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Frugal Fridays: Brick and Mortar Shopping

Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 11:12:29 AM PDT

Welcome to Frugal Fridays where we share money saving tips, discuss living frugally and generally talk about personal finance issues.   In the past, I've talked a lot about internet shopping, which makes sense, since you are obviously internet savy people, or you wouldn't be reading this.  But what about the kind of shopping you do most of the time?  The kind where you walk into a store, pick something off a shelf and plunk down cold hard cash (or even harder plastic)?  This week I want to mention some of my favorite places to shop and since this is one of those weeks where I will have to post and run, I hope that you all can pick up where I leave off and offer your own suggestions for your favorite places to shop locally.

I don't know about the rest of you, but I am a comparison shopper.  I am usually constitutionally incapable of walking into a store and buying something, no matter how small, without first checking at least a couple other places to make sure that I am getting a good price and good quality.  I'm not necessarily interested in the lowest price, because paying more for an item that will last can be more frugal in the long run, but I want to make sure that the price I'm paying will be reasonable.  

Besides price and quality, there are other considerations I try to take into account when I shop.  I try to patronize businesses that are good to their employees, the environment and to the local community.  However, there are no absolutes and I refuse to draw strict lines such as "no big box stores" or "no non-union suppliers".   Small locally owned businesses are not always better for the local community or for the employees than big corporations.  Union shops are not always better places to work than non-union shops.  Most importantly, in the end, I need to do what's best for me and my family and I can't sacrifice our well-being on the altar of political correctness.

Now all this comparison shopping takes time and energy, but over the years, I have found that there are some stores that I have grown to know and trust.  I know that if I walk in and see something new, something I have never compared at other retailers, I can feel pretty confident that the quality will be decent and the price fair and I don't need to check anywhere else before I buy.  Of course if we are talking about a big ticket item I will still check other places, but for everyday stuff, I can feel pretty confident shopping at the following places.

Costco
Costco is my hands down favorite place to shop.  Most people immediately think of their food selection whenever Costco is mentioned, but that's less than half of what they carry.  I don't buy much in their food section, since I don't need the quantities they package, but I do really like them for other stuff.  Their selection is limited, so they don't always carry what I want, but they are the first place I check when looking for anything from office supplies to live plants.  I feel perfectly confident about buying it there with no further comparison.   I have always been satisfied with the quality of their store brand, Kirkland, when buying anything from luggage to toilet paper.  

The other nice thing about Costco is that it is one big conglomerate that I can feel good about shopping in.  I know they treat their employees well, both in wages and benefits and I have seen them try to benefit the communities where they are located.

Ikea
A lot of people complain that Ikea furniture is low quality, but that's not completely true.  They do carry some very low end stuff, but they have a good selection of mid-range pieces as well, furniture that is made from solid wood, not veneer over pressboard.  You are not going to find heirloom quality pieces here, things that you could hand down for generations, but you will find decent quality at really good prices.  Let's face it, your kids are probably not going to want your furniture anyhow and you may not even want it 20 years from now.  

As for their upholstered furniture (couches, chairs, etc.) I don't have personal experience with those items myself, but one thing I do really like is that it was designed to fit into European apartments which have much smaller rooms than modern American homes. As one who lives in an older house with smaller rooms, I find most American furniture is just too big for the space I have.  

Ikea also carries a wide variety of textiles, kitchen ware, and other home items.  Again the quality ranges from low to mid-range, and is priced accordingly, but for the most part I've been really pleased with their quality and find even the low end stuff acceptable in many cases.  I just want to add that their storage solutions are really innovative as well and I love wandering around getting new ideas.

Trader Joe's
This grocery chain started in California, but it is spreading across the country.  Again, their selection is somewhat limited; you are not going to find all the items you would in a supermarket, but their emphasis is on organic, healthy and natural items.  Their prices are a bit higher than a standard supermarket, but the quality is significantly better and I have no qualms about trying something new from them if i see something that catches my eye.

They tend to have a very good selection of wine and beer.  Their own wine label, Charles Shaw, sells for $2 a bottle in California. (I think it is $3 a bottle in some other states).  It's not a bad wine to start with, if you are not a big wine connoisseur.  It's so popular out here it's known by its nickname "two buck Chuck".

Lowe's and Home Depot
I'm lumping these together, because they are quite similar.  I have a preference for Lowe's. I think their customer service and corporate culture is a bit better, but if I didn't have a Lowe's nearby, I would feel confident shopping at Home Depot.  When buying anything expensive, such as an appliance or power tools, I would still comparison shop, but for general home improvement items, I'm happy with their prices and quality.

Wal-Mart Pharmacy  
Let me start by saying I hate Wal-Mart!  I think they treat their customers badly, their employees badly and their suppliers badly.  I have sworn to never shop there, and for now, I still don't.  But the fact is that my principles have a price and if you try hard enough, I can be bought.  I was talking last night to someone who used to pay over $60 a month for a regular prescription and now she pays $4 at Wal-Mart.  That's about a 95% discount.  Fortunately, I'm not in her situation where I need to take regular medication, but if I were, you can be certain I would be standing in line behind her at Wal-Mart, after I checked the pricing at Costco.

Frugal Tip of the Week:  If you have a gift card for Sharper Image, you had best go redeem it right away, before it becomes useless.   It seems that the company is undergoing reorganization under bankruptcy and earlier this month suspended acceptance of gift cards entirely.  They are currently accepted in the stores or by phone order, but not on-line.  This company may recover, but it could also be circling the drain, and you don't want them to take your cash with you if they dissolve.   If you have any old gift cards lying around, for this store or any other, you may want to make a point to redeem them soon, because this could happen again to other retailers.

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  •  Tip Jar (35+ / 0-)

    As I said, I have to run out now, but please add your favorite stores in the comments.

    If you are interested in writing a diary for this series, or you have a topic you'd like to see covered, or if you want to be added to the mailing list for announcing these diaries, email me: frugalfridays (at) gmail.com.

    Frugal Fridays, where the cheap come to chat.

    by sarahnity on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 11:14:37 AM PDT

  •  Comparison shopper here, too... (8+ / 0-)

    makes my shopping take  MUCH longer... but I am usually happy with the results. The people shopping with me on the other hand...  :-) I must have more stamina than they do!

    Our country can survive war, disease, and poverty... what it cannot do without is justice.

    by mommyof3 on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 11:19:49 AM PDT

  •  There's a new grocery store chain (6+ / 0-)

    in California, Arizona and Nevada called fresh&easy.
    (They are owned by the British store Tesco.)  

    I love 'em, especially for the prepared meals that I can pick up on my way home from work and quickly heat and serve.  They are, ummm.... fresh and easy.  And tasty.  
    And inexpensive.

    I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library. --Jorge Luis Borges

    by Marlyn on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 11:22:38 AM PDT

  •  Home Depot and Lowes clerks know next to nothing (9+ / 0-)

    about appliances.

    •  I had a bad Home Depot experience (7+ / 0-)

      trying to shop for carpet.  Long waits for staff, different stories from different staffers, finally got told that they wouldn't serve us at all (because the carpet we were trying to replace had covered up some tile that we couldn't guarantee was asbestos-free, even though nobody was asking them to pull it up...)

      Hrrmf.  

      "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." -- Dr. Seuss

      by AnnieJo on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 11:37:15 AM PDT

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      •  If you want the good advice (5+ / 0-)

        find a store with old guys and gals.  That goes for all manner of hard and soft goods.  They know the products they sell inside and out.  One can't blame the guy on the forklift for not knowing that parts won't be available for your Consumer Reports number one rated LG steam washer in five years, they don't have the years of experience or the training.  
          When you buy locally, your money circulates through the community and supports local charities.  As opposed to going back to Atlanta or Chicago into some overpaid CEO's golden parachute.  Sears and Circuit City, to name but two, are in a world of hurt right now, because they don't have the kind of staff they used to have, and they are losing market share.  I would be surprised to see Sears still in business in five years at the rate they are going.

      •  Similar experience with tile (5+ / 0-)

        We asked about installation around a radiator, and the guy told us to build a little wooden frame around the radiator and just leave the old tile there - which was not even an option because we were replacing badly water damaged vinyl tiles with porcelain tiles.

        They always say time changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself. - Andy Warhol

        by 1864 House on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 02:01:32 PM PDT

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      •  I agree. We buy local. (2+ / 0-)

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        Even if it costs 20% more, we buy from the local store (washer/dryer, freezer, etc.).  Most local stores throw in free delivery and installation.  They honor their guarantees better, and maintenance/repairs aren't subcontracted out.

        We've also had good luck with asking local stores to price match everyday prices at Home Depot or Sears.

  •  I &hearts Trader Joe's (6+ / 0-)

    We just have stoooopid alcohol rules in MD, so the one nearest to me doesn't sell wine and beer. I have to go to DC or VA for that. (sigh)

  •  My favorite brick-and-mortar store right now... (8+ / 0-)

    is a Savers resale shop.

    When it comes to secondhand stuff, I'd much rather browse and actually be able to touch stuff, check it out directly.

    I guess the value in online resale like Ebay is to be able to search for anything specific you want, but I've gotten more and more attracted to the serendipity of the secondhand approach at brick-and-mortar stores.

    Where I often get stung is going to regular retail brick-and-mortar places expecting to find something very specific, and then getting all frustrated when I can't find it...

    When it comes to comparison shopping, I like to do a thorough job but often just don't have the time to do it.

    "Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, nothing is going to get better. It's not." -- Dr. Seuss

    by AnnieJo on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 11:33:04 AM PDT

    •  Savers (5+ / 0-)

      I visited a pal in Minneapolis a few months ago and he swears by Savers.  I have to admit I've lost my patience for resale places and thrift shops, but he and his local friends have found some pretty nice pieces of mid-century furniture (a collective aesthetic fondness we share) for next to nothing.

      He bought I couple of shirts there on our visit I wouldn't be caught dead in, though. :)

  •  Funny story (6+ / 0-)

    I was getting ready to buy an air conditioning for a used airco I bought off craigslist, and I called Home Depot to make sure they carried filters, since my airco was pretty old and I wasn't sure filters would be in sufficient demand to be carried.

    So, I call and ask, and the guy who picks up the phone tells me, "I don't know if we have them.  They're all the way at the other end of the store.  Do you want me to check?"

    "No, no," I replied, "I'll just drive the five miles and check for myself."  And then I went to Lowes while swearing a silent oath I would never set foot into Home Depot again.

    And now, a word or five hundred about a personal favorite ipsy-dipsy of mine:

    Groceries and shopping for them!

    I live in a fortunate town that has a Stop-n-Shop, Trader Joe's and Whole Foods within 200 yards of one another.  I check Joe's first, shopping list in hand, and have found that I can tick off 70-80% of my list there.  It seems like it is catch as catch can, but they do a pretty good job of maximizing space.  And they have things nobody else carries.  Their frozen food aisle is the most fun one you'll ever peruse, hands down.

    Whole Foods has really good carrots - big mofoes, and I like a brand of shampoo they carry.  Once in a while, when I'm skeeved by some story about meatpacking horrors, I'll splurge at their meat counter.  Oh, and I always cruise by the cheese counter where there are 500 free calories in samples waiting there for me!

    Stop-n-Shop is king.  Best big supermarket in America.  They've got a whole aisle for international foods (Swampscott has a lot of Russian immigrants, so part of the equation is local), and a great Italian foods aisle with imports at pretty competitive prices....sometimes the imported pasta is the cheapest on the aisle.

    I've got to stop myself.  I love talking about grocery shopping.  My biggest advice about grocery shopping is eat before you go, and make a list.  Don't shop willy-nilly for food or you'll end up with some crap in your cart.

    Oh, another GREAT advance in grocery shopping:  Those little handheld scanners that let you scan your purchases as you put them in your cart so that checkout is just a matter of paying the tab.  If your supermarket has these, learn to use them. Not only is this potentially a time saver, but it's a fantastic way to stay on budget, as you get to see your cumulative total as you shop.  Since I have a target price to spend in mind for my weekly shopping excursions, it is a great help to see how close I'm getting to my budget for the trip, reassess purchases that aren't crucial to my upcoming menus and avoid impulse purchases altogether.

    Whew!  I'm spent!

  •  Costco & Trader Joe's are awesome! (7+ / 0-)

    I just stocked up on soy milk at Costco last night (waaaaay cheaper than anywhere else). And is great to know that they have solidly pro-worker corporate policies and that their top executives are loyal Democrats.

    Alas, we don't have a Trader Joe's in my state. But I always make it a point to go to Trader Joe's whenever I visit California or Nevada.

    Thanks for this diary!

    A liberal is a conservative who's been hugged.

    by raatz on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 11:38:36 AM PDT

    •  I love Costco (5+ / 0-)

      but do not have one anywhere near me. We stock up on some things when we visit the kids in Chicago; we also split some items between our three households.

      They always say time changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself. - Andy Warhol

      by 1864 House on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 02:03:06 PM PDT

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      •  costco, sigh (2+ / 0-)

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        about food selection at Costco...  we have a membership and buy there about once every 3-4 weeks.  

        their food selection is ... odd!  they have huge, and giant-sized, amounts of a VERY small variety of items.  

        in many many cases, they do not carry the brand I buy, so their savings on other things are irrelevant.  it's REALLY frustrating to not be able to buy the things I would like to, because the brands I want/need are not the ones they carry.  (specific example:  I would LOVE to be able to buy "my" canned tuna variety.  It's the one I grew up with and all others I've tried just ... don't taste right.  It's one of the big 3 tuna brands, but not the one Costco carries.)

        also, their selection is highly inconsistent.  maybe that's just the nature of warehouse stores.  but never knowing if what you bought 2 weeks ago is still going to be in stock is another frustration.

        altogether, we feel like we get our membership money's-worth, and are happy to support a virtuous corporate culture, but it can also be very(!) annoying!

        •  I understand (0+ / 0-)

          It is not a place you could do weekly grocery shopping. As I mentioned, we frequently split things between our and two daughters' households. It would not make sense for us to shop there very often for two people.

          Hoever, as far as produce selection, the one we go to in Chicago (on Damen or Ashland.. I forget) has a very good variety of fruits and veggies. It's the only one I've ever been to, so I don't have a sense if they are all the same or vary dramatically.  

          They always say time changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself. - Andy Warhol

          by 1864 House on Sun Mar 16, 2008 at 12:06:59 PM PDT

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    •  My daughter brought me a TJ "care package" (4+ / 0-)

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      from CA at Christmas.  Unfortunately I've blown through most of the stuff (I was soooooo deprived/depraved?) and need another shipment already.

      Whose bread I eat, his song I sing.

      by Hanging Up My Tusks on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 03:25:01 PM PDT

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  •  One area for web shopping however is in books. (9+ / 0-)

    No need to go to Borders or B&N.  Half.com will get you virtually any book at super prices--including very new releases.  Many people buy the latest top seller; read it, and sell it quickly.  Much to be saved there.

  •  Andrew Tobias wrote a book years ago about (7+ / 0-)

    investing

    One of his points on saving money was when you see a truly great special-- buy a dozen or more.

    Don't be shy.   Obviously, certain food items don't qualify, but most other things do.  Take an item like laundry detergent-if you find your brand at an unheard of price, buy several.  it doesn't go to waste; and the price will go up considerably by the time you run out.

  •  farmers market, Job Lot (7+ / 0-)

    My two favorites:

    1. the new-this-year indoor winter farmers' market in downtown Providence, and regular farmers' markets in the summer and fall. Every dollar stays in the local community, and besides fresh food tastes delicious.
    1. Ocean State Job Lot, an ecclectic and rotating mix of household items, clothing, and food. Some of it is trashier than Wal-Mart. Some is name-brand stuff at fire-sale prices. A lot of the food is imported from southern and eastern Europe, not great for localvores but on the other hand the extra-virgin olive oil is $5.49/litre compared with triple that in the grocery stores. Great prices on tea, raisins, nuts, crackers, peanut butter, other staples.
    1. Whole Foods Market can be OK, if you are VERY selective. Bulk rice and sunflower seeds are cheaper than supermarket, for example. Fruits and vegetables are much more. Trader Jo's? The ones I've been to seem way pricier than I'm willing to pay.
  •  Re furniture (8+ / 0-)

    you often can get a better deal, on better furniture, by buying vintage or antique furniture.

    When we were looking for a couple of dressers when Da Boys were small, we were shocked at how high the prices were for new, crappily-made, furniture with lots of pressboard in it's construction.

    We went down to Denver's "antique row" (South Broadway) and browsed through a few stores.  Came up with a nice, real wood, 1930's vintage dresser for, IIRC, less than $100.

    The time for action is past. Now is the time for senseless bickering -- My T-Shirt

    by Frankenoid on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 12:19:07 PM PDT

  •  I made a price book (7+ / 0-)

    for myself, with a list of items that I buy most frequently, and the prices for the same items at various stores. I got this idea from "The Tightwad Gazette" book.

    So, we use lots of canned tomatoes in the winter, for example. I prefer to buy organic tomatoes but WOW those can be expensive and it adds up when we use several cans a week. Now I have a list of org. canned tomato prices, for each of the stores I shop at. So I know where to buy them for the best price, and if there's a sale I can see exactly whether it's a good deal or not.

    I don't know, maybe other people can remember prices but for me this is very, very helpful. It's a more realistic way to shop. One thing I discovered is that a very nice, new health food store here that looks expensive (nicely decorated, neat, fancy atmosphere, high end items) actually has the best prices in town for some basic items I buy. I never would have noticed this without doing my price book! I would have just assumed that things were pricier there.

    [-5.50, -8.05] and in good company. FreeRice level: 50 (good guesser)

    by sillia on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 12:23:34 PM PDT

  •  Just to point out.... (7+ / 0-)

    If you're going from store to store to compare items and prices for what is a $5 savings, you're likely eating the savings in the amount of gas you use to go from place to place.  Try to do research on-line if possible, as many stores have their ads there now.

    I search the web for prices before hitting the store.  One thing that I've notices with B&N is that their prices on-line don't always match what is in the store.  It's quite often cheaper on-line.

  •  Costco pharmacy-- (5+ / 0-)

    I haven't price-compared with Walmart's just because I can't bear to shop at Walmart when I know they treat their employees so horribly and are so ruthless about running running local stores out of business. Anyway I have compared Costco pharmacy with other non-Walmart pharmacies, and its prices are great. (I pay out of pocket for prescriptions because of my lousy so-called health insurance.) I love Costco in general too.

    I like most of the other places you mentioned. I do shop at the big hardware stores, but I can't help feeling bad shopping there, knowing of specific local hardware stores that have gone out of business because they couldn't compete with the big guys.

    I like to check out thrift stores too, but I usually don't rely on them when shopping for something specific.

  •  Comparing more than price (5+ / 0-)

    Besides price and quality, there are other considerations I try to take into account when I shop.  I try to patronize businesses that are good to their employees, the environment and to the local community.

    This is a factor in most of my comparison shopping. I've been known to say organic food is more expensive at the cash register, but all the costs are fully loaded - i.e.: There are no hidden costs to the environment or the health of the workers. That said, I still like to get a good deal.

    Our locally owned appliance store will match big box pricing, and they have delivery and repair service seven days a week. My food coop has the best produce and the best prices on produce.

    One other benefit of comparison shopping is that it gives you time to ask yourself, "Do I really need this?"

    They always say time changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself. - Andy Warhol

    by 1864 House on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 01:42:14 PM PDT

    •  Thanks for mentioning hidden costs (4+ / 0-)

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      Price is definitely not everything.

      There are many potential hidden costs.

      Here's one example -

      I know several public-sector union employees who not only shop at Wal-Mart but actively promote it. Meanwhile, a percentage of every dollar spent at Wal-Mart is used to fight against the public sector and against unions.

      It's not about altruism; it's about enlightened self-interest.

      A liberal is a conservative who's been hugged.

      by raatz on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 03:43:52 PM PDT

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  •  shopping for an Easter dress (3+ / 0-)

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    this weekend. And yes, I am going to hit the discount store & re-sale stores. But it is so hard to find an Easter dress, that if I find one, I'm buying it. I won't be trying on expensive ones (anything over $50), but won't really "comparison shop", either.

  •  When I lived in L.A. I used to go quite often to (2+ / 0-)

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    Trader Joe's cause I discovered a wine from Australia that I knew well, sold for 2 bucks! In OZ I used to pay at least double for the very same. So one day I ask the front guy the obvious question: how do you do it? He asked me how many times did I buy it, I answered by the dozens, then he said, what else do you buy? I said quite a bit now. He said, that's your answer, we lured you in and now you're a customer, enjoy. Point taken.

  •  I hate shopping for anything but books (1+ / 0-)

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    so, I usually just go to some place close to me and get  what I need.  

    For expensive stuff, I'll often check prices on the internet.

  •  Trader Joes (1+ / 0-)

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    sarahnity

    my wife buys a lot of stuff there, seems like good quality at good prices

    I like that they are phasing out imports from China.  Nothing needs to travel 6000 miles to get to me.  That's besides the low quality, crappy work conditions, and terrible regulations in China

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