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What you didn't know about Scientology

Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:49:36 PM PDT

To most people Scientology falls under one or more of three common labels:

A) That Tom Cruise/hollywood celebrity thing
B) A wacky religion which, for the most part, is a bit sketchy on the details
C) The punchline to any number of jokes

Unfortunately, assigning any of these 3 labels to Scientology effectively masks the most accurate and important one:

D) Scientology is a dangerous organization that is guilty of countless human rights abuses, fraud, blackmail, and murder _ .

This diary is meant to educate you on things which you (and most others) are largely unaware.

Scientology was founded by science fiction writer L Ron Hubbard in 1953.  It gained tax-exempt status as a ‘religion’ but later had that status removed in 1967.  Finally, after a ‘payment’ to the IRS in the amount of $12 million in 1993 they once again declared Scientology to be a "non-profitable charitable organization"; a status which the ‘church’ enjoys to this day. Scientology is the only ‘religion’ which maintains copyright protections on its materials and charges members a fee to be involved with the ‘church’.  It is the only For Profit business which also retains tax exempt status as a religion.  While many religions rely on donations and even require fees for certain optional services, Scientology requires regular payments in order for members to join and participate.  These are not elective services members pay for.  While some may argue that it is possible to join the ‘church’ free of charge, numerous members have been threatened with "Disconnect" who fail to show their loyalty through payments to the organization.  The current head of the "Church of Scientology" is David Miscavige.

Scientologists are publicly known for believing psyciatry to be a scam and forbid members to use many forms of prescription drugs.  Scientologists even have their own ‘doctors’ which they strongly encourage their members to visit in lieu of real doctors.  These scientologist doctors adhere to the organization’s position that ailments should be treated with vitamins and in "auditing sessions".  Ailments are viewed as resulting from some fault of the individual experiencing them-usually blaming them for associating with a "Suppressive Person" or "SP".  This position is one significant source of the human rights abuses and deaths that have been (and continue to be) due to membership with the "Church of Scientology".  Former scientologist Ellie Perkins was killed 5 years ago today when her schizophrenic son stabbed her over 70 times.  Reports indicate he was not taking any schizophrenic medicine due to the rules imposed by the ‘church’ of which both he and his mother were members:

Perkins' schizophrenia was being treated with vitamins and herbs by his parents, Church of Scientology "auditors" who rejected modern psychiatry. On Tuesday, John R. Nuchereno, Perkins' attorney, told the judge that had his client been given psychiatric treatment instead of being treated at a Church of Scientology medical facility, "his mother would be alive today."

For more info on Scientology-related deaths: link

Another largely unknown source for the human rights abuses by the Church of Scientology is the "Sea Org".  I’ll let some ex-scientologists speak about the Sea Org.  This is only a taste of what information is available so please visit the website yourself and read more:

The Sea Org, short for "The Sea Organization", is Scientology's parish (for lack of a better word). Not all Scientologists are in the Sea Org, but the most dedicated ones usually are. The current leader of Scientology, David Miscavige, is also in command of the Sea Org.

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When a Scientologist joins the Sea Org, he signs a contract agreeing to serve for 1 billion years (no typo - 1,000,000,000 years). Because Scientologists believe in re-incarnation, the Sea Org member is expected to return and serve again in his or her next life.

Critics believe that the Sea Organization is one of the most abusive groups in the world. The abuses that go on daily in the Sea Org are all that more egregious because, due to Scientology's religious status, law enforcement is reticent to investigate. Here are just a few aspects of Sea Org life, taken from hundreds of personal testimonials from ex-Sea Org members, that are decried by critics:

Sea Org members are not permitted to have children while working for the organization. Couples who get pregnant are either pressured to abort the baby, or they must leave. Often, these people have been in the Sea Org so long, they have nowhere to go, no resume outside of Scientology, no job experience, no finances, no property, and no non-Scientology friends.

Anyone who leaves the Sea Org without permission is declared a Suppressive Person by the Church of Scientology, and is ostracized from family, friends, and loved ones. It is very difficult to get permission to leave the Sea Org, and one cannot simply quit and then walk out the door. The "approved" leaving process involves up to 3 years of hard physical labor, E-metered confessionals, social isolation and group pressure.
Sea Org members live in horrible conditions. Unmarried members never have rooms to themselves, regardless of age, but instead live in small rooms with 3-12 other members. Members are often denied proper sleep and are often forced to skip meals because of the pressures of the job.

But wait.  Whose words are these?  Well they are the words of 3 former members of the Sea Org.  One of them is named Jenna Miscavige.  She is the niece of the current head of the Church of Scientology David Miscavige.  She left the organization in 2005 and has been crusading against it’s abuses ever since.  Their website can be found here and I strongly recommend it.

In January of this year an underground group which is called ‘Anonymous’ openly declared war on the Church of Scientology.  The video which started it all is here:

Anonymous is a de-centralized, leaderless organization focused on dismantling the Church of Scientology.  Their goals are: to expose the leaders as conmen who are bilking victims of their money; have the church's tax-exempt status (and therefore religious classification) revoked; bring to the attention of the public the egregious human rights abuses and see those responsible prosecuted; and offer help to those who have become brainwashed and/or victimized by the organization.

The Anonymous group first gained attention when they hacked the Church website in late January.  Since then the group has decided to focus on strictly legal means with which to fight the organization and has since denounced any further activities such as the website hacking.  They organized demonstrations in multiple countries on Feb 10th and have succeeded in gaining awareness and increasing their numbers.  While many of their activites are now limited to public protests, the group is involved in other areas (all legal that I’ve seen so far) meant to help bring about the downfall of Scientology.

With the popularity the Anonymous group has gained through YouTube and the fact that the group remains anonymous even to its own members, copycat and imposters have popped up to take advantage of the spotlight.  Searching youtube you will find a number of other groups who appear in masks and/or claim to be part of the Anonymous group.  Some of them utter nonstop stupidity from the moment they open their mouths.  Yet others appear to have taken up the cause themselves and seem to capture the purpose of the movement perfectly:

Two things you will find common to both real and imposter anonymous members is the covering of their faces and masking of their voices.  While some may think this is just a form of a ‘marketing scheme’ to sell the idea to the YouTube crowd, members insist it is for their own protection.  The Church of Scientology has a very aggressive legal department that continues to threaten lawsuit against anyone who speaks negatively of the organization.  Protestors are often photographed and followed by members of the OSA.  So while the Guy Fawkes masks and the voice synthesizers may seem childish at first glance, they are used specifically for the protection of the members.  Most anonymous members don’t even know or reveal anything about themselves to other members out of fear of exposing themselves to CoS informants.  While this serves to effectively protect individual members it also opens the door for anyone and everyone to claim to speak for the movement-even if their message is one of complete idiocy.  This has happened and will continue to happen but the movement survives and grows despite that caveat.

This Saturday Anonymous is staging massive, worldwide protests in front of Scientology centers as well as other operations both public and secret.  I encourage you to join them in their fight to educate the public to the abuses of the Church of Scientology.  I also heavily encourage you to take serious precautions to hide your identity if you do.  Hats, masks, sunglasses, hoodies, wigs...whatever you have to hide your identity is a good idea.  Don’t reveal anything about yourself-even to other protestors.  Don’t judge the protestors on their appearance.  They’re not anarchists and they’re not crazy idiots.  This is a new type of protest movement.  It’s meant to change the way people think about protests.  It’s meant to attract people to the group who would normally wince at the idea of a ‘protest rally’.  It’s meant to look like a block party.  It’s supposed to look crazy and fun.  But the purpose and the message remain grave and focused.  Judge them on their message and their accomplishments-not their appearance.

Tell people about Scientology.  Direct them to the websites hereand here.  Raise awareness about the abuses of the CoS.  Scientology is not a punchline.  It ruins lives and people must know the truth.

The Ides of March approach.

Expect Them.

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    •  WHO CARES? (1+ / 1-)

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      Seriously, don't you think the world has, uh, slightly BIGGER problems that the spread of Scientology??

      WTF?

      •  I think some of the world's problems (8+ / 0-)

        shouldn't be kept in the dark because there are other problems that we are already failing to resolve. If you check my diary history I've already spoken out on many of these.  Not to mention others have as well.

        I wonder if you have included this same complaint in the last 2000 anti-hillary diaries as well?  Or have you chosen to say it here because the mood strikes you?

        "Adults with imaginary friends are stupid."

        by pullbackthecurtain on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:09:54 PM PDT

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        •  No, I seriously wonder (0+ / 0-)

          what the sudden obsession in the blogosphere is with scientology.  

          This is a recent phonemonon, all these seemingly well-meaning people suddenly cluttering up blogs with these kinds of "OMG!  Scientology!  We must top it!" sorts of posts.

          WHERE is this coming from?  It's a sudden trend, and I see it everywhere.  

          •  it's called "raising awareness" (7+ / 0-)

            It's a sudden trend, and I see it everywhere.

             

            Excellent!

            "Adults with imaginary friends are stupid."

            by pullbackthecurtain on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:14:31 PM PDT

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          •  How is this sudden? (3+ / 0-)

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            Operation Clambake has been around since the 90s, and there's been heat-ups due to lawsuits (in both directions), reports of subversive and illegal activities by Scientologists against those they "fair game", copyright lunacy related to Hubbard's science-fiction holy texts, celebrities hitting the spotlight for this profit-driven cult, etc.

            It's been going up and down for years.

            This diary offers an interesting background and context for the upcoming demonstrations.

            Your complaining sounds odd.

            "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

            by wader on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:30:12 PM PDT

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          •  Not sudden at all (0+ / 0-)

            Europe has been aware of the same issues since the 1980s, to the point that in Germany Scientology was put under observation by their Constitution Protection Service.

            I still haven't made up my mind on what the real story is. One of the sides is obviously running an elaborate propaganda campaign. I just can't tell which side.

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            by sdgeek on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:37:53 PM PDT

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          •  The Recent obession stems from... (3+ / 0-)

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            OK, do you remember that Tom Cruise Video from the beginning of the year?  Anonymous and/or The denizens of 4chan.org (warning - link is NSFW or anywhere else for that matter) got their hands on it and posted it to Youtube.  It got spread around the web for a couple of days before CoS issued a DCMA takedown to youtube stating that it is proprietary church materials.  That pissed them off, as they are trying to raise awareness of the cult, and believe in the freedom of information online, so they declared a war to remove the Church of Scientology from the internet (which as the originators of LOLCats, they believe is their domain), and to dismantle the Church organization as it now stands.  They have no qualms with the faith, as it seems no more silly to them than any other religon, but believe that the CoS destroys lives and kills.

            I'm just waiting for the exploding vans to be used

      •  If you have some earth shattering revelation (3+ / 0-)

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        to vomit upon the world, write a diary.

        Stop being a concern troll.

        "You know what the real fight is? The real fight is the definition of what is reality." Bernie Sanders

        by shpilk on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:26:36 PM PDT

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      •  Uprated (3+ / 0-)

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        Because no combination of words in entry were Troll worthy.

        For the record, I think $cientology is a cult, and mock them at every opportunity.

        First Gore, then Edwards, now Obama. But that's it!!!

        by EvilPaula on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:41:10 PM PDT

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    •  If you have not read Carl Sagan's (3+ / 0-)

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      Demon Haunted World, I'd recommend it highly. He does not discuss Scientology, but he might as well have.

      Any book that is quite good is Mackay's Treatise 'Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds'.

      Many people are ethically and intellectually lazy and prefer to be controlled and led.

      Hence the success of Soviet and Chinese models of what they call 'communism', Imperial Japan, Nazi Germany, much of the religious extremism that is in the Mid East, and here in the US.

      Scientology is for rich pampered brats, lined up waiting to be swindled our of their worldly goods and their own free will like so many sheep.

      "You know what the real fight is? The real fight is the definition of what is reality." Bernie Sanders

      by shpilk on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:25:39 PM PDT

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      •  another book I meant to say (0+ / 0-)

        not 'Any book' .. about Mackay's .. and this place reminds me often to read it and reference some of his observations, after seeing some of the over the top diatribes and craziness I see here.

        "You know what the real fight is? The real fight is the definition of what is reality." Bernie Sanders

        by shpilk on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:30:04 PM PDT

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  •  the fact.... (6+ / 0-)

    that they still hold the title for the group that pulled off the largest infiltration of the cia and fbi is incredible.

  •  You are either doing it or you are not... (1+ / 0-)

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    there's nothing halfway about me......

    (making hand into an airplane or jet)

    Whooooooosh!!!!

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    by sunbro on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:57:40 PM PDT

  •  Great overview, though I already was aware (8+ / 0-)

    because I've read much of the background at Operation Clambake :) .

    It really pissed me off that President Clinton formally criticized the German government for cracking down on what they called the Scientology "cult" in their country . . . after he was visited by John Travolta, reportedly.

    "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

    by wader on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 10:58:46 PM PDT

  •  Thank you (9+ / 0-)

    Excellent diary.  I was already aware of the sick cult they are, but spreading awareness is key.

    I really hope they have their tax exempt status removed soon.

    Their psychological mindgames and sick, twisted methods of stealing thousands of dollars from weak-minded and distressed people is appalling.

  •  I don't find Scientology's belief system (5+ / 0-)

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    or the story of its founding any less credible than any other religion. I would like to see all churches stripped of their tax exempt status. I would also like to see crimes committed in the name of religion prosecuted to the same degree as any other crime.

    •  How many churches engaged in massive felonious (1+ / 0-)

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      acts against the United States and shuffled their members around?

      How many named a religious practice after the act of shooting someone in the head then (jokingly?) suggested it be performed on certain targets...?

      "The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them." Orwell

      by NotablyZen on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:15:56 AM PDT

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      •  Here's one: the Catholic Church. (0+ / 0-)

        The biggest child molestation scandal in the history of the United States, accompanied by shuffling the perps around so they wouldn't become a source of embrrassment to the church.  

        IMHO, for that, the Catholic Church should be shredded.

        •  here's one: you're wrong (0+ / 0-)

          The biggest child molestation scandal exists despite your anti-Catholic rant. Here's something for you:

          A U.S. Department of Education report issued in 2004 examined a number of American studies into the prevalence of sexual misconduct by school staff. They found that between 3.5% and 50.3% of students are targets of educator sexual misconduct sometime during their school career. They found that teachers, coaches, substitute teachers were the most common offenders.

          If this report is accurate, then sexual abuse by priests in the Roman Catholic church, and by other clergy, appears to pale in comparison with the abuse being experienced by children and youths in the public schools.

          Those bishops and administrators who moved priests who abused around are indeed culpable. There's much to be answered for. I am sure you will take the facts and begin a crusade as well against the public schools.

          But hey, don't let facts get in the way of slandering the vast, vast majority of Catholic priests and religious. It's a cliche you can use without thinking.

          •  bull poopy: organized vs. random. (0+ / 0-)

            Public schools are operated by local school districts, under  the jurisdiction of state Boards of Education, but are not controlled by the Federal government much less by an international institution.

            State Boards of Education don't go shifting teachers around when there are reports of molestation, in order to cover their (the Board of Ed's) asses.

            The Catholic Church is a unitary executive organization: a centrally controlled hierarchy on an international scale.  Upper-management-level members of that hierarchy knew of the allegations and shifted the molesters around to cover their (management's) asses.  

            Just look at the financial settlements, and compare with the total of financial settlements against the nation's public school districts over the same period of time.

            Stop being in denial.  

            Stop protecting pedophiles.  

            •  I appreciate you read at a 3rd grade level but... (0+ / 0-)

              But the FACTS are that there are cover-ups in the public schools. And since you don't know how the Church operates, it operates in the U.S. at the diocesean level. In my post, I said:

              Those bishops and administrators who moved priests who abused around are indeed culpable. There's much to be answered for.

              Thus your last comment reflects either 1. you can't comprehend what your read or 2. you're an anti-Catholic ass ignorant of facts. And if you read the following, and continue to disbelieve the DOE report, then you're the one in favor of protecting criminals, not me, by evidence of what I've stated:

              The Oregonian quotes Mary Jo McGrath, a school law attorney and sexual abuse expert in Santa Barbara, California, who said, "The secret deals are one of the main things that keep the wheels greased on the machinery that keeps passing around the molesters."

              The [The Oregonian newspaper 02/18/08] reports that in the past five years, "nearly half" of Oregon teachers disciplined for sexual misconduct left their schools with such pacts. The practice is well known throughout the country, with officials nicknaming it "passing the trash."

              ".

              The Oregonian writes that confidential agreements came into use because of economic pressure, and officials admit that the agreements are the cheapest and fastest way of getting a problem teacher out of a particular school. One of the deterrents to firing teachers who are caught molesting students outright is expensive court battles with the unions. Keeping a teacher on paid leave while the teacher is under investigation can also be costly.

              So, unlike the U.S. justice system, which presumes innocence before guilt, you want to treat the Church by a different standard. Fine. Then treat the public schools by the same standard. The DOE states it's a much larger problem. And as I am sure you suspect, now that you know there are cover-ups in the public school system, that it should be investigated further since we don't know how many cover-ups haven't been discovered.

              Now I suspect you're not mature enough to admit you're wrong, despite the facts, you can go on your merry way and ignore the public school problem.

              It won't occur to you probably to rethink anything because that's not how you operate, apparently. Assert without facts then accuse your opponent of exactly the opposite of what he said. Ah, perhaps it will happen to you one day, though I don't think you will reassess but whine.

              •  and you debate at the third grade level... (0+ / 0-)

                and your momma wears Army boots, and you've got cooties!

                So there, nyah-nyah!

                (I can play that game too, and it's bullshit.)

                Look, I've never heard of that report on schools before, but if it's true, then it's an equivalent scandal, all the moreso because "passing the trash" to avoid the cost of unpaid leave is a venal, petty, and disgusting excuse for allowing adults to continue molesting children.

                The answer to this one is to turn credible cases over to the DA and have these people investigated and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.  And any school district that engages in "passing the trash" should be blown up with the legal equivalent of dynamite, leveled with bulldozers, and something else built in its place.  People who are engaged in this sort of shit should be permanently forbidden from working in any position that has responsibility over children, for the rest of their lives, and that includes jobs in the private business sector and the tax-exempt sector.  

                I don't care where the crime is occurring, the result is the same and the response should be the same.  

                And the same case obtains with respect to political corruption cases involving Democrats.  Whatever it is we find disgusting about what the Republicans do, the same principles must necessarily apply on our side of the aisle.  

                FYI, one of the bases of my sense of ethics is the Kantian categorical imperative: act according to those maxims that you would will to be universal.  In other words, what's good for the goose is also good for the gander.  

                Now please get over your apparent persecution complex.  

                •  then welcome to school (0+ / 0-)

                  then it's an equivalent scandal

                  Uh, no, it's a far greater scandal, as I stated. Here's a debate tip: I stated it existed, I backed it up, then you tripped over yourself again.

                  It's groovy you're into Kant, and I appreciate the subjectivity of what "you would will".

                  We'll just contrast that with the evidence that there exist universal values, developed by cultures and religions to a refined aspect, i.e., natural law as a basis then developed, and then seek the universal value paradigm that goose and gander may aspire to. Like better reading skills.

                  •  i also believe in natural law rather than (0+ / 0-)

                    social contract theory.

                    But it's clear you have an axe to grind, and an institution to defend by going into aggressive ad-hominem mode.  

                    Sorry bub, I'm not playing.

                    /ignore.

    •  They think we're possesed by the souls of ancient (2+ / 0-)

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      aliens.

      They hide the truth of what they believe from their own members until they have paid thousands of dollars and are pretty much sucked into the cult.

      It is not just a religion.  It's the largest cult in the world.

      I'm an atheist and think all religions are pretty much bullshit, but this is on a totally different level.

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      by VelvetElvis on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:53:02 AM PDT

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  •  Oh Great, Now There Is A Law Suit Hitting Kos's (5+ / 0-)

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    desk as we speak .....

    Let us not forget New Orleans. Visit Project Katrina.

    by webranding on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:02:11 PM PDT

  •  What is this weird and sudden (1+ / 0-)

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    trend toward being obsessed with Scientology?

    I mean, who CARES?

    In the whole scheme of thing, the scourge of Scientology is pretty freaking FAR DOWN THE LIST.

    We've got a war in Iraq, fascism in America, we've got global environmental catastrophe looming, peak oil, economic collapse ....

    And you, and (all of a sudden) thousands of other people are suddenly all bent out of shape about SCIENTOLOGY???

    Is this some kind of weird defense mechanism whereby you avoid thinking about the world's real problems?  

    Or is it some other trend with "you young people" that got started on Facebook or something?

    I really do NOT understand it!  Suddenly it's EVERYWHERE!  

    "SAVE US FROM THE EVILS OF SCIENTOLOGY!"

    Pbbbbbbtttt!!

    •  It's dangerous, and it's growing (9+ / 0-)

      Sure, it's not our #1 priority, but it's a threat we should take seriously.

      Seriously, 1 diary dealing with Scientology, and you flip out like that?  Not cool.

      •  I'm a bit more worried (4+ / 0-)

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        by dominionists infiltrating the military.  Scientology has infiltrated Hollywood, apparently.  They're nasty.  Not so important.

        Nevertheless, they're nasty.  All zealots are nasty, even those who write indignant candidate diaries.

        I'm more worried about Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and their ilk than I am worried by John Travolta.

        L. Ron Hubbard wasn't even a good sci-fi writer.

        •  Maybe it shouldn't be your #1 concern (4+ / 0-)

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          but you shouldn't dismiss it so quickly.

          After all, Scientology has successfully infiltrated the US Government, and remains entrenched to this day.

          The Anon folks aren't wrong about this.  Scientology is a major problem that gets swept under the rug.  Sure, maybe the way they're going about this right now may seem a bit silly, but they'll work it out.

          •  A "major problem?" (0+ / 0-)

            Uh ... compared to our REAL major problems facing the world, and the country?

            no.

            Listen, I work in Hollywood.  Scientology is not that big a deal.  It's just something we joke about.  

            •  I don't care where you work (1+ / 0-)

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              Do you not believe in the seperation of Church and state?  Isn't a "Church" infiltrating the state to obtain its objectives a major problem?  

              Sure, its initial objective was to get tax exempt status, but they got that years ago.  Could they not be working on other projects from within the government now?  Could they not be at least partially responsible for some of the "REAL major problems facing the world"?

              You speak downthread about not worrying about the spread of Scientology, you acknowledge they are growing.  They are no joke, they are hurting people.  Shouldn't this be nipped in the bud before it progresses to be a REAL major problem?  

              Should they not at least be on the radar?

              •  Compared to what? (0+ / 0-)

                Compared to Evangelical Christianity wanting to wipe out Muslims across the world?  

                Compared to Southern Baptists?

                Compared to The Church of Christ?

                Compared to the Mormons?

                Compared to the Republican Party?

                Compared to corporate ownership of the media?

                Compared to environmental destruction and global warming?

                Compared to Peak Oil?

                No, this is not a "major" problem, it's not even close.  It's not even a blip on the radar.

                Sure, they suck, they're bad, but why waste your energy on THAT when there are literally thousands of other problems the world is facing that are LITERALLY threatening civilization as we know it, Democracy, the Constitution, our health, etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

                My original question was all about wondering why this "major problem" was suddenly, just in the last couple of months, all over the blogosphere, some kind of weird trend.

                Seriously, put your efforts into something that that's actually a threat to us.  This isn't.  

                Priorities.

                •  . (0+ / 0-)

                  I've written diaries on the predatory health insurance companies, the Iraq war, the capitulating democrats, the erosion of the Constitution.  I've written letters and emails to our congressmen and women about many of those things above.  I've donated money to MoveOn.org.  I marched in multiple protests of the Iraq war.  I've donated money and time to candidates who claim they will help put a stop to many of these major problems.  

                  And now I've written my first diary regarding the human rights abuses and fraud which the organization of scientology has gotten away with on a daily basis for the last 55 years.

                  You're right. Where are my priorities?!

                  These problems you speak of persist and I would argue they haven't improved in the slightest way.  It's not for a lack of effort on my part or anyone else's.  If you have some suggestion for how to effect change in any of the above problems that is different from what myself and many others have already done ad nauseum I'd love to hear it.  While you draw up that list I'll be educating the public on other atrocious acts being committed in the name of making money.

                  Moreover, by what logic do you assume that attention to one cause requires abandonment of other causes?  Your continued effort to condemn those who speak up about this cause is highly suspect.

                  All that is necessary for evil to succeed is that good men do nothing.

                  Edmund Burke

                  "Adults with imaginary friends are stupid."

                  by pullbackthecurtain on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 09:59:44 AM PDT

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                •  anonymous has taken minor actions against (0+ / 0-)

                  several of the groups you mention.

                  Gore works in mysterious ways.

                  by Dude1701 on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:31:59 AM PDT

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        •  p.s. (1+ / 0-)

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          Are you worried aboutGreta Van Sustren?

        •  Scientology specifically courts celebrities (4+ / 0-)

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          It's part of their business case.  Seriously.

          The celebs are meant as a soft, appealing side to the cult.

          Instead, the reality is that many people are eventually warped into reliance on the cult's methods for self-examination and breakdown/rebuilding, but that they are behind more shell businesses than people realize.

          They add converts by appealing to addicts through their Narconon front, for example.  The methods used are in the same general theme as "Dianetics".

          The links above are more than enough to see how amazingly pervasive - and monetarily embedded - they've become in the States, especially.

          "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

          by wader on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:37:50 PM PDT

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        •  here's a strategy for you: (2+ / 0-)

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          Take down the easy target first.

          Then go for the Big Guys.  

          Scientology is an easy target because people have heard of it and largely regard it as a joke.  Yet the scandal quotient is right up there: infiltration of the IRS included, and child abuse stories included, not to mention the overt fraud scam element.

          Next target: the Moonies.  Who own the Washington Times.  And who are in cozy-cozy with Bush & Co.  The Moonies are a big deal, they have a huge organization and they have major political clout behind the scenes in the US.

          Then after the public has become sensitized to the issue of extremist cults that gain power & influence and harm people, go after the Dominionists.  

          This is the way to get traction with this issue:  one harmful cult at a time, working our way up from the slightly dangerous to the most dangerous of all.

    •  Ignorance, anti-science and hysteria are the (3+ / 0-)

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      hallmarks of fascism and totalitarianism.

      "You know what the real fight is? The real fight is the definition of what is reality." Bernie Sanders

      by shpilk on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:20:19 PM PDT

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      •  interestingly... (1+ / 0-)

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        ...there is usually a teaspoon of truth in every bushel of bullshit, and so it goes with Scientology.

        In this case, "auditing."  

        Auditing makes use of a psychogalvanometer (skin resistance meter) in a counseling session.  This was a forerunner of modern biofeedback, that has since become mundane mainstream in the context of sports medicine clinics and in stress clinics.  

        The idea behind auditing is that the meter shows the physiological response that occurs when you are thinking of something that's emotionally charged, and then the "auditor" zeroes in on the emotionally charged material during the session.

        This would be a perfectly viable method for conducting psychological counseling.  If nothing else it would be more efficient at locating emotionally charged issues that needed attention.  However, Scientology has co-opted it as a method for reinforcing its control over members.  And it is successful in the latter role precisely because it "works."  

        What's needed here is for legitimate mainstram psychology to explain "auditing" in a manner similar to what I've done here: in terms that strip it of its mysterious aura and enable the cult to use it as a control method.

        And what could also be useful is for purely mainstream counselors to offer a similar service, using biofeedback not only as a teaching tool (e.g. teaching people to relax and de-stress) but also as a diagnostic tool (pointing out where certain thoughts, memories, and feelings are stressful and deserve further work in therapy.  

        My point here being, to the extent that "auditing" is demystified, and to the extent that analogous techniques go mainstream, Scientology loses its claim on exclusive truth, loses the power of mystery, and loses the power of monopoly.

    •  You Asked This Before. It's Not Sudden nt (0+ / 0-)

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 01:14:59 AM PDT

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    •  Oh bull poopy. (0+ / 0-)

      We have over a hundred candidate diaries a day and you find it in your sweet little self to get all in an uproar over one diary that's about something else...?  

      Given the number of postings you've made here dumping on the diarist, I have to ask: you wouldn't happen to be a spokesperson for Scientology, would you?

  •  As someone who works in Hollywood (12+ / 0-)

    and has for a number of years now, all I can say is that most people have no idea how deeply Scientology's roots have grown into the media as a whole.  Among their members are actors, writers, directors, musicians, newscasters, producers of film, television and cable news, etc.  I don't fault the diarist for posting this at all.  Scientology is finding its way into your living rooms every night, you have a right to know that.

    "You can't fight city hall. But you can crap on the steps and run away." - Alexei Sayle

    by Magnus Greel on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:21:11 PM PDT

    •  How is that different from Catholicism? (0+ / 0-)

      Or Judaism, Baptism, or any number of other religions?

      One reason I'm a little skeptical is that this sounds a lot like something I grew up with in Germany: "the world Judaism is trying to take over the world." (I was born well after WW II, but there were enough people in my family who still had this mindset).

      Not saying that the concerns about Scientology are unfounded, but I want to be extra certain sure the concern is real.

      Army 1st Lt. Ehren T. Watada, Lt. Cdr USN Matthew Diaz, SPC Eli Israel: true American heroes.

      by sdgeek on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:43:52 PM PDT

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      •  Actually, the German government (3+ / 0-)

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        will not allow them to operate on German soil because of anti-Nazi laws that prohibit cults. So rather than look at them as the Jews in your construct, they are more like the Nazis, at least to the people who know the most about Nazis.

        •  Not at all (1+ / 0-)

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          The quote I used wasn't a "construct" but rather a (more or less) literal quote. And much of the anti-Scientology argument sounds awfully similar.

          That doesn't mean that it really IS similar in any way, shape or form. It is entirely possible that Scientology is indeed the threat it is made out to be. All I'm saying is that I want to be extremely certain before I subscribe to that line of thinking.

          How Germany treats Scientology today is a completely separate matter, I wasn't referring to that at all.

          Army 1st Lt. Ehren T. Watada, Lt. Cdr USN Matthew Diaz, SPC Eli Israel: true American heroes.

          by sdgeek on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:26:20 PM PDT

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          •  . (1+ / 0-)

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            It is entirely possible that Scientology is indeed the threat it is made out to be. All I'm saying is that I want to be extremely certain before I subscribe to that line of thinking.

            That is a very appropriate concern.  When I first became aware of this movement I felt the same way.  So I did a little research.  Even then I wasn't willing to take the words of some blog or some .org website at face value.  I wanted to read from more reliable sources.  Police reports, court filings, coroner reports.  Once I started finding official documents that began to corroborate what these individual-owned websites were claiming I became convinced.  It's easy to get caught up in internet falsehoods and luckily DKos has taught me to be confident in your source before you list it as truth.  A lot of what I believe wrt to the anti-CoS movement is still taken from these secondary sources but I'm willing to give them a little more credit now that I've seen confirmation of some of their claims.

            I think just as importantly I've yet to see anyone (especially the CoS) refute any of the claims being made.  Instead they release single-line statements accusing the protestors of being 'cyber terrorists' or 'anti-religious bigots'.  What they don't say speaks volumes.

            "Adults with imaginary friends are stupid."

            by pullbackthecurtain on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 06:08:13 AM PDT

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      •  Its all (well ok, mostly) about the Benjamins (3+ / 0-)

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        Christianity = Free
        Islam = Free
        Judaisim = Free
        Buddism = Free
        Scientology = Big $$$

        If they've got all the secrets to help mankind, why does it cost so much to move up in ranks in the church?

  •  Uh oh. You're gonna get sued. (2+ / 0-)

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  •  Well constructed diary... (1+ / 0-)

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    even if I did not agree with its premise, this is a well constructed entry.  

    The fact that I do agree with the premise, gives me pause for thought and even more impetus to recommend this.  Nice one.

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    by o really on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:35:08 PM PDT

  •  I think it's fine .. (2+ / 0-)

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    for pullbackthecurtain to diary about Scientology or any other subject, for that matter.
    People can read it or not.
    Comment or not.
    I don't think it's necessary for a diary to address a topic that falls within some preconceived framework of the "World's Most Important" problems for it to have merit.
    PS This is not intended as criticism of any previous poster.
    I suspect that I'm as pissed off and partisan about this Democratic nomination battle as the next person but I do think that the ugliness of some of the exchanges in that arena (including my own) is leading to a breakdown of civility in the overall tone. Just my $.02.

    In the halls of justice, the only justice is in the halls. Lenny Bruce

    by the biped on Wed Mar 12, 2008 at 11:51:22 PM PDT

  •  Thanks for bringing this up. (8+ / 0-)

    While it may not seem like a big deal to many of the people here, I have personally seen them defraud and swindle friends who were vulnerable and looking for help.
    What is important when compared to other issues, is the way the anti-scientologists Anonymous are organizing themselves. Just as the Solidarity movement in Poland provided an example of organization for others in Eastern Europe, I think this kind of leaderless movement will be studied and applied to a more political sphere -- China, Myanmar, etc. So it is important as an instruction to others confronting an authoritarian mindset.

    Go Anonymous. BTW, I boycott films that feature Scientologists, Hollywood really needs to address the way Scientology has permeated the film business.

  •  This is a good diary (5+ / 0-)

    I have had an extremely low opinion of the 4chan brigade -- poster children for the "disgustingly politically incorrect = hip and edgy" mentality -- but credit where it's due, they got this one right.

    $cientology isn't a benign religion at all.  None of the world religions disdain an entire branch of medicine.  The Dobsons of the world rail against medical conclusions that they don't like, such as homosexuality, but even they don't perpetrate the notion of a worldwide medical conspiracy.

    And while there are individual sects that oppose modern medicine, they don't have the paranoid attitude toward members who defy church policy.  CO$ will destroy people's lives if they break with policy.  Even the most backward sects of other belief systems will leave people alone who get out of the church.

    Others have avoided saying this, but I'm going to go there.  $cientology's "belief set" is an absolute crock, and it is definitely not equal to the world religions.  There are two kinds of religions, those that claim a set of real historic events and those that have myths to illustrate higher principles.

    Pagan faiths and Hinduism have myths and allegorical stories that are not believed literally, but are respected as metaphors for "universal truths" and such.  They make no claim that the events in their myths literally occurred.

    Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, and to an extent, Judaism are religions that claim their founding figures existed in specific times in history, and that specific events occurred around them.  Archeology has demonstrated some truth to some of it.  Not all, of course, and nothing close to a majority of it.  Archeology hasn't proven any religion.  But there does seem to be an historical basis for some of it, such as the existence of Jesus, Muhammad, Buddha, etc. as historical figures, and some parts of the history of Israel as given in the later parts of the Old Testament.  It wasn't pulled totally out of thin air, even if many of the other details are wrong.

    $cientology also makes claims about alleged historical events.  There is not one iota of evidence for any of it, and science has proven much of it to be categorically false, in particular their views about the universe being quadrillions of years old, and humans evolving from alien mollusks.  Believing in something that is contradicted by geology, archeology, paleontology, cosmology, and evolutionary biology is not an example of rational thinking, and it should not be placed on equal footing as the "history" religions that apparently do have some partial truth to them.

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    by PolitiCalypso on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 01:17:21 AM PDT

  •  Thank you pullbackthecurtain (2+ / 0-)

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    A great diary.  Thank you!

    "When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative." - Martin Luther King Jr

    by Riyaz Guerra on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 02:32:26 AM PDT

  •  E) they persecute heretics (5+ / 0-)

    using copyright laws.  Someone asked for a difference with Catholic Church -- you can quote the Bible and Fathers of the Church as much as you want when you criticise them, but not so with Scientology.  And their lawyers are aggressive.

    We have to change our intelectual property rights to prevent this kind of travesty.

  •  Nah, I know this... (0+ / 0-)

    but even the more relatively benign stuff about the CoS gets people to look at you askance and go "naah, that's crazy.  That can't be true... right?"

    It's kind of sad that most of what's so damn scary about them is so beyond the pale that it just seems like lunatic ranting to repeat it.  You have to start with the manic-jumping-on-couches thing and Xenu and work up.

    3 June 2008: I join the Democratic Party

    by Rorgg on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 06:58:19 AM PDT

  •  Scientologists are scary (0+ / 0-)

    "Some of you may decide that my FISA position is a deal breaker. That's ok." - Barack Obama

    by Joe Beese on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 09:12:35 AM PDT

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