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McCain's Campaign Manager essentially says the brouhaha over Obama's Pastor is no big deal.

McCain's Campaign Manager, Charlie Black, was just on Morning Joe. They just played a clip of Obama's Pastor's comments about 9/11 for him, and they asked if John McCain is concerned that that man is Barack Obama's spirtual adviser.

He responded by saying:

Charlie Black: What Sen. McCain has said repeatedly, is that these candidates cannot be held accountable for all the views of people who endorse them, or people who befriend them. And fortunately, I heard you report earlier that Sen. Obama has repudiated these very unusual views. But what John McCain believes is that Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton should be held accountable for their public policy views. The things we've described before. Big government vs. small government...

Joe: So this isn't an issue for John McCain.

Charlie Black: I don't think Sen. McCain wants to get in the middle of a discussion about Sen. Obama's former pastor, or his faith. He believes that people who endorse you, people who befriend you, are entitled to their own views, but you are not personally held accountable. That when someone endorses you or befriends you, they are embracing your views - the candidate's views - not the other way around.

Sounded so reasonable that I would've thought it was coming from the Obama camp, not from the McCain camp.

This says to me that McCain's camp knows that their ties are even more troublesome than Obama's ties. I was worried about this situation, but this conversation has put me at ease.

Does this make any of you all feel any better too?

Originally posted to LizzyPop on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 05:04 AM PDT.

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  •  tips/recs (17+ / 0-)

    Does this make anyone else feel any better about all this?

    Obama can handle anything. No one should be feeling negative.

    •  McCain himself said as mauch on Hannity (2+ / 0-)
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      Geenius at Wrok, serrano

      So far Hillary has not weighed in on pastor Wright as far as I know, but I'm not hopeful.

      McCain vs. Obama could turn out to  be the first decent presidential campaign we have seen in years - well aside from the third party swiftboating that will inevitably happen.

      I have already been sent a photoshopped Obama photo making him look like Osama. I am still debating whether or not to share it with the Kos community. Probably not though. I thinked I would be TR'd back to the stone age. This photo will be making the rounds soon enough anyway.

      •  It's the Hagee Problem!!! (1+ / 0-)
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        sumo

        Neither Charlie Black, cunning Operator that he is (on the same show he slyly slipped in a typical Repug Al Qaeda faux talking point) nor McCain have sprouted halos.  

        They are thrilled that Donahue's reaction to Hagee and his comments ('Catholic Church= Great Whore, etc.)scrolled off the MSM as quickly as it did, and are scared like Hell it will be coming back to haunt and bedevil them.....BOO!!!

      •  Clinton won't push the Wright story either (0+ / 0-)

        she was able to secure endorsements from a large number of African-American preachers in this election and I am sure a few (if not more) of them have their own You Tube moments out there.  She can't really throw them under the bus, so she can't push the story.  My guess is that it dies down relatively soon---and now that it has been raised, hopefully it won't be considered news in the fall.

    •  Yes, the very second (2+ / 0-)
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      txdemfem, LizzyPop
      I started hearing media blowhards and, primarily, anxious progressives and hysterical Hillary fans, promoting this angle, I knew it was nothing, given McCain's pursuit of endorsments by the like of John Hagee ("The Catholic church is the Great Whore, "Jewish brought the holocause on themselves by disobeying god") and Rod Parsley ("Islam is a demon religion responsible for most of the violence in the world," "The constitution needs to be replaced by Boblical law.") McCain believes he needs the evangelical crazies to energize the Bush base. He is in no position to attack Obama for anything his pastor may have said.

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

      by anastasia p on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 05:46:09 AM PDT

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    •  McCain has more class than Hillary (2+ / 0-)
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      LizzyPop, krnewman

      and he is showing more respect. The Clinton campaign is a disgrace.

      We all have someone we know, a relative or friend who we love, but totally disagree with on so many issues. That does not make them all bad. In fact many of them have other great qualities, but their racism or ignorance can make them intolerable at times.

    •  It actually kind of scares me (0+ / 0-)

      It's so... reasonable. Like you said, it almost sounds like it could have come from the Obama campaign.

      Did the Republicans actually nominate a candidate who is going to stick to the high road? If true, that means we could end up with a presidential race where both candidates stay classy.

      I know I should be excited about this, but something deep inside tells me that the other shoe is going to drop any day now.

      (-5.88, -6.46) Democracy is what happens between elections.

      by autoegocrat on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 07:21:39 AM PDT

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  •  Good advice, from the McCain camp no less (4+ / 0-)
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    RantNRaven, LizzyPop, KyleDS, Muzikal203

    who da thunk.

    •  Also, this stuff was said in 2001! (0+ / 0-)

      The media is pushing this out like Pastor Wright said it YESTERDAY!

      I hope Barack stands his ground and doesn't terminate Rev. Wright, because a lot of what he was saying is VALID. There are serious issues that people outside of certain communities don't have to deal with. I bet we can go to some other churches and hear things that are WORSE than what Rev. Wright said.

      If you do not tell the truth about yourself you cannot tell it about other people. ~Virginia Woolf

      by Muzikal203 on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 05:17:35 AM PDT

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      •  Interesting.... (0+ / 0-)

        McCain is going to out Obama Obama- when they bring up all his past problems with his wife's use of drugs.  Will we respect that request here?  I doubt it.  Will it matter to RedState McCain said this?  No.  But it will make McCain look nice to many voters- a gentleman and a war hero.  Very very interesting.

        You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

        by murrayewv on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 05:29:21 AM PDT

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      •  No, One Powerful Clip is 12/07 (0+ / 0-)

        and talks about Barack and Hillary.  Gotta admit--some of this is pretty inflammatory, and will be scary to Middle America.

        •  Yeah, I just heard that one on the radio (0+ / 0-)

          but the one they showed on the Today show this morning was from 2001.

          I think he pointed out real differences between Barack and Hillary, I found myself agreeing with them. I think someone who has actually LIVED a situation and survived/thrived is in a better position to help others currently in that situation than someone who "fought" for the people in the situation without being in it. That's not to say that she hasn't done anything good for "middle America".

          If you do not tell the truth about yourself you cannot tell it about other people. ~Virginia Woolf

          by Muzikal203 on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 06:16:45 AM PDT

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      •  Does anyone remember what Jerry Fallwell and (1+ / 0-)
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        LizzyPop

        Pat Robertson said after 9/11, I did not see republicans distance themselves from them. In fact, they were embraced.

    •  This line would totally work if (0+ / 0-)

      McCain had any interest whatsoever in smaller government.

      Cut earmarks and veto SCHIP! Pay no attention to the worldwide network of behemoth bases and secret prisons, the gargantuan rows of machinery spying on you, the flipping great wodges of cash flowing into the coffers of arms dealers!

      I'm gonna cut like 10% of the budget by half! (Oh yeah, and I'm doubling the other 65% or so and giving it all kind of unprecedented power, but that part doesn't count.)

      Beaodhrach Haoisean O'Barmagh: Lucky to Be Irish since 1961.

      by slaney black on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 05:36:37 AM PDT

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  •  I am not bothered by all of this. (5+ / 0-)

    Much was said about the McClurkin crap and the campaign did not handle it well.  How many pastors or ministers have said over the top crap?  Yes, even Jesse Jackson?  That minister who has said all kind of crap who endorsed McCain?  In the end, this is under the bus.  Because if Obama is the nominee, don't you think that McCain's minister's sermons won't be on TV?  Yes, it will.

    This is being leaked by the Clintons, who are playing identity politics, to scare the shit out of people from voting for Barack Obama.

    If anyone can not see this, then you don't want to.

    •  I'm still bothered though (0+ / 0-)

      those comments by Wright were very offensive to me.

      What's madness but nobility of the soul at odds with circumstance?

      by slinkerwink on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 05:10:48 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, slinkerwink, they are truly offensive, nt. (0+ / 0-)
      •  why be bothered? (2+ / 0-)
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        txdemfem, hannahlk

        Really!

        He was telling the truth. This society is run by rich white men. Can you deny that? Unless you're a rich white man, he wasn't talking about you.

        And it was not a message of hate. He went out of his way to reject hatred. He spoke of love, loving your enemies even.

        A good deal of the supposed reason why the democratic party exists is to mitigate the power of the rich white men who control the corporations which in turn exert undue influence on our government, though they haven't done a very good job of controlling that influence these past 30 years.

        So...I'm not particularly excited about this. And McCain is right to begin with, guilt by association is a non-starter.

        •  it's the other comments that concern me (1+ / 0-)
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          serrano

          especially the comments where Wright says, "Goddamn America!" and the one about America causing 9/11, and how the government created HIV to hurt black people. Those comments are not defensible, and rightly offensive.

          What's madness but nobility of the soul at odds with circumstance?

          by slinkerwink on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 05:56:13 AM PDT

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          •  hmmmm (0+ / 0-)

            It sounds like he was talking to Spike Lee. But all those good republicans still pay to go to Spike lee's movies.

          •  There have been a few times I've (0+ / 0-)

            felt that way about America. When we decided to invade Iraq was one. What he was saying about 9/11 is also true. Our meddling policies in the Middle East and the rest of the world fomented this kind of radicalism. Especially, as far as Bin Laden, our establishing military bases in Saudi Arabia. We backed Iraq in the Iran-Iraq war because of the Iran hostage situation, but gave Iran weapons to fight the war to get those hostages back. We have hardly been a benevolent force for good in these countries. I love my country, but I don't endorse a lot of our foreign policy. Not sighing the Mine Ban treaty, our opposition to the Kyota Accord, the way we've handled North Korea, ignoring genocide in Rwanda and Cambodia, etc.

            The AIDS thing is a conspiracy theory, but I understand it out of the black community. Tuskogee ring any bells? What is true is that when AIDS was discovered during the Reagan administration, Reagan decided  not to pour the government's resources into preventing its spread because it was a "gay" disease. Who knows how many lives, black or white, might have been saved if we'd been more aggressive about isolating its spread.

            I always enjoy your diaries, slinkerwink, and while I'm not acting as an apologist for Wright, there is much to criticize about this government's actions. As a white woman, I think the black community certainly has more to criticize than I do and sometimes this country's actions have made me heartsore.

      •  I'm way more bothered (2+ / 0-)
        by the hatred of Jews, Catholic and Muslims shown by McCain campaign supporters John Hagee and Rod Parlsey and the contention of the latter that our govenrment should basically be overthrown and replaced by "Christian" government.

        We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

        by anastasia p on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 05:48:30 AM PDT

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    •  You are assuming the media... (2+ / 0-)
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      jdmorg, Muzikal203

      ..will treat Obama and McCain the same.  They won't.

    •  It makes as much sense to me (2+ / 0-)
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      txdemfem, LizzyPop

      as blaming a Catholic in a Mass. congregation for the crimes of the parish's pedophile priest.  Really, it's the same illogic and no one would ever think to do that, so why do it with something a pastor said to his congregation if Barack just happens to be a member of the congregation?

      Or am I missing something key from the international press?

      "I never considered a difference of opinion in politics, in religion, in philosophy, as cause for withdrawing from a friend." - Thomas Jefferson

      by Jeffersonian Democrat on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 05:24:09 AM PDT

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  •  makes me feel better (1+ / 0-)
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    sandbox

    but just because McCain won't do it directly doesnt mean it won't be very damaging because fox news, etc. will make it a huge issue.

    "There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it. Always." -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by duha on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 05:12:27 AM PDT

  •  McCain has his own crackpot pastors... (1+ / 0-)
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    LizzyPop

    ...like fat-assed Catholic-hater and homophobe John Hagee -- in other words, McCain HAS to say this or it would be easy for the Obama people to attack him on the same grounds.

    I will vote for whoever or whatever the Democrats nominate -- animal, vegetable or mineral.

    by Finck II on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 05:13:45 AM PDT

  •  Then, McCain should send that email... (1+ / 0-)
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    LizzyPop

    out to all his Repug media hosts with their talking points today and maybe this thing could be put to bed.

  •  McCain shows more class than Hillary (3+ / 0-)
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    oklacoma dem, LizzyPop, slaney black

    Again.

    It's pathetic.

    Change You Can Xerox: Bush/Clinton/Bush/Clinton

    by Oothoon on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 05:17:18 AM PDT

  •  calculated statement (2+ / 0-)
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    zed, NYFM

    They know right wing radio will keep pushing this and they want to act like they are taking the high road. Also with all the slimeball religious nuts backing McCain what can he really say.
    Wright is not helping Obama, this will be back in the general with a 527 pushing it.By the time it`s over the average american will believe Obama cheered  9-11 with his pastor

    •  I don't know, I think McCain could've very... (3+ / 0-)

      ..easily expolited this if he wanted to. Yes, his ties are just as bad, if not worse, but we all know that the media and public would probably side with McCain. Therefore, I think it's pretty cool that they're taking the high road.

      Especially since, if in the future, Republicans try to 527 him on this, Obama's campaign can bring up this clip of McCain's own campaign manager saying it's no big deal, and Obama shouldn't be faulted for it.

      •  Do you think the media will drop it? (1+ / 0-)
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        NYFM

        Just because Charlie Black says its no big deal?

        Your comment illustrates how McCain is working this.  It makes McCain look nice but the story will not die.  Twofer for McCain.

        •  No, but McCain pounding on it... (0+ / 0-)

          ...certainly wouldn't be making it any better. And as I said, at least we now will have this clip we can pull out, should the Republicans try to use this as part of their campaign in the fall.

          I actually think of Obama's team is smart, they can play this nicely. They can show clips of what McCain's spirtual adviser has said, clips of what Pat Robertson has said (I think he was Bush's adviser, no?), and then play outrageous clips of some things every day American's say. They can almost turn it into a humorous clip and say "don't you know some crazy people too?"

          I'm not saying this situation is great. Obviously it's not at all. But I think it can be dealt with, if the Obama team handles it the right way.

          I also think at some point, Obama has to make a big religion (and maybe race) speech, addressing all this.

  •  Actually, the McCain campaign has impressed me (5+ / 0-)

    so far, at least, with its lack of cheap-shot mudslinging (Aside from Cindy McCain's smarmy "I've always been proud of my country" over Michelle's remarks.) That may change as we get into the general, of course, when he no longer has the Clinton campaign to play "bad cop."

    But how ironic, given all the talk of Hillary "toughening up" Obama for the Republican attacks, that she may play so dirty the Republicans don't have to. McCain can sail in after the kitchen sink has already been thrown and take the high road by refusing to throw it.

    •  But... (0+ / 0-)

      Cindy McCain did not say she had always been "really" proud of her country.

    •  I agree . . . McCain can only benefit (1+ / 0-)
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      txdemfem

      from taking the high road in this campaign. If he's up against St. Barack, getting dirty will cause him to tank. If he's up against Hillary Clinton, her negativity (from the primary season and, probably beyond) will make her seem every inch the harridan she's made out to be, and he'll look dignified and mature in comparison.

      I suspect that negativity only really works when your opponent is weak, has a poor grasp of strategy or both.

      "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk." --Ian McDonald

      by Geenius at Wrok on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 05:48:38 AM PDT

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  •  The idiot Wright has nearly insulated Hagee . . . (0+ / 0-)
    •  Not actually (1+ / 0-)
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      hannahlk
      You guys are such damned despair babies, it's no wonder we always lose. John Hagee is involved in McCain's CAMPAIGN. McCain ACTIVELY sought him out for a presidential ENDORSMENT because he believes he needs Hagee's crazies to win. Show me one place -- ANY PLACE -- where Obama has involved Wright in his campaign. Then stop your  snivelling and get back to work. Sheesh.

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

      by anastasia p on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 05:51:07 AM PDT

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  •  Well McCain will need all the votes he can get (0+ / 0-)

    and some of those votes may come from the Obama supporters if Hillary gets the election in an unsatisfactory way...ie SD's, pledged...whatever.

    It is a smart move not to muddy the water.  You know everyone just wants that really big African American vote :)

  •  Who is holding Obama accountable? (0+ / 0-)

    Obama supporters are paranoid. I don't hear Hillary or anyone in her campaign holding him accountable.

    Only people who post comments in blogs.

  •  republicans will bash the dem candidate. (0+ / 0-)

    and mccain is pre-distancing himself from them.

    it's always best to let surrogates do your dirty work.

  •  Could it be? (0+ / 0-)

    An outbreak of civility and sanity in American politics? Tens of millions of people support either candidate and if you start playing the reject and denounce game you never do get to the issues. Only those on the payroll of the campaigns, or who speak to the media on behalf of the campaigns or appear to be representing the campaigns, are legit targets for queries and responses.

    That said, of course, Obama's ex-pastor will be attacked endlessly by Republican campaign appendages like Fox 'News' and Limbaugh and company and all those hate groups, etc. It will be impossible to know if this was coordinated with the campaign or approved by it. Just as we can suspect that Ferraro talked to someone in the campaign before she went through three media rounds of race-talk, but really just do not know the extent to which she had prior approval for her little adventure.

    People just have to learn to ignore all the surrogates wherher self-appointed or not. If only the media could manafge to pay as much attention to the campaigns as to the surrogates.

    We have only just begun and none too soon.

    by global citizen on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 06:48:24 AM PDT

  •  It's a Huge Deal and This is a Trap (0+ / 0-)

    Obama had 20 years to find another congregation.
    He is one camera sequence away from oblivion.
    The McCain people will use this against Obama every which way they can and likely to great effect in rural Pa and Ohio.

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