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Actually, Hillary has this sewn up.

Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:13:18 AM PDT

Weeks ago, we found out that Hillary had said that this would be over by February 5.  Since Barack Obama has come out ahead in delegates in almost every contest since then, it's hard to imagine why Hillary Clinton still feels the need to be in the race.  Let's be honest - if the roles were switched and Barack Obama had lost 30-14 (contests), had fewer delegates, less votes in the popular vote, less money and she had won all over the country - the DNC and everyone would demand that he step back, for the sake of the party.

She gets away with it now and with good reason.  Because it was only Senator Clinton who knew, as opposed to Barack or Howard Dean, that any delegate selected in this whole process was open to vote for any candidate.  Hell, Mike Gravel might even win this.  

While true, pledged delegates can cast their ballot for any candidate they desire - it takes a certain level of audacity to suggest that people selected by the popular vote or caucuses actually switch their vote for you.

Let's play a game:

John W McCain runs, loses the popular vote/states won, yet then mentions in an interview, "Oh I've not given up because in the electoral college, they can vote for whomever they want.  I'm not suggesting that they switch, and it may break their state law, but the vote would still count."

Would dKos deal with that calmly or recognize that for the democracy-stealing that it is?  In a Newsweek article, we are told that the pledged delegates might switch because they believe that it's the right thing to do.

A "good conscience" reason for a delegate to switch, Ickes told NEWSWEEK, would be if one candidate—such as, say, Clinton—was deemed more "electable."

Finally, I think we should elect Senator Clinton because of her imagination and acrobatics.  We all know that she told us (a few times) about sniper fire in Boznia, only to rush out and save a little girl who wouldn't leave her alone with her stupid flowers.  On NAFTA, she was against it, she told Ohio, and now we see her White House schedules telling people she was for it - a great job on the balance beam.

In the same interview with the Philadelphia Daily News as she said pledged delegates could switch, she said:

There are different ways to become a delegate, there are delegates from caucuses, there are delegates from primaries, and there are the appointed delegates, they’re all equal, they all have an equal vote – those are the rules of the Democratic Party. Now if you don’t like the rules, change them going forward but those are the rules. And they are there for a purpose, because if you go back and look 30 years ago, people were elected to Congress said, 'Wait a minute, this party is not running winning elections. We need to have a say, with all due respect,' so, they have a say. You know, the goals are very conveniently being interpreted, you know – Michigan shouldn’t count because of the rules and and we shouldn’t count the superdelegates even though the rules...You know, I think that doesn’t make sense.

First - Yay!  Caucus states matter.  They didn't before.

Second - We should go by the rules we agreed on but we shouldn't follow the rules on Michigan or Florida even though we agreed on them?  That is some nice work there, Lou.

So, although Hillary has this sewn up, through whatever rules she agreed to and wants to keep, through the 1600+ delegates Obama has who will certainly vote for her, through all of her imagination about past, present and future roles in the White House - I urge you to make calls, donate money and knock on doors to help get Obama a few more delegates (that will certainly go to Clinton).

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  •  GE and Re-elect sewn up, too (4+ / 0-)

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    Vermonter, wader, Jennifer Clare, kath25

    so don't worry about voting.

    It's like watching an unknown winning a boxing match vs. the world champ and asking him halfway why he didn't knock his opponent out in the first round.

    by bsmcneil on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:15:07 AM PDT

  •  Pledged Delegates Are Vetted by the Campaigns (3+ / 0-)

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    MrPlow, bsmcneil, kath25

    Other than the few states that directly elect delegates (I think NJ is one of those states, can't remember the others), the campaigns vet the people who stand as delegates.  There are usually many, many more people who want to be delegates than there are slots available.  Thus, the campaigns get to chose from people they know are zealously devoted to the candidate, and highly unlikely to switch their vote.  

    The revolution will not be televised, but we'll analyze it to death at The Next Hurrah.

    by DHinMI on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:16:27 AM PDT

    •  I believe nearly all (4+ / 0-)

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      N in Seattle, bsmcneil, lams712, kath25

      caucus states directly elect delegates -- that's certainly true in Iowa and Washington the two I have direct experience with. These delegates can, and in fact often do, switch. Of course, this will benefit Obama more than Clinton as we have already seen in Iowa.

      •  true, but in Washington... (0+ / 0-)

        In Washington this year, anyone who wants to be considered for election as a Congressional District delegate must declare a candidate allegiance in advance.  The presidential campaigns will be offered the opportunity to reject/approve those potential delegates before the CD caucuses are held.

        The operative text is on page 5 of the Washington State Delegate Selection Plan:

        5. Presidential Candidate Right of Review for District-Level Delegates and Alternates

        a. The State Democratic Chair shall convey to the presidential candidate, or that candidate’s authorized representative(s), not later than Friday, May 9, 2008 at 12:00 p.m., a list of all persons who have filed for delegate or alternate pledged to that presidential candidate. (Rules 12.D. & 12.F.)

        b. Each presidential candidate, or that candidate’s authorized representative(s), must then file with the State Democratic Chair by Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 5:00 p.m., a list of all such candidates he or she has approved, provided that approval be given to at least three (3) times the number of candidates for delegate men and three (3) times the number of candidates for delegate women, and three (3) times the number of candidates for alternate men and three (3) times the number of alternate women to be selected. (Rule 12.E.(1), Reg.
        16 4.23.)

        c. Failure to respond will be deemed approval of all delegate and alternate candidates submitted to the presidential candidate unless the presidential candidate, or the authorized representative(s), signifies otherwise in writing to the State Democratic Chair not later than Thursday, May 15, 2008 at 5:00 p.m.

        d. National convention delegate and alternate candidates removed from the list of bona fide supporters by a presidential candidate, or that candidate’s authorized representative(s), may not be elected as a delegate or alternate at that level pledged to that presidential candidate. (Rule 12.E. & Reg. 4.23.)

        The way to win is not to move to the right wing; the way to win is to move to the right policy. -- Nameless Soldier

        by N in Seattle on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:59:36 AM PDT

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  •  Feel free to help (4+ / 0-)

    her NOT switch delegates here in TX. We need help calling delegates and alternates using Obama's online calling tool. There are tens of thousands of delegates, and we need to remind them all to show up Saturday at their county conventions.

    Click here to get started. Don't say "y'all" unless you do naturally. ;-)

    "Not just with words, but with deeds." -- Barack Obama

    by kath25 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:18:24 AM PDT

  •  Gravelmentum! (5+ / 0-)

    John McCain: Beacuse lobbyists should have more power

    by Populista on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:18:44 AM PDT

  •  You left out (1+ / 0-)

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    bsmcneil

    that like Super Woman she can dodge bullets too!

    Words escape me, but deeds are always noticed

    by utopia on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:20:31 AM PDT

  •  The only thing she has sewn up is her clown suit (3+ / 0-)

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    bsmcneil, sam2300, jedley

    Let the great world spin for ever down the ringing grooves of change. - Tennyson

    by bumblebums on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:23:46 AM PDT

    •  perfect! (0+ / 0-)

      We can stop saying 'evil bitch' now - 'clown' is the perfect epithet for Hillary.
      Think about it - she's wacky, pretends to be someone she's not, contradicts herself to comic effect, has the funny hair and the ill-fitting pantsuit-like costume. Her efforts to prevent having a pie thrown in her face just earn her another pie. Then there's the melancholy (in her case, world-weary cynicism) lurking just behind all the phony optimism and cheer, as expressed by the giant painted grin that scares the bejeezus out of small children and real Democrats.

      Reader, suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of Congress. But I repeat myself... Mark Twain

      by jedley on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:41:17 AM PDT

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  •  Imagination is a great thing. (1+ / 0-)

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    bsmcneil

    Apparently, a lot of her "experience" is actually in her imagination. And so is the path to her nomination.

  •  The only thing she has sewn up (1+ / 0-)

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    bsmcneil

    is her win of the "Biggest Lies told by a Democratic Presidential Candidate this Election" award.

    "We should be able to deliver hot bottled water to dehydrated babies." John McCain

    by llamaRCA on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:34:38 AM PDT

  •  I am starting to think (0+ / 0-)

    that Edwards dropped out too early, according to Hillary Math, Edwards still has a shot at this thing.

    We should pressure the SD's and the DNC to allow Edwards to step back in, and also Kucinich as well.  They should all be allowed to come back, then let the SD's in Denver choose like you do when picking a backyard football/baseball team.

    "We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." --Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002-GWB

    by meatwad420 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 09:35:26 AM PDT

  •  Yes, indeed, she has a very vivid imagination (0+ / 0-)

    However, I'm looking more for the "vision" thing this time around.

    I can't believe she actually says some of the things she says! It would be funny if it weren't so pathetic.

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