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Obama's Significant Wright Problem

Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:37:06 AM PDT

And thus we reach the question of Obama's Church.

In an article posted on the ABC News website, ABC offers transcripts of sermons given by Reverend Jeremiah Wright denouncing the United States and raising America's blame for 9/11.  

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side, has a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism."....

An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.

"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

The ABC story goes on to report that in addressing Rev. Wright, Barack Obama has been dismissive both of the Reverend and the impact his statements will have.

In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." He said Rev. Wright "is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with," telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.

As an Obama supporter, I don't believe that this response is going to satisfy the public.  More than the ginned-up and largely picked-over association with Tony Rezko, the tenty-year association between Barack Obama and Reverend Jeremiah Wright threatens to blow up the Obama candidacy.

This quote, taken from ABC News' site, summarizes the kinds of comments that have been made there, at sites such as hillaryis44.com, and at taylormarsh.com.

I agree that the candidates can't and shouldn't be held responsible for comments made by others. However, by Obama continuing to go to this church for 20 years, to put this man in a position on his campaign and to refer to him as his mentor, he obviously is embracing this man and therefore his ideas. I imagine there are many churches in Chicago and if Obama took offense at what was beign preached at Trinity there would be an abundance of other churches to choose from that better suited his beliefs. Makes me believe he is quite comfortable with where he is at.

Correct or incorrect, this sentiment threatens to spread like brushfire across the blogosphere, and, more importantly, across the watercooler and kitchen table discussions that will be had for the next six weeks and beyond.

More than anything else, this controversy stands as the greatest threat to the Obama campaign because it raises questions--rightly or wrongly--about the values and core beliefs of Barack Obama, a man voters are less familiar with than Hillary Clinton.  It raises questions about why Barack Obama would associate with such views, regardless of his stated disagreement with those views.  It raises questions as to why Barack Obama would continue to attend a church where such views were espoused, rather than attend a different church.  

Take the Geraldine Ferraro controversy and think about what putting her comments out there was intended to do: to raise questions about Barack Obama by highlighting his race.  To paint him as the "black candidate."  

Now multiply it by 1000.  This doesn't paint Barack Obama as just a black candidate.  It paints him as a militant black condidate, even if only by association.  

This controversy has the potential of doing what the muslim smear and the pledge-of-allegiance smear has not done: it has the potential to put squarely in voters' minds the notion that Barack Obama is not like them.
   
It will it be enough for supporters to state that Wright retired or is not a part of the Obama campaign.  Those are poor defenses when set against the fact that for twenty years Wright was a "spiritual mentor" to Obama, baptised his children, inspired the title to his book.  The two men are linked in a way that goes beyond position with the campaign, linked in a way that overwhelms the only recent retirement by Wright.

Like many, I already tire of the reject versus denounce game the primary season has turned into.

But Obama must do more--much more--than simply dismiss the statements as not "actually particularly controversial."  They are.  And he must do more--much more--than simply compare Wright to a crazy uncle you ocassionally disagree with.

This controversy is real, and it will resonate loudly with voters.

The Obama campaign must address this, address it squarely, and address it now.      

 

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    •  I'm also very concerned (2+ / 0-)

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      are you concerned?

    •  This one is written better... (12+ / 0-)

      ....and do not dismiss it as concern trolling.  My heart sunk to new depths when I saw this story.  This is the first smear on Obama that has a good chance of sticking.

      The United States of America--the only country in the world where being educated and cultured actually *lowers* your social and political standing.

      by LordMike on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:43:16 AM PDT

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      •  I've always been concerned about it (2+ / 0-)

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        LordMike, Catte Nappe

        and I'm glad that it's coming out now, not in the fall.  Rev. Wright can easily be turned into the Willie Horton of 2008.

        No, Rev. Wright didn't rape or kill anyone.  He can be portrayed, however, as the evidence that Obama really is the dangerously radical black man that a lot of white people are concerned about.  While there are millions of people who are willing to consider voting for a nonthreatening Cosby/Oprah/Jordan/Woods black man, they always wonder in the back of their minds whether Obama is really Al Sharpton or Elijah Muhammad in disguise.

        Those fears are, of course, absurd. We live, however, in a country that willingly went to war 5 years ago b/c it was afraid that a tinpot tyrant on the other side of the globe somehow constituted a threat to us.  Americans have 7 years of experience fearing fear itself.

        There are a # of reasons why HRC hangs in an unwinnable race.  There are a # of reasons why the dogwhistling of her campaign has gotten more obvious.  It's entirely possible that her campaign leaked this information, although many of us knew that it was out there.

        How this story plays will go a long way towards determining whether Obama can wrap up the nomination.

        Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

        by RFK Lives on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:23:40 AM PDT

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    •  I am hardly a concern troll (18+ / 0-)

      I think a review of my previous diaries about my support for Obama--which was derided by some as "cheerleading"--negates any suspicion of me as a concern troll.

      The shit Hillary has thrown has stuck not at all, and backfired.

      But this controversy scares me.

      Maybe my concern is ill-placed.  I hope more than anything that I am wrong.  

      Barack Obama is going to be the next President of the United States.

      by LarsThorwald on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:43:21 AM PDT

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      •  I'm horrified, not concerned, by Wright. How (0+ / 0-)

        can Obama be so smart about everything else, yet have this reckless guy preaching to his kids and being part of his campaign?

      •  Sadly, I think your concerns are warranted.... (1+ / 0-)

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        Catte Nappe

        This one will stick if Obama is not careful.  This one is the real test of how Obama will respond to smears.

        Obama, yes you can!

        Any party that would lie to start a war would also steal an election.

        by landrew on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:17:24 AM PDT

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      •  scares me alot (0+ / 0-)

        Bye, bye momentum!

      •  From reading.... (3+ / 0-)

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        the comments you provided by Wright, it is very difficult for me to argue that the man is wrong in his condemnations.  We as a nation have done those things.

        People may not like to hear it, but it isn't Obama's problem that people can't handle the truth, however unpleasant it may be.

        We really need to get away from the myth that the US of A is somehow better than every other country that has ever existed.

        "The meek shall inherit nothing" - F. Zappa

        by cometman on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:25:39 AM PDT

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        •  We may need to get away from that myth, but (1+ / 0-)

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          I don't think that this Reverend Wright person is going to be able to deliver that message effectively.

          •  I don't think Obama is asking him to. (0+ / 0-)

            From what I can tell these quotes are taken from sermons at the minister's church.

            He's preaching to the choir, which is pretty much his job.  Having been a churchgoer at one time at what I later came to realize was a fundy church, I can tell you there's a lot more venom coming from the rightwingers in pulpits all around the country.  And they aren't even telling the truth as Wright is, albeit in a fairly inflammatory way.

            Someone will probably force Obama to have to address this, but I've got a lot of confidence that he can do so effectively

            "The meek shall inherit nothing" - F. Zappa

            by cometman on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:01:40 PM PDT

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          •  He delivers it very effectively (0+ / 0-)

            To his congregation, which is his job.  He's not a part of the campaign.  This whole thing was already addressed, in a bigoted fashion, by Sean Hannity, who derided Wright as "seperatist".  Didn't stick, won't stick.

          •  This is where I like to insert this quote (0+ / 0-)

            Patriotism is proud of a country's virtues and eager to correct its deficiencies; it also acknowledges the legitimate patriotism of other countries, with their own specific virtues. The pride of nationalism, however, trumpets its country's virtues and denies its deficiencies, while it is contemptuous toward the virtues of other countries. It wants to be, and proclaims itself to be, 'the greatest,' but greatness is not required of a country; only goodness is.
             
                                     Sydney J. Harris

            •  Again - I just don't think this is "the guy" to (0+ / 0-)

              change the perceptions of the majority of Americans.

              You know those GBCW diaries where the diarist says they hate dkos and all the people?  They never get any sympathy - people immediately become defensive - and no matter how legitimate the diarist's issues may be - no one is willing to stop and listen.

              I think this Wright guy has that kind of delivery that would turn most people off.  His first mistake is making sure that most white women listening to what he was saying in the clip linked above would come away with the distinct impression that they had just been told to sit down, shut up and quit yer whining because you have no standing.  There are other ways of approaching the issues he was talking about that I think would be more effective in creating understanding and common cause.

      •  Sadly, it has already reached us in Europe via (0+ / 0-)

        Sky News this morning (Murdoch owned, who knew!) though over here we don't attach too much importance to "religious" news but this item will get picked up for the wrong reasons, and some asshat from the McCain campaign will make a meal out of it.

        Sic Transit Gloria Locavore!

        by Asinus Asinum Fricat on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:47:27 AM PDT

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    •  already diaried, again and again (1+ / 1-)

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      as per the FAQs, please delete.

      There is no avant garde. There are only people who are a little late. --Edgar Varese

      by thepdxbikerboy on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:48:06 AM PDT

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  •  If we can't pin Pastor Hagee On Mc Cain... (5+ / 0-)

    Then we can't pin Rev. Wrong on Obama.

    "Let us find that common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect that spirit as well. " Barack Obama:A More Perfect Union

    by WeBetterWinThisTime on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:39:02 AM PDT

    •  Hagee is white... (1+ / 0-)

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      ...and is not portrayed by the media as "brown and scary".

      He also isn't McCain's personal minister.

      The United States of America--the only country in the world where being educated and cultured actually *lowers* your social and political standing.

      by LordMike on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:42:00 AM PDT

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      •  I'm Black (0+ / 0-)

        ...and that is the dumbest thing I ever heard.

        "Let us find that common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect that spirit as well. " Barack Obama:A More Perfect Union

        by WeBetterWinThisTime on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:43:32 AM PDT

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        •  That's why you don't understand... (2+ / 0-)

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          This story plays on white America's fear of the different...  The ABC news story is full of racial overtones designed to scare the white voter.  It's very effective, believe me... it's also scandalous, racist, and wrong... but, it will work, I'm afraid!

          The United States of America--the only country in the world where being educated and cultured actually *lowers* your social and political standing.

          by LordMike on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:45:51 AM PDT

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          •  Oh Hell No! (1+ / 0-)

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            We're done . Buddy I know White people more than you think.

            "Let us find that common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect that spirit as well. " Barack Obama:A More Perfect Union

            by WeBetterWinThisTime on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:47:22 AM PDT

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            •  I hope you are right... (0+ / 0-)

              I want you to be right... I just have little faith in the American voter after all these years of Bush.

              The United States of America--the only country in the world where being educated and cultured actually *lowers* your social and political standing.

              by LordMike on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:51:56 AM PDT

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            •  Oh, I see now what you are saying... (1+ / 0-)

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              ...I apologize.  From reading the posts downthread, I misunderstood your meaning.  My apologies, again...

              The United States of America--the only country in the world where being educated and cultured actually *lowers* your social and political standing.

              by LordMike on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:15:47 AM PDT

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          •  Black people don't understand white fear????? (3+ / 0-)

            Are you fucking kidding??

            With thousands of blacks lynched due to white fear and ignorance, with a history and present reality of discrimination, they don't understand???

            You have GOT to be kidding.

            There is no avant garde. There are only people who are a little late. --Edgar Varese

            by thepdxbikerboy on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:50:40 AM PDT

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            •  Then why so dismissive? (0+ / 0-)

              You KNOW that's what ABC "news" was up to... race baiting, institutionalized!  And everyone is being pollyanna about it thinking that it will just go away.  Racism doesn't just go away!  It has to be confronted head on!

              The United States of America--the only country in the world where being educated and cultured actually *lowers* your social and political standing.

              by LordMike on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:53:59 AM PDT

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              •  Umm, I'm not the dismissive one here. (1+ / 0-)

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                WeBetterWinThisTime

                YOU'RE the one who told a black person that they don't understand white fear.

                That's like telling a gay person that they don't understand homophobia.

                And no one said anything about racism just going away. Period.

                There is no avant garde. There are only people who are a little late. --Edgar Varese

                by thepdxbikerboy on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:57:31 AM PDT

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                •  No, I didn't say that... (0+ / 0-)

                  ...you are putting words in my mouth...

                  or, I miscommunicated... if that is the case, I apologize...

                  The United States of America--the only country in the world where being educated and cultured actually *lowers* your social and political standing.

                  by LordMike on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:10:22 AM PDT

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      •  Here is important info about Obama's church: (3+ / 0-)

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        Look here:

        And here:

        Fight smears with truth.

        •  Damn striaght! n/t (1+ / 0-)

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          The United States of America--the only country in the world where being educated and cultured actually *lowers* your social and political standing.

          by LordMike on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:11:19 AM PDT

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        •  Knowledge and information (0+ / 0-)

          can dispel prejudices, but it takes time.

          Especially in this day, when people pick and choose information that best suits their predetermined views, and validates their prejudice.

          I sincerely doubt these videos will be appearing at Hillaryis44 or TaylorMarsh or MyDD. I expect those sites will be intent on reinforcing fears and misperceptions regarding this church, because it works to the advantage of Clinton. The truth isn't part of a "kitchen sink" approach to politics.

          The question is, will the major media report on and demonstrate emphatically the mainstream identity of the church, or will they, for ratings, stress the rhetoric of Rev. Wright and associate it with the church as a whole?

          Not a hard question to answer, unfortunately.

          "The world's a mess and I just need to rule it." -- Dr. Horrible

          by BobzCat on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:33:17 AM PDT

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    •  I disagree..... (4+ / 0-)

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      ....  whether or not we personally on this site find this to be a problem does not mean it isn't...  we are certainly not representative of America.  We tend to be more forward thinking...  A lot of America is not.  They are stuck in the same old prejudices that are fed by the same old narratives...

      We can try very hard to blunt criticism of Obama via Wright with th McCain/Hagee argument, but it may very well fall on deaf ears.  Are Hagee's comments scary...?  Hell yes...!  Do we want a foreign policy who's guiding principle is the "rapture"...?  Uh, Hell no...  Are we going to win this argument...?  I certainly hope so, but I don't like our chances....

      As was said in Men In Black...  "a person is smart, people are dumb panicky dangerous animals are you know it...."  Seriously, they fell for the "fear" argument from Bush co. in 2004.... then developed buyers remorse too late...  How do you think they will not fall for a fear mongering tactic centered on this?

      My faith in humanity has trended toward the cynical for quite awhile, I'll admit that...

      Like the nominee, don't like the nominee... Our nominee is still better than John McCain.

      by Jen K in FLA on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:51:22 AM PDT

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    •  The media man (0+ / 0-)

      They don't use exotic notions like "logic" and "reason" when evaluating these things.

  •  Obama has repeatedly addressed it (2+ / 0-)

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    from TPM:

    ast week, Obama, who has denounced various of Wright's statements, told a Jewish audience, Wright "is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with."

    "They're trying to fool you. They're trying to scare you. And they're not telling you the truth." Obama '08

    by bawbie on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:40:12 AM PDT

    •  I recognize that, but fear it is not enough (2+ / 0-)

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      landrew, Dont Just Stand There

      Barack Obama is going to be the next President of the United States.

      by LarsThorwald on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:44:19 AM PDT

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    •  Be that as it may (3+ / 0-)

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      He's going to have to address it again with this new story.  Like it or not, it's going to have to be addressed.  You've got a person on video who Obama has had a 20 year relationship with saying: "God Damn America".  We can intellectualize as to why a black person living in American would be justified to make that comment, but the "average" man (or woman) on the street isn't participating in our discussion.

      If we've learned anything from the Kerry '04 campaign it's that we can't ignore ANY attack.  If it's not responded to, it becomes ingrained into the public consciousness.  We may not like it, but it's reality.

      •  I think he'll continue to respond in much the (0+ / 0-)

        same way.

        I'd never argue that he should ignore this or not respond in any way.  Of course he should.

        But lets be clear about one thing:  this isn't a new story.  It's another rehashing of an old story.  There is nothing at all new in this story.

        "They're trying to fool you. They're trying to scare you. And they're not telling you the truth." Obama '08

        by bawbie on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:01:27 AM PDT

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        •  Well to be honest (1+ / 0-)

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          it is new to me.  I generally remember the first time controversies about Wright made it into the news.  I really didn't pay that much attention to it though, as  I wasn't as dialed into primary season as I am now.  And I've been a Daily Kos member and regular visitor for several year now.  How many people are out there who weren't paying attention to the first news reports of Wright but are paying attention now?  To them- it's not an old story.

          I hope the Obama does meet this head on and address it forcefully.  It's the only effective response.  But do not ignore it.  It won't go away.

        •  the only thing new is the video (2+ / 0-)

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          and as we know, videos can go viral.

        •  Remember what we're dealing with here.... (1+ / 0-)

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          Facts don't matter.  Truth does not matter.  Reality does not matter.

          The only thing that matters is the media megaphone and the narrative they want to push.

          It sucks, but its true.  You can't brush this one away.  You just can't.

          Any party that would lie to start a war would also steal an election.

          by landrew on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:23:23 AM PDT

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          •  Who the fuck is trying to brush it away? (0+ / 0-)

            I said Obama has responded, should respond again and repeat responding.

            Do we really need to have 5 diaries on it every day where we worry and fret about how the mean nasty republicans and clintons are going to use this?

            What the fuck do you want? To crucify Obama over this?

            "They're trying to fool you. They're trying to scare you. And they're not telling you the truth." Obama '08

            by bawbie on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:37:41 AM PDT

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            •  No. (0+ / 0-)

              I just want Obama to do more than explain it all away as the remarks of a crazy old uncle.  I think that this explanation is too casual for the moment.

              Most of us have that crazy relative that we tolerate.  But that person is family - no choice in the matter.

              Obama had a relationship with Wright by choice.  He has to explain that.  He has to put their relationship in proper context. We dealing with a nation of soundbite morons, who will look at this story in a certain way.  It could scare enough people away from Obama.

              And that scares me.

              Any party that would lie to start a war would also steal an election.

              by landrew on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:45:29 AM PDT

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              •  I'm not so sure (0+ / 0-)

                I think the family context is pretty close.  There are many many reason why one would chose a religious congregation, most of them would probably rank higher than one preacher, especially a church the size of trinity.  

                "They're trying to fool you. They're trying to scare you. And they're not telling you the truth." Obama '08

                by bawbie on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:03:29 PM PDT

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        •  He's good that way (1+ / 0-)

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          Barack usually sticks to the same explanations. It's an advantage of being honest from the start, and telling the truth the first time an issue comes up. He did the same with Rezko. I like that about him.

          "The world's a mess and I just need to rule it." -- Dr. Horrible

          by BobzCat on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:41:28 AM PDT

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  •  I firmly believe he'll sista soulja his pastor in (3+ / 0-)

    the general.  

    I don't think he wants to do it until he finishes off Clinton though.

    "There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it. Always." -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by duha on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:40:23 AM PDT

    •  He needs to (2+ / 0-)

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      Dont Just Stand There, canoeist

      Barack Obama is going to be the next President of the United States.

      by LarsThorwald on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:44:35 AM PDT

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      •  He does, and knows that. (1+ / 0-)

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        The reason why he hasn't done it yet is because the Clinton's can't really use it against him, because of all the dogwhistle stuff they have done.  The GOP obviously can't wait to.  He'll do it after he wraps up the primary, and use it just like Clinton did to shore up blue collar support.  

        "There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it. Always." -- Mahatma Gandhi

        by duha on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:48:33 AM PDT

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      •  No he doesn't; it would hurt him more (0+ / 0-)

        Sista Souljah worked because she was a person with no connection to Clinton and of no real importance. It was a cheap, no-cost move to put her down.

        Wright is Obama's former pastor. He named a book after Wright's sermon. He's said Wright is like a family member.

        You can't throw family under the bus. It makes you look shifty and untrustworthy.

        Especially with blue-collar whites. They may be scared of black radicalism, but failing to stick by your own people they view with contempt. Fear can make you lose; contempt kills every career it touches.

        He'll either be able to bulldoze through it (like GWB on his many non-apologized-for f'ups) or be sunk by it. No middle ground. No easy out for rejecting and denouncing.

        I know who Obama's veep will be. You can too!

        by slaney black on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:51:28 AM PDT

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    •  He doesn't need to throw his Pastor under the bus (1+ / 0-)

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      and he won't. He will, and his surrogates will, continue to educate and inform people about his church. It is one of the largest UCC congregations in the country and very oriented toward serving the larger community. It is nothing close to a radical church, although it seems that much of Pastor Wright's theological background is based on liberation theology.

      He does not agree with everything Pastor Wright has said, and he has said as much in the past. There won't be any "rejecting and denoucing" in this case, and there really does not need to be.

      Seriously, I think I am getting an ulcer hanging around here lately.

  •  I thought we'd been over this (1+ / 0-)

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    several times already.

    I know you're not a concern troll - I've seen your earlier diaries - but I really don't think there's anything more to this than what we've seen already.

    With Blue skies ahead, yes I'm on my way... And there's nowhere else I'd rather be

    by DarthParadox on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:40:30 AM PDT

  •  I think I'll just cover my ears and go (2+ / 0-)

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    la la la la la la la.

  •  I love, love, LOVE the way.... (8+ / 0-)

    ...people come on here every three or four minutes and demand that one or the other of these candidates do something immediately -- must act THAT VERY SECOND to address a perceived shortcoming or slight.

    How have either of these candidates survived this long? How do they and their overpaid advisers get through the average day without all this free advice?

    Another mystery of the ages...

    "Oh, TV. Is there anything you can't do?" -- Homer Simpson

    by Melody Townsel on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:41:03 AM PDT

  •  McCain has Hagee (1+ / 0-)

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    so its a wash

    "There is nothing wrong with America can't be cured by what is right with America" -Bill Clinton

    by SensibleDemocrat on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:41:18 AM PDT

  •  Thank You SO MUCH For The "Concern" (2+ / 0-)

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    but pastors and reverends are always saying all kinds of weird, interesting, provocative things.

    What do the rantings of Reverend Wright have to do with Barack Obama?

    That's "Wright":  Nothing.

    "I've been an oilman all my life, but this is one crisis we can't drill our way out of" --T. Boone Pickens

    by bincbom on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:42:01 AM PDT

  •  Yeah, yeah... "ooh, scary black radicals." (2+ / 0-)

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    Yet despite your overwhelming concern that this will morph into a huge problem... it hasn't.  And it isn't as if it's new information (i.e., anything that hasn't been on the public record for the duration of Obama's campaign).

    Their number is negligible and they are stupid. -- Eisenhower

    by Pegasus on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:42:09 AM PDT

  •  This won't affect dem. voters, (0+ / 0-)

    but it will "spread like wildfire" in repub land. Expect it.

    "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

    by Owllwoman on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:42:16 AM PDT

  •  What do you call.. (1+ / 0-)

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    fishing for Yellow Bellied Concern Fish in deep water?

    I never meant to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative. -John Stuart Mill

    by word player on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:43:17 AM PDT

  •  Sigh (9+ / 0-)

    I wish that the reaction to diaries on this topic wasn't to accuse someone of concern trolling. This is what I have noticed since this story broke out.

    Is it bullshit? Yes. Will it be a problem? Probably. Granted, I am pretty sure the Obama campaign knows this and they probably have some sort of plan. But it would be helpful if brainstormed strategies to combat the smears, rather than just accused any one who brought it up concern trolling.

    For example, last night I sent this to the Obama campaign (as a possible response they can use) :

    "Rev. Wright is now retired but he was my pastor for a number of years. I think the best way to explain my relationship to him is sort of like, as anyone can relate, having an older family member who says things that I don't agree with sometimes. Who has a different world view and perspective than mine. And you know...sometimes you kind of stay quiet to keep the peace, but sometimes you'll try to convert them over to your side, and usually you just end up having the same argument over and over again. Rev Wright is someone who has created a church community that is really beloved. Trinity has members of all races, is one of the most progressive and activist churches in Chicago, and I am very proud to be a member of the congregation. Rev. Wright is not our pastor anymore and he very clearly doesn't represent the tone or views of my campaign. For me, he has always been a religious figure and our views of the world are very different."

  •  I voted an 8 and here's why. (1+ / 0-)

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    this is a Catch-22 situation

    you can't throw a 20 year relationship under the bus when something like this arisees, you cant say you didn't now, and it is transparently politically expedient to do so.

    but you can't waver and be dismissive.

    I would hope Obama would be smart enough to see this coming and have a nice pretty little speech explaining things clearly.

    But if he doesn't this is what I recommend.

    You clearly differentiate between political and spiritual advice - explain clearly how his spirtual advice changed your life for the positive, and explain in detail arguments you have had.

    "No Comment" will only cause trouble.

    •  I hope that would work. (0+ / 0-)

      What I just saw was exactly the kind of resentment and hate that freaks me out when I watch Pat Robertson.  I wouldn't take spiritual advice from this Wright character.  Up until now I've completely ignored this issue primarily because I don't believe in the religious test - but what I just saw from that Wright person was in the realm of the political and that is where he has presented a minefield for Obama.  

  •  This Poll (1+ / 0-)

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    Only reflects the respondents level of fear from the Right. The higher the number , the more fearful and less confident the respondent is.

    Note: Those who TR this comment are demonstrating that you are a wussy scared of Republican attacks.

    "Let us find that common stake we all have in one another, and let our politics reflect that spirit as well. " Barack Obama:A More Perfect Union

    by WeBetterWinThisTime on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:46:16 AM PDT

  •  It's over (6+ / 0-)

    I will just go over to the White House now and measure President McCain some drapes for the Oval Office.

    Democrats freak out over some ridiculous stuff. If Obama's general election candidacy is sunk by this, then he will be shown to be a weak campaigner who rolled over for the Republicans. He would be incapable of winning regardless of how crazy his pastor is.

    Good thing for us though, that he is a strong campaigner who will rub Republicans' noses in this bullshit from April till November.

    •  I hope you are right... (0+ / 0-)

      why not be prepared, though?  I think it is a valid strategy to have a ready response than get hammered over and over.  Remember the swiftboating?  How could we possibly believe that a decorated war hero would be brought down by a bunch of draft dodging elites?  Well, obviously, we overestimated the ability of the public to see that underhanded strategy for what it was.  We can't ever do that again.

  •  Why would the Obama campaign have to address (7+ / 0-)

    this anymore than it already has?

    No one controls what their pastor says and if they do have control of their pastor, then they don't have much of a pastor.

    I know very few people that agree with their pastor or their religion 100% of the time, so why is this a big deal?

    Senator Obama might go to the church because it's the closest to his house or because he likes the people of the congregation or any number of reasons in spite of disagreeing with the paster on issues... Just like most people that attend church regularly.

    I know people that attend a church full of parishioners that they can't stand, because they really like the pastor.

    Religion is a funny thing and people's individual reasons for attending one particular church over another can be even funnier. Quite often the reasons are as simple as geographic proximity... People don't like driving a long time to get to church on Sunday mornings.

    It's entirely possible that Senator Obama means exactly what he says, that he doesn't agree with his pastor on everything and sometimes his pastor can say crazy things... It isn't a big deal. It happens all the time.

    "It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion." Oscar Wilde, 1891

    by MichiganGirl on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:47:06 AM PDT

  •  See Clinton supporters get to do fake outrage all (0+ / 0-)

    the time. When we were upset about the Geraldine Ferarro comments we were told by Clinton supporters that oh it was nothing you are hyperbole. Well Clinton supporters stop the hyperbole after all didn't Clinton say we are to stay on issues. I see that isn't the case with Clinton supporters.

    Poll worked 7am to 5pm! Ran caucus till 10:30pm! Proud Texas dem!

    by AHiddenSaint on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:48:50 AM PDT

    •  This isn't a Clinton supporter. n/t (2+ / 0-)

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      Their number is negligible and they are stupid. -- Eisenhower

      by Pegasus on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:49:48 AM PDT

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      •  still I bet hillaryhub is already on top of this (0+ / 0-)

        as we speak spreading it.

        Poll worked 7am to 5pm! Ran caucus till 10:30pm! Proud Texas dem!

        by AHiddenSaint on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:51:35 AM PDT

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        •  Alright, but that doesn't make your ad hom (1+ / 0-)

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          any more valid.

          Their number is negligible and they are stupid. -- Eisenhower

          by Pegasus on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:53:51 AM PDT

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          •  What about McCain's pastor Hagee I never heard (0+ / 0-)

            him mention by the diarest? Why isn't he screaming about McCain's pastor to who wants to kill the gays and jewish people?

            Poll worked 7am to 5pm! Ran caucus till 10:30pm! Proud Texas dem!

            by AHiddenSaint on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:56:06 AM PDT

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            •  I don't know why you're directing this at me. (0+ / 0-)

              It's not my diary; all I did was point out that the diarist isn't a Clinton supporter.

              Re: Hagee, he isn't McCain's pastor, for one thing. And this isn't a diary about McCain, it's a diary about an area of (IMHO misplaced) concern for Obama.

              Their number is negligible and they are stupid. -- Eisenhower

              by Pegasus on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:58:30 AM PDT

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            •  Hagee is not McCain's 20-year pastor (0+ / 0-)

              Hagee to McCain is comparable to Farrakhan to Obama, except that Obama distanced himself from farrakhan while McCain embraced Hagee.

              Wright is a different matter.  People who are religious in nature are likely to recognize that your relationship with a pastor says a lot about your own faith or thinking.  

              Barack Obama is going to be the next President of the United States.

              by LarsThorwald on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:00:36 AM PDT

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              •  HE IS HIS SPIRITUAL MENTOR NOT POLITICALLY ONE (0+ / 0-)

                How many times must you hear this!  Senator Obama DOES NOT TAKE Political advise from this man!  I agree, he is a problem.  Wright should issue a very heartful, apology to Senator Obama and the American public.  Until he does that, what else is there to say?

                As soon as I stop worrying, worrying how the story ends, I let go and I let God, let God have His way. "It's the soldier, not.."

                by Lady Bird Johnson on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:05:37 AM PDT

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    •  I don't even follow what you are saying. (0+ / 0-)

      Barack Obama is going to be the next President of the United States.

      by LarsThorwald on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:52:11 AM PDT

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      •  this has nothing to do with Obama but it is used (0+ / 0-)

        against him. Obama is held to a higher standard while Clinton isn't. McCain has a pastor who wants to kill all Jewish people and blame gays for Katrina. He has blamed 9/11 on the gays. Hagee is never brought up by these people yet they are attacking Obama. How is that fair?

        Poll worked 7am to 5pm! Ran caucus till 10:30pm! Proud Texas dem!

        by AHiddenSaint on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:55:07 AM PDT

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  •  We'll see how Obama Handles it.. (0+ / 0-)

    He knows there's a problem with his church but who hasn't had a problem with their church? Hell I was raised southern baptist and was taught in Sunday School that Leviticus 20:15 was about bi-racial marriage.. that was in the 60's and 70's it seems crazy now.

    Where would we be without the old guard civil rights radicals? Somebody better pick up a history book and relearn what African Americans had to go through, 40 years is not very long ago.  

    If McCain wins, the Supreme Court will be changed for 20 years. Something to Ponder.

    by Blue Texas on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:49:13 AM PDT

  •  So he is a Muslim radical Christian now! (1+ / 0-)

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    This is rich!  I agree, Wright is an old, almost insane old man with views that mirror Pat Roberson, John Hagee and Jerry Faldwell.  He retired (thank God) and should not be seen with Senator Obama or heard from.  I disagree with all the racial flamatory comments of his gentleman just like I disgree with Roberson (even though I watch the 700 club) and Jerry Faldwell (even though I would have LOVED to attend Liberty University) and John Hagee (who came to a seminar held by Bishop G.E. Patterson in Memphis).

    As soon as I stop worrying, worrying how the story ends, I let go and I let God, let God have His way. "It's the soldier, not.."

    by Lady Bird Johnson on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:50:11 AM PDT

    •  That's actually a pretty good response. (0+ / 0-)

      "Okay, so what is it?  I am not Commander in Chief material, but I'm ready to be VP?  I am too closely associated with a Christian pastor, but somehow I am also a radical muslim?  Those who are afraid of change sure aren't thinking straight in deciding which fear note to play, are they?"

      Barack Obama is going to be the next President of the United States.

      by LarsThorwald on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:54:16 AM PDT

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  •  ABCNEWS, hypocrites (1+ / 0-)

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    This morning, after that video segment by the ABCNEWS's Brian Ross, there was an interview by the host (Cuomo) of a religious adviser (bald, white gentleman) to Sen. Obama. The guest put Cuomo in his place. I swear ABCNews is on Hillary's payroll.

    Diarist is being disingenuous by not showing a clip of that interview; for, if s/he did, we'd get a true picture of what's at play.

    Could someone find and post clip, please?

    "If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich." John F. Kennedy, Jan 20, 1961

    by Wheatbread on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:51:32 AM PDT

    •  The Obama advisor was great! ABC loves Clinton (1+ / 0-)

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      they are the worst, followed by CNN, then CBS.  NBC's Andrea Mitchell is in love with Clinton.  

      As soon as I stop worrying, worrying how the story ends, I let go and I let God, let God have His way. "It's the soldier, not.."

      by Lady Bird Johnson on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:55:54 AM PDT

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    •  True picture of what is at play (0+ / 0-)

      It is not that an Obama surrogate made what you find to be a brilliant response.

      It is what will millions of John and Joan Doe voters make of the issue after clips of out of context statements by Wright swirl around on various cable channels, and viral YouTube e-mails.

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