BREAKING: Democrats.com are making us look bad.

I Just got an email from  Democrats.com

Sign the petition: http://savespitzer.com

Dear Governor Spitzer,

Don't let the Republicans and the rightwing media drive you out of office!

You made a lot of powerful enemies in your career because you took on the most powerful crooks on Wall Street. Now your enemies are trying to get even by destroying your career and your life. Don't let them! .....

Now I live in NY and worked to help get Spitzer elected - but he must go. You can't run as a reformer - the top cop and then go break the law - I don't can if the Republicans play dirty - let them - Spitzer screwed up - he must go. (more below the fold about why Spitzer leaving is a good thing.) Democrats.com is making a big mistake by defending the indefensible and it hurts all Democrats - tell them to stop.

Reasons why Spitzer resignation is a good thing.

1. He was already damage goods due to trooper-gate (it a local thing).

2. David Paterson will replace him as Governor - and he is a class act - a Democrat we can be proud of and will actually be able to get stuff done in Albany (NY's capital)

3. Spitzer in office would ruin the Dems chances winning back the NY Senate - with Spitzer gone the State republicans will not have it as an issue.

4. We can tie Spitzer resigning to David Vitter and Larry Craig - and continue to paint the Republicans as corrupt and hypocritical.

5. Democrats maintain the high ground.

By supporting Spitzer and his Hypocrisy Democrats.com is making us look bad and undercutting all their other good work - Please contact  Democrats.com at contact and tell them to take down their petition.

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  by jmorton on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:21:28 PM PDT

  •  Spitzer should resign

    from the Democratic Party, but stay in and fight these guys as Gov.
    They are bastards.  And his wife is behind him too!

    by NYFM on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:57:38 PM PDT

•  You can't fight for justice

  if you are participating in illegal activities.  Otherwise you become a soulless conservative.  Good points.

  by praenomen on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:21:41 PM PDT

  •  Ever smoke pot?

    That's illegal, but you can be a fine person and smoke weed.

    Cocaine?

    Hash?

    LSD?

    Tricks?

    Did you ever speed in your car?

    Of course you can fight for good and do illegal things.  Hell, the entire American Revolution was ILLEGAL!

    by angrytoyrobot on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:42:17 PM PDT

    •  yup and so did my DA friend until he became a DA

      its not hard to not break the law.

      by jmorton on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:49:46 PM PDT

    •  Yeah, but...

      The real question is: did you ever smoke weed and then prosecute people for being in possession of it?  

      Spitzer went after several prostitution rings during his time as AG.  He is a complete hypocrite now.  He needs to go.  

      by Asak on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:49:50 PM PDT

    •  What point was he making

      by schnooping prostitutes? Please don't compare the American Revolution to knowingly committing a felony to get laid.

      by nrafter530 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:50:27 PM PDT

    •  A point

      ... but his/her point is better.  He put people away for participating in prostitution rings, then was caught doing the selfsame thing.

      I liked his fire and his courage, but he's now branded irrevocably a law-breaking hypocrite.  He has to go.

      by bustacap on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:52:12 PM PDT

  •  Let he who is without sin cast the first stone

    Hypocrisy is the tribute that vice pays to virtue

    When I was in college, I recalled, there was a story about the German philosopher Max Scheler. Scheler was known for inspiring ethical meditations with titles like On Man's Place in the Cosmos. He was also, according to this story, known for his energetic philandering. A distraught admirer approached him about this discrepancy: how could he write all those noble, morally uplifting works and yet lead such a discreditable personal life? The response attributed to Scheler is illuminating. The sign that points to Boston, he said, doesn't have to go there.

    In effect, I noted, Scheler was defending hypocrisy. He was saying that the ideals he articulated were more important than his personal failure to achieve them.

    Spitzer has a noble heart within the frailty of a human body.

    Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

    by bronte17 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 10:39:10 PM PDT

•  Well the DNC page is

  democrats.ORG I believe.

  by indiemcemopants on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:22:02 PM PDT

  •  Nevermind

    apparently that site is paid for by democrats.org.

    Wow. Crappy.

    by indiemcemopants on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:23:21 PM PDT

    •  I'm Pretty Sure

      Democrats.com is an independent thing. From their FAQ:

      Are We the Democratic Party?

      Democrats.com is completely independent of the official Democratic Party and its elected officials and candidates.

      We are an online community of grassroots Democratic Party activists that was launched in 2000.

      We do not speak for the Democratic Party in any way - we only speak for ourselves.

      by Scipio on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:14:06 PM PDT

•  He's resigning

  link

  by faithfull on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:24:43 PM PDT

  •  Sad to see him go

    But he's got to go.

    by banjolele on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:27:23 PM PDT

  •  hope your right n/c

    by jmorton on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:29:01 PM PDT

  •  Maybe not

    His wife doesn't want him to quit:

    http://www.nytimes.com/...

    Plus, there are hints of weaknesses in the GOP's case:

    http://www.marketwatch.com/...

    by Phoenix Woman on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:36:12 PM PDT

    •  70% of New Yorkers

      include myself do want him to resign.

      He can't govern a state that wants him out.

      by nrafter530 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:56:41 PM PDT

      •  58% is the correct figure

        and he was set up by the Gonzales crew at DoJ.

        It behooves us if he fights this.

        And his wonderfully wise wife, she of Harvard Law and a Rhodes scholar, says he should not resign.

        Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

        by bronte17 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 10:42:40 PM PDT

•  Agree

  I got to agree with you.  Good guy who did a lot right, but he broke the law.  Accountability means just that irrespective of party.

  by billj1 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:27:09 PM PDT

  •  Bill Clinton lied and stayed in office

    so why the HELL can't Spitzer stay?

    Were y'all telling Bill to resign?

    by angrytoyrobot on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:34:19 PM PDT

    •  Yes

      I thought Bill should've resigned as soon as he got caught in a lie.

      by nrafter530 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:56:11 PM PDT

    •  Yes

      by praenomen on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:36:05 PM PDT

      •  President Gore....

        hmmmmm

        by murrayewv on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 10:04:07 PM PDT

    •  Crime

      He purchased a hooker.  Last time I checked that was a crime, which for a former attorney general is a problem. Ms. Lewinsky was a tryst but not a transaction.

      by billj1 on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 06:03:27 PM PDT

•  since when are we outraged by consensual sex???

  did i make a wrong turn?  is this redstate?

  and what's a "call girl ring" - can i put it on my phone?

  good god, i miss the early 70s.  this is the kind of shit that makes people look too ugly and dumb to care about, frankly.  4 years ago, we were IGNORING the MSM, not responding to its tip... and now we sound like rick santorum's thursday morning breakfast meetings.  blech.

  by jj24 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:28:55 PM PDT

  •  He had other people arrested for the same thing

    If it was another Politician I wouldn't card but Spitzer busted 2 prostitution rings and runs as a reformer - you can't do that and then break the law.

    by jmorton on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:30:57 PM PDT

    •  I don't care right now.

      He's been good for NY and good for gays, and I don't give a shit if he was stupid enough to pay tens of thousands of dollars for sex.

      Hey, he helped the local economy, look at it that way.

      by angrytoyrobot on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:32:47 PM PDT

      •  The guy ran campaign ads

        on how he was tough on prostitution rings, then he goes and is part of one? That's hypocritcal...he lost trust.

        by nrafter530 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:54:20 PM PDT

        •  Oh no, you aren't going to lie like that

          Spitzer used the services of ring... he had a moment of frailty and carnal weakness.  

          BUT, he did NOT run the ring, he was NOT an owner/operator of the ring, he paid for SERVICES from a beautiful woman.

          What he prosecuted when he was AG were the financial operations of these services.

          He did NOT set up one of these services to gain benefits from the financial mechanisms.

          He had sex with a beautiful woman. That cost him a lot of money.  His OWN money.

          Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

          by bronte17 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 10:48:11 PM PDT

  •  You get rid of Spitzer and you are

    likely to get a Rethug in there...  Just sayin'.

    Stupid pack mentality.

    by angrytoyrobot on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:31:24 PM PDT

    •  Or, the Democratic Leutenant Governor?

      by bejammin075 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:32:48 PM PDT

    •  Nope - you get a great DEMOCRAT - Paterson

      David Paterson will make a great Gov. so no worry's there.

      by jmorton on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:35:55 PM PDT

      •  Ford was a fine President, and his affiliation

        with Nixon screwed that up...

        Spitzer should suck it up and stay in office.

        by angrytoyrobot on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:38:27 PM PDT

        •  I won't support him

          he's my Governor and I want him gone.

          And I worked on his campaign. He disappointed me.

          by nrafter530 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:54:59 PM PDT

        •  I don't think Spitzer will need a Pardon

          The Pardon sank Ford not being Nixon's VP

          by jmorton on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:55:18 PM PDT

    •  You keep Spitzer

      and you're likely to get a Rethug in 2010.

      by nrafter530 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:55:43 PM PDT

      •  yeah, b/c all of the neoconservative democrats

        will go all rethug?

        i guess i don't know my party.  i see them out there, in droves, telling us every day who and what they want, and who and what they don't - yet all the time, i hear that my party is all of the sudden full of conservative prudes.  interesting theory.

        by jj24 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:13:36 PM PDT

        •  In statewide elections

          sure...Spitzer will become the George W. Bush of New York politics and Reagan Democrats who vote Democratic federally and Republican locally will vote Republican.

          Dunno if you're from New York, but the state up until recently still had a strong Republican party that has been effective locally and in state government but ineffective federally.

          by nrafter530 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:15:56 PM PDT

          •  sounds like fear talking.

            i think people don't frankly give one shit about this.

            by jj24 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:17:07 PM PDT

            •  You in New York?

              because PLENTY OF PEOPLE GIVE A SHIT about this. Eliot Spitzer won the second largest landslide in state history and had a massive approval rating as AG...this has shaken the state to the core. There is so much anger and disappointment about this around here. If it were anyone else, there wouldn't be so much surprise, but no one expected this from him...no one.  

              by nrafter530 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:20:05 PM PDT

              •  No one is perfect.

                PLENTY OF PEOPLE GIVE A SHIT that this administration is out of control.

                Someone has to make a stand.  And if Eliot Spitzer can't do it, then no one can.

                Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

                by bronte17 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 10:54:12 PM PDT

      •  That's BS... and a scare tactic

        Spitzer needs to suck it up and roll up his sleeves... he has a fight on his hands over the corruption from DoJ.

        If he fights this and exposes the lies and corruptions of the bush administration, he will remake his image.

        He's fallen. But, he can remake himself and do a good deed for the nation.

        Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

        by bronte17 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 10:52:17 PM PDT

    •  You have to have a moral center somewhere

      or it doesn't matter what you stand for.  At some point you will fail the people that depend on you.  Hillary is a good example.  She did a lot of good things in her career, but she has let a lot of people down and now a lot of people could get hurt because of it.

      by praenomen on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:39:09 PM PDT

      •  Spitzer has an excellent moral center

        But he whipped people with his moral superiority and it came back to bite him.

        He paid for sex with a beautiful woman with his OWN MONEY.

        He should, and will, face the consequences of doing that.

        But, you do not crumble him up and toss him away because of it.

        Especially considering the manner in which they leaked this so fast... at such a critical time in NY governance.

        Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

        by bronte17 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 10:57:51 PM PDT

  •  It's not the sex

    It's the way the money was handled.

    by mariachi mama on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:31:35 PM PDT

    •  of course. i just fell off a turnip truck too.

      this is about proving some lame-ass point to the "other side" about how to handle it when someone transgresses.  ignoring, ironically, the democratic definition of trangression, and thereby redefining the left as a better right, or some such nonsense.  it's all so pointlessly preposterous.

      by jj24 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:45:56 PM PDT

  •  It's not about the sex

    it's about shell companies moving money to pay for the sex.

    by crankyinNYC on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:33:20 PM PDT

    •  only one thing to do - legalize prostitution.

      obviously.  this is the no-care zone when it comes to adult consensual adult behavior.  i.e., i'm an "old school" democrat.

      by jj24 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:36:19 PM PDT

      •  Retroactively

        Ask Bush how to do it, he seems to be an expert in pardons and immunities...

        by angrytoyrobot on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:37:16 PM PDT

    •  No, this is about the sex!

      That's first in everyone's mind.

      Geex but I hope the bois and grrrls were good.  That's a LOT of VIP Room access.

      by angrytoyrobot on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:40:02 PM PDT

  •  I don't care about consensual sex, but I care

    about federal laws. Sorry, he broke the law. He's done.

    by johnsonwax on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:00:05 PM PDT

    •  do you care about the nonsensical, pseudo-moral

      pursuit and prosecution of victimless crimes?

      by jj24 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:15:22 PM PDT

      •  Sure, but that's an argument

        to change the laws. You're arguing to not enforce them. We are a nation of laws (in theory, pre-Bush), and we follow the law. When we break the law, we face the consequences.

        But Spitzer wasn't making a statement like King was when he openly broke immoral laws. Spitzer went to great lengths to hide his acts. What's more, as AG he convicted people for doing exactly what he did. You may see that as a non-sensical pseudo-moral law, but it's OBVIOUS that he didn't. What he did was wrong and he knew it was wrong and he believed it was wrong.

        Now, if you think it's wrong, go openly hire some hookers and make your stand. I'm fine with that.

        by johnsonwax on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:41:02 PM PDT

        •  it's an argument against why someone should

          care about a law.  these are not mutually exclusive discussions.

          and no, i am quite sure that at every single 4-way stop sign is proof positive we are a nation of selective enforcement of laws.  everyone exercises judgment in the face of rules - some more than others, some better than others.

          but the inflexible, unreasoning "a law is a law" is the argument of my neoconservative fox-brainwashed mother.   who actually could be the only person on earth that always came to a full, complete stop at every opportunity in her entire life.

          look, i get the irony and the hypocrisy... but i'm more than a little nauseated that my fellow democrats are getting all up in arms in some prudish fashion about it.

          by jj24 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 10:02:10 PM PDT

          •  No, I agree that we are selective

            in our enforcement.

            But I don't see prudishness. I see disappointment in someone that people respected and had hope for and they feel burned. I see respect for the law.

            I should note that I essentially never exceed the speed limit, so I might be the wrong person to have this discussion with. LOL.

            by johnsonwax on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 10:21:06 PM PDT

            •  Holier-than-thou attitudes

              Which sin carries the greater weight?

              Lying and bearing false witness?

              Or killing?

              Or coveting your neighbor's... oil?

              Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

              by bronte17 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 11:00:39 PM PDT

•  Well, I would say this.

  There was an article in Newsweek about human sex trafficking all over the world. Don't get me wrong; what Spitzer did was wrong. But I think that the Republicans are guilty of selective outrage -- where is their outrage at all the human sex trafficking going on around the world? And for that matter, where is their outrage over Vitter or Craig? The only reason the Republicans are following this double standard is because of the D after his name.

  by Eternal Hope on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:30:07 PM PDT

  •  Spitzer should quit and call out Vitter and Craig

    This is why he should resign - he should do this and at the same time take out Vitter and Craig.

    by jmorton on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:32:09 PM PDT

    •  EXACTLY! Call out Vitter and Craig and

      say something along the lines that he has enough sense to bow out and not further embarrass himself and disrespect the sensibilities of voters.

      by rattapallax on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:38:49 PM PDT

    •  No... because Spitzer is NOT on the same level

      as Vitter and Craig.

      Vitter is nasty and a perv. He is ugh... so gross.  

      Spitzer is just a regular guy who, for whatever reason, developed a taste for beautiful call girls. And paid for it with his own money.

      And Spitzer has actually accomplished a lot of good in his life's work.  

      Bet you cannot name one thing good that Vitter or Craig have accomplished in their life.

      Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

      by bronte17 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 11:05:06 PM PDT

  •  EH, I don't agree with

    the "they do it so we can to" line of thought. Spitzer needs to resign.

    Republicans think sex trafficing is funny. I wrote a diary last year about the hilarity at Free Republic when a a sex trafficing ring was broken up with many of the girls 12 or 13 years old..but they were just Mexicans, so they liked servicing 20 men a day. Repukes are so racist that they think the lesser races are so hyper sexed that they have what's coming to them.

    by mariachi mama on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:38:33 PM PDT

    •  Well, I agree.

      He is an embarrasment to the party, and an embarrasment to everything that we have ever fought for. It seems that he tried to cover his tracks in a way that was illegal -- that makes it worse than Monicagate.

      by Eternal Hope on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 10:30:40 PM PDT

    •  Now wait a minute... these call girls were not

      exactly "exploited" in the manner those Mexican girls were.

      These call girls are, very likely, PhDs, CPAs, JDs, well-educated beautiful women who make more money in one year than many people will ever earn in their lifetime.

      I would label these call girls almost as courtesans-in-waiting.  There are many famous women who have "serviced" rich and powerful men.

      Doesn't make it right, and it's a complex issue, but Eliot Spitzer did not run a sex trafficker ring.

      Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

      by bronte17 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 11:09:47 PM PDT

•  This is bad news

  thanks for the heads up.

  I don't care what capital letter is next to your name: if you break the law, especially while in office, you should give up your elected position.

  It's a shame that Republicans have a double standard, imo, which is why the likes of Vitter and Craig are still where they are.  

  Spitzer should quit as the appropriate thing to do in this circumstance, not because the RWNM is calling for it.

  I am an Edwards Democrat!

  by Scubaval on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:30:36 PM PDT

  •  What about Bill Clinton?

    Hmmmm?

    I smell a serious double standard here.

    The Governor of NY hires some trade, and comes clean about it.  Bill Clinton lied to everyone, and y'all fought like hell for him to stay in.

    WTF?!

    Both should be able to apologize and keep their jobs, unless something else is off.

    by angrytoyrobot on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:36:40 PM PDT

    •  Bill Clinton didn't break a law

      until he lied and FWIW thought he should've resigned because of it.

      Spitzer screwed a prostitute...he didn't play hide the weinerschnitzel with his lady friend. He committed a crime.

      by nrafter530 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:51:41 PM PDT

    •  Bill Clinton didn't actually break the law

      The circumstances are a bit different.  Also Bill Clinton wasn't railing against people who were unfaithful, and acting like he was the best husband in the world.  Spitzer actually prosecuted prostitution rings.  That makes him a hypocrite, not just your average politician who is screwing around.  

      by Asak on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:52:33 PM PDT

  •  His wife's urging him to stay

    And there's a chance he might:

    http://www.marketwatch.com/...

    by Phoenix Woman on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:37:31 PM PDT

    •  Good for her...

      All politicians are crooks at heart.  Question is, is he our kind of crook or a really, really bad guy?

      If this were Europe he'd have a mistress and no one would say boo.

      Europe is laughing at us again.

      by angrytoyrobot on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:43:54 PM PDT

      •  ugh mistress

        mistress is different than hooker...he was hiring hookers, which is a crime, as much as it can be argued it's a stupid crime, it is one.

        If it was just a mistress, no one would care.

        by nrafter530 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:52:27 PM PDT

        •  but as Charlie Sheen said ...

          (someone reminded me of this)

          "I don't pay them for the sex. I pay them to go away afterwards."

          by vard on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:27:04 PM PDT

        •  A mistress is worse than hiring a prostitute

          who does a business deal and then goes away.

          Mistresses involve feelings and they take away time from the family and wife.

          Mistresses are expensive. And they sometimes get pregnant.

          And mistresses are difficult to get rid of... if the "feelings" should ever fade.

          Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

          by bronte17 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 11:13:11 PM PDT

    •  There is no chance he will stay.

      Zero, zilch, nada.  He's just negotiating the  terms of his departure and trying to settle any criminal charges.  Expect him to be gone by this time tomorrow.  Didn't think it would take this long but it's gonna end soon.

      by MajorFlaw on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:09:05 PM PDT

      •  ... and it did.

        by MajorFlaw on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:05:21 PM PDT

    •  No chance

      he has become the laughing stock of the state. Every radio station in NYC and Long Island have been making fun of him today. If it wasn't WPLJ's paraody of "Love Potion #9" (Client #9) or Z100 doing a whole segment having wives call in asking them if they'd stand by their men like Silda, or WKTU playing OneRepublic's "Apologze" and dedicating it to Governor Spitzer or another radio station, don't remember which one, doing a "Spitzer Resignation Watch" every half hour or so...he's a running joke. He can no longer govern this state effectively.

      by nrafter530 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 09:13:54 PM PDT

      •  Clear Channel bigots have taken over our airwaves

        So what if the Repukes are having fun at Spitzer's expense?  Spitzer can take it.

        Sheesh. Do you always buckle under pressure from hypocritical bigots and the nutters?

        Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

        by bronte17 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 11:15:05 PM PDT

•  I like reason #4. Damn straight this whole

  Spitzer stuff (god damn him!), if he resigns as I believe he should, should be thrown back in the rethugs face over and over, pointing out the hypocrisy of having a convicted Senator sitting in the halls of OUR congress and a Representative who was caught in the DC Madam scandal still in office.  Oh yeah.

  by Sally in SF on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:46:21 PM PDT

•  eliot spitzer was positioning himself

  to be president one day....as a populist social liberal.....

  with an absolutely DISGUSTING foreign policy...

  a total neo-con who boasted privately that he was
  more of a hawk than george w. bush.  spitzer said in 2003 many many times that nominating howard dean would result in a landslide defeat in 04 because dean opposed the iraq war which aipac loving spitzer supported.

  what is taking so damn long to have this creep resign?

  one last kiss for the maids at the gov's mansion??

  by maxnyc on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 08:50:39 PM PDT

  •  Yeah... nothing is perfect in life

    But he's done some good in his work.

    And more than likely he was nailed by unscrupulous methodology from DoJ.

    We can't fight the corruption of the bush administration if we constantly fold every time they say "boo."

    Our... constitutional heritage rebels at the thought of giving government the power to control men's minds. Thurgood Marshall

    by bronte17 on Tue Mar 11, 2008 at 11:17:19 PM PDT