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a speech (or two) that was given in 2002.

Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 12:17:27 PM PDT

You've all seen this:

I just wanted to share what people were saying back in 2002...

SEN. HILLARY CLINTON

Part 1:

Part 2:

Floor Speech. Here's some key passages (emphasis mine):

...In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001...

...While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq. I know that the Administration wants more, including an explicit authorization to use force, but we may not be able to secure that now, perhaps even later. But if we get a clear requirement for unfettered inspections, I believe the authority to use force to enforce that mandate is inherent in the original 1991 UN resolution, as President Clinton recognized when he launched Operation Desert Fox in 1998...

...President Bush's speech in Cincinnati and the changes in policy that have come forth since the Administration began broaching this issue some weeks ago have made my vote easier. Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible...

...This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make -- any vote that may lead to war should be hard -- but I cast it with conviction.

And perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation. I want this President, or any future President, to be in the strongest possible position to lead our country in the United Nations or in war. Secondly, I want to insure that Saddam Hussein makes no mistake about our national unity and for our support for the President's efforts to wage America's war against terrorists and weapons of mass destruction. And thirdly, I want the men and women in our Armed Forces to know that if they should be called upon to act against Iraq, our country will stand resolutely behind them...

...My vote is not, however, a vote for any new doctrine of pre-emption, or for uni-lateralism, or for the arrogance of American power or purpose -- all of which carry grave dangers for our nation, for the rule of international law and for the peace and security of people throughout the world...

...So it is with conviction that I support this resolution as being in the best interests of our nation. A vote for it is not a vote to rush to war; it is a vote that puts awesome responsibility in the hands of our President and we say to him - use these powers wisely and as a last resort. And it is a vote that says clearly to Saddam Hussein - this is your last chance - disarm or be disarmed...

SEN. BARACK OBAMA (w/some help from his supporters)

Text of Speech. Here's some key passages (emphasis mine):

Good afternoon. Let me begin by saying that although this has been billed as an anti-war rally, I stand before you as someone who is not opposed to war in all circumstances. The Civil War was one of the bloodiest in history, and yet it was only through the crucible of the sword, the sacrifice of multitudes, that we could begin to perfect this union, and drive the scourge of slavery from our soil. I don't oppose all wars...

...After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this administration's pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such tragedy from happening again. I don't oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism.

What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income - to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics. Now let me be clear - I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He's a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him.

But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars...

Let's fight to make sure our so-called allies in the Middle East, the Saudis and the Egyptians, stop oppressing their own people, and suppressing dissent, and tolerating corruption and inequality, and mismanaging their economies so that their youth grow up without education, without prospects, without hope, the ready recruits of terrorist cells. You want a fight, President Bush? Let's fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn't simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil. Those are the battles that we need to fight. Those are the battles that we willingly join. The battles against ignorance and intolerance. Corruption and greed. Poverty and despair.

The consequences of war are dire, the sacrifices immeasurable. We may have occasion in our lifetime to once again rise up in defense of our freedom, and pay the wages of war. But we ought not -- we will not -- travel down that hellish path blindly. Nor should we allow those who would march off and pay the ultimate sacrifice, who would prove the full measure of devotion with their blood, to make such an awful sacrifice in vain.

Clinton's entire speech is a case study political bet-hedging. She says she understands the implications, and even implies that it may be abused. She calls her vote "the hardest she ever had to make" and acknowledges the "awesome power" it will give Bush. She says that she will take him at his word (Keep in mind that Bush is the same man who slammed her husband repeatedly with his "Bring Honor and Dignity Back to the White House" speeches). It would have been completely justifiable for her to vote "no." It just wouldn't have been politically advantageous.

To her credit, she makes it abundantly clear that she is not making a vote for Bush to start WWIII. But if she was that worried, why vote to authorize? Hint: the answer involves the phrase "politically advantageous."

Obama, in contrast, had little to lose and really nothing to gain. Who the hell was he in 2002? This is the candidate you'd expect to give a vague, "Choose-Your-Own-Adventure" Type of response, but he was as open then as he was about Pakistan. As open as he was back in 2004, when he

  1. mentioned he father's origins;
  1. explained his name;
  1. made faith both a secular and religious matter;
  1. acknowledged and addressed the Two Major Parties and Independents; and
  1. gave us all a sneak preview into both his domestic and foreign policies.

Maybe this is the speech Sen. Clinton should be concerned with.

Tags: Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama, 2008 elections, speeches (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  It says here that... (6+ / 0-)

    ...Clinton used her eight years of experience to make a decision that she wasn't (and to date, isn't) fully prepared to justify; and that Obama used his worldly experience to justify why we shouldn't make such decisions so rashly.

    Naturally, Megatron is firm advocate of the Second Amendment.

    by Omen on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 12:16:25 PM PDT

  •  oh, yeah! (0+ / 0-)

    this is a bad omen for Hillary

  •  "I want this President, or any future President, (1+ / 0-)

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    Omen

    to be in the strongest possible position to lead our country in the United Nations or in war."

    HRC endorses Unitary Executive doctrine!!!

    Reason #1 I won't vote for her. Bad enough we have one party toeing the Federalist Society line.

    I know who Obama's veep will be. You can too!

    by slaney black on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 12:29:15 PM PDT

  •  This diary is SO recommended! (3+ / 0-)

    The Obama speech delivered by "average" people video gave me goosebumps!

    "We are the ones we have been waiting for" --Barack Obama reminding us we have to hold him accountable.

    by Jim in Chicago on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 12:31:15 PM PDT

  •  Man, I wish Senator Clinton... (1+ / 0-)

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    snoopydawg

    had been ready on Day 1 to become a U.S. Senator.  The never-ending disastrous Iraq war/occupation was launched on the basis of baldfaced whoppers and has, so far, resulted in nearly 4000 U.S. troop deaths, over 30,000+ U/S. troop casualties, countless thousands of innocent Iraqi deaths and has resulted in several million refugees.  In addition, it shifted the U.S.'s attention from our real enemies in Waziristan and led to the recruitment of thousands of more al Qaeda suicide bombers.  And it is projected to cost U.S. taxpayers upwards of 3 trillion (and counting).

    It was a terrible vote by Senator Clinton, and she's got blood on her hands.  I wonder how she sleeps at night.

    "As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly."

    by Viceroy on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 12:33:33 PM PDT

  •  Most damning line in the whole speech... (2+ / 0-)

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    Omen, UnaSpenser

    if this isn't prime for use in attack ads nothing is.

    "And perhaps my decision is influenced by my eight years of experience on the other end of Pennsylvania Avenue in the White House watching my husband deal with serious challenges to our nation."

  •  Here's one of Hillary's speechs from Dec.2003 (1+ / 0-)

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    Omen

    Remarks by Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton

    December 15, 2003
    Council on Foreign Relations

    I was one who supported giving President Bush the authority, if necessary, to use force against Saddam Hussein. I believe that that was the right vote. I have had many disputes and disagreements with the administration over how that authority has been used, but I stand by the vote to provide the authority because I think it was a necessary step in order to maximize the outcome that did occur in the Security Council with the unanimous vote to send in inspectors. And I also knew that our military forces would be successful. But what we did not appreciate fully and what the administration was unprepared for was what would happen the day after.

    McCain's occupation plan will achieve victory when it bestows liberty to the freedom loving people of Iraq and their freedom loving oil.

    by Lefty Coaster on Mon Mar 10, 2008 at 12:42:50 PM PDT

  •  Judgement (2+ / 0-)

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    blueyedace2, Omen

    These speeches show a clear contrast.

    I'm with the one that shows good judgement and clear thinking.  The one that seems straightforward and high-principled at the same time.

    The other one seems cagey, hedge your bets, cover all bases, and in its essence still authorizes some potentially disastrous decisions and consdquences.

    And one consequence, as Senator Obama, is the sheer monetary cost, all this added to the tragic loss of precious human lives.

    More than one economist has pointed to the vast adventure in Iraq as a principle cause for our monetary woes now.  

    One speech led to disastrous results.  The other speech shows the kind of judgement we need in a Commander-in-Chief.

    (Can you just imagine how satisfying that would have been and will be?!)

  •  Excellent diary! (0+ / 0-)

    I love this diary, since their differing war stances are my top reason for preferring Obama over Clinton.  And this diary distills it down to it's essence.

    Now all I need is something which gives a sense of how difficult it was for war opponents to speak up back in 2002, when the war-mongers dominated the discourse so much.

    Which is where Obama showed judgment, courage and leadership, all in one shot--a trifecta!

  •  A NO vote on that Res. was their ONLY CHANCE (0+ / 0-)

    It was CLEAR that the Bush administration WANTED A WAR.  They didn't want "disarmament;" they WANTED A WAR.  

    That was clear to everyone, yes?

    So what else could a principled Democrat in the Senate or House do but vote NO on the Iraq War Resolution?

    Her speech above is a clear demonstration of trying to have it both ways--i.e., having no principle except political calculation.

    Going into Iraq in the first place was EVERYTHING; OF COURSE everything that followed was bad, and all subsequent possible policy choices, once we were in there, were bad.  That's what millions of Americans, 23 Senators, and 133 House Reps understood, and it's why we opposed going in before we did.  

    Her yes vote is inexcusable, and it has helped do serious damage to America and the world.  

    Please remind people you know that the War Resolution Vote was Congress's only chance to put some brakes on the neocon march to an irrational war, and Clinton failed on that, her life's biggest test of her principles and judgment.

    She hasn't earned a bloody thing.

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