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A 'Typical White Person' Talks About Racism and Prejudice

Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 06:20:15 AM PDT

No doubt you've heard the "typical white person" line from Obama's interview after the "More Perfect Union" speech:

"The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity. She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."

The right has latched onto this as a sign of latent racism and is pounding him over the head with it as if he were both a racist and a ungrateful grandson.

In fact, it seems you can hear Obama, as he is speaking, realize he is about to step on a political land mine and re-phrase what he was going to say--that a 'typical white person' will sometimes react poorly when the see a black person they don't know.

It would have been an unfortunate phrasing, but it would have been true.

No.  I am not saying that the 'typical white person' is a racist, any more than Obama did.  And I suspect that everyone who was listening knew exactly what he was saying--That we invariably pre-judge strangers by their appearances.

We all do it.  Black, white, Asian, whatever.  Because prejudice (in the sense of pre-judgement) is a survival skill we are taught very early on.

And prejudice (in this sense) does not necessarily mean racism.

What do I mean?  At the risk of tiptoeing through my own political minefield, let me explain.

Imagine yourself as a white person walking down an inner-city urban neighborhood when a group of young black males swagger towards you with the arrogant braggadocio of youth.  They have their pants hanging low, ball caps on crooked, and are acting as if they own the sidewalk.  (or, if you prefer, imagine yourself as a black person walking down a small town in rural Georgia when that same pack of males, only this time white with mullets, wearing NASCAR shirts and blue jeans and sporting confederate flag tatoos).

Now, unless you are an 'atypical' person, you are going to feel uncomfortable.  Not because the individuals you see are of one race or another, but because of the sum total of the cues you have picked up.  Which are (among others):

  1. Young males in a group.
  1. Aggressive behavior
  1. Dressed in a fashion you associate with thuggishness
  1. You're out of your environment
  1. Your race is different than theirs

These clues tell you that this encounter may lead to some sort of peril.  And of them, the race of the strangers is only one part of the evaluation you are making of the situation.

Now, your brain tells you there's every chance in the world that they might not even notice your presence at all.  Or care.  

But you don't know this.  And the unknown can be scary.

What you do know is that your very presence in front of that group of men could possibly be a flash point for unpleasantness.  

You may find yourself doing something uncharacteristic--like crossing the street before you meet them, or ducking into a storefront. A reaction that 'comes out the wrong way'.

And while you do it, you ask yourself, "Am I a racist?"

But is this sort of behavior really racism?  Or is it a manifestation of the realization that strong racial tensions exist in our society, and you are stepping into a situation where your mere presence could elicit a reaction due to the contempt strangers of another race may have for you, or the mutual distrust between strangers that is heightened by this racial divide.

You have pre-judged this group of men, found there to be a chance of unpleasantness that you wished to avoid, and you acted on that judgment.

You exercised prejudice.

Now ask yourself:  Would you have done the same thing if the group walking towards you was still of the other race but was wearing business suits?  If they were elderly women?  If they were dressed as tourists and were snapping pictures?

If you are a 'typical' person, these latter scenarios would hardly raise an eyebrow.  The visual shorthand we use to evaluate the safety of a situation wouldn't be triggered at all.  The race of the other group wouldn't cause you discomfort.

But we don't like to admit, even to ourselves, that we would have used race to judge the first group of young males--that while the same group of males of your own ethnic group may very well have raised a few flags of caution in you, it was the racial difference that really makes the situation seem more dangerous.

Now there is an incredible variety of situations we find ourselves in every day--and they range in every possible spectrum from the simplistic example I posited above.  And in many cases the social analysis you make is far more complicated and harder to describe.  But in the end, in dealing with strangers, we invariably judge them by their appearances, because we have learned through our experiences that this is an effective way to keep ourselves out of trouble.

We would never begrudge anyone who won't let their kids play in a park where a creepy-looking guy in a trench coat was hanging out in for exercising prejudice.  Nor someone who locks their car door when stopped at a traffic light and a disheveled man staggers down the sidewalk shouting at people who aren't there.

Prejudice, again in the sense of pre-judgement, is an essential skill that we all learn.  And sometimes it overlaps uncomfortably with racial tensions.  And especially so the more ignorant you are of the other.

But it is when the only clue a person needs to pre-judge someone is the color of their skin that you enter into the realm of racism.  Racism is when this characteristic blinds a person to all other cues, and when this prevents that person from ever knowing the other for who they truly are.

I, like Barack, had the great good fortune to be raised in Hawai'i.  (In fact, I could stretch it to even say, truthfully, that we went to school together, but that would imply some level of familiarity which does not exist.)  In Hawai'i, racial tensions do exist, but they take on a much more multi-polar dimension that seems to greatly reduce the intensity with which they are felt as compared to on the Mainland.  Perhaps the best evocation of this condition is in an essay penned by another schoolmate of  mine, Allegra Goodman:

Six years before she taught my class, Mabel Hefty had taught a boy named Barack Obama who grew up to name her as his favorite teacher for her ability to make "every single child feel special." To Mrs. Hefty, special did not simply mean loved--special meant singular. This was a particularly strong message to her diverse students. Mrs. Hefty's students were Chinese, Japanese, Hawaiian, Korean, Tongan, white, and, more often than that, hapa, a combination of many races and traditions. On the surface, our classroom looked like a melting pot. A girl with honey blond hair, cafe-au-lait skin, and green eyes might say proudly, "I'm part Hawaiian, part Portuguese, part Chinese, and part Irish." And, yet, despite this melding of cultures--indeed, because of it--we were all struggling to define ourselves and find a place in the world. What did it mean to live in Hawaii--especially for those of us who had no native Hawaiian ancestry? Were we immigrants? Invaders? Americans?

[snip]

To envision a world where racial identity is more fluid, where men and women are more mobile, and where segregation is a thing of the past is not to envision a post-racial world. Obama knows this, as anyone who has lived in Hawaii must. The lovely tropical home of so many diverse people is not beyond distinctions--it is all about them. Tensions simmer between native Hawaiians and newcomers. The rich layered cultures of Polynesia, Asia, and America bump up against bigotry and ignorance, often voiced in racist jokes and sometimes expressed in physical violence.

It is a world both more harmonious and more discordant than the world in which I now live: The mainland United States.

Everyone who grows up in Hawai'i, where there is no single dominant ethnic group, has friends from all of the Islands races. And some that are all of the island races.

It is this deep realization of the superficiality of race that comes from living in such a society that seems, to me, to pervade Obama's words and actions.  But he also learned another lesson that all Hawaiian children learn--
They also know that in the wrong part of town, around the wrong individuals, their race may be cause for ridicule, shame or aggression.  That what is so invisible in one instance can become the only thing that is seen in another.  

This is what Obama was getting at when he said his grandmother had reactions like a "typical white person".  She sometimes had to use very little information to judge others and that this complex situational calculus can sometimes cause unfortunate reactions.  If he were referring to his Kenyan grandmother and her reactions towards whites or the dominant Kikuyu tribe, he may have referred to her as a "typical Luo". Because it is typical behavior.  It would be bizarrely atypical for a person not to factor racial differences into these (often unconscious) evaluations given the existing racial tensions that exist in their culture.

Would it have been more felicitous if he had referred to her as a "typical person"?  Sure.  But of course, the context was her past reactions to minorities, so the formulation was a natural one.

But everyone who heard him utter those words, in the context of the conversation, knows exactly what he was talking about.  And they know someone they love who they would describe, if they could bear the honesty, in the same way.  

And for most of us, that person would be ourselves.

Barack Obama, 1974.

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  •  I would be interested to know (15+ / 0-)

    if my perspective has perhaps blinded me to some facet of this issue that is obvious to you from your experience.

    Aloha.

    Abe: My Homer is not a communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a porn star!

    by Sylvester McMonkey Mcbean on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 06:21:44 AM PDT

    •  I'm a Black Person (3+ / 0-)

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      and I get nervous when I see certain people walking down the street. They may be perfectly respectable, but like you mentioned, there are prejudices ingrained in all of us, black, white, brown, yellow, orange, and green. Heck, even if I see a white person dressed in the "gangsta" style I'll be careful not to look at them. Now I've never gone so far in any case to cross to the other side of the street, I tend to just try to act like I haven't seen the person.

  •  Nice diary (4+ / 0-)

    And that pic is great.  I love that he's flashing the peace sign.

    "It's naive to say that we will never use nuclear weapons." -- John McCain, August 5, 2007, Republican Presidential Debate

    by stinky mcgee on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 06:32:23 AM PDT

  •  "Typical white person" is a statement (2+ / 0-)

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    that divides rather than brings people together. We are all Americans no matter what color or race.  It was a bad choice of words.

    "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

    by Owllwoman on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 06:34:11 AM PDT

    •  why I am white and was not offended by it. (3+ / 0-)

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      Owllwoman ever ride as a passenger in a car with one of your friends and you enter a black area. You may still be carrying on a conversation but you notice your friend hit the door locks. I  have seen this many times  and I am sure you have too. Maybe you have done it yourself.

      Be honest, have you ever seen it or have you done it yourself. If so this is the behavior of a typical white person. So please spare me your indignation.

      •  This has nothing to do with being racists (0+ / 0-)

        but more to do with black crime.  I wonder now, how many UNC kids get nervous when a balck man walks up to them on the street after the President of their student body was shot in the face for her debit card and pin number?  To be nervous or outright scared would be more than justified, would it not?  Or the students of Univ of Tenn after two of their students were raped, tortured, and burned alive by 5 black men?  So the students are racists?  

    •  I would agree (6+ / 0-)

      that taken by itself "typical white person" is an unfortunate phrase.

      But it is only through ignoring the message of what Obama was saying that the hurtful implications of that phrase can be seen.

      It requires special pleading to claim that this reflects what Obama feels, especially since you have to ignore everything else he was saying in that response.

      It isn't Obama who is dividing us--It is his critics who are consciously and cynically distorting his message to play upon our nation's racial tensions.

      Abe: My Homer is not a communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a porn star!

      by Sylvester McMonkey Mcbean on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 06:50:04 AM PDT

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    •  As a hard rule (1+ / 0-)

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      I would never advise a politician or any individual to use the word "typical" followed by an ethnic group/religious affiliation/skin color/nationality/gender/or sexual orientation.

      There really is no such thing as a typical woman, typical gay, typical Latino, typical Catholic, or a typical Asian. I know our minds compartmentalize this way, but I'd highly suggest avoiding such langauge. Besides, it's not smart politics for Obama (not that I think he said it this way on purpose mind you) as it will only fuel wingnut fires.

      The Book of Revelation is not a foreign policy manual.

      by Dont Just Stand There on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 06:59:31 AM PDT

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    •  Well, I prefer to extract the full meaning... (0+ / 0-)

      ...rather than nitpick the on-the-fly choice of a single word.

  •  More rhetorical gymnastics... (1+ / 0-)

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    From Obama supporters who will contort themselves in all sorts of ways to forgive, rationalize, distort and make excuses for the deeply troubling revelations of Jeremiah Wright and Obama's opinions about race and America.  Coming from any other candidate, the last two weeks would have been absolutely fatal. But not for do-no-wrong Barry!

    •  Maybe you should consider (3+ / 0-)

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      why this isn't fatal for Barry.

      In my estimation it is because the outrage is as false as the accusations.

      Abe: My Homer is not a communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a porn star!

      by Sylvester McMonkey Mcbean on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 06:46:13 AM PDT

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    •  Your name with the evil in it probably speaks (6+ / 0-)

      more truth than you do. Did you watch the whole video.
      If you did you know that Rev.Wright quoted Ambassador Peck. Those were Pecks words. But notice that never is discussed by the MSM.

      Rev.Wright went on that those words were uttered by a white person, not a black preacher.

      So maybe those who oppose Obama just want to believe the worse and do not have the intellectual honest to find out the whole story.

      •  You are probably not up to date on your (0+ / 0-)

        classic 60's television, wherein many female characters had "evil twin sisters" like I Dream of Jeannie and Bewitched, but your pop culture illiteracy is no matter to me.  My member name is a riff on that, but judging from your post, perhaps you don't get the playful irony.  maybe you were born in 1990. But call me evil if you wish.

        As to Wright - any idiot can call themselves "Reverend" - he spoke many times to many issues: Citing the US of KKKA; accusing the US of promoting black genocide by releasing the AIDS virus; stating that 9-11 was an instance of chickens coming home to roost; saying Goddamn America.  Was he paraphrasing Ambassador Peck each time he said these things?  

        What amazes me about the defense of Obama and Wright on this site is how tone deaf you all are to how this plays in middle America.  You spend your time trying to legitimize Wright's diatribes.  You don't see that perhaps in the coffeehouse or the university these things might be debatable, but in politics, where symbolism matters, patriotism is a blunt instrument, and with it Wright has bludgeoned Obama's chances to ever be president.  

    •  Stop swiftboating -nt- (0+ / 0-)

      To me, the absolute most important issue ANY of us has, and this nation has, is that we are currently being ruled by a gang of immoral war criminals. -Hornito

      by discocarp on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 06:57:26 AM PDT

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    •  You write... (1+ / 0-)

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      ...revelations of Jeremiah Wright and Obama's opinions about race and America...

      Exactly which of Obama's opinions do you find troubling?  Please quote it.

      You may be confusing what Wright says with whay Obama thinks.

      •  Many Americans believe that character... (0+ / 0-)

        and judjgment, two qualities upon which he has based his entire campaign, is reflected by the company you keep.  No one wants to admit to that simple fact. Countless years sitting in that church - with his indignant, entitled wife, and with his impressionable young girls. Doing so is a de facto endorsement of Wright's hateful words.  

        And Obama's "typical white person" comment did come from his own mouth.  But let's give him a pass on that too - he didn't really mean it the way it came out.  Truth is, we don't know what this man really means, or what he really believes.  He is a packaged post-racial confection, and the candy coating is finally starting to come off.  

        •  "Countless" years? (0+ / 0-)

          Your hyperbole is getting in the way of your point.

          And this:

          with his indignant, entitled wife,

          is an unfair and hurtful characterization.

          Please think how you are portraying yourself when you make these sorts of comments.

          Abe: My Homer is not a communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a porn star!

          by Sylvester McMonkey Mcbean on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 08:46:43 AM PDT

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    •  you are going to be attacked for typing this (0+ / 0-)

      but you are correct.  Can there be any doubt concerning the outrage when some right wing nut job says 9/11 was caused by gays???  There is no doubt if it was "A typical black paerson" comment, or some David Duke nut job preaching about "Old Black Men", it would have been the death nail to anyone in the building running for anything including dog catcher.

      •  Comparing (0+ / 0-)

        Obama's "typical white person" comment to claiming 9/11 was caused by gays is pretty specious.

        And comparing David Duke to Rev. Wright is a unfair and gross mis-characterization of the man and his message.

        Abe: My Homer is not a communist. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a communist, but he is not a porn star!

        by Sylvester McMonkey Mcbean on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 08:58:20 AM PDT

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  •  Missing the point (7+ / 0-)

    The media and wingers are missing Obama points.   I listen to Obama "typical white person" clip in full context and this is how I see it.  Obama is saying that a "typical white person" does not harbor any racial animosity, but because of their experiences they react to strangers in a way that sometimes come out wrong, that is normal it our society.   In other words " a typical white person" is not a racist.  

    "The point I was making was not that Grandmother harbors any racial animosity.  She doesn't. But she is a typical white person, who, if she sees somebody on the street that she doesn't know, you know, there's a reaction that's been bred in our experiences that don't go away and that sometimes come out in the wrong way, and that's just the nature of race in our society."

  •  When walking through a land mine (1+ / 0-)

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    we are bound to have some problems.
    I think you've made some excellent points.

    Be the change you want to see in the world.

    by empathy on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 06:43:45 AM PDT

  •  One can nitpick every single word a person says. (1+ / 0-)

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    But, in the end, the point remains the same.  "A typical white person" is no more a slur than "your typical banker", or "your typical confederate", or "your typical Starbucks customer".  Typical is simply a word we use to describe a generic quality of something without getting into its complexities.  It means nothing...unless one is looking for a reason to be disdainful of the person using it.  If that's the case then any word, or tone, or twisting of your meaning (which will occur) will be fine.  I think a lot of white people in this country are having problems with a black man doing anything ambitious.  Especially white people over the age of 50.  The younger generation, under the age of 40, seem to be much more ambivalent to race.  Thank God for the revolution, too.  

    "I am here because of Ashley." - Unknown Obama supporter.

    by rainmanjr on Mon Mar 24, 2008 at 06:53:00 AM PDT

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