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Is America Turning Left? (Not a Candidate Diary)

Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:56:04 PM PDT

A lot of people have been theorizing lately that America is turning blue, steering left, becoming more liberal. There's a lot of talk about Obama being the most liberal presidential candidate yet getting the most widespread support. There's a lot of talk about more Americans becoming more liberal about the environment, the Iraq war, and so on. But I think this article released today by The Economist magazine may show us that all of this talk is just, well, a lot of talk. Are we seeing a trend toward liberalism, or are we just seeing an anti-Bush backlash?

The Economist released a comparative analysis today of right and left in America and Britain. I have to say, I was quite surprised at the results. In fact, in both religion and social values and also in national interest, America's left was far to the right of Britain's right.

To get the best picture of these results, you should literally look at the picture. They have a chart that shows U.S. and British responses on a spectrum, and there is actually a huge gap between their right and our left in these three categories. That's right, our left is substantially further right than their right.

Now, I think we all already understood that religious and social values would be more conservative in the U.S. and more liberal in the U.K., but I was surprised to see any gap at all (I expected to see some overlap in every category), much less such the huge gap seen in this chart.

I have a sort of weird spectrum of political beliefs. My liberal friends say I'm mostly progressive with a conservative bent. My conservative family doesn't know what to think of me, but they are constantly explaining to me how important education is to ensuring conservative beliefs -- they seriously think my schooling in California (they were all educated in rural Tennessee) screwed up my ideology. So, I've learned to take both left and right with a grain of salt.

Ok, first we need to operationally define "left"  and "right". It's definitely more complex, but this is the boiled down version of The Economist's definition:

"left" implies a big-state, secular, socially liberal, internationalist and green outlook; right, the reverse

I'll start with the interpretation and then drill down. They had a fairly interesting interpretation of the similarities found between Britain and America. Their conclusion is that both Britain and America push the rest of the world to be more capitalistic, and most people in both countries believe it's ok to push our style of democratic government onto the rest of the world through military intervention:

So some sort of Anglo-Saxon particularity appears to exist; and complacent, even triumphant, America and Britain have urged on the rest of the world their own prescriptions: lightly-regulated capitalism red in tooth and claw at home, and military intervention where needed to promote democracy around the world. Both seem rather less than winning strategies these days.

It is most interesting when you drill down to this chart of the individual questions.

I was particularly surprised to see that only 30% of Americans believe in evolution, and 60% see the Bible as explaining the origin of the Earth. Whereas only 10% of the British see the Bible as explaining the origin of the Earth. I found myself saying, IS THIS FOR REAL? Can we please bring science back? For the record, I am the only person in my family who believes in evolution, but I thought that was because they were extreme, I don't want to know that they're the norm...

A full 70% of the British say it's perfectly acceptable to have premarital sex, while less than 25% of Americans say the same. I guess everybody's a sinner.

Here's something the British and Americans agree on. The answers were almost identical for both countries on bringing the American troops home from Iraq. When you add up the people who want the troops to come home from Iraq by 2008, by 2010, and now, you've got about 70%. The weird thing is, when they change the wording slightly to include British and American troops, the answers change somewhat -- notably, more Americans want the troops to stay in that scenario. Maybe it's the principle of social proof/consensus at play?

About 55% of Americans said that free trade is often harmful, but just over half of the British sample thinks free trade is a good thing. Surprisingly, the answers were a little closer together on most of the globalism answers, but significantly more Americans believe globalism is a bad thing.

Both countries answered the immigration question identically. This surprised me because I was raised on the meme that we are a nation of immigrants, but of course that is currently countered by the current controversies of border-crossing immigrants. About 50% believe immigration does not help the economy. Just under 20% believe immigration doesn't have an effect, and only about 25% think immigration has a positive effect on the economy.

But here's the one that really got me. Iran. Should military action be taken to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons? Almost 50% of Americans said yes. This shocked me. I'm not sure that the average American understands the implications of a war against Iran. If people think it's tough in Iraq, they need to take another look at Iran.

Don't me wrong, I believe we have the best military in the world, but I also believe it's best not to kill them off in a war against Iran. And this is a huge statement for me. I come from a military family and this statement, which I will repeat again, "it's best not to kill them off in a war against Iran" is the first time I've spoken out against any war in my life. I understand it's a mild statement, but it's a big step for me. I seriously believe my father would disown me if I ever participated in an anti-war protest. Seriously. But I am telling you now, we do not want to go to war against Iran, and I am believe it is the road we are heading down if we elect McCain. Almost 50%!

Maybe it's just because I was raised in Tennessee (we aren't called the volunteer state for nothing), or maybe it's because I was raised in a military family, but I believe we are a nation of war hawks. And even I was shocked at how many people think we should intervene militarily with Iran. We also were significantly more willing to take military action "to pursue our interests" which seems to me a fairly sweeping statement. Really, what does "pursue our interests" really mean? We should not be saying yes to that.

One area that did impress me was this:

Britons are more willing than Americans to curb civil liberties in pursuit of security.

Can someone please pass that conclusion on to the Bush administration? I'd like some of my civil liberties back please.

And this was an interesting tidbit:

Of the current presidential candidates, British Tories would vote for Barack Obama; Labour supporters prefer Hillary Clinton by a narrow margin.

And this was also particularly interesting:

74% of Americans believed that war is sometimes necessary to obtain justice, around 66% of Europeans thought the opposite.

Note: You can read the full results of the surveys conducted on behalf of The Economist here.

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  •  Tips for a noncandidate diary (23+ / 0-)

    I'm a pretty new diarist (recovering lurker), and this is my first noncandidate diary, so please try to be kind :)

    John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.

    by dawnt on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:13:29 PM PDT

  •  Gosh, the Economist! (3+ / 0-)

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    It must be true!

    Founder and CFO, The Giddiyap Society.

    by Trotsky the Horse on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:57:27 PM PDT

    •  I don't know much about the Economist (0+ / 0-)

      but the Financial Times is one of the best papers around.

      •  I hate the Economist (2+ / 0-)

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        Read the FT every morning, can't stand the Economist.  Other than some occasional impartial bits in the news section at the front and the book reviews the whole thing is often pretty infuriating to read.  I've had to stop buying it before long train or plane trips because I always want to shout at it.  Any time they write about something or somewhere I actually know something about, they get it so arse about face that it's actively unproductive to read.

        Find out how to read the Economist here.  The comment on that post pretty much sums it up:

        If you want to know stuff, then don't trust it. If you want to seem like you know stuff, then read it.

        •  It's funny (1+ / 0-)

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          because it's true. I love that blog post. Thanks for sharing. My only caveat, I always read the U.S. section. I often disagree with The Economist, but I find it nice to get a different/International perspective, and sometimes I find some interesting observations about the U.S. that I wouldn't have noticed otherwise.

          John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.

          by dawnt on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 08:06:15 AM PDT

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        •  Economists don't read it (0+ / 0-)

          My wife, who is an economist, hates The Economist with the passion of a thousand fiery suns.

          Apparently its articles are written by "people who took one economics course sometime and got a B+".

          Real economics involves a much more complex worldview than the editorial worldview at The Economist.

  •  We are turning more statist (4+ / 0-)

    which means to the left on economics, environment, etc, and staying constant on things like choice and gay rights.

    John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

    by IhateBush on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:58:23 PM PDT

  •  NOT a candidate diary? (4+ / 0-)

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    what good are you? </snark>

    "What's mind? No matter. What's matter? Never mind!" --Homer J. Simpson

    by vawolf on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:58:42 PM PDT

  •  There Is No American Left (7+ / 0-)

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    of any consequence.

    BTW America's rich don't live as long as Europe's poor. Funny about that.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 02:58:44 PM PDT

    •  There definitely is a real American Left (3+ / 0-)

      it is just highly fractured an marginalized.  This is mainly because America's labor history is by leaps and bounds more violent than that of any other industrialized nation.  The forces that would have gone on to form the institutional basis of the American left (and did go on to do just that in other countries) were smothered in infancy by corporate interests during the Gilded Age.

      The movement came back from the dead in the wake of the Great Depression, but following the rise of the Military-Industrial Complex following WWII, it was only a matter of time before the interests of the rich and powerful conspired to kill it off again. It very well may be that after three straight decades of union-busting, deregulation, tax cuts, undermining workers' rights and civil rights, etc. the political climate is again suitable for the institutional Left to rebuild itself.

      Now, it's important to recognize the distinction between the institutional Left and the Left as a group of people.  As I mentioned above, a very very large portion of the American people are just as far to the left as their counterparts in Europe.  Public opinion polling on a wide range of issues confirms this.  The unfortunate reality is that this natural base of support has been assaulted viciously over and over again to the point that the institutions of the Left lack unity, cohesion, and strength.

      •  Resistance to right-wing ideas is critical (1+ / 0-)

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        You basically have to be covert in order to be a liberal in this mess of a country.

        All forms of Conservatism belong in the trash heap of history and not anywhere near our schools, government or society.

        by Brad007 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 07:13:44 AM PDT

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      •  I would add to that (0+ / 0-)

        that the institutionalization of activist groups, which led to the current fragmented identity politics is now the basis for the new left in America.

        That has a lot to do with why the Democratic Party has lost a lot of its appeal among blue collar workers.
        It has abandoned them.

  •  Welcome to the noncandidate fray. (6+ / 0-)

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    I don't known how people survive in the candidate wars.  This is so much better.

    Under your definition of "left"

    big-state, secular, socially liberal, internationalist and green outlook

    I'd say we as a nation are leaning rather than turning that way.  I am a leftie for sure so the nation will not likely ever be far enough that direction to make me happy.

    Peace.

    Jerry Northington, D.V.M., for Congress, DE-AL. Elect a real Progressive Democrat in '08.

    by possum on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:00:08 PM PDT

  •  Is America going nuts? (4+ / 0-)

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    It might be a better question to ask.

    •  america went nuts (1+ / 0-)

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      decades ago. ruined by right wing propaganda and brainwashing about how great a world based on self centered decisions is. america is screwed for 100 years to come, until we get back to facts, education, and ACCOUNTABILITY AND RESPONSIBILITY as individuals by individuals.

      Welcome to the empire. now run away if you can... life is not a dress rehearsal

      by johnfire on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:20:26 PM PDT

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  •  One thing that (4+ / 0-)

    that has been constant through the years is that the overwhelming majority of people have no identifiable ideology, even by the most generous standards.

  •  Not to bring up a candidate for discussion, (2+ / 0-)

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    but my dad, a retired factory worker from southern Ohio and a registered Repug, just told me he's going to vote for Obama in the GE.  That truly is remarkable and gives me hope that southern Ohio is not the bum-fuck Egypt place it's always been.  I cannot stress how unbelievable it is for him to say this to me, and I didn't prompt him on the dem race.  I just ranted a bit about McTorture and then asked him who he's going to vote for.

    Impeachment! Indictment! Incarceration!

    by followyourbliss on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:06:16 PM PDT

    •  Whom did he vote for (1+ / 0-)

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      in the primary?  Obama got killed there in the primary.

      John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

      by IhateBush on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:27:33 PM PDT

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      •  He fucking voted for McCain in the repug (0+ / 0-)

        primary!

        Impeachment! Indictment! Incarceration!

        by followyourbliss on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:34:39 PM PDT

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        •  Did he say why he will vote for Obama (0+ / 0-)

          otherwise I'm not necessarily sure your dad is a reliable vote in the fall.

          John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

          by IhateBush on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:37:05 PM PDT

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          •  The economy. He complained (1+ / 0-)

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            of gas prices and then told me that gas was cheaper than milk.  I stressed that the repugs only wanted to take the middle class' money and give it to the rich.  He agreed with me.  I'll keep working on him and his wife, my step-mom, will too.  He's kinda maleable, so I think we can pretty easily convince him.

            Impeachment! Indictment! Incarceration!

            by followyourbliss on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:04:10 PM PDT

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  •  Public opinion is and has been (5+ / 0-)

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    Far, far, far to the left of public policy for quite some time.  Most thoughtful people know this already.

  •  this is the least true answer ever (6+ / 0-)

    A full 70% of the British say it's perfectly acceptable to have premarital sex, while less than 25% of Americans say the same. I guess everybody's a sinner.

    cmon. this sows that at least 50% of Americans lie to pollsters.

    •  And 70% do not believe in evolution? (1+ / 0-)

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      C'mon Americans are pretty stupid but not that stupid.

      "Sell not virtue to purchase wealth, nor liberty to purchase power." B. Franklin

      by istari5th on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:13:27 PM PDT

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      •  actually (2+ / 0-)

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        they are that stupid. if you want to fix the situation you have to accept the reality of it. we have  a nation of extremely poorly educated people who would rather turn to religuous superstition than use the brain god gave them. that in a nut shell is the great sin of the american people, refusal to use the brains that god gave them.

        Welcome to the empire. now run away if you can... life is not a dress rehearsal

        by johnfire on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:22:06 PM PDT

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      •  Go to Gallup. They had a poll on evolution (2+ / 0-)

        from about a year ago.  The numbers believing in evolution were broken down by party with 30% for Republicans, 61% for Independents, 57% for democrats.  See it here.

        Definitely the Economist results are much more extreme than Gallup, likely due to the fact that the Economist isn't a professional polling organization and the specific questions.

        If we lose in 2008, the Supreme Court is simply lost, for practical purposes, for all of our lifetimes.

        by alliedoc on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 05:52:11 AM PDT

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    •  A mistake surely (2+ / 0-)

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      They meant that 70% of Brits wished they had pre-marital sex and lots of it.

    •  If they asked (2+ / 0-)

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      "Do you think people who do not marry should stay virgins until the day they die?" bet they'd get a different, and more accurate, answer.

      Americans who get this question think it means "Do you think it's wrong for teenagers to have sex?" That's why abstinence-only sex education is so popular in some quarters--people visualize their 15-year-old daughters having sex, not their 35-year-old son.

      John McCain--not so much old as obsolete.

      by ohiolibrarian on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:42:52 PM PDT

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  •  Never believe a poll about religion or sex (6+ / 0-)

    Maybe in Europe people answer them honestly, but here I've become convinced that people just answer what they think they're "supposed" to answer, and then their behavior tells a different story.  The results to those questions are always strikingly puritanical, yet I've lived in red states and I've lived in blue states, and never once would I describe my neighbors as anything close to "strikingly puritanical."  Immature, maybe, but not puritanical.

  •  I noticed that too... (9+ / 0-)

    In Sweden all 7 of our political parties in the government are to the left of both Democrats and Repubs. The conservatives in power recently raised gas taxes and are using the revenue to create better and faster public transportation.

    I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these you did for me.- Jesus

    by swedenusa on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:13:10 PM PDT

  •  I'm a little skeptical of the (1+ / 0-)

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    results.  Only 25% of Americans think premarital sex is ok?  And only 30% believe in evolution?  They must've excluded those under 55 from the survey.

    National Geographic says it's 40% for evolution

    Premarital sex numbers here (hint: it's 95% who've done it, but there are some hypocrites, I'm sure)

  •  on military action against Iran (4+ / 0-)

    Bombing a factory would be military action. Military action includes a lot that many of us would be ok with and does not mean outright invasion of Iran. So 50% doesn't surprise me at all.

  •  Maybe it just means that the left-right dichotomy (9+ / 0-)

    is complete B.S. and people's beliefs don't fall neatly into two categories. For one thing, I don't think very many liberals/progressives are exactly in favor of "big government"; it's more like we're in favor of effective government that does things that improve their citizen's lives.

    I think the old Democratic party had a devil's bargain going with the Military-Industrial Complex. The Dems wanted the social programs, but to get them, they had to feed the beast (which was partly justified by the Cold War). Now the beast is eating us.

    John McCain--not so much old as obsolete.

    by ohiolibrarian on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 03:32:24 PM PDT

  •  I watched my daughter who is religious (6+ / 0-)

    and voted for Bush over the past 3 years start saying things bad about him a little more and a little more until I was in shock when she voted for Obama in the primary. She is an independent but strong pro lifer and tends to vote that way.

    Over the past 3 years i have been saying you can't vote on one or two issues you have to look at the whole picture and that the republicans have been using the christians to furthers their way of life that only helps the rich get richer.

    I guess what I and my other daughter finally sank in because when I talked to her the other day she was solid on Obama instead of just voting for him so/so last month. It also helped that her husband got a union job 2 yrs ago and she is telling me how McCain will ruin the union. I felt like say no duh but since she knows nothing about politics i just said your right about that!

    Also she used to watch Fox non stop, for years I have been telling her it is a republican station. Yesterday she said she watches CNN & MSNBC along with Fox..for her that is good. She is seeing the light!

  •  This country has been right-leaning since Nixon. (3+ / 0-)

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    However, right now we're slowly crawling back to the center. If Obama is elected, we'll have the first truly liberal president since LBJ. Whether he's the harbinger of a new political era like Nixon or the two Roosevelts only time will tell.

    -2.12, -4.97 "Die Lüge wird zur Weltordnung gemacht." -Kafka

    by GermanAmericanDem on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 04:02:44 PM PDT

  •  americans are ignorant and stupid (2+ / 0-)

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    yup. there i said it. americans dont have a CLUE what it would take to build a better, more fair society. for 30 years they have been fed an endless diet about how self interest is the key to solving all problems. what has occured is that we have a culture of self centeredness unequaled in the history of mankind. 60% believe in the bible as the ultimate truth, literal interpretation thereof, the creation of the world in 7 days by a god that looks like santa claus??????? this country is royally screwed. americans dont even know what is in their own best interest anymore. an entire country that makes decisions based on religous superstition, the shallowest of human values ( ie accumulation of stuff)the deliberate avoidance of facts, logical thought, the ridicule of anyone who has an education.
    this country is really fucked. get used to it.

    Welcome to the empire. now run away if you can... life is not a dress rehearsal

    by johnfire on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:18:09 PM PDT

    •  And hopefully someday things will change (1+ / 0-)

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      They pretty much have to in order to save us from ourselves.

      All forms of Conservatism belong in the trash heap of history and not anywhere near our schools, government or society.

      by Brad007 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 07:10:22 AM PDT

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  •  Definitely different (1+ / 0-)

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    My family's British (I have dual citizenship). The last time I was over there, my uncle just about had a coronary over the US's non-involvement in global warming. Now, I'll say this--I'm no believer in global warming, or at least our contribution to it. I told him as much, and he acknowledged that it's easier for Americans to be more lax about such things because we have so much land. Everyone in Britain has to be concerned about recycling because there's just not enough space. I don't think that my views on global warming relate to land use or anything, but he probably has a point about recycling. ;-)

    My brother and I were looking over my grandmother's recycling instructions (given to her by the town or whomever), pasted on her tiny British fridge. We were pretty appalled. I mean, I have nothing against recycling, don't get me wrong, but this document was pretty freaky in its level of detail and implied consequences. And when we went into the grocery stores and co-ops, it was impossible to avoid the green message, and it was done in an almost oppressive way. Of course, Britain's been semi-socialist for some time now, in many ways, and it's just part of that. Now they have to contend with the EU's rules, and those can be frightening, too.

    I don't know my relatives' views on much, though, besides my uncle's recycling thing and my deceased grandfather's involvement in Amnesty International. But they're in a minority that actually go to church.

    As for me, I'm a mixed bag, like many people. I can be plenty liberal and plenty conservative, depending on the issue.

    "With a keen eye for details, one truth prevails." - Detective Conan

    by onetruthprevails on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:39:41 PM PDT

  •  This Commie bastard... (1+ / 0-)

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    ... loved this article. Good job.

  •  bogus data (1+ / 0-)

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    Some of the polling data is simply bogus 35% saying abortion should "usually" be permitted in the US? The numbers I've seen have been closer to 60% even among Catholics.  

    On Evolution, I know science education is horrendous in the US but 70% believing peaople were create from "fairy dust" can't be true.

    On Free Trade, the polling suggests Americans are actually smarter than the Brits. Trade policy should, first and foremost, maximize jobs and opportunities for AMERICANS. I'll pay a few cents more to buy American socks (if that's still possible) rather than support some thief over in China.

    •  I buy American socks (0+ / 0-)

      at Target. Look for them there. But you have to be careful, the same company has factories in the U.S. and in Mexico, so you have to look at the label for EACH PAIR. I literally go through the pairs hanging on the peg, pull out each pair that's says Made in USA, and buy only those. They're nice socks too. They are extra thick on the sole.

      John McCain traded your $10 job for $5 and called it a bargain.

      by dawnt on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 11:49:14 PM PDT

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  •  It is true (2+ / 0-)

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    I am suprised that you are suprised about American right. I lived for decades in Europe and in US. Republicans are ONLY in US. I would not mind if they extinct though... That is the only species that should not get EPA protection status. Just kidding -)  In Europe, Republicans are non-issue. Europeans have either Democrats, Liberals or Communists. European conservative parties are like US Democrats and European liberal parties are more open and for trade unions.  Why do you think that most of US immigrants vote for Democrats? They have no idea about Republicans, they did not have it back home.

  •  Explaining my vote (0+ / 0-)

    Firstly - great article.

    Anyhow, when I voted "Yes, we are all turning into commie bastards", I meant that we are it in the best way possible.

  •  Military (0+ / 0-)

    They didn't ask the same question in a slightly different form (pull US out of Iraq, pull US/Britain out of Iraq).  The second question was about Afghanistan, more Americans feel we should stay there.  A fair portion think the biggest mistake of Iraq was that it robbed resources needed for Afghanistan.

  •  I'm skeptical (0+ / 0-)

    I think there is definitely some change occurring in America. At the very least, people are becoming more comfortable with the idea of change (see Obama's candidacy - desire for change is there, but we'll have to see what people actually do if he's elected).

    But I don't believe there is a substantial change underway. For example, look at the environment. I don't think people are finding their "inner environmentalist," I think they're responding to higher energy costs and going with the flow. I don't think it's too far-fetched to say that being green is becoming "cool."

    If people were really turning left, they'd be thinking proactively and demanding change, not just taking what they get, even if it hurts their pocketbook.

    And on top of all of this, the right seems to be getting worse. Anti-science. Anti-change. Anti-hope.

    By the way, that near 50% number concerning Iran is incredible. Every war America has considered fighting since the introduction of public opinion polling, even if it began unpopularly, was immediately embraced by the public at the declaration of war (or conflict). It can only get worse from there...

    "Credulity kills" - Carl Sagan

    by Jameson on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 03:36:31 PM PDT

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