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Obama and Rev Wright, from a Obama supporter

Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:57:52 AM PDT

There was a diary earlier on this, but I wanted to present my views as an Obama supporter, as a "white" American, and as a woman.  
First, for those who don't know about this or haven't seen the video of Rev. Wright's sermon, here's a link (embedded in Ben Smith's blog on Politico):
Video of Rev Wright Sermon on Politico
Watch it and see what you think.

Josh Marshall, on TPM, had a very reasoned reaction to the video that I read before watching it myself, and that made me think that it might not be that big a deal.  http://talkingpointsmemo.com/...
But I found watching that vid horrifying.  It would have been far less disturbing if he hadn't kept pulling Obama's name into the mud with him.  I am terrified that this is going to pull down Obama's campaign.  
But in addition to my worry about the Obama campaign, I was infuriated by some of Wright's claims:  Some examples (not quotes -- paraphrases -- I can't bear to listen to it again to get the exact words):
that Hillary's people had never been considered less than a full person -- until fairly recent history (last 100-200 years), European  white women were legally considered chattel and got the right to vote in the United States only after black Americans did.  Women only gained the right to vote in the U.S. in 1920, less than 100 years ago. Indeed, the experience of women has some real similarities to that of blacks -- from Wikipedia:

New Jersey women, along with "aliens...persons of color, or negroes," lost the vote in 1807, when the franchise was restricted to white males, partly in order, ostensibly at least, to combat electoral fraud by simplifying the conditions for eligibility.

(note: the "electoral fraud" excuse sounds an awful lot like recent Republican efforts to stop minorities from voting)

that Hillary never had to work twice as hard to get as far
Women in her generation (my generation) were just entering law schools, medical schools, etc. in larger numbers, were still a minority, and were subjected to all sorts of harassment.  Yes, it was not as difficult as being black, but women were not treated as equals to white men either.  In my undergraduate lit class, our professor (a white man, of course) frequently stated that women weren't as creative as men -- that women's creativity was about having babies.  In the 1970s, there was nothing one could do about a faculty member saying things like that.
I guess you could say the real distinction is in the degree of organized violence and hatred that blacks had to suffer vs. the type of discrimination women experienced.  For women of our generation, the discrimination was a little more restrained -- nasty comments, condescension, lower pay, lack of promotions, men taking credit for our work, sexual harassment rather than being threatened, having our houses burned, being lynched.  But it still wasn't good: I worked for a man who put all the white women in windowless offices along one corridor, all the blacks along another windowless corridor, and gave the window offices and the higher grades to white men.  It was as blatant as could be and that was only the most obvious part of his racist/sexist behavior.  This was in the federal government in the late 80's!  I brought suit, and so did a black colleague and we had loads of witnesses and testimony -- but this was under Reagan and the only thing that happened to this jerk was that he was moved sideways.  No loss of pay or grade.
But my point is that although blacks have suffered the most in this country, women have also had to fight discrimination and bad treatment.  And to denigrate one group in order to praise another is not something Obama should be associated with.  
My feeling is that it's time for Obama to cut his ties to Wright.  This goes beyond what is reasonable or that people can accept as "an old uncle's" nutty ideas.  
I'm aware that the Clinton campaign is probably behind the publicizing of this video, but as Josh Marshall said -- this would probably come out in the general election anyway (though Marshall thought that other Dems putting this out gives it a legitimacy it wouldn't have if it came from the Republicans).
I ask Obama to please please please immediately take action to separate himself from Wright and make a strong statement about his complete disagreeement with Wright's sermon.

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  •  Tips for a feminist & Obama supporter (15+ / 0-)

    There's no contradiction in being both.

    If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

    by Tamar on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 10:59:46 AM PDT

    •  Obama has already denounced these statements (15+ / 0-)

      The video is from two months ago, and Rev. Wright has since retired from that church.  Obama has already expressed his deep disagreement with them.

      Wright basically preaches the old time "white man is keeping us down" type of rhetoric.  Anyone who listens to Obama or reads his books knows that he doesn't buy this at all.

      But I think Rev. Wright did a huge disservice to Obama by bring up his name (and worse, Hillary's name) into his sermon.  I didn't find it racist, any more than I would find an Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson speech racist.  It was just ill-informed and dumb.

      Obama will continue to reject Wright's opinions on race issues, and it would be a good idea to ask Wright to resign from Obama's Religious Advisory Board.

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      by existenz on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:19:01 AM PDT

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      •  Maybe Wright is workin' for the Clinton's (0+ / 0-)

        That might be a reason he said this stuff.  I don't trust Preachers who use Politics from the Pundit.  Wright should distance himself from Senator Obama if he is truly a real man of God.  Bringing attention to African is GREAT!  But talking about politics in this form is divisive.

        As soon as I stop worrying, worrying how the story ends, I let go and I let God, let God have His way. "It's the soldier, not.."

        by Lady Bird Johnson on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:42:45 AM PDT

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        •  Is this snark or are you that uininformed. (0+ / 0-)

          Suggest you learn a lot  more about Wright's and the church's history. You could start at the web site (Trinity UCC) and then Google for additional history.

          The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, and wiser people so full of doubts. Bertrand Russell

          by Psyche on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:29:26 PM PDT

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    •  It's not the Hillary comments (6+ / 0-)

      so much as his post 9/11 comments.

      I support Obama very strongly, but I feel equally strongly that Wright is very serious trouble for Obama.  His statements like:

      "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."

      "the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism."

      play into the "Unpatriotic" bullshit that the right and its media allies are trying to spread.  I've been telling anyone who'll listen that Hagee and Parsely are much worse, and McCain has embraced them.  But we here should know that the media is simply not going to treat these situations equally.

      I think the Rev needs to be repudiated and the sooner the better.

      Don't get me started . . .

      by Upper West on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:25:31 AM PDT

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      •  A mentally stable person would NEVER say these (3+ / 0-)

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        things about 9-11, I can't believe he said that!  But Roberson said homosexuality is the reason we got 9-11 (another insane statement).  Which leads me to say, Preachers should PREACH the Bible and not try to be Politically.  

        As soon as I stop worrying, worrying how the story ends, I let go and I let God, let God have His way. "It's the soldier, not.."

        by Lady Bird Johnson on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:38:11 AM PDT

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      •  So What Kind of Repudiation? (4+ / 0-)

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        As the comment notes, Obama has already verbally repudiated the comments.

        Would people be satisfied if Obama sent people over to beat the shit out of Wright?

        This aggression will not stand, man.

        by kaleidescope on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:42:04 AM PDT

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        •  That made me laugh. (1+ / 0-)

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          Which is fairly rare on this site for me lately.  I can picture the evening news voice-over:  "In Chicago today, high-level advisors for Senator Barack Obama beat hell out of aged minister Reverend Jeremiah Wright ..." accompanied by video of David Axelrod and other guys in suits with baseball bats in hand.

          No, actual violence is not funny.  But this image made me laugh.

          I am an Edwards Democrat.

          by ThirstyGator on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:12:05 PM PDT

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        •  Funny! (0+ / 0-)

          But whatever he has done so far, it is, (sadly) not enough.  

          The jackals will be all over this.  I really don't know what more he can do.

          The good news is I think he is smart enough to think of something!

          Don't get me started . . .

          by Upper West on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:51:19 PM PDT

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      •  Wright was always a land mine for Obama (3+ / 0-)

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        I'm relieved that it exploded now rather than 6 mos from now.  If he gets past this controversy, his nomination is probably assured.

        There are a lot of white Dem/swing voters out there (like my mother) who are a little worried about Obama's background.  This issue will fan their fears.  As Tom Bradley, Harvey Gantt, Harold Ford, and other AA candidates have found, no matter how noncontroversial your background may be, ways will be found to make white voters fear/distrust you.

        HRC's campaign has, b/c of its failure to plan past 2/5, been forced to rely on this fear/distrust as its ace in the hole.  Ferraro, "as far as I know," and all the rest make much more sense in that context.

        The irony is, of course, that, after previously being slimed as a closet Muslim, Obama will now be slimed b/c of the sermons of his Christian pastor.  So much for Ferraro's theory that he's getting a free ride b/c of his race.  Hold onto your seatbelts, as serious turbulence is ahead.

        Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

        by RFK Lives on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:50:30 AM PDT

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      •  To counter we need to demand equal time for Rod (0+ / 0-)

        Parsley's statements because THAT sumbitch is not just crazy but DANGEROUS and crazy.

        "The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them." Orwell

        by NotablyZen on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 12:02:25 PM PDT

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    •  Race in America (2+ / 0-)

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      I think that Obama's campaign hopefully will allow us to have these kinds of conversations across racial barriers. If you are a middle aged white woman in this country and that video was "shocking" to you, then you have never had a candid conversation about race with a Black person in this country.

      You write that " guess you could say the real distinction is in the degree of organized violence and hatred that blacks had to suffer vs. the type of discrimination women experienced".

      It is unfortunate that you buried that in the middle - because that is the key point!  

      But as progressive democrats, we should not be about comparing degrees of oppression, I think it is undisputed that Black people in this country have had a "worse" time of things than "white women".  We should be focusing on eliminating obstacles that institutionalized discrimination and racism places in the way of all minorities, in the different forms they appear and I think this is how Obama feels too.

      •  I don't think that is undisputed, (1+ / 0-)

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        actually.  I dispute the whole "worse" thing.  I'm sorry.  Domestic violence still remains hidden and not talked about to nearly the degree that it should be.  These are very different forms of violence, hatred and oppression.  It is pointless to try to identify which is "worse," and I refuse to do it.  

      •  I didn't bury it (0+ / 0-)

        and I think it's important -- but my key point was how Wright simply ignored anyone else's troubles to try to make the point that only Obama understood discrimination.  Believe me, women of Hillary's and my age understand discrimination quite well -- directed at women throughout history, directed at us as we were growing up and as we entered our work lives, and directed at blacks throughout history and right now.  
        But Wright's view of things reminds me of the woman at the Holocaust museum: I pointed out that in addition to Jews, Gypsies and gay men were targeted by the Nazis for extermination -- her answer "Don't talk to me about gay men!" as though it was no big deal what happened to them, or they brought it on themselves, or they were making a fuss out of nothing.  I'm Jewish and I was totally offended by her reaction.  I will refute any statements that claim only one group has suffered from bigotry.  
        If Wright had focussed on what happened to blacks in this country and how Obama had risen despite pervasive racism, that would have been just fine.  But to put down all of Hillary's accomplishments and claim she was privileged and had no understanding of hardship was just unreasonable.
        I've been thoroughly disgusted with the Clinton campaign for weeks now, but his diatribe almost made me sympathetic to her.  I say almost -- because I'm still not.  I think Obama is by far the better choice of candidates, and I don't want the ravings of someone like Wright to hurt his chances.

        If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

        by Tamar on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 01:55:28 PM PDT

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  •  Is Rev. Wright actually working on Obama's (10+ / 0-)

    campaign?

    Or is he simply a vocal supporter?

    Either way, Senator Obama should make it very clear that Rev. Wright does not speak for him.

    "It is through disobedience that progress has been made, through disobedience and through rebellion." Oscar Wilde, 1891

    by MichiganGirl on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:00:50 AM PDT

  •  I think he will sista soulja Wright (6+ / 0-)

    but wants to do it in the general election instead of right now.

    "There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it. Always." -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by duha on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:01:36 AM PDT

    •  God that's aweful n/t (0+ / 0-)

      Give me a f'ing banana - Eddie Izzard

      by linc on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:09:13 AM PDT

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      •  what's awful about it (0+ / 0-)

        "There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it. Always." -- Mahatma Gandhi

        by duha on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:12:14 AM PDT

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        •  That that (0+ / 0-)

          is what our politics requires.  That is aweful.  This shouldn't even be an issue for Obama.

          Give me a f'ing banana - Eddie Izzard

          by linc on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:13:28 AM PDT

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          •  but ferraro, shaheen, rendell etc should be (1+ / 0-)

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            an issue for Clinton???? Are you nuts? Wright is a blatant and REAL racist. and you think it's not a problem but the dust-ups with Clinton supporters are worthy of condemnation?? nuts.

            •  I never said that (1+ / 0-)

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              in fact I am a Clinton supporter.  I intend to take her lead and rise above.  None of this should have been an issue for either campaign.

              Give me a f'ing banana - Eddie Izzard

              by linc on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:43:48 AM PDT

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              •  Plenty of people cautioned Obama about (2+ / 0-)

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                the pitfalls of running on his religion.  Although he has been unfairly forced to publicly declare his support for Jesus, when he started this campaign he decided to engage his supporters on the basis of reaching out to religious values voters.  He spoke often about his 20 years of membership at the same church and how important that experience has been to him.  Now the particulars of what his spiritual leader/crazy old uncle are coming under the microscope. I paid no attention to any of the comments or rumors about his church, but what I saw today was political and will be perceived (rightly or wrongly) as very controversial for a lot of Americans and that catapults the issue into a totally different league as it relates to Obama and his campaign.

              •  sorry. my mistake. i was assuming and shouldn't (0+ / 0-)

          •  Eh, this guy shouldn't be dumb enough... (2+ / 0-)

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            ...to make such inflammatory comments while Obama's f'ing campaigning. What's wrong with him? Does he really think that kind of crap isn't gonna turn Italians off, for example?

            Obama has to deal with the fallout from this, and that's unfortunate. Why can't this guy use his freakin' head?

          •  Wouldn't it be an issue (1+ / 0-)

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            if it was Hillary's pastor?

            •  Rise above fellow Clinton supporter (1+ / 0-)

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              we didn't make an issue out of this stuff to begin with and we should take HRC's lead- time to rise above.  Obama can deal with his own problems, although he shouldn't have to deal with this...

              Give me a f'ing banana - Eddie Izzard

              by linc on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:45:20 AM PDT

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            •  That made me laugh (0+ / 0-)

              It's an issue for anyone's campaign when the preacher gives such a wacky sermon.

              He probably sounds like that every week because that's old black preacher style but the words aren't so nasty in a normal week.

              But the laugh was imaging Hillary sitting in that mostly black church doing call back to this black bellowing minister. Lady's got soul!
              My best friend is a black male who can't stand black churches like his family all goes to because they talk that way and react that way. (The style of preaching, again not the words) I think it's sort of funny. (not the words)

              I can't imagine Obama there much easier than I can see Hillary but if he wants to connect with his black roots he never had I can see why he'd like it. Just like the style my friend dislikes so much for being stereo-typically black church.

              A hew bad sermons does no a demon make but this will be something Obama needs to deal with. Probably first he knew of this one since he was campaigning then.

              Glad the guy retired from preaching last month. Hey, maybe there's a connection. Maybe Obama did hear about it and they talked.

  •  Wright isn't associated with the campaign. (4+ / 0-)

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    And if he keeps talking like this, and using Obama's name, he'll quickly find out just how true that is.

    Barack Obama is many things, and stupid is not one of them.

    Their number is negligible and they are stupid. -- Eisenhower

    by Pegasus on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:02:09 AM PDT

  •  Wright (4+ / 0-)

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    European  white women were legally considered chattel and got the right to vote in the United States only after black Americans did.

    Blacks could not vote until the 1960's without fear of lynchings and other acts of violence.  

    The "who is or was more oppressed" game is not a fun one to play.  There is sexism and there is racism.  We need to work to ameliorate and eliminate both.

    As as all theists reject and denounce the ancient sky god religions, I'll feel much better.

    Workers of the world unite--back by popular demand.

    by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:05:50 AM PDT

    •  as for ABC news (4+ / 0-)

      Last Sunday night ABC World News (I think that is what it called) spent a good 15 minutes giving the wrong delegate totals, the wrong pop vote, and then ghettoized Obama by pointing out that his "favorite tv character" is a gay, black thug on THE WIRE.

      ABC can ghettoize and paint him as a black militant all it likes.  Will it kill his campaign?  Maybe, maybe not.  Along with Clinton's dogwhistling, I'd say 65/35 at this point.

      Yet is ABC also asking why Catholics still listen to the Pope despite the pure garbage about AIDS, HIV, and the role of women in society and the church?

      No, it's not.

      I'll put my tin foil hat on and say that our corporate owners are nervous that people are excited about the process again.  Plus the candidate they failed to buy might win.  In the post-Vietnam literature their ideologues call it, it being all the excitement and participation in the process, "an excess of democracy."  

      Are you realizing yet that we don't really live in a free society?

      Workers of the world unite--back by popular demand.

      by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:10:48 AM PDT

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      •  completely agree about the Catholic thing, but... (1+ / 0-)

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        to me, its not something you can say without offending yet another group. you can only hope that Catholics could recognize that about themselves...

        ...however its my experience that most deeply religious people will not look so sharply inward at their own leaders.  Look at Bill Donahue, ranting about Hagee when he has his own laundry list of offensive statements.

        In the end I hold Obama reponsible for Wright as much as those who would follow Donahue or Hagee.  And even among the most liberal minded Christians I will encounter some deep seated anti-gay rhetoric.

        And I dont fight back with them about what the Bible says about gays. Its crystal clear to me what it says: its against it.

        I dont spin and rewrite, I just come to the conclusion that the Bible is full of shit.

        :/  

        •  many theologians would disagree (1+ / 0-)

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          that the bible is "against" homosexuality.
          There is a thoughtful text called "What the Bible really says about homosexuality" that I beleive is helpful in enilghtening those folks who actually believe the Bible is the word of God.

          ----Gay person who thinks the way to persuade is to find common ground

          poverty,poverty,poverty...the real enemy the democratic party should be fighting

          by Lisactal on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:26:42 AM PDT

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          •  but you should also realize (2+ / 0-)

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            the bible is against many things that people do every day.
            Wearing linen & wool combos was a capital offense.
            How about all the kosher laws?  I'm Jewish and don't abide by them, and boy, does that mean I'm bad!
            Yet, I don't know one Christian fundamentalist who thinks there's any problem with eating pork and shrimp.  Hey, maybe Hagee should realize that it wasn't a planned "outrageous" gay parade that brought Katrina down on New Orleans, it was all that "traif" (non-kosher) shrimp dishes they eat!
            Something I've never been able to get across to the homophobes -- if you say that homosexuality is against the bible and therefore you're against it, you need to change a huge amount of your own behavior to conform to the bible.

            If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

            by Tamar on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:38:31 AM PDT

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            •  Paul's comments (1+ / 0-)

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              on love in Corinthians is a good anti-dote to hate.

              Chapter 2?  I can't recall.  I'm just an atheist who read the Bible a few times.

              Workers of the world unite--back by popular demand.

              by Kab ibn al Ashraf on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:42:12 AM PDT

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              •  Corinthians 13 (0+ / 0-)

                and Christians...since they embrace the New Testament...will cite the old has passed away we are under a new covenant..that is the old law the old testament is not to be taken as law unless Jesus reinterpretated it in the NT.

                But, when convenient Christians still go to the OT, particularly on homosexuality.

                Jesus never mentioned it.

                The oft cited NT reference is written by Paul, iirc in Corinthians as well. If read objectively it is really about idolatry..they gave their passions over to each other and recieved the due punishment of their sins (paraphrased) vs. complete love of God as number one.

                The whole deal is a spin on the original and was really only  "enfocred" in Victorian and post Freudian world.

                poverty,poverty,poverty...the real enemy the democratic party should be fighting

                by Lisactal on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 01:24:33 PM PDT

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    •  I totally agree (2+ / 0-)

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      If you read the 3rd to last paragraph of my diary, you'll see I pretty much said the same thing.  
      I'm angry that Wright was doing the "who is or was more oppressed" thing.  Obama has made his campaign about bringing us together to make thing better for all, and I don't think Wright's comments fit with that in any way.  

      If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

      by Tamar on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:14:45 AM PDT

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  •  How many of these will we be subjected to (5+ / 0-)

    Today?
    I watched the politico video. I didn't agree with some of the things he said, but I didn't find it particularly disturbing.
     I hope after all this silliness we can stop holding candidates responsible for things they have no control over.
    Obama has said repeatedly that he does not agree with Rev. Wright's world view. He has lived his life, and run his campaign in a way that shows he is telling the truth.  So why are we still talking about this?
    I suspect if I were to order the sermons of every pastor in the country I would  find some very disturbing things indeed. Does that mean all of their parishioners should be held responsible? NO

    "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." Sen Daniel Patrick Moynihan

    by atlliberal on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:05:53 AM PDT

    •  but surrogates and associates (1+ / 0-)

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      reflect on the candidate, look at the flak on Ferraro, Johnson, McClurkin and now Wright. It is a tough thing running for office and trying to keep a hold on everyone who wants to speak for you.

      poverty,poverty,poverty...the real enemy the democratic party should be fighting

      by Lisactal on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:28:59 AM PDT

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  •  This Obama supporter says Wright is wrong... (9+ / 0-)

    ...and Obama has to say so in far stronger terms than he has to date -- the "family" dispute thing isn't working.

    McCain: Running for Hoover's 21st term

    by Finck II on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:06:19 AM PDT

  •  I hate this kind of thing (5+ / 0-)

    Obama has obvious affection for the guy, but he's gonna be made to hang him out to dry for saying things that are too hot for the mainstream. Fair nuff, I guess, that's politics. The surprisingly thing is that it took this long for him to become an issue. Christopher Hitchens has been beating this drum for months.

    •  so this guys remarks are 'too hot' (1+ / 0-)

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      for the mainstream?  What did you think about Ferraro's remarks, were they just too hot too?

      Give me a f'ing banana - Eddie Izzard

      by linc on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:12:00 AM PDT

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      •  There's truth (2+ / 0-)

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        in some of what Wright says-- about America's culpability for 9-11, for example, and about the country being run by white rich men.

        Ferraro's remarks were just racist stupidity.

      •  absolutely. (3+ / 0-)

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        Ferarro was awful, and Hillary was rightly criticized for not making strong statements against Ferarro and for not immediately separating her from the campaign.  I completely agreed with Olbermann's comments on this.  Obviously, this Wright video surfaced as a response to Clinton's Ferarro humiliation.
        Nevertheless, Obama needs to respond immediately.  I really liked the comments upthread saying that Obama should repudiate Wright and demand McCain do the same thing.
        Let's bring it on back to the well-known Republican bigotry, folks.

        If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

        by Tamar on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:18:52 AM PDT

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  •  it's right wing talking points (2+ / 0-)

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    The more you talk them up, the more they are pushed into the traditional media.

    Wright doesn't speak for the campaign and I don't find most of what he says as offensive anymore than I find any preacher offensive.  But then again, I'm not Christian and it seriously doesn't matter to me.

    http://www.snopes.com/...

    Better yet, take a look at Monroe Anderson's comments and blogs on this issue.  I think it might help you with this issue.

    http://monroeanderson.typepad.com/...

    http://www.tucc.org/...

    The most important word in the language of the working class is `solidarity.'--Harry Bridges, longshore union leader

    by Bendygirl on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:13:13 AM PDT

  •  Check out my diary (0+ / 0-)

    I just posted a diary on this like two seconds agon, on what I think Obama should do : LINK.

  •  umm...He's not just on his campaign (2+ / 1-)

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    Rev. Wright isn't just on Obama's campaign.  He is in an unpaid role similar to Ferraro in the clinton campaign.  Wright is also obama's spiritual advisor and pastor for the past 2 decades.  He credits Wright for him becoming a Christian.  Wright married obama and michelle.  He baptized his daughters. Obama's book was inspired by Wright's sermons.  How could Obama sit in that pew for the past 20 years and hear that garbage?  Did Obama clap as he sat in the pew when Wright blamed America for 9/11?  HOw disgusting.  I'm sorry, but Obama sitting there listening to this America bashing for the past 20 years should disqualify him from the presidency.

  •  Not only Wright, but hell, (4+ / 0-)

    that Jesus guy said some pretty damn radical things too. That whole attack on the bankers thing would be just horrible for the Amurican economy if people really followed his advice. Certainly he should get the reject, renounce and repudiate treatment (heretofore, "3 Rs") as well.  Not to mention all those damn prophets in the Old Testament, thinking they could call for the overthrow of corrupt rulers.  Who the hell did they think they were anyway? Damn that religion stuff anyway, you'd think it was protected by the constitution or something, the way people think it's so special.

    •  I don't think this is the same thing at all (0+ / 0-)

      Perhaps I was taken aback by Wright's statements more because I know, have directly experienced, the discrimination that women in my age group have haad to deal with and Wright ignores that completely -- claiming that Hillary had all the privileges that a wealthy white male of her generation had.  Not so.
      I have no problem with Wright making statements about the black experience in this country and how difficult it has been for someone like Obama to rise to the levels he's achieved.  That's simply fact.
      It's the other stuff he was railing about that bothers me.  But what disturbed me the most was the way he kept using Obama's name.  Obama should be absolutely furious with him for this.  Wright makes it sound as if Obama endorses those views.

      If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

      by Tamar on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:26:19 AM PDT

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  •  Obama said (0+ / 0-)

    Obama himself said Wright is his spiritual advisor

  •  The Republicans (1+ / 0-)

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    The Republicans are gonna make the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth ads look like public service announcements if Obama is the nominee.  This guy Wright will sink his campaign.  You really wanna put Obama as our leader of the Democratic Party when he associates with people like this?  

  •  what is it? (0+ / 0-)

    Let's see who can be more racist and sexist? What is this guy trying to do? SHUT UP ABOUT RACE/GENDER!

  •  Do you agree with your pastor every week? (2+ / 0-)

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    For some people, it would mean selling all their belongings and going to work for their church.

    Most of us are looking for justice in this world. In reality, there isn't so much to be found.

    I heard a minister preach about how, in the future, our country(America) will be ashamed of how we have treated the gay population. Still not much outrage about how so many Americans are left out of the American Dream.

    What is with this knee jerk reaction to everyone who says something provocitive?

    There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it. ~Author Unknown

    by VA Breeze on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:21:45 AM PDT

  •  I agree Wright is a problem, he is unstable (2+ / 0-)

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    and the words he uses border on insane just like the radical right-wing Preachers.  I want Senator Obama to address this with Wright, have him issue a statement and remove him from his campaign.  He is NOT the Pastor of the Church anymore so he doesn't have to leave the Church, but if he were I would suggest that too.  

    As soon as I stop worrying, worrying how the story ends, I let go and I let God, let God have His way. "It's the soldier, not.."

    by Lady Bird Johnson on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:25:15 AM PDT

  •  Can you Imagine if Hillary.. (5+ / 0-)

    Can you Imagine if Hillary Clinton attended a church for the past 20 years that had Jerry Falwell as pastor?  Jesus Christ!!  the media would have killed her.  This guy Wright sounds just as bad.  

    •  She sure wouldn't run as a Dem (1+ / 0-)

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      markc - go take your "outrage" elsewhere

      There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it. ~Author Unknown

      by VA Breeze on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:36:39 AM PDT

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    •  Wright's nowhere near as bad as Falwell. (1+ / 0-)

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      Keep some perspective, for godsakes.

      "The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them." Orwell

      by NotablyZen on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:51:48 AM PDT

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      •  not as bad as Falwell, but still not good (0+ / 0-)

        The problem here is that the people who vote for the Republicans have no trouble with Falwell-type views, but many rank&file Dems will have trouble with Wright's views.
        Obama can't afford to be associated with him.  That sermon is going to scare off lots of voters and the Republicans will pull out the most inflammatory parts and play them over and over again.
        Obama really needs distance himself from this guy.  

        If, in our efforts to win, we become as dishonest as our opponents on the right, we don't deserve to triumph.

        by Tamar on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:59:23 AM PDT

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  •  by comparison (2+ / 0-)

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    In comparison..can you imagine Colin Powell attending a church like this?  No way in hell.  Powell has too much dignity and self respect and love of his country to sit there and listen to crap like this for 20 years.  Obama is not the person he says he is.  

  •  These comments make me wish Edwards was still (0+ / 0-)

    in the race so might try to talk about issues such as people losing their homes and not having jobs, healthcare, etc.

    We sure have gotten off-course lately - maybe that is what McCain(McSame) wishes?

    There is just as much horse sense as ever, but the horses have most of it. ~Author Unknown

    by VA Breeze on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:33:18 AM PDT

  •  Hate speech (1+ / 1-)

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    Barack Obama's self-proclaimed "spiritual advisor" and "moral compass," the Rev. Jermiah Wright says that Obama deserves to be President, and Hillary does not, because "Hillary Clinton ain't never been called a nigger."  Why does Obama hang around people like this?

  •  Is Wright Part of the Obama Campaign? (0+ / 0-)

    If so, Wright should be booted yesterday.  If not, Obama should denounce what Wright said.

    This aggression will not stand, man.

    by kaleidescope on Thu Mar 13, 2008 at 11:38:19 AM PDT

  •  yes, he's part of the campaign (0+ / 0-)

    He is part of obama's campaign.  an unpaid advisor.