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Playing by the Rules? Clinton flouts the FEC

Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:45:39 PM PDT

Ordinarily, this would be the type of thing I'd roll my eyes about -- part and parcel of the "silly season".

However, we do not reside in ordinary times.  We're faced with a close primary and we're increasingly finding ourselves arguing over the seemingly small things.  Even though I'm an Obama supporter, I do believe that at least part of the reason we argue over the small things is because the candidates are so closely matched on their potential for providing America with a new, better direction.

Soooo... if you'll indulge me, follow the flip and we'll examine my contributions to the silly season for what they're worth.

I actually stumbled across this via a MyDD diary, but the main citation for the news comes from a WaPo blog posting titled "Move Over, Oprah; Hillary has Elton John".

Per the blog:

"There is nothing I like better than throwing a party for a good friend. Will you come out to support my friend Hillary Clinton at a special, one-night-only solo concert in New York?" John wrote in an email sent far and wide by the Clinton campaign to would-be supporters."

So far so good, Elton John is actually free to advocate for any candidate he wishes.  I don't begrudge him his opinion - however, here's where the trouble starts:

Tickets, which go on sale March 19, go for anywhere from $125 to $2,300 a seat, depending on whether you're more interested in seeing Elton John sing "Candle in the Wind" live or helping Hillary Clinton become president.

And those who help raise $10,000 for Clinton's presidential campaign "will be invited to a private reception with Elton John and the Clintons," according to the Clinton campaign Web site.

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Now -- less you think Elton has gone off the reservation and attempted an end-run around U.S. election law on his own, this is clearly a campaign sanctioned event...

{D'OH! -- late note - it appears DK doesn't allow me to embed images directly from the Clinton website}

The problem, as you might have guessed, is that foreign citizens are barred from contributing financially to U.S. federal, state, or local elections.

The FEC does walk a fine linein regards to the aid that can be contributed by foreign nationals.

Assuming John is volunteering his show -- we have to ask what sort of volunteer work is allowed by citizens of foreign nations, and which is not.  Perhaps Adam B could jump in on the interpretation - but my reading of the statutes and FEC guidance on the matter actually seems to indicate that Elton John cannot simply volunteer to hold a fundraiser, even a fundraiser wherein the contributions will come from US citizens, for Hillary Clinton.

From the FEC

Generally, an individual may volunteer personal services to a federal candidate or federal political committee without making a contribution.  The Act provides this volunteer "exemption" as long as the individual performing the service is not compensated by anyone.  11 CFR 100.74.  The Commission has addressed applicability of this exemption to volunteer activity by a foreign national, as explained below.

In Advisory Opinion 1987-25, the Commission allowed a foreign national student to provide uncompensated volunteer services to a Presidential campaign.  By contrast, the decision in AO 1981-51 prohibited a foreign national artist from donating his services in connection with fundraising for a Senate campaign. [2]

Now -- you can read Advisory Opinion 1987-25 if you like, but it doesn't seem to apply here.  The matter in question for AO 1987-25 basically allowed for a student who was   clearly defined as foreign national to volunteer for a campaign.  The student wrote the FEC asking for an AO on whether he could legally volunteer for a campaign, as he had gotten interested in US politics.

The FEC made clear that "contributions" were of a FINANCIAL nature were not allowed, but simple 'services' to a campaign were legal.
AO 1981-51 is much clearer on the matter of whether a foreign national can ply his or her art directly for purposes of securing financial contributions (even those from US citizens).

In AO 1981-51, Howard Metzenbaum's senate committee asked for AO concerning an artist -- a "foreign national" who wished to donate his/her art for purposes of a fundraising initiative

Your letter indicates that the Committee contemplates
obtaining a donation of volunteer services from an artist who is a
foreign national. The artist will create for the Committee an
original work of art that will be used for fundraising purposes
by the Committee. You explain that the artist will create for the
Committee "an original work of art by handpainting a number of
gouaches which are then reproduced in limited editions as a unique
Work of art by a unique process by persons working under the
artist's supervision." The artist proposes to allow the
Committee to produce a limited edition from the original works of
art (gouaches) created him, with the Committee to pay all costs of
production.

The FEC responds with a clear "NO" -- our interpretation would that this would be illegal

The scope of the current
statute, 2 U.S.C. SS 441e, clearly reaches beyond elections for
Federal office, and the term contribution as used here expressly
includes "money or other thing of value." Compare 2 U.S.C.
SS 441a. Accordingly, the Commission concludes that a foreign
national artist would be prohibited by 2 U.S.C. SS 441e from
donating his uncompensated volunteer services to the Committee to
create an original work of art for the Committee's use in
fundraising.

Now -- 2 USC 441e HAS been amended since this original FEC AO -- however, it doesn't appear that, if anything, the amendments actually CLARIFY directly along the lines of how the FEC originally interpreted the law.

Technically, we'd need a new Advisory Opinion on the FEC (and even then, an AO is interpretation -- or really, kind of a "highly educated interpretation" of how an agency views a law) -- but since the FEC still cites this AO regarding the question of 'contributions' by foreign nationals, we can safely assume that they still believe it valid.

Of course - if you read the original WaPo blog post, you'll notice there's mention of an Elton John "fundraiser" for Al Gore back in 2000.... but here's the key difference.

This from the CNN article cited:

The fund-raiser, at the home of Novell Corp. Chief Executive Eric Schmidt, raised $3.25 million for the Democratic National Committee.

Before John's performance, Silicon Valley venture capitalist John Doerr thanked Gore for his role in securing a landmark trade agreement with China.

Two key differences:

  1. The fundraiser was NOT a "concert" - rather, it was one of those infamous "per plate" dinners, hosted by and at the home of a US citizen.  
  1. The fundraiser was for the DNC -- while foreign national contributions are not allowed to parties, either -- the FEC has differentiated between candidates, "issue ads", and party donations.

In other words - we're not talking apples and oranges, but we might be talking McIntosh and Granny Smiths... which matters.

Of course - one thing I haven't been able to confirm is that Elton John remains a UK citizen.  He was born in England, continues to reside in England, and has been knighted (which, I believe, can only bestowed upon UK citizens), so I'm going to assume Sir Elton remains a British citizen.  If someone can provide information to the contrary -- you can safely ignore this entire diary:-)

Like I said, this stuff sort of gets into the 'silly season' -- but the race now is what it is...

I'm not personally going to file an FEC complaint, but hey -- if someone else wants to do so, who am I to advise against it!

Tags: 2008 election, FEC rules, Hillary Clinton, Elton John, fundraising (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  Tips and flames... (15+ / 0-)

    I guess, after certain elements of the Canadian government saw fit to get involved in our election, I'm a bit leery of foreign nationals playing a role in our elections....

    I guess everyone's got their own blog now.

    by zonk on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:50:02 PM PDT

  •  Wouldn't touch it and not worried (2+ / 0-)

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    zonk, nascardem

    I'm a Obama supporter. I do not see a point in this. Never cared for Elton John only because I'm not a big music person so it has nothing to do with Clinton on that. I just do not see the point of this one.

    Poll worked 7am to 5pm! Ran caucus till 10:30pm! Proud Texas dem!

    by AHiddenSaint on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:52:45 PM PDT

    •  Sure (1+ / 0-)

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      Lujane

      I take your point....

      But like I said - the issue here is that this would appear to be a very large fundraiser (in terms of the money I would expect it to raise).

      Like I said - the issue here isn't Elton John's support, it's the fact that he appears to providing a contribution directly used for fundraising.

      I guess everyone's got their own blog now.

      by zonk on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:58:53 PM PDT

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      •  I just rather raise above it as a Obama supporter (1+ / 0-)

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        ipsos

        There just something that seems wrong because I rather see Obama win this one without a tactic like that. I want us to win on merits not FEC in this case. It has to be something more unethical in my view for the FEC.

        Poll worked 7am to 5pm! Ran caucus till 10:30pm! Proud Texas dem!

        by AHiddenSaint on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:03:02 PM PDT

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        •  Well (1+ / 0-)

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          Lujane

          Let's be clear...

          If there were to be any FEC actions, I really doubt that she'd be removed from the ballot.

          She'd probably be fined, or at worst -- forced to return the contributions raised at this event.

          Considering the money involved here (tickets from 125 through 2300) -- it seems that we're talking about a substantial amount.

          Look - I'm NOT saying this is reason to "not vote for Clinton" -- I'm simply trying to tactically deny her warchest a huge haul.

          I think that's entirely legitimate.

          Nowhere in this diary (OK - I guess the title... I'll change if folks feel it's over the top) did I say that this draws the morality or fitness for office of Hillary Clinton into question.

          I'm simply trying to deny Clinton a big fundraising haul that would appear, per the FEC, to be illegal.

          I guess everyone's got their own blog now.

          by zonk on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:09:05 PM PDT

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          •  If the FEC is so nonfunctional (1+ / 0-)

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            musicalhair
            it can't stop McBush from violating overspending his cap as a recepient of federal campaign funds, how can it possibly go after this?

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            by anastasia p on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:43:52 PM PDT

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      •  They could pay him a $1000 for his performance (0+ / 0-)

        and pooof, problem solved. There are so many ways to do this that it's not even funny.

        I'm an Obama supporter but if Rocket Man wants to support the candidate of his choice, then he should go for it. I always measure things by thinking how I'd feel about the issue if this were to happen with Obama.

        And yes.. I'd love for DMB to do a show for Obama. I'll pay $500 to see that.

        _____________
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        by lizardbox on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:06:38 PM PDT

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        •  Maybe... (2+ / 0-)

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          Lujane, Fineena

          Look - as I said in the diary, the issue is NOT who Elton supports...

          The issue is whether Elton John, an apparent foreign national, can deliver this 'contribution' to the campaign of a US politician.

          I guess everyone's got their own blog now.

          by zonk on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:10:30 PM PDT

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        •  Paying Elton Makes the Problem Worse (2+ / 0-)

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          musicalhair, Fineena

          The reason is the Clinton campaign would have to pay him fair market value, and $1000 ain't fair market value for Elton John.

          This is an interesting area of election law that Zonk raises. I'm a little uncomfortable with any foreign national participating in a U.S. election process. I'd be even more uncomfortable if Céline Dion was performing. :-)

  •  Hmmm, interesting (2+ / 0-)

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    zonk, Lujane

    and I hope Adam B reads and comments.  Thanks, zonk.

    One tiny nitpick if you don't mind my being an ass -- it is "flauting," not "flaunting."  It is an easy mistake to make.

    My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:54:00 PM PDT

  •  Pssst: it's "flouts" here (1+ / 0-)

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    zonk

    Flaunt = show [something] off
    Flout = defy

    ...more or less

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    by Alden on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 05:54:29 PM PDT

  •  Can we talk about the environment? (2+ / 0-)

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    zonk, woodstock007

    Or Iraq? Or the economy?  Attacking HRC over this fundraiser is silly. I'm a Clinton person, but I think that if the shoe were on the other foot I would be rolling my eyes, too.  Both Obama and Clinton supporters need to stop looking for reasons to hate each other and bash the candidates. There are enough things to yap at each other about without reacing new levels of absurdity.

    •  There actually is a fundraiser court case that (1+ / 0-)

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      ipsos

      could be used to attack Clinton over that may result in a legal matter, but I do not care to use that here either. See that is the difference between true Obama supporters we aren't just looking to put up every little scandel that has been posted by right-wing websites.

      Poll worked 7am to 5pm! Ran caucus till 10:30pm! Proud Texas dem!

      by AHiddenSaint on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:00:11 PM PDT

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    •  I agree... (1+ / 0-)

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      Marie

      Like I said - the issue here isn't Elton John's advocacy, rather -- it's the fact that he's conducting what would appear to be a rather large fundraiser.   That would seem to be illegal.

      I've spent most of the day reading about Jeremiah Wright - so I guess I'm just a little more willing to dive into the silliness today.

      I guess everyone's got their own blog now.

      by zonk on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:01:14 PM PDT

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    •  Answer: (0+ / 0-)

      NO

  •  I grew up with Elton as a top 40 staple. (1+ / 0-)

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    zonk

    But my tastes were more toward Ruben and the Jets than Benny and the Jets. So I am a poor judge of EJ's current popularity. I am wondering if this will be much of a draw or rather another affirmation of HRC's living in a time warp? I bet Cher shows up.

    •  Oh - (0+ / 0-)

      I'll bet the show sells out.

      Elton John can still pack a venue.

      I guess everyone's got their own blog now.

      by zonk on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:12:06 PM PDT

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    •  My tastes were more with (0+ / 0-)

      Judas Priest and Black Sabbath. Elton John -pfft!

      We're retiring Steve LaTourette (R-Family Values for You But Not for Me) and sending Judge Bill O'Neill to Congress from Ohio-14: http://www.oneill08.com/

      by anastasia p on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:45:33 PM PDT

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    •  They're going for the 50+ demographic. (0+ / 0-)

      Not many 18-35 year olds who have an extra $2300 to shell out for a concert ticket.  Hillary's maxed out a lot of her donors, the key is to get people with a fair amount of spare cash who may not necessarily be interested in donating to a candidate, but who would be more than willing to spend five figures to hear the tunes they knew and loved in 1975.  Maybe the campaign can get Elton to wear the duck outfit.

  •  DOMA --- Guess Elton John (1+ / 0-)

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    zonk

    is cool with the American definition of marriage -- since it doesn't apply to him and his spouse in the UK.

    What FDR giveth; GWB taketh away.

    by Marie on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:09:20 PM PDT

  •  Interesting thing, (1+ / 0-)

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    zonk

    and something I think Sen. Clinton has to watch out for. Not too big a deal, but, you know...

    Anyway, do you think it would be a good idea to pay a McCain Tax?

    Define "victory" in the War on Terrorism.

    by goshzilla on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:11:34 PM PDT

  •  Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (2+ / 0-)

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    zonk, crankyinNYC

    Someone had to say it.

    McCain's 3AM ad is really a Flomax commercial.

    by jhecht on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:13:27 PM PDT

  •  Is he a permanent resident? (2+ / 0-)

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    zonk, sdgeek

    A permanent resident (green card holder) can make financial contributions same as a U.S. citizen, something I learned only this campaign cycle.  

    •  I don't think so (0+ / 0-)

      He still resides in the UK.  That's the only thing I cannot seem to confirm... you are correct, however, green card holders are not defined as 'foreign nationals' by the FEC.

      I guess everyone's got their own blog now.

      by zonk on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 06:16:51 PM PDT

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      •  He has a residence in Atlanta (0+ / 0-)

        and another in London. Most likely, he indeed does have a Green Card. Green Cards are easy to get for celebrities.

        Army 1st Lt. Ehren T. Watada, Lt. Cdr USN Matthew Diaz, SPC Eli Israel: true American heroes.

        by sdgeek on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:30:16 PM PDT

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  •  An odd nod to her legitimacy (1+ / 0-)

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    dinazina

    The first time I saw news of this concert, I thought, what a novel way to keep up the image that the Clinton campaign is still viable. Imagine two weeks before Texas and Huckabee holding a concert with ZZ Top to fundraise... this is what this concert feels like. But, hey if Sir Elton John wants to play a set or two on the Titanic...

  •  Elton's staff/roadies/backup (1+ / 0-)

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    frankzappatista

    would also have to donate their services, if they are foreign nationals.
    Also, what happens if you buy a $2300 ticket, but have already given the max, ... go to the concert ... then HRC has to return the money?

  •  there is nothing silly about it considering she (1+ / 0-)

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    khereva

    is being investigated for the "tribute to Bill Clinton" which was a fundraiser for her senate seat

    http://youtube.com/...

    an anonymous person once said, "A man who lies about little things, will lie about big things."

    by marley619 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:00:38 PM PDT

  •  abc news 20/20 (0+ / 0-)

    an anonymous person once said, "A man who lies about little things, will lie about big things."

    by marley619 on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:01:30 PM PDT

  •  Correction: this is not a close race. NT (0+ / 0-)

    "The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them." Orwell

    by NotablyZen on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:06:42 PM PDT

  •  AND IT SEEMS TO ME...... (0+ / 0-)

    You ran your campaign,
    Like a candle in the wind,
    Never knowing where to turn to
    When the pain set in.

    And I would have liked to know you
    But you acted all full of shit
    The Candle blew out long before
    Hillary's legend ever did.

    Goodby HRC
    We never knew you at all
    You say the press had it in for you
    You had the courage to quote SNL
    While those around you cringe

    And It seems to me
    you lipped your lies
    Like a candle in the wind
    Geraldine launched the racist smear
    Knowing exactly the race conversation
    You wanted her to begin.

  •  Likely perfectly legal (0+ / 0-)

    I don't know Elton John's immigration status, but since he has a residence in Atlanta, odds are that he has a Green Card. That would make this concert perfectly legal (and Constitutionally protected under the First Amendment).

    Army 1st Lt. Ehren T. Watada, Lt. Cdr USN Matthew Diaz, SPC Eli Israel: true American heroes.

    by sdgeek on Mon Mar 17, 2008 at 07:33:36 PM PDT

  •  "Don't Stop (0+ / 0-)

    Thinking about tomorrow
    Don't stop It will soon be here.
    It'll be here, better than before
    Yesterdays gone, Yesterday's gone."
      -Fleetwood Mac

    Relevant in 1992
    Fleetwood Mac and HRC not so much in 2008

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