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Saying that 'the surge is working' ...

Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:28:06 PM PDT

...has worked pretty well for the Cheney-Bush regime the past few months. It certainly calmed down the megamedia, which – after years of publishing and broadcasting stuff about Iraq quaffed from the Kool-Aid fire hose – had actually started doing the job they should have started in January 2002 when the White House initiated its march-to-war publicity tour. After years of fawning and phony patriotism in the aftermath of September 11, the megamedia finally began to make visible some ugly truths that had previously been confined to the world of the bloggerati.

Then came the "surge," the escalation designed to undermine the lukewarm recommendations of the Iraq Study Group. Within a couple of months, the coverage, except for the McClatchy people (and a few others whom you can call journalists without meaning the word as an epithet) were right back where Editor and Publisher Editor Greg Mitchell wrote about in So Wrong for So Long: How the Press, the Pundits--and the President--Failed on Iraq.

As I noted two weeks ago in Megamedia Coverage on Iraq Fuels Ignorance, one measure of how lousy coverage of the war affected Americans was the plunge in those who knew how many of their fellow Americans had died because of the Iraq invasion and occupation. In August 2007, 54% could correctly put the number of deaths at 3500. By the first of this month, only 28% could say the number had reached 4000. The graph shows you what’s been happening. Of course, the U.S. media have never done a good job of covering the Iraqi fatalities and other horrors of that continuing disaster.

As clammyc points out today in his Diary, Iraq is imploding right before our eyes, the surge isn’t working. It never was.

CNN senior military analyst Air Force Maj. Gen. Donald Sheppard, says: "This is intra-Shia. This is not Sunni vs. Shia, this is not civil war, this is not sectarian violence, it's intra-Shia politics for control of the government." Yep, all those previous problems have been resolved, this is something new and it’s being dealt with. Uh-huh.

Of course, intra-Shi’ite violence is occurring. But something new? Do the names Abdel-Aziz al-Hakim and Muqtada al-Sadr not ring any bells? Moreover, it’s not just a clash in Basra, as if the situation in Basra weren't bad enough.

From the BBC – Baghdad under curfew amid clashes:

A curfew has been imposed on Baghdad amid continuing clashes between Shia militias and Iraqi security forces.

From The Guardian - Mass grave found in Iraq

American and Iraqi troops today unearthed 37 bodies in a mass grave north-east of Baghdad, the US military said.

The corpses were discovered near Muqdadiyah, an area that has seen frequent fighting between US troops and Sunni insurgents in the volatile Diyala province.

From Der SpiegelAmericans Caught in Crossfire between Radicals and Iraqi Government:

With its swimming pools, manicured gardens and friendly Iraqis, Baghdad's Green Zone was long seen as a luxurious, high-security enclave for Americans and their friends in a country rocked by violence. Now the oasis of security is under siege.

The attacks on the "IZ," or "International Zone," as the US military has dubbed the former Karkh neighborhood, represent one of the biggest challenges to the American forces in Iraq to date. The enclave covers less than seven square kilometers (2.7 square miles) and houses the headquarters of the US armed forces and their allies. Until the beginning of the week, the enclave was considered the safest place in a country plagued by violence and terror.

From The New York Times: Thousands in Baghdad Protest Basra Assault

The United States ordered embassy personnel to stay in reinforced structures because of incoming fire that killed an American on Thursday, the second U.S. fatality this week in the heavily fortified Green Zone.

Meanwhile, says McClatchy, the President makes a speech. Bush: 'Normalcy is returning to Iraq'.

Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., said in a CNN appearance Sunday that there's been "foot-dragging" by Iraqi leaders on key political disputes. What's needed, Wyden said, is to get troops out of Iraq. "It seems to me you put off those troop withdrawals, you send exactly the wrong message to the Iraqis," he said. ...

"When it takes time for Iraqis to reach agreement, it is not 'foot-dragging,' as one senator described it," Bush said. "They're striving to build a modern democracy on the rubble of three decades of tyranny." He noted that the U.S. Congress itself has been on a "two-week Easter recess."

Bush gave a litany of economic and political developments in Iraq, such as falling inflation and the approval this month of a provincial powers law, that he said showed that the "surge" of 30,000 U.S. troops into Iraq last year has met its goal. That goal was to improve security so that Iraqi leaders could begin political reconciliation.

"The surge has opened the door to ... strategic victory," Bush declared.

Ah yes, stay the course. 4004 dead American military personnel as a consequence of an invasion and occupation based on lies. If you don't count the suicides. 4313 dead "coalition" fighters altogether. Hundreds of thousands, perhaps a million or more dead Iraqis.

Normalcy in Iraq.

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  •  Who cares? (18+ / 0-)

    Obama's pastor said something. That's way more important than the fucking mess in Iraq.

    At least it's easier to cover since you might get killed covering Iraq.

    •  A question for you MB. (5+ / 0-)

      You were part of the profession. Why would the media take anything the administration says at face value after what has happened for the last 7 years? It just seems to me that they would be a bit more suspect of anything Bush says.

    •  Obama's pastor's (1+ / 0-)

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      Words are new, the war is old and if they showed to much we might learn something.

      Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a training manual.

      by Animayhem on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:39:10 PM PDT

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    •  you forgot (5+ / 0-)

      That his pastor said this stuff years ago.

      Just watched one of the news shows and someone emailed in a comment saying 'I can't wait to see what this pastor says next!' like Wright has been ranting these last two weeks and the media is just playing the sermon of the day.

    •  Maybe the media should compare... (5+ / 0-)

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      number of deaths caused by Rev. Wright's sermons against the number of dead and wounded American troops, American civilians, Coalition troops and Iraqis caused by Bush's fantasy.

      Now that will be a story never reported.

      There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. - Sun Tzu

      by OHeyeO on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 07:12:57 PM PDT

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    •  there is so much hate speech going on (3+ / 0-)

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      right now on the internet on some of these right wing sites that there are people who are going to get killed as a consequence of it.  

      Dischordant? Word? When the major candidates say one thing and the underlings indulge in the most vile stuff imaginable with the intent of provoking fear, hate, and disgust in their followers?

      They intend to deliberately provoke protestors by which ever means possible. They are scared they will be treated as they have been treating others, but there is also some pathology going on... these people truly are just not right in their heads.

      Watch the news.  Advertisers for pharmaceutical companies which market drugs to senior citizens and life insurance pay for the news.  Create feeling of anxiety, provide soothing solution. No bad feelings. No mortality. "Life is too precious to leave to chance." ( I saw that this morning.) Ebb and flow, ebb and flow....

      The President and VP and the Republican nominee have no choice but to still play this game, because it is the only game that they know how to play.
      Create anxiety.
      Provide soothing solution.

      Terrorists are out to get you.
      The surge is working.

      Al Queda is killing our troops.
      The surge must go on.

      Evil World War on Islamoterrorists must be won.
      Iraq is doing better than ever.

      We can start refusing to let them have power over us anymore, but it will be difficult to convince people not to repeat the worst of the Republican talking points. One of the candidates, to me , has recently performed a grave error in this regard.

      Would you follow her into a scary place ? Would you want her covering your butt ? If your city went underwater, would she come for you ?  Have you ever been in a city during a complete power loss ? And wondered, if you ran into a person who didn't look like you, or sounded like you, would they have been taught to hate you by the careless words of an ignorant politician?

      Is that all there is to life, finding other people who are different to kill ?

    •  Expressed my cynicism very well there ;-) n/t (2+ / 0-)

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      Practice random acts of kindness.

      by Sally in SF on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:12:02 PM PDT

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  •  It Is Sad (5+ / 0-)

    But I think that they might have been better off under their last dictator.

    Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a training manual.

    by Animayhem on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:30:08 PM PDT

    •  Some Iraqi's think that (3+ / 0-)

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      I was watching a documentary about the medical/Doctor crisis in Iraq and they showed a woman in an ambulance screaming to bring back Saddam because they weren't getting blown up. Now, you're right, THAT is truly sad. What a mess this invasion has wrought for the people of Iraq

      A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves.

      by Its any one guess on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:32:35 PM PDT

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      •  But (2+ / 0-)

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        Its any one guess, carver

        Peaceful, diplomatic solutions, are not interesting, hence the medias love of the war. Its like one on going train wreck...

        If we did it the right way so many live would not of been lost, so many coffers wouldn't be filled and the new would still be "just" news...

        Orwell's 1984 was a warning, not a training manual.

        by Animayhem on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:38:04 PM PDT

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      •  Not to mention (2+ / 0-)

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        the stress on soldier's families and the soldier's psyche. A lot of soldiers at Ft. Drum where my husband was based barricaded themselves in their houses, beat their wives, etc. after returning home from war.

        In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. ~George Orwell

        by ElizabethAM on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:46:09 PM PDT

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        •  That's not a function of deploying... (0+ / 0-)

          Everybody does that in Jeffferson County, New York - home of the northernmost rednecks.

          America - FUBBBAR (Fucked Up By Bush Beyond All Repair)

          by George Gould on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:49:47 PM PDT

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          •  Ha. (0+ / 0-)

            Yes, well, you got me there.

            Who knew that Nascar and New York would fit together so well? Oh yeah.....if you're from Watertown, then it's you.

            In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. ~George Orwell

            by ElizabethAM on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:58:03 PM PDT

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            •  No, but my Dad grew up south of there. (0+ / 0-)

              On Route 11, between Mannsville and Sandy Creek, there is, or at least there used to be, a turkey farm.  When my Dad was a boy, in the 1920s, on the site of the turkey farm was an orphangae run by the Ku Klux Klan.

              At any rate it does seem like cruel and unusual punishment when a guy returns from Iraq or Afghanistan to be stuck at Fort Drum.

              America - FUBBBAR (Fucked Up By Bush Beyond All Repair)

              by George Gould on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 07:04:00 PM PDT

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              •  Yeah (1+ / 0-)

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                We lived there through two winters. That is the worst. -25 degrees during the day, etc. when you didn't grow up around snow.

                My husband I once played Bingo with the locals in Watertown and the lady next to me asked me if in Texas we have shopping malls. I wanted to die. I was thinking, Get Me Out Of Here.

                (I am from Dallas and my husband is from Houston)

                Luckily, we saw all of NY state which is, overall, fantastic. I am visiting friends in Newburgh for Memorial Day.

                In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. ~George Orwell

                by ElizabethAM on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 07:13:12 PM PDT

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    •  very sad, indeed, Animayhem n/t (0+ / 0-)

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      by kainah on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:36:18 PM PDT

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    •  We thought that until GWB installed (0+ / 0-)

      Saddam Hussein had been contained and offered a check on Iran's thugs. We even armed him.

      There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. - Sun Tzu

      by OHeyeO on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 07:19:20 PM PDT

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  •  They have no shame (10+ / 0-)

    It's "newspeak" the violence goes down it's because the surge is a success. The violence goes up it's because the surge is a success.

    I only hope we can make it to January 20,2009 without them starting another war.

    "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." Sen Daniel Patrick Moynihan

    by atlliberal on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:30:15 PM PDT

  •  So? (n/t) (7+ / 0-)

    But don't forget that most men without property would rather protect the possibility of becoming rich, than face the reality of being poor. (1776)

    by banjolele on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:30:52 PM PDT

  •  WSJ Last Week: "Whatever Happened to Moqtada?" (16+ / 0-)

    In another unfortunate case of premature Iraq elation, the Wall Street Journal last week celebrated the decline and fall of Iraqi Shiite leader Moqtada Al-Sadr. Echoing the "bring 'em on" taunt of their former boss, ex-Bush advisers Dan Senor and Roman Martinez triumphantly asked "Whatever Happened to Moqtada?" But as the renewed turmoil in Baghdad and violent chaos in Basra suggest, the answer may be, "he's back."

    For the details, see:
    "Moqtada Al-Sadr Answers the Wall Street Journal."

    •  Man-o-man ... (8+ / 0-)

      ...this is going to be so stolen: premature Iraq elation.

      Like a cyclone, imperialism spins across the globe; militarism crushes peoples and sucks their blood like a vampire. K. Liebknecht

      by Meteor Blades on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:38:38 PM PDT

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    •  what is wrong with these people?!? (6+ / 0-)

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      Jeez, even I knew this whole violence reduction was predicated on al-Sadr keeping his people on the sidelines.

      And then they taunt him.

      It's one thing to taunt say, LeBron James, and have him go off and kick your team's ass.

      But it's completely another when your team is your own military, to taunt the man who holds a fragile 'peace' in the palm of his hand--when that man going off means hundreds or thousands of casualties.

      At best, it's foolish, but in my mind, the more appropriate term is dereliction.

      •  Don't you know? (1+ / 0-)

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        Surge I worked so well, it's time for Surge II. And in another 9 months, we'll probably have Surge III and suck in Iran. Just in time for the election and inauguration, no less. Pat Robertson will be in charge of nuking the State Department.

        Can you say "war junkies?" Full speed ahead! Damn the stressed out troops and their families! Damn the US economy! Damn the Democrats! Get out your lapel pins! Introduce a flag-burning amendment! Find some more CIA sacrificial lambs!

        These chickenhawks are so amazing. Would love to see autopsies of their brains and compare them to normal people. Certainly couldn't be created by any "Intelligent Designer."

        But, then again, that's what 6 years of absolute power does to humans. What I can't understand, is that anyone is still loyal to these people. Unless, of course, they're heavily concentrated in defense stocks.

        There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. - Sun Tzu

        by OHeyeO on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 07:39:44 PM PDT

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    •  Here's What Happened: (1+ / 0-)

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      http://www.nytimes.com/...

      the warning came less than a year ago:

      May 25, 2007:

      Flanked by bodyguards and hailed by weeping loyalists, the 33-year-old Mr. Sadr made his reappearance at a mosque in Kufa, a Shiite holy city 100 miles south of Baghdad. The mosque has been Mr. Sadr’s favorite redoubt since he emerged early in the Iraqi conflict as the leader of the Mahdi Army, a powerful anti-American militia that has made him a crucial player in the struggle for power in Iraq.

      "No, no, no to Satan! No, no, no to America! No, no, no to occupation! No, no, no to Israel!" Mr. Sadr told about 1,000 worshipers, frequently mopping his brow in the 110-degree heat of Iraq’s early summer.

      He renewed earlier demands for a timetable for an American troop withdrawal, saying the Iraqi government "should not extend the occupation even for a single day." But he avoided setting a deadline, perhaps because of widespread fears among Iraqi Shiites that Iraq’s new Shiite-dominated army and police are far from ready to stand alone against the groups aligned with Al Qaeda and the Baathist die-hards who have driven the Sunni insurgency.

      Mr. Sadr coupled his call for an American pullout with an offer of a new alliance with Iraq’s minority Sunnis, thousands of whom have been killed or driven from their homes over the past year by Shiite death squads. Many of the death squads have been offshoots of the Mahdi Army that have struck in revenge for a relentless Sunni insurgent campaign of bombings aimed at Shiite civilians gathering at markets, mosques, weddings and elsewhere.

      http://www.nytimes.com/...

      "Cigna cannot decide who is going to live and who is going to die." -- Nataline's mother

      by Superpole on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 07:24:21 PM PDT

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    •  Gotcher best comment of the day (0+ / 0-)

      right there--"premature Iraq elation"...priceless.

    •  Dan Senor's married to Nora O'Donnell-MSM diva.nt (0+ / 0-)

      "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

      by 417els on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:10:19 PM PDT

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    •  I read that one..... (0+ / 0-)

      It is amazing that reporters at an internationally recognized news journal (i said recognized not credible) could be so incredibly underinformed.

      What happenned is tha he won. He fought long and hard enough to put off the US military in Najaf and Sadr city ad now he is head of one of the most influential blocks of votes in the "legitimate" Iraqi government.

      Senor and Martinez should really be keeping their mouths shut since any military success that the surge has had isn't due to the extra 15k troops but the ceasefire ordered by MAS so that he could consolidate and reorganize his forces in the Madhi Army.

      We should have killed that bastard when we had the chance in Najaf. Genie is out of the bottle now.

      "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

      by comeinpbrstreetgang on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 03:56:43 AM PDT

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  •  Bush: 'Normalcy is returning to Iraq'. (6+ / 0-)

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    Yes, as part of the acronym SNAFU.

  •  Anyone who thinks the corporate news media (7+ / 0-)

    has turned a corner on war coverage since firehosing us with Dick Cheney's bullshit needs to re-evaluate, and take to the streets.

    What I'd like to see happen this summer is local action against network affiliates in our top 200 major market areas, demanding more coverage of the war and its costs.  These are brick and mortar operations that will not be able to withstand direct, non-violent action.  Plus, they'll cover each other when coverage of local action causes a ratings uptick.

    The opportunities for poignant, principled action on the doorsteps of your local W-XXX or K-XXX are literally endless.

  •  Heard a reporter on Colbert the other night (4+ / 0-)

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    who had just returned from Iraq (sorry don't remember his name) who stated that 4% of the previous newscycle in the US reported on Iraq.

    Unless you are engaged, it is very easy to forget.  And don't those little talking points from bushco sound good on the news?

    -6.25 -5.33 After the last seven years, hell yes I'm bitter

    by dansk47 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:34:23 PM PDT

    •  The young man, 26, had been to Iraq twice, (1+ / 0-)

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      and he is from U.S. News and World Report. Don't ask me why I remember that, when I can't come up with a name sometimes that is totally familiar to me. Sheesh.

      "This is not our America and we need to take it back." John Edwards.

      by mcmom on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:24:52 PM PDT

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  •  The media will tire of the "Surge" slogan soon (5+ / 0-)

    and will swing the other way for a while. My guess is that regardless of what's happening in Iraq the media message though the spring will be that the surge is "sputtering" or some such euphemism. After that, the electoral campaign will force them to be "even-handed", meaning simply that the facts won't matter for a different reason.

    Every Bush strategy since the invasion has failed utterly, but at best the media will say his current policies are "in trouble". Wouldn't wanna go out on a limb; pass the barbecue sauce.

    "I cherished my hate like a badge of moral superiority." - Mark Rudd

    by Bob Love on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:34:42 PM PDT

  •  thanks for this round-up, Meteor Blades (2+ / 0-)

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    very depressing but oh so important. I have this sick feeling that Iraq is about to burst back into the headlines in a most unpleasant way. And I don't even think our sycophantic media will be able to ignore it for too much longer.

    Sigh......

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    by kainah on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:34:54 PM PDT

  •  It's only normal to the bloodthirsty, greedy (1+ / 0-)

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    evildoers known as Bush and Cheney, et al.

    Normal to them means blood for oil for money.

    I call that the most abnormal pursuit that any human can engage in.

    Sick f***s.

    Just sayin'...

    Oh.  And IMPEACH THEM NOW!!!

    Peace.

  •  Good work Blades! (0+ / 0-)

    The surge is, was and always will be a lie!

  •  "So?" (1+ / 0-)

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    In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act. ~George Orwell

    by ElizabethAM on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:41:58 PM PDT

  •  If you don't count the suicides (4+ / 0-)

    or those exposed to depleted uranium or those injected with some experimental bullshit vaccine some honcho has an economic interest in or those who keep their bodies going but who have lost their inner lives to despair and madness...

    Until we break the corporate virtual monopoly on what we hear and see, we keep losing, don't matter what we do.

    by Jim P on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:43:18 PM PDT

  •  The "surge" worked as far as it goes (2+ / 0-)

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    The "surge" worked to an extent if you include the fortuitous help from the Sunni groups we have put on our payroll. But the troop levels that along with the surge are unsustainable unless we want to make Iraq the 51st State (aside: how many delegates would they get?).

    And it masked the underlying problems attendant to having tens of thousands of people with explosives, grenade launchers, and machines guns jockeying for money, power and prestige. The government doesn't control Basra and hasn't for some time. This would be like a bunch of radicals controlling New York and giving the finger to the Federal Government.

    I hope the Iraqi government suceeds in Basra. Best argument for getting the hell out of there.

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:43:52 PM PDT

    •  Don't know about the numbers ... (1+ / 0-)

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      ...but some of them surely would qualify as superduperdelegates.

      Like a cyclone, imperialism spins across the globe; militarism crushes peoples and sucks their blood like a vampire. K. Liebknecht

      by Meteor Blades on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:46:30 PM PDT

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    •  The surge worked to make us feel warm and fuzzy (1+ / 0-)

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      that's about all.

      It insulated them so they could draw up plans to fuck up Iran next.

      The Crazies are winning.

      And we're talking about pantsuits and preachers.

      Fucking embarrassing.

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      by k9disc on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 07:07:30 PM PDT

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  •  the other thing about Hakim (7+ / 0-)

    is his connection to Iran.  Just like Chalabi's connection to Iran.  Just like Reagan selling arms to Iran....

    Just like al Sadr's connection to Iran.  Oh wait, that one isn't all that involved, despite what we are being told.

  •  The sob (3+ / 0-)

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    doesn't care about any of this. He never has. It's about the oil. The fact that the asshole with shoes doesn't even understand that he'll never see the oil doesn't seem to register. The numbers, like 4313, don't mean anything at all.

    Common Sense is not Common

    by RustyBrown on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:49:08 PM PDT

    •  Do you think he's in over his head? (1+ / 0-)

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      He thought it was about the oil. Then he thought it could be about democracy. But I think all along it was always about the history books. His aircraft carrier escapade was going to be a photo in all the history books.

      All he has now is the "My Pet Goat" look in his eyes. And about 9 more months. The American Public is left with the mess.

      There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. - Sun Tzu

      by OHeyeO on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 07:51:31 PM PDT

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    •  "You break it you own it"...GW thinks that's a (0+ / 0-)

      literal statement.  Iraq is HIS now.

      "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

      by 417els on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:20:00 PM PDT

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  •   As per usual it's up to the netroots to (5+ / 0-)

    take up the torch and shine it into the politician's faces. The two candidates (there's no point discussing McCain't) are not discussing the real issue, the one that is tied to the economic well-being of the States, the important one ie Iraq, just paying some lip service, at least, as I can see. In Europe we get the feel that neither will change much with regards to foreign policy and that's a shame because the only way out of Iraq is simply out. And fast. The Shiites and the sunnis will battle it out among themselves for another thousand years, and there's nothing to gain by staying a minute longer, nothing.

    •  Exactly right. (2+ / 0-)

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      We can't look any worse (or stupid) to the Arabs than we do now, and our allies are just hoping nothing else goes to hell in a handbasket before Bush leaves office.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 07:36:20 PM PDT

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    •  I believe Obama will change a LOT re US foreign (0+ / 0-)

      policy.  He truly understands what a demoralizing disaster it is...for us as well as the rest of the world.

      "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

      by 417els on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:26:11 PM PDT

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  •  Saying The Surge is working (8+ / 0-)

    Is like Saying  Thelma & Louise  had a flying Car.

    Saying the Iraq "Surge" worked is like saying Thelma & Louise had a flying car.

    by JML9999 on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:49:18 PM PDT

  •  Bush is running out the clock. (6+ / 0-)

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    417els, GodRifle, drmah, JML9999, Cobbler, OHeyeO

    That's been his plan for some time now, and now he's almost half-way through the fourth quarter.  All he has to do is keep falling down on the ball, and throwing to a receiver who can step out of bounds.
    And not one high profile "journalist" will call him on it.  The war is now officially somebody else's problem, and the press is just fine with that.
    Of course, in a real football game, people don't die.

    John McCain wants your kids, your grandkids, and your great-grandkids to serve in Iraq.

    by jazzmaniac on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:49:30 PM PDT

  •  The best response is the truth: (6+ / 0-)

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    1. The "surge" was actually a troop increase, in the midst of public outcry for withdrawal.
    1. It has gone from being temporary to being permanent for the foreseeable future, and that is what the statements by the administration today mean.
    1. The surge has succeeded only in permanently increasing American troop levels, not in the political and Iraqi security force progress it was meant to achieve.
    1. No one would dispute that more troops means less violence. The question is whether our plan is to permanently decrease violence by permanently stationing troops to fight and die in an Iraqi civil war.
    1. The media narrative about 'the surge working' is only true if we move the goalposts: if our goal is to create an America-funded, America's-risk security state, we're getting closer. If our goal is to achieve progress in Iraq, the Shi'ite conflict shows we're going backward.

    And remember that the Bush administration will make as much hay as they can over the Iraqi national response to the Shi'ite militias' attacks. If they can prop up an unprepared security force enough to 'win' this particular outbreak of Iraq's ethnic violence, they'll do it, and will play the media like a harp. Expect a quick 'victory' and a lot of propaganda designed to move those goalposts.

    "Are we still, and if so on what grounds, Galilean and Cartesian?" Alain Badiou, Manifesto for Philosophy

    by Niky Ring on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:49:52 PM PDT

    •  I disagree with #4. (0+ / 0-)

      More foreign troops may mean less violence in the short term, but the hatred and resentment festers and will erupt like Vesuvius at some later date.

      "Evil is a lack of empathy, a total incapacity to feel with their fellow man." - Capt. Gilbert,Psychiatrist, at the end of Nuremberg trials.

      by 417els on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:32:58 PM PDT

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  •  War=taking of property+taking of lives, ergo (4+ / 0-)

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    the surge IS working.  People ARE being killed.  Property/oil IS being taken.

    We make the rules pick the winners and losers.

    Well, not ME- I've not been allowed into the imperial=WE, I've just been a pawn in the game of life.

    [I'm having a bad day, but at least it's just here in Chicago and not in Iraq or some other arena-of-conflict.]

    "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." -Aristotle

    by Aidos on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:50:35 PM PDT

    •  Property vs people... (0+ / 0-)

      That's the future of warfare.

      Plain and simple.

      If you do not pledge fealty to property you are a terrorist.

      If you try to take care of your people you are a terrorist.

      Sharing and Caring are for Commies! They should be illegal. Drop by and support the Human Agenda

      by k9disc on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 07:09:26 PM PDT

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  •  Something that tends to boogle my mind... (4+ / 0-)

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    from time to time is this :

    How is it, exactly, that so many people can simply forget that we have shit going on in Iraq?

    I'm not talking about just not being up to date on events but still having a general good idea on what is going on over there.

    I'm talking about people who really actually forget that anything at all is happening over there.

    It so often seems that American society has, as a whole, just become so unabashedly self-centered that, unless something directly impacts someone, it does not matter any more then a pile of cow dung.

    It's like going through a sewer in a glass bottom boat. We're in this shit but clearly above it!

    by Kalakzak on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:51:44 PM PDT

    •  Exactly. I just posted a comment that got (3+ / 0-)

      in right before yours more or less about the same thing.  I asked does anyone in this country have a heart anymore?

      Practice random acts of kindness.

      by Sally in SF on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:57:19 PM PDT

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    •  Being politically aware does not come (8+ / 0-)

      ... naturally to many people, because they do have the personalities for it.

      The beauty of the Republicans is that they have also created a world where it is easy to be less politically aware.... UNLESS you are hooked into the internet.

      This requires one to have a functioning computer, the ability to make the *&%$%^&()&%$5(*&^##@ thing work, and the ability to pay for said computer and internet access, PLUS, if you live in certain areas, you will have crummier, slower access.

      Oh, and don't forget if you are over a certain age, you have to keep adapting to this new technology and it does not necessarily come easily.    

      People work longer hours, and are exhausted and don't have time.
      A lot of adult females (aka the social networkers of our society) are in the workforce and and are exhausted and don't have the time.
      Television has changed.
      News channels and cable television has changed.
      Many people don't read newspapers.
      Or they just skim the Yahoo or Google news in the am and that's it.
      Turn on cable news in the morning and see what they are feeding you, it is not anything about the war.  Mission accomplished ! Bush successfully censors all news !

      In people's day to day lives, they don't and can't make the connection between what happens in Washington, DC, the Mideast, and their towns.  They flick a switch and the lights come on.  They go to drive somewhere and there is gasoline. They go to work. They come home.  

      They have massive amounts of "stuff" going on in their lives.  

      They care for elderly parents. They care for children. They are single parents working. They work 2 jobs to afford dental care.  They spend hours on the phone, on voicemail, trying to get a repair person, an insurance agent, an appointment,  waiting for a technician overseas... whatever.  

      They see nothing in that hour of teevee they turn on before bedtime.

      Not everybody has experiences which lead them to believe that if they did manage to get involved, something would change.  

      •  Excellent! (3+ / 0-)

        I worked in local and regional government for 32 years. Getting people to attend a meeting requesting public input or a plan or proposal instead of watching Seinfeld or attending their child's sporting event was extremely difficult.

        The only time attendance rose was when someone aroused them to be against some development proposal. Nothing like change to get them in an uproar.

        Unfortunately, national politics is more difficult. The best way is what the Republicans have done - give them an alternative talk radio show to listen to while they are stuck in their cars.

        There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. - Sun Tzu

        by OHeyeO on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 08:08:01 PM PDT

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    •  I agree but..... (0+ / 0-)

      I am a veteran of Iraq but I won't bash my neighbors too hard for not giving a shit about what goes on over there. They know its screwed up and they want out like people closer to the issue but...

      Their apathy has roots and it is by design. The middle class has been chipped away at since Reagan took office and what we have now is a middle class fighting for survival. Working two jobs to pay the rent/mortgage, running everywhere to find a break for their kids so that they might have a chance at better and still trying to have some semblance of a family life.

      They are constantly worried about their job security, constantly eyeing energy prices and the price of food, endlessly worried about their healthcare.

      There just isn't much time for protest or even educating oneself on the issues when your living like that.

      Now who believes that this is just the way the power elite wants it? I do.

      "I would like to see less people go to church on Sunday and more people volunteering among the poor and hopeless"

      by comeinpbrstreetgang on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 04:10:24 AM PDT

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  •  What does it say about the people (4+ / 0-)

    in this country that they don't even CARE ENOUGH to know how many soldiers have lost their lives because of war?  And yes of course the media hasn't done it's job in reporting on Iraq, but it seems to me that individuals should have personal and emotional concerns about the soldiers the President sends to war.  Does anyone in this country have a heart anymore (excluding us of course because we do)?

    Practice random acts of kindness.

    by Sally in SF on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 06:55:57 PM PDT

    •  The corporate media has absolutely done their job (1+ / 0-)

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      they should be flying a mission accomplished banner under every talking head.

      What I want to know is if the last nail has been put in the coffin yet or not.

      Sharing and Caring are for Commies! They should be illegal. Drop by and support the Human Agenda

      by k9disc on Thu Mar 27, 2008 at 07:13:59 PM PDT

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      •  I hope the last nail has not been put (0+ / 0-)

        in the coffin yet, but I'm so discouraged from 8 years of lies and wars and screwing We The People, that it's sometimes hard to keep hope alive.