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Exactly why Kristol is poison to the New York Times

Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 04:54:14 PM PDT

Obviously, I hang around the Daily Kos site and have a high regard for many of the things I read here.  Some of the writers here are rock stars to me.  I also believe that a person writing a diary here with mistakes of fact tends to get called out with amazing speed.

However, I recognize that this site is far more amenable to some points of view than others.  I would not expect a writer or columnist for a major media publication to cite a diary on the Daily Kos as the sole evidence to something he is publishing in his periodical.  While a diary, or even a front page item, might be a great lead for an item or column, I would expect that journalist or columnist to do a bit more digging to confirm the veracity of what they read here, which, after all, has a partisan axe to grind.

This is why the Kristol/Newsmax boner is a textbook example of what a horrible decision it was for the New York Times to hire Kristol in the first place.  We expect the Times to engage a range of columnists representing differing political perspectives.  What we do not expect is willful endorsement and use of transparent propaganda in the service of that diversity.

William Kristol has a very enigmatic demeanor.  He can write or speak the most appalling lies as if they were as apparent as the sum of two and two, almost as if he is embarrassed at the obviousness of his observation.  He can lie in such a blatant, bald-faced way, it staggers one's imagination to think that he really believes it, that he is really too smart to believe such idiocy, that he has become a sort of Zen Master of lying.  But for someone to be lying instead of merely mistaken, he must know that he is lying, and so we assume that he knows he is a liar and suffers the accompanying Death of the Spirit that comes with it.

But then Kristol goes and depends on Newsmax as the sole source for a damning column that he submits to the most widely disseminated editorial page in the world.  

Now, a liar knows he's a liar, and he knows the other liars who have been lying alongside of him for years.  So he presumably knows that Newsmax is a major propaganda organ of the Right and that most of what they publish is at best semi-sourced, semi-vetted half-truth and heavily varnished with wingnut distortion.  And he may give his impish "well, I know this is crap, but it serves my purposes and it may change someone's opinion to my side" smile, but he knows it's crap, right?  He knows that it doesn't pass muster under any acceptable rules of journalism, right?  He wouldn't use it to source anything under his byline in the mainstream media, right?

Or perhaps he thinks Newsmax is real.  Perhaps he thinks that they are a perfectly acceptable and reasonable news-gathering organization and that it is entirely appropriate to use them as the sole source for his Times column that day.

But if that's possible, then that leads us to another mind-blowing possibility -- maybe he thinks that he himself is real!!  Maybe he believes the crap he spews.  Maybe it's not all a smug, self-satisfied act.  Maybe he is sincere!!!

We live in a world where liars somehow achieve a Ph.D. in lying and acquire the title "spin doctor."  They are paid to lie.  They know they're lying, the interviewers know they're lying, but they say their lies into the mike, the interviewer nods and accepts their lies without challenge, and the lies get put out as reasonable thought into the public sphere.

But when a liar's skills become so deeply embedded in himself that he loses that one little thread that gives him a small promise of redemption -- that he knows he is a liar and can hope to one day reconcile his sins -- when he starts believing his own bullshit -- that way madness lies.  What was once a convenient skill that facilitated an agenda becomes a pathology.

There is a significant difference between the inveterate liar, who lies often and knows it and doesn't care, and the pathological liar, who lies almost as a default, for whom lying is so instinctual and natural that he doesn't even realize he is doing it most of the time.  Sometimes the inveterate liar is more dangerous because he can mix in a few truths to appear reasonable.  But the pathological liar is someone who needs help.  I'm not sure what you do with him, what can be done to minimize the harm he causes and help him rehabilitate.  But one of the very first things one most do with the pathological liar is to make sure he does not have a column on the Editorial Page of the New York Times.

Kristol did more than cite an erroneous fact.  He has lost himself in his own web of finely spun horseshit.  He is inextricably entangled in it, and he is ensnaring the Times in the process.

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  •  Ye Olde Tippe-Jar (25+ / 0-)

    And thank you for your support

    I cried when I had no shoes... until I met a man who had no feet. And I said, "Hey, can I have your shoes?"

    by TheWurx on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 04:54:37 PM PDT

    •  Recommend! (6+ / 0-)

      just for "Zen master of lying." Actually, no explanation is needed for why it was a bad idea for the NY Times to hire Kirstol. This is a man who was one of the biggest cheerleaders for the war in Iraq and almost everything he said about it has proved to be untrue in the real world. So why hire someone whose predictions are virtually always wrong? And using the laughable NewsMax as a source for anything should be a firing offense. I know; I'm on NewMax's email list because I want to know what the right is thinking. "Omigod -- there goes Hillary on her broomstick!" That pretty much sums up NewsMax, now that their even more hated Giuliani is out of the race,

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

      by anastasia p on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:04:08 PM PDT

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      •  Hey, Anastasia! (1+ / 0-)

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        Dallasdoc

        This is the second time in two days I got a comment from a writer I admired previous to DKos.  A. Whitney Brown commented on a diary I wrote the other day, and now you...

        I was born and raised in Cleveland and I frequently read your work in Scene Magazine.  I have long been an admirer of your work... Thank you so much for the rec!

        I cried when I had no shoes... until I met a man who had no feet. And I said, "Hey, can I have your shoes?"

        by TheWurx on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:08:52 PM PDT

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    •  Another recommend for this (2+ / 0-)

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      We live in a world where liars somehow achieve a Ph.D. in lying and acquire the title "spin doctor."  

      Actually, I think Kristol is worse than any of these things you cite.  He has achieved the pinnacle of cynicism in which he no longer cares whether he's right or wrong, lying or telling the truth, as long as he can construct an argument for his own side.  It's immaterial to him whether he's wrong or lying.

      That's far worse than being a mere liar, like John Tierney or David Brooks.  That's not even giving a damn.  The NYT has actually found a columnist lower than a mere liar.

      Hanoi didn't break John McCain, but Washington did.

      by Dallasdoc on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:44:31 PM PDT

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      •  Wm F. Buckely complex (0+ / 0-)

        I think Mr. Kristol wants to take over the mantle, in the sense of a debater who can argue both sides of an issue. And let's not forget that, like many other RW pundits, he's actually the second generation - his father was there first....and he's just following in the footsteps, like Jonah Goldberg, Tucker Carlson...

        "red hair and black leather, my favorite colour scheme" - Richard Thompson

        by blindcynic on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 08:18:21 PM PDT

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  •  anyone that is a contributor (0+ / 0-)

    to Fox News is either a right-wing no vision past my nose repub and has no business passing his column off as journalism.  He got caught lying to the public about Obama's being in church and now NYT's has egg on their face again

    They reported the McCain story and then backed off (no balls) and now this - go Enquirer status already - if we said it, it's fact - uh... yeah, sure!

    an anonymous person once said, "A man who lies about little things, will lie about big things."

    by marley619 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 04:59:37 PM PDT

  •  Ever watched Dick Cheney? (3+ / 0-)

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    It has always amazed me how he can sit there
    lying through his teeth while staring down an interviewer
    as if challenging him to question what he just said.
    Bill Kristol does it almost as well as Cheney.

    •  He doesn't really stare at you (0+ / 0-)

      He kind of looks sideways into space like he thinks you're beneath talking to.

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

      by anastasia p on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:05:07 PM PDT

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  •  what I think about Kristol? (0+ / 0-)

    almost as if he is embarrassed at the obviousness of his observation.

    He is embarrassed, because he knows everything he says, just like everything Bush does, is a retrograde ejaculation.

    We don't have time for short-term thinking.

    by Compound F on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:06:12 PM PDT

  •  He has never had an original idea in his life (0+ / 0-)

    Jon Stewart: "Oh, Bill Kristol..are you EVER right?"

    ps, just for fun: does anyone else think that bill kristol looks like a really hideous version of Anderson Cooper?

  •  He was dead on today. (0+ / 0-)

    How did I live without him?

    by Pumpkinlove on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:32:36 PM PDT

  •  I thought this would be about this lie: (2+ / 0-)

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    Gunsmoke

    Remember the study that showed Iraq had no ties with Al Qaida?

    Well it was quieted, and now the propoganda machine is out in full force to minimize the damage.

    So William Kristol pens this piece of shit to give people talking points to continue to defend the mis-guided war.

    Ignore basic facts (Saddam had an APB on the only known Al Qaida agent in Iraq), while spinning madly that Saddam had links to people who had links to people who had links to people who later formed Al Qaida.

    I'm sure he'll be linking Rev. Wright to Saddam and Al Qaida by next week.

    Meanwhile, buried in an Arizona newspaper, is the simple fact that just like the majority of attackers in 9/11 were Saudi's, the majority of the suicide attackers, working like hell to prompt Shi'ite attacks by deeds like today where they attacked a Shi'ite shrine in Karbala, are to blame for the deadly attacks.

    Bush/Cheney response: Blame Iran/Syria.

    Congress response: Blame Iran/Syria.

    Media response by idiots like Kristol: Blame Iran/Syria.

    Thanks NYT. Thanks for keeping our country diving into oblivion.

  •  Kristol is a propagandist, nothing more. (2+ / 0-)

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    podster, MizKit

    Lying is part and parcel of his trade.

    To call him a "thinker" is laughable.

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