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73,000 People in L.A. County Tonight Are Homeless

Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:13:57 AM PDT

73,000 in a single Southern Calif. County, that is hard to digest. I knew things were bad because I have written about the homeless quite a few times over the yrs but the numbers never seemed this big or shocked me in this way. In the last couple days my eyes seem to have been landing of stories along these lines. Even on Cspan this morning the topic was HB1 Visas and bringing in High Tech workers from overseas while we have so many out of work.

I don't want this diary to be about immigration, but about the poverty and the way it is growing here. In Ohio, where I was born and grew up, my old hometown newspaper had a shocking report. You may of seen it, many have picked up this story tho I haven't noticed it here at dkos yet.

From the Columbus Dispatch.

Nearly one in 10 Ohioans now receives food stamps, the highest number in the state's history.

Caseloads have almost doubled just since 2001, with 1.1 million residents now collecting benefits, according to the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services...

Advocates estimate another 500,000 Ohioans are eligible but not enrolled in the food-stamp program...

But as the price of milk, fruits and other groceries climb, advocates say, recipients can buy less and less with that $100.

"Food stamps provide only about $1 per person, per meal. Who in the world is buying groceries with that?" asked Lisa Hamler-Fugitt, executive director of the Ohio Association of Second Harvest Food Bank.

On average, food stamps are now providing less than two weeks of groceries.

"There's the presumption that folks have the cash to make up the rest. Well, they don't," Frech said.

Last year there were a few diarys and storys about some of our Congresspeople taking the Food Stamp Challenge where they try to eat on a buck a day. While interesting to read and watch has these politicians went semi-hungry for a week we and they always knew they could reach in their pocket any time. Yes, every one that tried that "diet" promised to work to fix the problem but as we know the wheels of government move slowly while grinding the poor into dust.

In todays LATimes is another story, one of those stories I just don't know how to react to. It hit me on so many levels especially after my readings of the last couple days. CNN , NBC, and the other Networks rarely run stories like this, or question those with the power to change thing about them. More proof of the Presses spiral down to stenographers level.

Ontario police clear out most of Tent City
After months of chaotic growth, the homeless encampment known as Tent City dramatically shrank Monday as Ontario police evicted those who lacked ties to the city...

Tent City began last July when Ontario set aside an area where its local homeless could rest without being hassled. It rapidly grew from 20 to more than 400 people -- some from as far away as Florida. People put up tents and parked decrepit motor homes along the streets. Parolees and probationers found their way to the site, which is near Ontario International Airport.

Officials, who intended the place for local people, feared Tent City was getting out of control and would turn into a new skid row. They decided to limit it to 170 people who had either lived in the city or had immediate family ties to Ontario...

A Tent City of 400 plus homeless being whittled down to 130 or so. After I read this story I tried to imagine what I would feel after being evicted form a Tent City. To be told you were worthy of being allowed to live on a patch of dust, in a tent, with maybe just a small bit of safety must be devastating to a person. There is yet those that are grateful to be among the lucky allowed back in.

This all brings me back to the title of this diary and the article it came from. The article is from the view of a Dr. that does instead of ousecalls, she does curbside, backalley, clinic and park services to the homeless in L.A.

According to the most recent information provided by the Los Angeles Housing Service Assn.(current as of October), about 73,000 homeless people seek shelter or are on the streets on any given night in Los Angeles County. There are fewer than 13,000 shelter beds in the county, so more than 60,000 people live in the streets. Twenty-five percent are part of a homeless family, 15% are under the age of 18, and according to a study by the nonprofit group Shelter Partnership, there are from 3,000 to 4,000 homeless people older than 62 in L.A. County.

When considering the causes of homelessness, the following statistics may provide some insight. Seventy-four percent of L.A.'s homeless are disabled in some way;
33% suffer severe mental illness; 35% are physically disabled; 42% struggle with addiction; and 50% are clinically depressed.

Farther on in the article a question is asked, one many ask but no one ever seems to be able to answer with action. It is the underlying course of thought the Democratic Party and Liberals should explore and help fix. I'll leave you with the question , but please read the story about this young Dr. and her friends.

If a disease emerged that struck hundreds of thousands of people and killed its victims at an average age of 48, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention would jump to attention and commit enormous resources to curing it. The National Institutes of Health would grant millions of dollars for research. Scientists who developed effective treatments would rightly be celebrated.

A disease like this does exist: homelessness. Its cure is widely available and even cost-saving. Studies show that one homeless person can cost a community hundreds of thousands of dollars a year in medical and legal expenses. Street medicine's hard choices

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  •   Tipjar (23+ / 0-)

    Some days I just hate that word "tipjar", it seems so out of place after certain storys.

    President Theodore Roosevelt,"No man can take part in the torture of a human being without having his own moral nature permanently lowered."

    by SmileySam on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:15:37 AM PDT

  •  tent cities (6+ / 0-)

    Tent cities or the like exist on the outskirts of many Latin American cities.

    LA and New Orleans are turning into Rio de Janeiro. The Latin American model of polarization of wealth is taking over here.

    Even Chile, that "economic miracle" of neo-liberalism, has a huge slum outside of Santiago. These are the areas you pass through, sometimes, on your way to and from the airport. Most tourists don't give them a second thought, except for a fleeting moment while, looking out of the window of a cab or a shuttle bus or an airplane window, they see a vast expanse, looking kind of like a strange, stained carpet.

    Whoever considers one person's life more valuable than another's will soon find himself unworthy of his own.

    by rilkas on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:20:09 AM PDT

    •  so true (6+ / 0-)

      Yesterday morning, there was a news item on the radio about how the price of a rental in Malibu and the Hamptons had gone up this year: 150,000/month would get you a pad in Malibu and 450K/month one in the Hamptons.

      PER MONTH.

      The Hampton's monthly rental is 5x my salary (at least). What is wrong with this picture? I don't begrudge people their luxuries. I have my own little luxuries too. However, who in the world needs to spend 450,000/MONTH on a vacation rental? Why not give the frikkin money to charity & stay in what is probably a cushy city apartment for a month?

      The extremes of capitalism are quite sad. I wish we had better social programs & better taxation of super wealth to fund them.

      "We are Americans and we choose to be inspired." - John Edwards

      by michele2 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:25:26 AM PDT

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      •  As Krugman has pointed out a number of times, (5+ / 0-)

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        we need to address both the disparities in income and the even greater disparities in wealth in this country.

      •  Everything's extreme here in CA (4+ / 0-)

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        especially when you think of the income levels of people who have to rent.

        Here in San Francisco Rents have skyrocketed once again. A two bedroom apartment in a decent neighborhood  for $2200 is a deal.

        And to make it worse, entrenched interests are trying to abolish rent control in San Francisco, Berkeley, E. Palo Alto, and Santa Monica in June with Proposition 98, a ballot measure that looks like an eminent domain law, but includes a provisions that repeals rent control.

        If Prop. 98 passes, there will be mass evictions in all the REnt Control cities.  Chaos.

        NetrootNews coming soon!

        by ksh01 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:35:19 AM PDT

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        •  ugh (1+ / 0-)

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          I do live in a rent control area. Thank goodness.
          When I lived in SF in the late 80s, my rent in a studio was 850/mo. I suspect that teeny place is now at least double.

          "We are Americans and we choose to be inspired." - John Edwards

          by michele2 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 06:11:06 AM PDT

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        •  Are people entitled to live in SF? (0+ / 0-)

          If it's too expensive where you live, move.

          Sorry.

          We're pro-choice on everything! - Libertarian slogan

          by CA Libertarian on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 08:19:41 AM PDT

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          •  oh jesus (2+ / 0-)

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            I'm sorry, but that's an ignorant response.

            Some people HAVE to live here, some have roots.  Our rent control ordinance is based in the WWII emergency legislation to protect housing for people needed in the work force.

            I'll repeat that for you:  PROTECT HOUSING FOR PEOPLE NEEDED IN THE WORKFORCE.

            Can you imagine a city without service workers?  No dockworkers, no pubic trans workers, street cleaners, waitresses, teachers even?  Try to picture your mother having to leave the city she was born in 80 some years ago because the waiting list for senior housing is three years long and her rent is skyrocketing.  Imagine a disabled person unable to stay in their home near their family due to escalating rents and evictions.

            And beyond that...have you even heard of inflation? Do you know that with the sub-prime crisis the rental markets across the country have been flooded while homes stand shuttered while banks try to figure out what to do with the property?

            Our rent control ordinance has been challenged constitutionally and over and over again the high courts (state and fed) have ruled that a city has the right to regulate rent and eviction under their police power.  Of course that points to a problem with the proposition in my mind, how can a state vote override a municipality's right to police power?

            That kind of anti-intellectual response does nothing to address the problem of housing in our country and shows no recognition of what our country looks like right now.  If that's libertarianism, I'll survive without it.

            NetrootNews coming soon!

            by ksh01 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 11:32:13 AM PDT

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            •  I disagree (0+ / 0-)

              And, as there is a point to be made here, I'll overlook that you opened with a personal attack.

              I fundamentally disagree that somebody has a right to live in a specific city.  Whether they grew up there, whether they have a job there, whatever.  There is cheaper, more plentiful senior housing in other areas.  There are buses and trains for commuting on.  People will get to their jobs because the city is where the jobs are.  And if you need to incent them more to make the commute, then businesses will just have to pay them more.  That's how the market works, and it works pretty damn well if you'll give it a chance.

              World War II ended 63 years ago.  Why are we defending ancient, 60-year-old legislation based on a war economy which doesn't exist any more?

              Rent control is as screwed up as proposition 13.  Don't get me started on that.

              We're pro-choice on everything! - Libertarian slogan

              by CA Libertarian on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 03:50:03 PM PDT

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              •  We Agree (0+ / 0-)

                On proposition 13, but fundamentally disagree on rent stabilization, which guarantees a fair return to property owners -- and the only reason they kvetch is because of this idea in our society that you are entitled to maximize profit providing services that are fundamental human needs.

                I've been working on housing issues all my adult life and I am confident that anyone who studies the issue of rent stabilization (even the old rent controls, which as I noted no longer exist anywhere in CA thanks to Costa-Hawkins) and compares all the myths that apartment owners' lobbying groups and greedy institutional absentee landlords scare people with about rent stabilization to the actual realities would agree that it is a necessary, useful tool to reign in an inappropriately capitalist marketplace in shelter, which is a fundamental human right.  I always find it quite ironic that mom and pop landlords can manage to be OK with reasonable rent increases and caring about what happens to their tenants and the folks with your view always manage to convince the Legislature differently just because the idea of $10 profit rather than $25 burns their butts.

                Just goes to show, money talks.  And it walks.  Always.

          •  I've Had this on My (0+ / 0-)

            Long long LONG list of diaries to write, the question of Proposition 98.  Considering that we just got done with Proposition 64 gutting the state's private attorney general statute without even blinking an eye merely because we bought the media hype about "abusive lawsuits", resulting in the loss of more than 100 pending lawsuits brought by public interes groups to rein in anti-consumer behavior in just 2 years, I have a very bad feeling about Proposition 98, which is the last step of the process that Jim Costa and his ilk have been working on since I first started working on affordable housing issues 25 years ago here in California.  

            There are already problems in rent stabilized cities (Costa Hawkins wiped out all full rent controls when it was passed in 1996, since all rents now reset to market price upon vacancy no matter what local ordinances like Berkeley's, EPA's or Santa Monica's and -- yes, most people don't know this -- Beverly Hills say on paper) as landlords are again actively systematically trying to move units out of controls by fracturing their legal ownership, and other cute tricks.)  It is only going to get uglier, and if Proposition 98 passes? It would wipe out even the modest controls that exist in places like Oakland, and make places like LA's tent city look tame.

          •  OK (0+ / 0-)

            Where do you move to?  Do you even live near San Francisco? How about Oakland (you'd agree, not exactly San Francisco, right?) Or any of the suburban cities? I wrote a diary last year about trying to help my son find an apartment for himself, SO and (now born) son and not being able to find anything to rent for less than $1,300/month that was accessible to their jobs (1 car family, and we all know about the joke that is Bay Area mass transit outside the city of SF itself) and that didn't have them in the line of gunfire (I probably could have compromised on the gunfire and gotten something around $1K/month - for a family that makes $20.)

            Perhaps your signature is indicative of your perspective on reality, but the reality is that the idea of "move" makes no rational sense for the poor.  Moving costs MONEY, and if you have no way to access the job that pays you money, in an economy where you have less than zero chance these days of finding a decent job if you are just a HS graduate, you don't MOVE.  You stay by the only resources you have (your current job, schools, family and friends.)

            The glibness of your comment, with neither thought nor empathy behind it, really irritates me.

            •  A spoiled, defeatist, entitled attitude (0+ / 0-)

              This country has been built on a tradition of immigrants.

              People who left everything behind to seek opportunity in America.

              They've come from Ireland, China, Mexico, Vietnam, other parts of Europe.  Often with very little.  Sometimes with much.  Usually not speaking English.  Often having to sell everything just to afford to travel here.

              Can't afford to move?  Give me a break.

              People who are really determined find a way.

              You can call it "glib".

              I call it setting higher expectations for personal responsibility.  And - yes - that is core to what Libertarians believe.

              The economy of this country is transforming.  Opportunities are greater in some parts of the country than in others.  If people are not willing to relocate in order to take advantage of opportunities and a better matched cost of living in other areas, they're ultimately hurting themselves.  And if they're soaking up money for government support in a region that can't economically sustain them, then they're ultimately hurting all of us.

              We're pro-choice on everything! - Libertarian slogan

              by CA Libertarian on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:02:33 PM PDT

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            •  Oh - BTW - I live right in Silicon Valley (0+ / 0-)

              And I have worked very, very hard to be able to afford to live here and raise a family comfortably.  My parents were middle class, I went to a state university and have supported myself since graduation.

              We're pro-choice on everything! - Libertarian slogan

              by CA Libertarian on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 03:06:05 PM PDT

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              •  I've Worked Very Very Hard Too (0+ / 0-)

                And I too live in Silicon Valley - except by choice I choose to remain in the 'Hood despite a quite decent living.  And I laugh at your spoiled - I grew up and through circumstances that have most folks here who can afford to be on the 'Net curled up with your thumbs in your mouths whining for your mamas.

                Your "you worked hard" dismissal of the circumstnaces of others who also work hard (my son works full time, and then raises his son; that is hard work and I do not appreciate the insinuated diss of that by the likes of you) yet cannot find a decent place to live is what is "spoiled". Who cares about your hard work? Hard work is no excuse for utter failure of moral decency, and your approach -- which mimics the approach of many folks I know who have your attitude -- on the issue of housing is nothing short of that.

                Oh, and don't give me that America was built by immigrant crapola.  I'm descended from slaves and it is my ancestors who built most of this country east of the Rockies, who made it even attractive for immigrants to come here with the trillions of dollars of wealth that slave labor produced.  

                •  without getting in the middle of this (1+ / 0-)

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                  ( if that's possible ) Your basic points are why Democrats and Libertarians will never merge. While we agree on many things, there are some serious differences too. This is been almost classic to watch.

                  President Theodore Roosevelt,"No man can take part in the torture of a human being without having his own moral nature permanently lowered."

                  by SmileySam on Wed Mar 26, 2008 at 09:20:38 PM PDT

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                  •  Yep, I cringe at much that is discussed here (1+ / 0-)

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                    Ultimately, as I have described before, I am supporting Barack Obama here because I want my children to grow up in a peaceful world.  A higher level of interference in local government is negotiable so long as we achieve that.  And - frankly - the Republicans are no different (e.g. No Child Left Behind).  I'm also hopeful that an Obama administration (unlike a Clinton one) would be significantly less corrupt.  Two very big things.  We have to start taking back this country and I consider those to be paramount.

                    Thank you for your civil comment.  I could have expected worse.

                    We're pro-choice on everything! - Libertarian slogan

                    by CA Libertarian on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:47:55 AM PDT

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                •  I don't appreciate being judged (0+ / 0-)

                  I lived with roommates for the first few years out here, bought a townhouse on the crappy side of San Jose at the first opportunity and rented half of it out, and saved saved saved.  I also consciously decided to delay starting a family until I could securely afford to move to a nicer area and support my wife taking time off with the baby.  Life is a series of choices, and I take full responsibility for mine and try to avoid complaining about the consequences of my bad choices.

                  I am utterly secure with who I am, and my compassion shows in how much I give and serve.  Which, by the way, is also a Libertarian ideal: charity.

                  It sure beats carrying around a chip on my shoulder.

                  We're pro-choice on everything! - Libertarian slogan

                  by CA Libertarian on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:41:17 AM PDT

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  •  There are times I think that it is looking (8+ / 0-)

    more and more like 1930 in this country every day. Many of the homeless are veterans. It is a shameful statement about what we value in this country that so many people have no place to call home.

    •  some stats people should know (3+ / 0-)

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      from the last article.

      When considering the causes of homelessness, the following statistics may provide some insight. Seventy-four percent of L.A.'s homeless are disabled in some way; 33% suffer severe mental illness; 35% are physically disabled; 42% struggle with addiction; and 50% are clinically depressed

      President Theodore Roosevelt,"No man can take part in the torture of a human being without having his own moral nature permanently lowered."

      by SmileySam on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:28:05 AM PDT

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    •  I've heard the D word bandied about (3+ / 0-)

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      I subscribe to several poultry-fancier and homesteading sites, and people are scared this will be another Great Depression.  Folks already are trying to minimize gas use, and worried their small farms won't feed the family, much less make a profit.

  •  nice diary smiley sam (3+ / 0-)

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    Have you looked into home foreclosures as a source of increase in homeless rates in that area?

    I don't want to take away from the seriousness of the issue as it already exists.  I just wonder if the mortgage mess has added to an already bad problem.

    NetrootNews coming soon!

    by ksh01 on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:26:45 AM PDT

    •   I think it may be too early to tell yet. (3+ / 0-)

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      I'm sure those number will trickle out slowly over the next couple yrs. I have not seen any numbers about  the effect yet.

      President Theodore Roosevelt,"No man can take part in the torture of a human being without having his own moral nature permanently lowered."

      by SmileySam on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:29:54 AM PDT

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  •  There is nothing worse than being (6+ / 0-)

    homeless. You cannot get services without an address unless you get into a homeless shelter.  Having no place to go is probably the most hopeless situation to be in.  These people need help.

    "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

    by Owllwoman on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:44:04 AM PDT

  •  Thank you for this diary. (3+ / 0-)

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    This is such an important issue, and issues - and people - are being ignored in the fury that is this primary race.

    "We struck down evil with the mighty sword of teamwork and the hammer of not bickering!" - The Shoveler

    by Pandoras Box on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 05:55:07 AM PDT

  •  re: (2+ / 0-)

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    Nearly one in 10 Ohioans now receives food stamps, the highest number in the state's history.

    Caseloads have almost doubled just since 2001, with 1.1 million residents now collecting benefits, according to the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services...

    But we're experiencing the GREATEST DECADE OF ECONOMIC EXPANSION IN HISTORY!!  And unemployment is at HISTORIC LOWS!!! And the economy is ABSOLUTELY BOOMING!  And there is only a SINGLE-STATE RECESSION, in Michigan!

    Ahmadinejad is a conservative

    by BlueEngineerInOhio on Tue Mar 25, 2008 at 07:44:51 AM PDT

  •  missed this (1+ / 0-)

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    yesterday.
    Thank you,Smiley Sam.
    peace

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