With all the one or two paragraph diaries today? Sheesh, if you're gonna attack, put some meat on those bones!

  by BoiseBlue on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:48:18 PM PDT

  •  Maybe it's the light at the end of the ...

    ...tunnel? Maybe the piranhas are running out of teeth? Maybe substance will soon replace vapidity?

    Sorry. Got a little optimistic there for a second.

    by Meteor Blades on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:59:39 PM PDT

    •  Tunnel, check

      teeth, check.......

      Substance? Not so much.

      by Dems2004 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:02:40 PM PDT

    •  Can you tell me why

      a diary like this is acceptable here?  Shouldn't it be deleted?  In the past people have posted diaries calling Hillary "bitch" and "witch" and worse in the titles.  Now this.  Why is this permitted?

      by Boston Boomer on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:16:26 PM PDT

      •  If we started deleting all the shitty ...

        ...candidate Diaries we wouldn't have time to do anything else but field complaints from shitty candidate Diarists and their supporters.

        by Meteor Blades on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:21:36 PM PDT

        •  I think that is just an excuse not to

          face the issues that need faced here, anymore. If you have stopped caring what this blog looks like to the outside, that is truly sad.  Even sadder is that it isn't usable to people who have been here a long time.  Why should people come back here if even this title remains, and you admit that if you addressed this, you would have to attempt other disgusting diaries here and that would be overwhelming.  So just let the place go to hell.  What is there to come here for.  It's garbage.

          by hopscotch1997 on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:33:59 PM PDT

          •  geez

            My diary will be gone in a matter of hours. Do you really think that the diaries that scroll away will be brought back to make Dailykos look bad? Will my late night diary knock something really important off the new diary list?

            by jbou on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:43:04 PM PDT

            •  If you have any self-respect

              You'll delete this and write an apology tomorrow.

              by andgarden on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:28:51 PM PDT

            •  It looks bad, believe me.

              Daily Kos is being ridiculed far and wide in the blogosphere.  When yours disappears there will be a worse one to come.  And you just push the envelope enough so we can no look forward to more bathroom "humor."  You've certainly been here long enough to know that.  You ought to be ashamed.

              by Boston Boomer on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 02:39:57 AM PDT

          •  Every day, I receive emails from people...

            ...saying this commenter or that Diarist is a Troll who is abusing the ratings, or posting garbage. When I look into the situation, at least three-fourths of the time I find that the e-mailer is at least as guilty as the person s/he is complaining about. So, should I warn both, delete both, undo the ratings of both, ban both?

            What I don't see in this supposedly self-moderating community are very many people who passionately support one candidate defending other people who passionately support another candidate against over-the-top attackers and ratings abusers.

            What I mostly see is an our-shit-don't-stink behavioral ethic on the part of an unknown percentage of posters who can be found among the supporters of both the remaining viable candidates (as was the case when there were more candidates in the running).

            I'll be a bit more sympathetic to complaints like yours when I see a pro-active effort by candidate X backers to defend candidate Y backers against attacks by their other candidate X backers. And vice versa.

            by Meteor Blades on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 10:41:32 PM PDT

            •  Something you've got to do, Blades

              is to take the cap off of, ahem, "hide" ratings. 5 aren't enough, especially in a diary like this one.

              by andgarden on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:30:11 PM PDT

              •  no

                Unlimited or increased HRs would, in this present atmosphere, plunge the site into pure chaos. The partisans cannot now control themselves with uprates, nor can they be depended upon to slough off the equally insidious affliction that is now prevalent on this site: studiously ignoring HR-worthy comments that happen to be made by one's own people. These same "TUs" quite definitely could not control themselves with unlimited or increased HRs. Removing ratings abilities would not solve the problem: as has been demonstrated, whenever one head is hacked off that hydra, three more spring forth to take its place . . . .

                by blueness on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 01:29:10 AM PDT

                •  People who can't control themselves

                  should have their ratings ability yanked. The rest of us should not have our hands tied.

                  In the current situation, community moderation is a sham.

                  by andgarden on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 07:14:32 AM PDT

              •  I agree. At contentious times such as primary

                season, five isn't enough. I mean, I'm on the other side of the rock, and now I'm starting to see the garbage (previously blissfully filtered to HC land).

                I can only suggest (short of moderated 'smite' buttons for front pagers) that 'candidate diaries' get pre-filtered into their own box. This would leave the rec list free to host all the scandals coming out of gooperville.

                Just my 2c...

                OK, carry on...

                ps. by 'moderated' I mean that at least a few FPs should hurl the holy hand grenade after counting to five... no, three.
                
                pps. Stand back!

                by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 05:11:44 AM PDT

            •  I'm no fan of HRC nor her DLC buddies

              but I would lend my voice to those calling for this type of diary to be deleted. The diary and the type of discussion it engenders makes the site look like it has been taken over by twelve-year-olds who need their computer privileges revoked.

              by peraspera on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 11:49:46 PM PDT

              •  Actually, I think it has.

                by Boston Boomer on Fri Feb 08, 2008 at 02:41:52 AM PDT

      •  good question

        by SeaTurtle on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 08:47:55 PM PDT

•  What is childish

  is this diary.

  I don't know I might consider the fact that Democratic candidates combined raised over 13 million dollars a plus for our side. Guess I would be wrong.

  by LaEscapee on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:48:22 PM PDT

•  It's crude

  and silly, but that diary of Alegre's is one of the biggest most ridiculous falsehoods I've ever seen.

  An entirely plugged in, beltway establishment candidate with ties to big money contributors is somehow the MOVEMENT candidate?

  Did I fall asleep for two or three thousand years and miss a hell of a lot of changes? Because that's just asinine.

  by TheBlaz on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:48:34 PM PDT

  •  Alerge gets away with a lot here and so do her

    followers it seems.

    by AHiddenSaint on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:49:43 PM PDT

    •  well he do not know why I said her honestly

      do not know what the gender is there on that poster.

      by AHiddenSaint on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:50:37 PM PDT

      •  Alegre's profile says she's a mom. n/t

        by MTmofo on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:58:03 PM PDT

•  Keep your fetish to yourself

  by andgarden on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:49:16 PM PDT

•  Oh please...

  Is the notion that Hillary Clinton is the new movement candidate ridiculous? Yes.

  However, that doesn't justify posting a crass diary that has no purpose other than to inflame people. Clinton's supporters are entitled to their opinions, and whatever you may think of Alegre's diaries about Hillary Clinton, they are unfailingly positive about the candidate, which is more than I can say about many of the diaries I've seen posted by supporters of all the candidates.

  by Devin on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:49:27 PM PDT

•  BREAKING

  "Obama visits New Orleans, it's not reported in the media or on the blogs".

  by LaEscapee on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:50:03 PM PDT

  •  Is no one posting on your diary anymore?

    by Yoshimi on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:54:50 PM PDT

  •  yup

    I saw that on CNN today. they carried his whole speech live from New Orleans.

    by jbou on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 09:21:32 PM PDT

•  It's about time that this movement

  occurred because with his crankiness lately, it seems like Bill has been a bit constipated.

  by Man in Black on Thu Feb 07, 2008 at 07:50:57 PM PDT