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Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:51:54 AM PDT

McCain's Real Record on the War in Iraq
Why this man's record and hot temper shows why Senator McCain has no business occupying the WH, or with his fingers anywhere near our nuclear trigger.

Is this the face of the man you want to lead this nation into the next war--and you know McCain and the neocons are just itching to attack Iran?
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Follow me under the fold, and let us reason together, for real change...

Cross-posted from Votevets. org:
"Senator John McCain presents himself as a maverick and a critic of the Iraq war. But a close read of his record indicates that his position on the Iraq war has consistently matched President George W. Bush’s".

Before The War:

McCain used many of the same arguments as Donald Rumsfeld, Vice President Cheney and President Bush when advocating going to war with Iraq.

McCain co-sponsored the Use of Force Authorization that gave President George W. Bush the green light – and a blank check - for going to war with Iraq. [SJ Res 46, 10/3/02]

McCain argued Saddam was "a threat of the first order."

Senator McCain said that a policy of containing Iraq to blunt its weapons of mass destruction program is "unsustainable, ineffective, unworkable and dangerous." McCain: "I believe Iraq is a threat of the first order, and only a change of regime will make Iraq a state that does not threaten us and others, and where liberated people assume the rights and responsibilities of freedom." [Speech to the Center for Strategic & International Studies, 2/13/03]

McCain echoed Bush and Cheney’s rationale for going to war. McCain: "It’s going to send the message throughout the Middle East that democracy can take hold in the Middle East." [Fox, Hannity & Colmes, 2/21/03]

McCain echoed Bush and Cheney’s talking points that the U.S. would only be in Iraq for a short time. McCain: "It’s clear that the end is very much in sight. ... It won’t be long...it’ll be a fairly short period of time." [ABC, 4/9/03]

McCain said winning the war would be "easy." "I know that as successful as I believe we will be, and I believe that the success will be fairly easy, we will still lose some American young men or women." [CNN, 9/24/02]

During The War:

Senator McCain praised Donald Rumsfeld as late as May 12, 2004, after the Abu Ghraib scandal.

Asked if Donald Rumsfeld can continue to be an effective secretary of defense, McCain: "Yes, today I do and I believe he's done a fine job. He's an honorable man." [Hannity and Colmes, 5/12/04]

Senator McCain repeatedly supported President Bush on the Iraq War – voting with him in the Senate, defending his actions and publicly praising his leadership.

McCain maintains the war was a good idea.

At the 2004 Republican National Convention, McCain, focusing on the war in Iraq, said that while weapons of mass destruction were not found, Saddam once had them and "he would have acquired them again."

McCain said the mission in Iraq "gave hope to people long oppressed" and it was "necessary, achievable and noble."

McCain: "For his determination to undertake it, and for his unflagging resolve to see it through to a just end, President Bush deserves not only our support, but our admiration." [Plain Dealer, 8/31/04]

Senator McCain: "The war, the invasion was not a mistake. [Meet the Press, 1/6/08]

Asked if the war was a good idea worth the price in blood and treasure, McCain: "It was worth getting rid of Saddam Hussein. He had used weapons of mass destruction, and it's clear that he was hell-bent on acquiring them." [Republican Debate, 1/24/08]

McCain defended Bush’s rationale for war. Asked if he thought the president exaggerated the case for war, McCain said, "I don’t think so." [Fox News, 7/31/03]

McCain has been President Bush’s most ardent Senate supporter on Iraq. According to Michael Shank of the Foreign Policy in Focus think tank, McCain was at times Bush’s "most solid support in the Senate" on Iraq. [Foreign Policy in Focus, 1/15/08]

McCain voted against holding Bush accountable for his actions in the war. McCain opposed the creation of an independent commission to investigate the development and use of intelligence leading up to the war in Iraq. [S. Amdt. 1275 to H.R. 2658, Vote # 284, 7/16/03]

McCain praised Bush’s leadership on the war. McCain: "I think the president has led with great clarity and I think he’s done a great job leading the country..." [MSNBC, Hardball, 4/23/03]

Senator McCain has constantly moved the goal posts of progress for the war – repeatedly saying it would be over soon.

January 2003: "But the point is that, one, we will win this conflict. We will win it easily." [MSNBC, 1/22/03]

March 2003: "I believe that this conflict is still going to be relatively short." [NBC, Meet the Press, 3/30/03]

June 2004: "The terrorists know that this is a very critical time." [CNN, 6/23/04]

December 2005: "Overall, I think a year from now, we will have a fair amount of progress [in Iraq] if we stay the course." [The Hill, 12/8/05]

November 2006: "We’re either going to lose this thing or win this thing within the next several months."[NBC, Meet the Press, 11/12/06]

Senator McCain opposed efforts to end the overextension of the military that is having a devastating impact on our troops.

McCain voted against requiring mandatory minimum downtime between tours of duty for troops serving in Iraq. [S. Amdt.. 2909 to S Amdt. 2011 to HR 1585, Vote 341, 9/19/07; S Amdt. 2012 to S Amdt. 2011 to HR 1585, Vote #241, 7/11/07]

McCain was one of only 13 senators to vote against adding $430 million for inpatient and outpatient care for veterans. [S Amdt. 3642 to HR 4939, Vote 98, 4/26/06]

Senator McCain has consistently opposed any plan to withdraw troops from Iraq.

Senator McCain repeatedly voted against a timetable for withdrawing troops from Iraq. [S. Amdt. 3876 to S.Amdt. 3874 to H.R. 2764, Vote #438, 12/18/07; S.Amdt.. 3875 to S.Amdt.. 3874 to H.R. 2764, Vote # 437, 12/18/07; S.Amdt.3164 to H.R. 3222, Vote # 362, 10/3/07; S.Amdt. 2898 to S.Amdt. 2011 to H.R. 1585, Vote #346, 9/21/07; S.Amdt. 2924 to S.Amdt.. 2011 to H.R.1585, Vote #345, 9/21/07; S.Amdt.2 087 to S.Amdt. 2011 to H.R. 1585, Vote #252, 7/18/07; S.Amdt. 643 to H.R. 1591, Vote #116, 3/27/07; S.Amdt. 4320 to S. 2766, Vote #182, 6/22/06; S.Amdt. 4442 to S. 2766, Vote #181, 6/22/06; S.Amdt.. 2519 to S.1042, Vote # 322, 11/15/05]

Senator McCain has consistently demonized Americans who want to find a responsible way to remove troops from Iraq so that we can take the fight to al Qaeda.

McCain: "I believe to set a date for withdrawal is to set a date for surrender." [Charlotte Observer, 9/16/07]

McCain called proponents of a congressional resolution opposing the troop surge in Iraq intellectually dishonest. [Associated Press. 2/4/07]

The Future:

Senator McCain now says he sees no end to the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq.

McCain: "[M]ake it a hundred" years in Iraq and "that would be fine with me." [Derry, New Hampshire Town Hall meeting, 1/3/08]

McCain on how long troops may remain in Iraq: "A thousand years. A million years. Ten million years. It depends on the arrangement we have with the Iraqi government." [Associated Press, 1/04/08]

http://votevets.org/...

I'm so sick and tired of all of this bickering and infighting going on these days, when the future of our country rests upon us winning this election in November.

I warned in diary after diary and in comment after comment, that all of these pie fight, divisive, hit-piece, Salem Witch trial, Spanish inquisition diaries and their ensuing pie wars would render our nomination not worth five cents on e-bay.

Let's stop fighting among ourselves and concentrate on the REAL task at hand. Does anyone here want a McCain presidency? No? Yes? Well, keep it up, and that's exactly what we're going to get.

And all of you can kiss goodbye any hope of enacting any remnant or resemblance of any Democratic agenda under a repub potus.

Kiss a woman's right to choose goodbye.

Get ready to spend the next one hundred years in Iraq--and beyond.

Get ready to be in debt up to your necks forever and holding dollars not worth the paper they're printed on. And if you think the dollar is weak now, just wait until they attack Iran.

Forget about talking on the telephone, sending another e-mail, or writing another snail mail, without Big Brother watching and listening in, or the privacy of your bank and medical records--or privacy rights at all, or ever restoring your civil liberties and our Constitution, under a repub potus.

Just keep it up. But I don't want to hear or see anyone here crying in their beer in November when we lose. And we will lose, if we don't stop this, NOW.

I will ask you once again, is this the man--who represents the rovian politics of fear, and the OLD GUARD of the STATUS QUO--that we want to lead this nation?
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WHO WILL GIVE US MORE OF THIS:
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AND THIS:
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OR DO WE WANT SOMEONE WHO REPRESENTS THE POLITICS OF CHANGE, OF HOPE, AND OF PEACE:
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So which is it going to be, folks?

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  •  Stop fighting each other... (10+ / 0-)

    ...unless you want another repub disaster in the WH. The choice couldn't be clearer. It's either the status quo, the OLD GUARD, or it's the NEW GUARD and real change. It's up to us folks which way this thing is going to go. It's coming down to cases. And there's no points for coming in last, here. Defeat in November is simply not an option! Unite now, while our nomination is still worth more than a nickel on e-bay!

    "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan

    by ImpeachKingBushII on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 10:55:15 AM PDT

      •  Hopefully we can convince enough of our... (1+ / 0-)

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        clammyc

        ...compatriots to realize what's at stake here. John Edwards put it well in his last debate by saying "this election isn't about us".

        I read, rec'd and tipped, and hotlisted your diary clammy. brownsox and yourself had this quotation in both of your diaries today, and it can't be repeated enough times--and neither can the McCain "bad temper" meme:

        "Just under 2 weeks ago, Senator Thad Cochran (R-MS) said the following about McCain:

        "The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine," Cochran said about McCain by phone. "He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me."

        Those words, and his "make it a hundred", will be his political epitaph!

        "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan

        by ImpeachKingBushII on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:10:35 AM PDT

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      •  Thanks for the mojo and the rec'd clammy! ... (1+ / 0-)

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        ...btw, I didn't read the recent diary list before posting because my diary is unique enough, that I wasn't worried about copying anybody else's ideas, or about ruffling any feathers. It's about the Bush/McCain similarities on the Iraq war, and the stark differences between McCain and Obama.

        I just re-read your comment and got the distinct impression you took it as a personal attack on your ego because my diary mentioned McCain and his temper on the same day you did. I always read yours and rec'd, in fact you're on my subscribe list.

        It took me a few minutes to catch what you said. There's enough mojo to go around for everyone. It's not my personal mission to make the rec'd list ever, although I have twice. I hope you go all the way to the top and stay there until November. But I'm smart enough to know when somebody doesn't like me. But I'm not running a popularity contest here, nor am I here for anyone's entertainment. I always speak my mind and let the chips fall where they may. I'm trying to win a Dem potus for the WH. I thought we were on the same page and team.

        Please correct me if I'm wrong. I love the taste of crow on a Saturday, but I love the smell of victory, not defeat better.

        "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan

        by ImpeachKingBushII on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:47:36 AM PDT

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    •  I'll take the Obamas, thank you! (1+ / 0-)

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      Oh, and by the way - Nice pic Cindy.  She looks like a vision I might have of a female witch.  Doesn't she, really?  Like the Halloween variety.  What does that make him?  Oh god... no McCain please.

  •  john mccain and hillary clinton - no difference (0+ / 0-)

    i am so sick of getting candidates for our side that offer no contrast

    i like and respect john kerry - but it was, for most people, another election that we were screwed either way - he was boring and could not generate enthusiasm

    Gore, in 2000, was not the Gore of today - way too conservative and middle of the road - generate no enthusiasm and was too establishment

    now finally we have a canidate in Obama that is a clear contrast to the republicans - he is something completely fresh and their is nothing to hate about him, but here we are again ready to commit political suicide and pick hillary clinton to unite the fractured opponent

    if we pick hillary the democrats will have proven we really don't want to win the WH  

    "we are the ones we've been waiting for " - Barack Obama

    by eastcoaster on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:00:38 AM PDT

    •  Um... (3+ / 0-)

      john mccain and hillary clinton - no difference

      That's just silly.

    •  Perfect Illustration (2+ / 0-)

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      of the utter stupidity of hero-worshippers as opposed to savvy supporters of a candidate.  After the primaries, there's this thing called the general election.  I don't think Obama needs the "Clinton can't be elected" meme in order to win the democratic nomination and then the White House.  If you do ... perhaps you ought to re-examine who you're supporting.  Obama can win on his strengths.  On his positions.  On his record.  On HIS efforts, not the myriad attacks on HRC.

      The differences between McCain and Clinton are immense.  It's a shame it requires a separate paragraph for emphasis in this post.

      On point, I'm really appreciative of the diaries and posts which highlight the positions, the record and the directions these candidates have.  I'm an Obama supporter, but I frequently comment on hatchet jobs with regard to HRC.

      Let's spare our attacks for the republicans.  McCain may, at one time, have been an honorable man.  I remember resonating to some of what he used to say about taxation and torture.  He's long since adopted a more utilitarian set of beliefs in order to gain credence in the republican party.  This repubican party will break our constitution, our military and our economy.  It sells fear for the price of freedom.

      Experience Failure 2008: McCain

      by crescentdave on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:15:10 AM PDT

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  •  Is John McCain a man of his word? (1+ / 0-)

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    John McCain is against torture.

    George Bush orders torture.

    John McCain in in a unique position to denounce the torturers in the White House.

    I urge him to speak loudly and clearly on this issue.

    Two war crimes make 'the right', not 'a right'. Defeat the liar John McCain.

    by Yellow Canary on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:02:45 AM PDT

    •  Question Already Answered (2+ / 0-)

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      McCain voted in favor of Bush's detainee legislation described in a NYT Editorial as giving the president the power to authorize detainee treatment the way:

      "normal people consider torture," along with the power it vests in the President to detain indefinitely, and with no need to bring charges, all foreign nationals and even legal resident aliens within the U.S. But as Law Professors Marty Lederman and Bruce Ackerman each point out, many of the extraordinary powers vested in the President by this bill also apply to U.S. citizens, on U.S. soil.

      Experience Failure 2008: McCain

      by crescentdave on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 11:51:25 AM PDT

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  •  When McCain starts drafting Republican kids (1+ / 0-)

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    ImpeachKingBushII

    he'll find that the war won't last 100 years ....

  •  10 million years in Iraq? (1+ / 0-)

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    ImpeachKingBushII

    when there might be as much as 20 years worth of oil left in the Middle East? (I think figuring on more than 10 as stark idiocy)

    Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

    by alizard on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 12:34:32 PM PDT

  •  Compliments (1+ / 0-)

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    ImpeachKingBushII

    On the selection of pics.  I know it's not ALL about appearances, but this really delineates some of the differences between the candidates, all separated by an acknowledgment of the end result of McCain's "vision:" more unnecessary deaths. Especially loved the comparison between the stepfordian Cindy and a much more animated Michelle.  

    Experience Failure 2008: McCain

    by crescentdave on Sat Feb 09, 2008 at 01:24:40 PM PDT

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