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Where's the REAL Outrage? A Black Diarist Asks [UPDATEDx3]

Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:15:41 AM PDT

Note: I posted this same diary at MyDD but thought that it needed to be repeated.  

I have been appalled at the responses from supposed Democrats and Hillary supporters in regards to the Rev. Wright situation. As an African-American I have been deeply offended by the comments and even more offended by the lack of outrage from supposed Democrats for so many other REAL issues that face African-Americans and others every day.

I ask you:

Where is the outrage that a black man is dragged by his teeth for miles in Texas by whites just because he is black? Where is the outrage that our tax dollars continue to send funds to cities that tolerate this?

Where is the outrage at what Geraldine Ferraro(and was able to say for two weeks without being told to stop) and the fact that Hillary Clinton considered her a friend of over 20 years?

Where was the outrage over the Jena six?

Where is the outrage that 1 in every 100 Americans is in jail?

Where is the outrage that 30% of all blacks are incarcerated when we make up only 13% of the population?

Where is the outrage that a white convict is three times as likely to find a job as opposed to a black convict?

Where is the outrage that the Blacks are the ones that are most effected by the lack of educational funds in public schools?

Where was the outrage when Hillary Clinton compared the Bush Administration to running America like a plantation?

Where is the outrage that the average lifespan of an African-American male is only 55?

Where is the outrage that African-Americans are more likely to be stopped by police for NO OTHER REASON besides being black four times as much as whites?

Where is the outrage that people work in this country and are still poor?

Where is the outrage when in the 1990s during the Genocide in Rwanda that the Clinton Administration did absolutely NOTHING?

Where is the outrage that more African-Americans were incarcerated during the Clinton Administration then in any previous administration due to ridiculous laws?

When you can show me the REAL outrage in all of these things, then we can talk about the outrage of the comments of Rev. Wright.  Until then, this needs to stop.

UPDATE 2:
I've noticed that many are angry about my Planned Parenthood statement. Regardless if the newspaper is "right wing," the transcript speaks for itself.  This has been a problem in Idaho and other states and the fact that Planned Parenthood cannot weed out it's bad seeds is only contributing to the problem.  So yes, they do share the blame.

UPDATE: For those that were so angered by my Planned Parenthood statement I would ask you if whether or not you think that money spent on building Planned Parenthood sites would be better spent on building job training centers, after school centers, etc. I come from a community where I have heard stories about Planned Parenthood and there are many who would prefer a job training center than a planned parenthood in their neighborhood.

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    •  No flames from me (3+ / 0-)

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      But if you could reply to the commenter re: support for your Planned Parenthood comment, it'd be cool...

    •  Tipped and Recced (4+ / 0-)

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      I've been pretty outraged by all of the above and more for quite some time.

      I'm outraged because my country doesn't look anything at all like the one I was taught to be proud of.

    •  Sorry (0+ / 0-)

      I'm hring this diary until you take out that lie about Planned Parenthood.  Citing righwing, anti-choice propoganda to defend claims of genocide on an organization like Planned Parenthood is troll garbage.  

      McCain is not getting my state. Is he getting yours?

      by Sun dog on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:45:48 AM PDT

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    •  oak510 (1+ / 0-)

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      as i stated below, i am in total support of your premise.   but you've been told multiple times that the source you are citing for the planned parenthood smear is a right wing blog from texas that is well known for tearing down left leaning organisations through any means possible.  you've been given ample time to remove that one line from your diary and instead you are defending it.  
      downthread, a link to a news site was posted. if the article is read in full it makes perfectly clear the fact that one fundraising employee was ENTRAPPED by anti-abortion activists who were looking to find some way to smear planned parenthood.  the employee in question was term'ed and planned parenthood issued a strong statement regarding the issue.
      yet the smear link is still in your diary.
      and again, while i support your premise, at this point i can only conclude that you are purposefully disregarding the truth and trying to smear an organisation that has saved lives and families for decades.  hence, i'm TRing.

      John Cornyn is an asshole with shoes. Support Rick Noriega!

      by anna on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:11:07 AM PDT

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      •  I'm sorry (0+ / 0-)

        I will not remove it. I have heard about this before in my community. Yes, pro-lifers have a reason to also state this but there is still a problem with Planned Parenthood. Given the sensitivity of abortion this shouldn't even be happening.  PP needs to do a better job of training it's members because this is happening in states like Idaho and Ohio and will continue to if it is not properly addressed.

        BTW, I am 100% pro-choice but to allow this to happen is completely unacceptable to me.

        I hate Harold Ford Jr.

        by oak510 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:19:05 AM PDT

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  •  What's this about Planned Parenthood encouraging (8+ / 0-)

    abortions of black babies? Do you have a citation for that?

      •  Is there a kernel of truth at the bottom of it? (0+ / 0-)

        Does anyone have the full story on this?

        •  No, there isn't (8+ / 0-)

          It's absolutely disgusting.

          My mother in law is heavily involved in Planned Parenthood and my wife has done extensive research in this subject.  This is an absolute pile of bullshit and people shouldn't be reccing this diary until the diarist removes that.  It's like claiming that Democrats support genocide and then people rec it.

          McCain is not getting my state. Is he getting yours?

          by Sun dog on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:25:09 AM PDT

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          •  Here's the story (0+ / 0-)

            Google News is my friend. To be honest, it sounds pretty damning: http://www.idahostatesman.com/...

          •  Before you react... (0+ / 0-)

            Grab some facts... Your mother-in-law may be a sketchy source.

            Link here

            Politics didn't lead me to working people. Working people led me to politics. -- Barack Obama

            by JackieandFritz on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:29:20 AM PDT

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          •  genocide (2+ / 1-)

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            Well if the shoe fits...What did Bill do about the genocide in Rawanda? Nothing! What have the dems done about Dafur?Nothing. Even though this is not just a dem issue tell me what genocide is happening now and what has anyone done about it?

            •  Lay the fuck off (4+ / 0-)

              Don't give me that strawman bullshit.

              I didn't defend Clinton's blunders in Africa.  

              And a group of rightwing freaks calling and offering money to Planned Parenthood to see if they could get some nervous person on the phone to say something stupid is just what it is.  Taking that rightwing talking point to accuse a good organization of something so atrocious is ridiculous.  This is rightwing bullshit and latching onto it here to make a point is pathetic.  

              I'm a huge Obama supporter and I agree with the overall premise of this diary.  We do have selective outrage and the attempts to scare white voters away from Obama with Wright are an outrage.  But including in that argument this rightwing lie about Planned Parenthood doesn't strengthen the case.  

              McCain is not getting my state. Is he getting yours?

              by Sun dog on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:42:49 AM PDT

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              •  misinformed and outraged... (0+ / 0-)

                is no way to life your life, son

                Politics didn't lead me to working people. Working people led me to politics. -- Barack Obama

                by JackieandFritz on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:46:11 AM PDT

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                •  I'll life my life as I please son (0+ / 0-)

                  I thought this diary was about the proper placement of outrage?  Well, I share the diarists view about it.  White people pretending to be outraged by Wright is pathetic to me.  As though Geraldine Ferraro is a victim.  The fact that there is anger in the black community towards whites is perfectly understandable if one knows a kernel of American history.  And using that anger to try to create a backlash against a man like Barack Obama is in itself racist.  

                  What I'm outraged about here is that people would be so quick to embrace this disgusting line generated by twisted right wing liars about a good organization.  And to try to lay the guilt on me of genocide in Africa, as though I was excusing that, is outrageous to me.  

                  McCain is not getting my state. Is he getting yours?

                  by Sun dog on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:52:55 AM PDT

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                  •  Glad you can identify a typo... Congrats. (1+ / 0-)

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                    To blindly embrace PP might be a mistake.

                    Are you certain that the organization treats women of different backgrounds and ethnicities equal?

                    Of course not.

                    That's because people make judgments from their own experience. I do know examples of this, but I am not hashing them out here.

                    Needless to say, the comments of the PP employee should serve as a wake-up call for the organization.

                    Politics didn't lead me to working people. Working people led me to politics. -- Barack Obama

                    by JackieandFritz on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:50:27 AM PDT

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                    •  Blindly embrace? (0+ / 0-)

                      You keep making these sweeping generalizations about my perspective that just aren't true.

                      And yes, the comments of that employee (volunteer?) should serve as a wake-up call to the organizatin that that employee is a dingbat.  

                      McCain is not getting my state. Is he getting yours?

                      by Sun dog on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 11:27:48 AM PDT

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      •  This diarist is spreading right-wing slander (3+ / 0-)

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        Oak510 fell for an obvious con.  Add to that the fact that it is actually possible to be both outraged at all the injusties the diarist mentions AND to think that Obama was right to fire Wright and this diary doesn't amount to much.

        McCain: Running for Hoover's 21st term

        by Finck II on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:22:05 AM PDT

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        •  Second update sets one group against another (1+ / 0-)

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          I don't know on what planet there is ever a choice between a Planned Parenthood Center, which is a private organization, and a job training center, which tends to be government funded -- but what's wrong with having both, since each caters to a different need in the community?  I don't see the point of setting the unemployed against the pregnant.

          With the ONLY link in this article being the one to the utterly fraudulent smear of Planned Parenthood, it is clear that the diarist has some bizarre obsession with the organization.  Or perhaps we are simply seeing an attack of Ferraroitis, a mental condition in which when one is caught saying something outrageous, one does not apologize or retract the statement but rather digs in one's heels and repeats it over and over...

          McCain: Running for Hoover's 21st term

          by Finck II on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 12:09:43 PM PDT

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    •  Links (0+ / 0-)

      I hate Harold Ford Jr.

      by oak510 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:24:28 AM PDT

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    •  Henry Hyde... (0+ / 0-)

      ...pushed this idea back in the '90's. Didn't know it was still floating out their as a genocidal conspiracy though. Wasn't true then, not true now. It's a tlaking point, an offensive, incorrect, propaganda one, of the far right.

      •  Idaho Values Alliance? (3+ / 0-)

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        Got love how they come up with these names. In OR, it was the Oregon Citizens Alliance to overturn a constitutional amendment that was giving Homosexuals "special rights". The last time I saw, they had tried, and failed to get it passed.

        The Idaho case looks like one stupid employee that didn't respond accordingly when an entrapment call was placed. Hardly seems like a wide-spread epidemic.

        Wait...all 3 of those links were about the idaho story? Geez. Do much overreacting? Hardly seems to be ingrained. They're an equal opportunity provider of health care services to women.

        Spreading this as a clear case of PP's true goals is, well, garbage.

    •  Here is a study from the Guttmacher Institute (0+ / 0-)

      that does this kind of research..

      http://www.guttmacher.org/...

      •  uh oh (0+ / 0-)

        you tried to inject facts into the discussion.

        tsk tsk.

        ;^)

        John Cornyn is an asshole with shoes. Support Rick Noriega!

        by anna on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:00:43 AM PDT

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        •  Well, there are statistics that suggest (2+ / 0-)

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          that the number of abortions among black women is higher than among other women..

          RESULTS
          Women's Characteristics
          All social and demographic groups are represented among women having abortions; the characteristics of this population have been discussed elsewhere.6 More than half of respondents (56%) were in their 20s; women in their 30s accounted for 22% of abortions and adolescents for 19%. Seventeen percent of women were married, 67% had never been married and the remainder had previously been married; 31% of single women were cohabiting. The majority of women (61%) had one or more children. Women with family incomes less than 200% of the federal poverty level accounted for 57% of abortions; 27% were poor (had incomes below 100% of poverty). Forty-one percent of women were non-Hispanic white, 32% non-Hispanic black and 20% Hispanic; the remainder were members of other racial and ethnic groups.§§

          Contraceptive Use Patterns
          More than half of women obtaining abortions in 2000 (54%) had been using a contraceptive method during the month they became pregnant (Table 1). This figure is slightly lower than the proportion of women having abortions in 1994 who had been contraceptive users (58%),7 but slightly higher than the proportion reported in 1987 (51%).8 In 2000, approximately 15% of women had been using the most effective methods—1% used long-acting methods (sterilization, the IUD, implants or injectables) and 14% the pill. Twenty-eight percent of all women having abortions had used the male condom, down from 32% in 1994 (the only method to decline by more than three

          When the numbers of abortions are among the population that has the highest numbers of unwanted pregnancies, and that population is Black women, then some people might view this as encouraging abortions among black women..what the right wing does not address is the level of economic distress in some communities.. If the right to life crowd and the right wingers were truly interested in reducing the numbers of abortions in the country, they would advocate free education through the college and advanced degree level like Ireland does..they would advocate a living wage for all..
          they would advocate full paid time off from work for vacations and rest from work.. they would advocate housing costs that are in line with a percentage of one's income that is affordable..but since the right wing does not think about these things..their arguments against abortion are weak and not worthy of consideration..religion is not a strong enough argument to block abortion.. that is my position with them  any time I come across right wingers who engage in that weak argument about abortion..

          Now, thinking about abortion is sophisticated terms takes some effort for people..and perhaps most people don't want to think about what is really needed to reduce all abortion..

  •  Uh, planned parenthood (7+ / 0-)

    is hardly encouraging abortion of black babies.  That's a disgusting thing to say.  You should research something like that more before repeating claims of such an atrocity.  

    McCain is not getting my state. Is he getting yours?

    by Sun dog on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:23:07 AM PDT

  •  Excellent diary (3+ / 0-)

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    All this needs to be said. And I'm glad Reverend Wright's comments have been brought to light because maybe we can have a dialogue over these issues. White America needs to be reminded that yes, we are living in two Americas, not just separted by incomes but by race and region. Their shock over this, however, is hypocrisy. We've made strides, but we've also fallen back. And part of that can be blamed on Bill Clinton along with the Repubs. I'm outraged.

  •  I don't agree with all of what you've said (7+ / 0-)

    (the PP encourages eugenics myth simply isn't true) and I don't think that one out of 3 black men have been incarcarated.

    But we have long ignored minority issues, both here in this community and in the blogosphere. And it's time we acknowledged our selective outrage and paid attention to more than just the media-driven controversies.

    "I will fight for my country, but I will not lie for her. " -- Zora Neale Hurston

    by blueintheface on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:24:18 AM PDT

    •  In the 90s (4+ / 0-)

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      1 in 3 Black men involved in the criminal justice system was the reality. That could mean indictment, imprisonment and parole but 1 in 3 was real. I doubt if that number has diminished considering that 1 in 100 Americans are now involved with the criminal justce system.  

      "How can I go off and join FRELIMO, when I've got 9 more payments on the fridge?" Mrs. Conclusion Monty Python

      by Sansouci on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:33:38 AM PDT

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      •  1/3 men in their 20s. nt (0+ / 0-)

      •  The high incaration rate is tied, I believe, to (1+ / 0-)

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        the value of the land that makes up the inner cities..people like Ron Burkle, Bill Clinton's financial buddy .. have bought up huge tracts of land in the inner cities..that land is valuable..what better way to obtain it then to engage in a form of ethnic cleansing by putting innercity people in prison..destroying the economic structure of families and causing exodus...

        I think we should start to do some serious looking at the ownership of land and property in the inner cities..and track the successor owners and interests in that land..the time is ripe right now..the crack epidemic wiped out many communities..and that was no accident..

  •  Remember what Hillary said (0+ / 0-)

    If this was a White woman suffering from this disease (AIDS), it would be a major issue.

    I am with you here. "Where is the outrage"

  •  Great points (2+ / 0-)

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    but these points should be linked.

    "How can I go off and join FRELIMO, when I've got 9 more payments on the fridge?" Mrs. Conclusion Monty Python

    by Sansouci on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:27:57 AM PDT

  •  The Wright flap was s given from day one (8+ / 0-)

    The minute a viable black candidate entered the race, it was a given that we'd see such an attack of guilt by association.

    The reason for this is simple: African Americans have an awful lot of reasons to feel angry. A single generation ago they lived under Jim Crow. Our prisons are overrepresented with them, as is the population under the poverty line.

    The fact that Obama himself has learned to carry himself in such a non-confrontational way (pundits call it 'post-racial' without ever realizing the preconceptions they are admiting to) helped get him this far - but the chance that any black man in America could walk through his life and not have relationships with somebody who feels just like Jeremiah Wright is next to nil.

    'I speak, therefore I act' is the great American illusion of politics.

    by snout on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:27:58 AM PDT

    •  Bravo! (4+ / 0-)

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      Chris Rock once said that "The Jeffersons" was his favorite show because George Jefferson is a realistic portrayal of the racial attitudes of older Black men. How could men of Jeremiah Wright's generation and to a large degree men of subsequent generations not be enraged by the failings of this society when it comes down to issues of justice and equality for all citizens? Yes, lynchings are no longer as regular but a Black person can still be lynched. Segregation is no longer de facto but it still exists for a large segment of Black America. Wright and all who experience the world as he does, is not to blame for these comments. The society and its citizens that allow, encourage and benefit from racial apartheid are to blame.

      "How can I go off and join FRELIMO, when I've got 9 more payments on the fridge?" Mrs. Conclusion Monty Python

      by Sansouci on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:40:06 AM PDT

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  •  I whole heartedly agree with you..what has (1+ / 0-)

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    amazed me is the "firestorm" as Barack calls it around remarks made by Reverend Wright in 2006..I thought the GD remark was recent..Katrina failures were fresh in 2006, "extraordinary renditions" or more to the point .. kidnapping innocent people off the streets of Canada or other places and taking them to torture chambers in foreign countries was coming to light..all sorts of hideous things that have been done in our name were coming to light in 2006 when Reverend Wright made that unfortunate remark..but my goodness....WE WERE ALL FEELING THAT WAY..the only people not angry and upset by what has been going on are the rapture ready nut jobs who support Bush and Cheney..

  •  Outrage! (2+ / 0-)

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    It amazes me that the commenters here have picked one point to question,planned parenthood.They have missed the whole context of this diary.Black ppl live with these injustices everyday!The context here is OUTRAGE at what white society and the media has done to paint the black community and Obama. Maybe if other preachers preached the truth instead of being afraid to upset their hot tub congregations, then they might be OUTRAGED too.

    •  Facts are facts. Bullshit is bullshit. (7+ / 0-)

      Nobody has missed shit.  When bullshit is included in a recitation, it needs to be called out.  There are PLENTY of legitimate reasons for outrage, even listed here, without including bullshit.

      You are goddammed right that I'm outraged that:

      Black ppl live with these injustices everyday!

      I can name a few that you didn't mention, too.

      -7.75 -4.67

      "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose."

      by Odysseus on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:41:17 AM PDT

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    •  One bad apple... (4+ / 0-)

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      ruins the bushel.

      If I wrote a similar diary that lays out point by point the reasons that I believe in progressivism and human equality and it was the greatest diary ever...made you excited to be alive and thrilled about the changes coming in Jan. 2009, but then at the end added one line: The Jews are to blame for almost everything wrong in the world...

      Would that be a problem?

      The penalty that good men pay for not being interested in politics is to be governed by men worse than themselves. - Plato

      by robroser on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:48:31 AM PDT

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    •  Planned Parenthood has been a good (0+ / 0-)

      organization for family planning..no doubt about it..but I haven't been to a planned parenthood in over 25 years.. I don't know what they are like now..I can't say that they are or are not encouraging abortion among black women more than abortion for other women...

      This should be investigated.. it is a statement that this diarist has made and it can be or can't be established as fact..

  •  Here is a diary that I am bringing forward (0+ / 0-)

    to you which is an enormously important issue before us at this moment..Obama has asked for the Clintons to release their tax returns and the pressure for them to release those tax returns is vital.  We can't have Hillary in the White House because of Bill's contacts with foreign governments... he is taking huge sums of money from foreign governments ..  Hillary has access to this money which is a conflict of interest for her in this campaign...she has to be called on it..repeatedly every single day..

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

  •  Planned Parenthood... (7+ / 0-)

    this part of your diary is completely untrue. While I agree with much of what you have to say, that point ruins it.

    The penalty that good men pay for not being interested in politics is to be governed by men worse than themselves. - Plato

    by robroser on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:42:44 AM PDT

  •  Its sad that the only person with the (2+ / 0-)

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    outrage is actually Wright, and he was declared a hate monger.

  •  It's pretty clear (6+ / 0-)

    that many more people are only outraged at the fact that some black people are Still Outraged.

    Shocker.

    Here's a thought for all those "just get over it" types - you can expect black people to start getting over it, when it stops!

    You can expect black people to begin to forgive and forget when you're willing to forgive and forget a little bit of overheated rhetoric from one pastor in one church like Wright.

    When people stop having hot flashes over "God Damn America" while blowing off the Voter Suppression and Racial Purging of the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ - then we can start having a real discussion.

    Vyan

  •  Preach it. Preach it. (2+ / 0-)

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    Tell it, and the old folks say.

  •  retract (6+ / 0-)

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    the part about Planned Parenthood, please.  My mother was active in it and I have been a supporter all my life. PP doesn't encourage anyone to anything except think for themselves.

    Something I've noticed: the tendency of some Clinton supporters to be dismissive of the concerns of black Democrats about the disresepct her canpaign has shown to Obama. i got in a fuss on TalkLeft about this and the Clintonn supports didn't mince words: balck voters had no right to object to the tactics used against Obama. There was no basis for anger over thie descriptin of him as an empty suit or just owrds or the attempts to marginalize him as just the representative of black Democrta or to describe him as less fit to be C in C than a Republican.

    this fro the people who had a hissy fit over the word "periodically"!

    I am amazed at those Clinton supporters who  are so cultish in their attitude toward her that they can't see the problem with the campaigns' disresepct for Obama.  

    It just amazes me.

    Second star on the right and straight on til morning

    by wren on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:50:47 AM PDT

  •  Great diary. (1+ / 0-)

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    This should be on the rec-list.

  •  Hyperventilation (5+ / 0-)

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    by so-called liberals scurrying away from Rev. Wright (as opposed to Obama's much more coherent distancing from the more extreme or factually erroneous comments by the pastor) feed the traditional media's bluster that THIS is Obama's Achilles heel.  Please. As I have said repeatedly on this site, what is really at issue in the Ferraro/Wright imbroglio is a fundamental discomfort many  white Americans have not with blackness but with their own whiteness.  Too many white liberals reply immediately: "I am a nice person; I am not racist; my family never owned slaves."  To such folks: it's not about you--or your precious comfort.  Talking honestly about race is different than being comfortable.  White folk need to see themselves AS white--as well as all the other very complicated things they also are. Black folk deal with how society sees blackness all the time.   And this is not about that pathetic phrase "white guilt," virtually no different in foolishness than "white pride." Have some courage people; quit being so afraid of your damn shadows or reflections.  It is all about the complex warp and weft of American history in which race is a dominant strand, though not (obviously) the only strand of contention or tension.  I would like to see more white folk quit  worrying about their comfort and embrace a little discomfort once in a while.  It's OK, because in the end, we are in this together, white/black, rich/poor, gay/straight, English-speaking/Spanish-speaking, etc. etc. etc. Sensitivity + knowledge + courage = victory.

  •  agreed (3+ / 0-)

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    Of course, I also pointed a lot of my comments on those to http://www.monroeanderson.typepad.com/ because he has had a very good take on it since early last year.  I mean, come on, it took the wingers nearly a year to actually get the footage they wanted?  It's not like they weren't pushing the story through Newsmax every single month.

    Of course, I'm just as pissed right now about how I'm the first freaking diarist to write anything about American Axle's strike even though it has now shut down 7 GM plants.  No one talks about the requested 50 to 75% reductions in pay that American Axle is requesting from the strikers.

    The Wright story (which is so freaking old and replayed and replayed) and the "Strike" diaries this weekend make me sick.  I shouldn't have to spend my time educating Progressives about these issues any more than you should have to put out a litany of statements that are true about the plight of African Americans in this society.  

    Today just doesn't seem to me to be a good day.  I'm just too freaking made today.

    The most important word in the language of the working class is `solidarity.'--Harry Bridges, longshore union leader

    by Bendygirl on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 09:56:32 AM PDT

  •   i suspect rove et al (1+ / 0-)

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    is re-kindling the racial division with in the Dem party.  the question is, will we Continue buy into it?

    It is all an outrage, there is no question about that, but sadly, it is not the single outrage we as Americans are facing.  The Only way to heal racial divide is for "we the people" to call bullshit on the manipulation from the "powers" and fix it ourselves.  Many Have from both sides but far more needs to be done.

    i cannot imagine being encouraged to have an abortion because of my race...

    the prison population is starkly evident to us all and is deplorable, if i Knew of one damned way to fix it, i would.

  •  How does it feel? (4+ / 0-)

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    anna, bustacap, ngoswami, oak510

    This relates to what Michelle Obama said about feeling proud of her country for the first time in her adult life. . .

    And as for some of what is seen as pure bile coming from Rev. Wright . . .  It is bilious. But if you put Michelle Obama's and Rev. Wright's feelings into context, you can understand where they are coming from. As an affluent middle class white, it is almost impossible for me to truly empathize with a woman who grew up poor in Chicago. Whose father was deprived of being able to earn a good income to support his  children -- merely because of his skin color. And by "empathize",  I mean to feel what it felt like. Yes, I may have had my own set of challenges. But they were not those challenges. I never, for example, felt that the entire power structure of society and/or my government were actively working against me.

    When people say that they empathize with Michelle Obama's challenges growing up . . . do they really? It is one thing, to understand and respect her struggles, it is another to truly feel what that felt like. I for one would probably be filled with hatred if my family had been treated like black folks have been treated in our country. I am a petty person that way. When I am wronged, I tend not to forget it, and I even nurture it sometimes. That might not be healthy, but it is an all to human response to being injured by another. Forgiveness isn't easy.

    So  I hope Senator Obama does not grovel and apologize too much for what Rev. Wright has said.  Rev. Wright's feelings on race are understandable and justifiable. And the points he makes about America's shortcomings, while shrill and overstated, do make the valid point that we are not perfect.

    Yes, some of Rev. Wright's comments were over the top, and his delivery is almost ridiculous when viewed from outside his culture. But if you use a little imagination and empathy, you get perspective.

  •  Right on! (1+ / 0-)

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    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy" Hamlet, 1:5

    by synductive99 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:02:20 AM PDT

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    Excellent diary except the Planned Parenthood smear. One person, who presumably has had ingrained "be gracious to all donors at all times" got led by the nose down a path deliberately designed to malign the organization. That hardly justifies painting the whole organization as genocidal.

  •  it's not a newspaper, oak510!! (0+ / 0-)

    it is a right wing BLOG.  and you continue to perpetuate the smear.  disgusting.

    all that work you put into channelling your outrage has been for naught because of that one LIE in your diary.

    John Cornyn is an asshole with shoes. Support Rick Noriega!

    by anna on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:13:14 AM PDT

    •  I'm sorry (0+ / 0-)

      I will not remove it. I have heard about this before in my community. Yes, pro-lifers have a reason to also state this but there is still a problem with Planned Parenthood. Given the sensitivity of abortion this shouldn't even be happening.  PP needs to do a better job of training it's members because this is happening in states like Idaho and Ohio and will continue to if it is not properly addressed.

      BTW, I am 100% pro-choice but to allow this to happen is completely unacceptable to me.

      I hate Harold Ford Jr.

      by oak510 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:26:39 AM PDT

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  •  I thought we had come a long way baby (0+ / 0-)

    but the longer this race goes on the more I am convinced that racism is more prevalent than I ever realized.  

  •  Add me to those upset (1+ / 0-)

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    about the Planned Parenthood issue.  You're taking an unsubstantiated transcript off a right-wing source and using that?  Sorry, but that's bullshit.  There might well be a few racist folks at local PP centers; but I doubt all the way to hell and back that the conversation went as written.  I am sure that PP offers its services to all without regard to race.  If some racist asshole called PP with that line of argument, I also have no doubt they would hear what they wanted to hear, not what was actually said.  Other than that, keep the diary; but lose the PP smear.

    That said, I believe there has been substantial outrage here about all of the issues you raise.  Valid questions, but you're preaching to the choir here.

    When the oak is felled the whole forest echoes with its fall, but a hundred acorns are sown in silence by an unnoticed breeze. -Thomas Carlyle

    by rb608 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:26:43 AM PDT

  •  I've seen the youtube of the planned parenthood (1+ / 0-)

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    call.  It was more than a little disturbing.  But it was clear to me, by the tone of her voice, that she was stunned by the request and didn't know how to handle it.  It was more shocking to me that someone (the caller) could be so racist to score political points.  

    I see you already updated your diary to edit the PP part.  So then I'll just say that I agree that Wright's comments weren't as offensive as they are being played in the media.  They were a little harsh, but not untrue.  

    For me, we'd all be better off if we just stayed out of churches in general.

    Freedom IS free... it is only tyrants that demand we pay so dearly.

    by No Gods No Masters on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 10:52:19 AM PDT

  •  You get a HR... (0+ / 0-)

    ..until you remove the libel against Planned Parenthood.

    9-11 changed everything? Well, Katrina changed it back.

    by varro on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 11:01:41 AM PDT

  •  planned parenthood... (0+ / 0-)

    offers "choices" for women...

    hooked on phonics worked for me

    by letinstar on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 11:08:15 AM PDT

  •  Where's the outrage? I will tell you... (1+ / 0-)

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    ..what I think.  (Sorry this post is so long...)  First of all, full discloser:  Dem-lifer, female, anglo, Obama supporter/fan.  

    I have to also admit that being who I am, I have not experienced, and am not aware of everything that you mention. Although if I had I am guessing I certainly would be angrier than I am.  In this post, though, I can really only address this issue as related to the elections, because I don't have that deeper understanding that you do.

    I have had a brief period in my life (8 months) of being the minority race (hated by lots) in a community.  I actually had people try to/threaten to kill me for the only reason that I was white. The first time it happened I thought it was a fluke.  But it happened more than once and a pattern emerged. It was terrifying and deeply unsettling.  For the first time in my life  I could really get it from the minority perspective.  I couldn't take it.  I had to move.

    But what about people who can't move?  What if there is no way for them to get away from their oppression/abuse/hatred/fear?  Then I suppose they have the options of allowing it to effect them internally.  One of those options is to get angry.

    Anger is a better option than a lot of choices.  Obviously the strength of the anger is related to how wronged a person feels. I was so frickin angry at Ferrarro and Clinton for the rude comments and the even ruder way of handling it.  Actually those comments were what drew me to dKos the very first time.  I just had to know what people were saying about it.

    I was really shocked to hear that some people were actually defending those comments.  How could those comments not be seen as racist?  How could they not be seen as insulting?  Some people actually said they were true.  what?!

    My consistent response was, (and I hope this does not offend you) The reason race is an issue in this democratic primary is the opposite of what Ferrarro claimed.  If Obama was white, he would already have the nomination locked up - Hillary would be out.  

    So don't go telling me that Obama's being black is what got him there.  Obama's being black is what is keeping Hillary there.  Of course race is a factor, but don't go telling the opposite of what's true!

    Anyways, I got riled up and noticed that others were getting riled up and it was making the Democrats look like a bunch of idiots.  So I decided to take a breath and meditate on it.

    In my meditation I got a classic image come to mind that was manufactured to create fear in the days before (and during - and apparently after) civil rights:  The evil black man attacking the sweet innocent white woman.  

    Ok, that just got me thinking of how that plays right into the desire by the McCain types to invalidate both of the democratic nominees.  The conspiracy goes: "Not only are African-Americans sneaky and evil and twisted, they get everything handed to them for free as well.  In addition, white women are not smart enough to see it coming or to properly protect themselves.  So obviously we need a white man to come and solve this problem."

    This is perfect for the Repugs because not only does it get the women and the non-racists (ie, African-Americans, and people with hearts, etc.) bickering amongst each other.  It splits the democrat vote.  Potentially giving McCain the electoral advantage.

    So what I realized was that in this case, they (old whitie) want us to be angry.  They want the Hillary- followers to say "I won't vote for Obama no matter what" and vice versa.  They want us to be so angry that we scare others by our unlevelheadedness which also gives McCain the upper hand.

    In my mind we have a war going on within our country. The repugs have been for 7+ years working from within the highest parts of our government - destroying America - intentionally.  I am pretty fricking angry about that.

    In any war there is strategy.  My strategy is to get a Democrat in office so we can begin to repair some of the problems that are pervasive in all walks of life to different degrees.  We cannot do that if we are fighting with one another on the Democrat side.  The more we fight with eachother, the more the repugs have a chance of getting McSame in office.

    So with that I have decided not to bicker with racists-in-feminist-clothing, or any clothing for that matter.  It just keeps the issues alive because someone gets to air their opinion that what Ferrarro said is true, and it distracts from the very real possibility we have to put a person of color in the White house.

    Since I had already made that decision regarding Ferrarro's comments, I never talked to even one person about Wright.  I think Wright's anger is completely justified.  But I don't want to talk to anyone about it. People who get it, get it.  People who don't, don't.

    Now get this, I am not voting for Obama because he is a person of color.  I am voting for Obama because he is very clearly - race and gender aside - the best person for the job.

    So that's my answer for where my outrage is, it is laying low for the moment until there is actually someone in a place of power to do something about it - someone who can even acknowledge the problem, which Hillary and McSame obviously do not.

    That is not to say that I think you (or anyone) should do or think the same as me.  Obviously if I were African-American and directly facing the concerns you mention, it would not be so easy for me
    to say I will just hold off my anger a little longer.  So on that I can admit that my bias favors remaining calm.

    But I will tell you one thing, If they (old crusty, thieving white men) do the same as what they did to Gore and Kerry, there will be some rage all right.

    The difference is that Gore and Kerry were not charismatic, dynamic, likeable, uniting.  So at the time we were mad, but obviously not mad enough.  They better be careful this time though.  Because if they steal this election, there could be some riots.

    And ONE MORE thing.  I was so upset by some of the things that some Hillary supporters were saying that it just flat out confused me.  SO my first diary - yesterday - at dKos was to take a poll.  will you please take a moment to give a couple of clicks so that I know at least one African American has taken part before I do my analysis of it.  

    (Is that racist?  I think part of the problem is that many anglos don't have a lot of personal one-on-one contact with African Americans as individual people so they are not even sensitive to what would be insulting to someone from that perspective. [This is not to condone or excuse the real racists/haters, but to say not everyone realizes when they are being racist because they don't get a proper reflection of what effects come from their behavior.] In that regard, if I have said anything offensive, please know it was not intentional.)

    Here's the poll:
    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    Thank you.  Democrats Unite!

  •  Hmmm (0+ / 0-)

    Not to pick nits, but:

    Where is the outrage that African-Americans are more likely to be stopped by police for NO OTHER REASON besides being black four times as much as whites?

    I think that the odds of a white person being stopped for driving while black are a little off.  As a white guy I've never, ever been stopped for being black.  ;-)

    i am jack's complete lack of surprise -- fight club

    by bustacap on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 11:15:44 AM PDT

  •  you forgot one (0+ / 0-)

    where was the outrage when america invented aids to kill black people!

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