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bin Laden says: Iraq is 'perfect base'

Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:50:13 PM PDT

For those of you who don't think bin Laden will try to influence the U.S. elections, consider his recent pronouncements that Iraq is the perfect base for setting up an Al Queda regime.

Sometimes, we really do have to think like John McCain. The world these days is Stratego or Risk on steroids, and it doesn't hurt to sometimes think like a military man. Which is why Jim Webb of Virginia, rather than being a good  Obama running mate, would make a good secretary of defense (almost the bizarro-world of Rumsfeld).  

So, from a military and strategic standpoint, it's a brilliant move by Osama to say that Iraq is the perfect base for Al Queda.

On first glance, you might think that this kind of statement merely enhances the argument against further entanglement in Iraq, and, especially, the argument that the U.S. should never have been there in the first place.

However, Osama's argument actually helps McCain, and McCain will trumpet the quote during the election by declaring that when we leave, Iraq will become a haven for Al Queda.

Osama wants McCain to win because he is convinced that the Taliban revolt in Afghanistan sent the Soviet Union to its demise, and that a continued American presence in Iraq will do the same.

Oddly, he's wrong on the first count, and possibly right on the second. Although there is no doubt the foibles of the Soviets in Afghanistan did nothing to help prop up an already bankrupt system, it was nothing more than the Soviet version of Vietnam. Afghanistan had much less to do with the fall of the Soviet Union than did the incredible domino effect that followed the Helsinki accords. If you need background on this, nothing is more eloquent, or complete, than Tony Judt's Postwar, A History of Europe Since 1945.

Right or wrong about his attitude about the Soviets, Osama is being proven correct on an almost daily basis about his strategy for defeating America. This is a strategy he laid out a long time ago, and one that Bush, that President-on-a-brain-stem, decided to lend a hand to from almost his first day in office. The strategy is simple, and is as brilliant as the tactical strategies he used to destroy the Twin Towers. Suck the United States into a protracted war in the Middle East, and watch  its economy collapse.

What's really a pisser about all this is that Osama is not so smart that he could have come up with this scenario all on his own.

Nobody is, actually. It's like when New Coke came out and there was all this outrage for the original Coke. No marketing guy is that smart to generate that kind of brand demand, but it happened.

Nope. Osama got his boys in planes and they did a nasty, but tactically brilliant thing, but I can't imagine that he thought the U.S. would give him this great strategic  blunder on a platter the size of the Alaskan oil fields. In fact, I bet he was counting his fingers every night during the first few months, after the U.S. attacked Afghanistan and drove him into Tora Bora.

But now he has his enemy in his crosshairs.

And John McCain, hero, ready to carry on the tradition of King George.

If you were Osama bin Laden and wanted to finish off the U.S., who would YOU vote for?

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  •  yes, "Osama Bin Laden" helps Bush & McCain stay (0+ / 0-)

    in Iraq.

    Not surprised in the least.  

    "There have been tyrants, and murderers, and for a time they can seem invincible. But in the end they always fall. Think of it. Always." -- Mahatma Gandhi

    by duha on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 08:55:07 PM PDT

  •  Hey if bin Laden didnt exist... (0+ / 0-)

    we'd have to invent him.

    1001 convenient uses. ( AHhhhhhHHHHhhh )

    But wait, there's more. ( OOOOOOOOOooooOOooOO )

    Order 2 binLadens and we throw in one Egyptian Doctor... ( YAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY )

    Yesssssssssss... that's right..

    You get a free Zahwahiri.

  •  typo (0+ / 0-)

    Nope. Obama got his boys in planes and they did a nasty,

    i assume you meant osama.

  •  Don't let Faux News Spin this. (0+ / 0-)

    Don't like Faux News Spin this.  Stand up to the Dems. in Congress.

  •  West Coast time (0+ / 0-)

    Going to watch a real oxymoron: "Larry King Live".

  •  Osama loves to pull their chain (2+ / 0-)

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    BWildered, NotablyZen

    It's just so easy that he must be ashamed of himself. Bin Laden said several years ago that he wished to bankrupt the US as he did with Russia in Afghanistan. Apparently we haven't blown enough billions in Iraq according to McCain and Bush. They need more encouragement from bin Laden.

  •  You assume a) he is alive, b) he is a simpleton (1+ / 0-)

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    BWildered

    who thinks on the same level as George Bush ("nyah nyah I'm going to camp out in Iraq and you can't stop me nyah nyah") c)that your source is accurate, and d) that the fact that Bush, squandering our tax dollars on a senseless bloody occupation, puting zilcho effort into trying to find bin Laden, and not having found the terrorist who supposedly is priority number one, is of a lesser order of outrage than whatever recent pronouncement bin Laden is supposed to have made.

    All of these assumptions might be wrong.

  •  Didn't bin Laden pull something (1+ / 0-)

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    G2geek

    like this in 2004? Telling people to vote for Kerry a week before the election?

    •  Love your Kucinich post (1+ / 0-)

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      G2geek

      But, yes, I think he may have. If he did, he's even smarter than I thought. Yes, I sort of remember that, but I'm not gonna google it.

      -- http://thegoreyears.wordpress.com

      by chuckwh on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:20:39 PM PDT

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      •  not particularly smart, just cunning (0+ / 0-)

        Much of the Middle East works on the basis of using language or acts to manipulate others whose reactions are predictable.  

        For example:

        Palestinian guerrillas fire a missile into Israel.  They don't even have to hit anything significant, any street in any city will do as a target.

        Predictably, the Israeli government goes into massive retaliation mode against the people in the area from which the missile was fired (easy enough to calculate the ballistics).  

        And predictably, the Israeli response ends up recruiting more Palestinians to join the guerrillas.  

        The Palestinian guerrillas know how the Israeli government will react, so they fire their missile with the deliberate intent of provoking the Israeli response that will have the effect of recruiting more people to their (the guerrillas') cause.  

        This sort of stuff is primitive manipulation of human emotions at the reptile-brain level.  It works only so far as people fail to recognize it for what it is and allow it to work on themselves.  

        The proper response (by civilians not engaged in our national defense) to Bin Laden making any noise about America or American foreign policy should be, "he can go f--- himself."

    •  Nevermind (0+ / 0-)

      After looking into it, he came out with a video saying neither Bush nor Kerry could keep us safe. But it's widely accepted that the timing of the video helped Bush, for reasons that defy normal human logic.

    •  "bin Laden" is a Bushco sockpuppet (0+ / 0-)

      and nothing more.

      These tapes are a ridiculous joke, and only believed by the 50% of the population who are below average.  

      REad this:

      http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

      When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing
         

      By William M. Arkin
      Special to washingtonpost.com
      Monday, Feb. 1, 1999

      "Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government." So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner, former Commander-in-chief, U.S. Special Operations Command.

      At least the voice sounds amazingly like him.

      But it is not Steiner. It is the result of voice "morphing" technology developed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

      By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner's voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile. Steiner was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape.

      Steiner was hardly the first or last victim to be spoofed by Papcun's team members. To refine their method, they took various high quality recordings of generals and experimented with creating fake statements. One of the most memorable is Colin Powell stating "I am being treated well by my captors."

      "They chose to have him say something he would never otherwise have said," chuckled one of Papcun's colleagues.

  •  al-Qaeda's greatest battlefield was Iraq. (0+ / 0-)

    As soon as we leave they'll be waging a war against fellow Muslim Arabs who want nothing more than to wipe them out.  They'll go from battling imperialists to invading another nation.

    "The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them." Orwell

    by NotablyZen on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:20:28 PM PDT

  •  I hope membership in Al Quaeda goes (0+ / 0-)

    the way of witches in the 17th Century.

    For a while there were so many of them, and from what I understand, posing quite a threat.

    And then later, there weren't so many.

    Amazing how a good campaign of arrests and tortures can wipe out a threatening group.

  •  This latest statement is bin Ladin's endorsement (0+ / 0-)

    of McCain--indirect, of course. Just like his "endorsing" Kerry was done because he'd rather have Bush in the white house. With other presidents, speculating like this might be tinfoil hat territory, but with chimpy, it's not even all that much of a stretch to see it as deliberate. When he says Iraq would make a perfect base, he knows he has the Republicans and their compliant American MSM to spin that for him. They will play it mostly as OBL making a direct challenge to American power ("he wants us to lose/surrender in Iraq!"), and he knows continued occupation will help his cause.

    The strategy is simple, and is as brilliant as the tactical strategies he used to destroy the Twin Towers. Suck the United States into a protracted war in the Middle East, and watch  its economy collapse.

    What's really a pisser about all this is that Osama is not so smart that he could have come up with this scenario all on his own.

    Nobody is, actually. It's like when New Coke came out and there was all this outrage for the original Coke. No marketing guy is that smart to generate that kind of brand demand, but it happened.

    Actually, I think the motive of sucking the US into a war in the Middle East was attributed to him before we went to war with Iraq. But the war he was going to start was supposed to be Afghanistan. Iraq for him was a bonus. At least that's my guess.

    Whenever we dumb down the political debate, we lose. -Barack Obama

    by klizard on Thu Mar 20, 2008 at 09:49:40 PM PDT

  •  You need to learn a few things (0+ / 0-)

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

    When Seeing and Hearing Isn't Believing
       

    By William M. Arkin
    Special to washingtonpost.com
    Monday, Feb. 1, 1999

    "Gentlemen! We have called you together to inform you that we are going to overthrow the United States government." So begins a statement being delivered by Gen. Carl W. Steiner, former Commander-in-chief, U.S. Special Operations Command.

    At least the voice sounds amazingly like him.

    But it is not Steiner. It is the result of voice "morphing" technology developed at the Los Alamos National Laboratory in New Mexico.

    By taking just a 10-minute digital recording of Steiner's voice, scientist George Papcun is able, in near real time, to clone speech patterns and develop an accurate facsimile. Steiner was so impressed, he asked for a copy of the tape.

    Steiner was hardly the first or last victim to be spoofed by Papcun's team members. To refine their method, they took various high quality recordings of generals and experimented with creating fake statements. One of the most memorable is Colin Powell stating "I am being treated well by my captors."

    "They chose to have him say something he would never otherwise have said," chuckled one of Papcun's colleagues.

    Click on the link.  It keeps going.  And this is from 1999.  Nine years ago!  

    IN other words, why in the world would you assume an audiotape of the voice purported to be him (gosh, the CIA says it's him, it MUST be true!) is actually him?

    Think about it -- what is the bullshit that Bushco keeps spewing to us -- that we have to stay in Iraq so it doesn't become a haven for Al Queda?  And lo and behold two days later an audiotape from OBL saying "gosh, Iraq is the perfect place for us to set up shop" comes out ....

    If you don't suspect something fishy there ....

    •  You may be right ... (0+ / 0-)

      I don't as a rule subscribe to conspiracy theories, but I would never try to suggest it isn't possible. Part of the reason for my not believing conspiracy theories is that, if even a small percentage of them are true, Obama will be dead a year from now. I'd rather not think about that possibility. So, if you don't mind, let me revel in my ignorance.

      -- http://thegoreyears.wordpress.com

      by chuckwh on Fri Mar 21, 2008 at 07:38:41 PM PDT

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