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Open Thread for Night Owls & Early Birds

Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 09:48:54 PM PDT

Tomorrow, March 29, around the planet, millions of people will shut non-essential electrical power off for one hour, 8 p.m. to 9 p.m., local time. The Earth Hour originated with the World Wildlife Fund.

The event started last year in Sydney, Australia, and boasted more than 2 million participants who cut the city's overall electrical usage during that hour by as much as 10%. As of yesterday, nearly 12,000 businesses worldwide had signed up to participate in this year's event. Some 100 cities throughout North America have joined.

Earth Hour has been pooh-poohed by some as a lame, symbolic act in the face of a gargantuan problem. But often much of the criticism about a baby-step like this one comes from people who sit on their butts rather take the big steps they say are needed.

The biggest step, of course, is weaning ourselves off the fossil-fuel teat, something most individuals can only have a modest impact on in their own lives. But all of us can collectively pressure our governments - city, county, state, federal - to take bold action. Since Ronald Reagan gutted the best parts of Jimmy Carter's energy plan in 1981, not more than a handful of federal officials (or candidates for high office) have been willing even to discuss seriously the initiatives so desperately needed. Indeed, quite a number have engaged in three decades of foot-dragging and spouting bogus science. But we're starting to see some attitudinal changes among previously recalcitrant politicians.

Symbolism obviously has its limits, but events like Earth Hour can have a positive impact. We too often underrate the benefits and spin-offs of such political theater. So, tomorrow, please join me and millions of others who will be switching off our power at 8 p.m.

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Were any of your eight biological great-grandparents alive when you were child?

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  •  Can't say that I'll be joining (4+ / 0-)

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    Too much NCAA basketball going on at that time.

    I'll turn everything off at an alternative time to make up for it though :)

    •  Mich. St. celebrated "Earth Hour" a day early (9+ / 0-)

      The Spartans went dark during the first half of the Memphis game tonight, and trailed 50-20 at the half. Yikes.

      Replete with "misstatements" and elisions and retracted and redacted and revoked assertions.--Carl Bernstein on HRC's record.

      by Dump Terry McAuliffe on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 09:56:30 PM PDT

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      •  Whoa (1+ / 0-)

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        "A person is as free as they believe themselves to be off." - Fortune cookie

        by The Termite on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:19:10 PM PDT

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      •  I'd fallen asleep but my son called and (3+ / 0-)

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        woke me to check the score of the game. He lives in another state and was at some outside gathering.

        It was half time and I read him the score as it scrolled by. We assumed my eyes were tired and insane so I got closer to see it the next time. Still 20-50.

        Then we assumed whoever puts numbers up had made a mistake and they hadn't caught it yet. I went to the computer. Still 20-50.
        It at least made him feel better about missing the game. But 20-50?

        A change of subject but as long as I am here and my son came up...while all my great-grandparents had died before I was born my son had 4 great grandparents living. All of my grandparents were alive into my son's childhood, he still had 3 as he entered his teens. Then he lost one grandpa in a car and another to old age (97).
        The last one's passing made for a dramatic story. She was in her late 90's and had been very healthy until the last couple years when she started quickly fading, well mostly in her mind.  She smiled and watched and seemed happy but didn't talk much or reverted to Italian. When my son came into town and visited her she'd sort of "awaken", her eyes would sparkle, she'd pat his face and she'd talk like the Italian grandma she was. Had he eaten, was he hungry? When she'd quit eating she would eat for him as long as he would eat to.

        She died just days before his wedding. They scheduled the funeral for the same day so a day of dual emotions. I'd have been happy for her, I knew she was ready...but he was so heartbroken that my heart broke to.
        His almost wife had been one of those nervous brides to be, had lost all sense of humor, worried about everything being perfect but you wouldn't know it that day. She was so there for him. She barely knew my grandmother and he told her just to do all her wedding day plans that morning but at the funeral mass everyone saw this beautiful lady in black come in alone and sit in the empty pew behind the pallbearers, I heard about that later.
        I didn't see her until I saw my silently weeping son turn around when she tapped him on the shoulder. I will never forget his face when he turned and saw her, it was like a distressed baby given a pacifier and the expression changes from angst to ease. He lipped to sit beside her and she simply enfolded him in love. I absolutely fell in love with her.
        After the funeral she asked him if it would be too hard to have my sister sing the Ave Maria at the wedding since she sang it at the funeral. He told her it was already on the program and he didn't want things ruined for her, didn't want crisis on her wedding day.
        She stood tall, held his shoulders and looked him in the eye and she didn't care about anything like that, she loved him. Then she said "Look I'm Irish, you're Italian. If there wasn't crisis it could never work"
        He laughed and they were in each others arms.
        Did I mention I am crazy about her?
        The day was better than this sounds. It was almost like that raw emotion had opened hearts and love just filled that church during the wedding, it was palpable. Even people who knew nothing about the death or funeral commented on never having felt something like it. Some confessed they hated weddings but wouldn't have missed whatever that feeling was for the world.
        The wedding was healing for those who lost my grandmother too, her sons and daughters...it was like grief was transmuted into a certain joy.

        Still I wouldn't recommend this.

    •  But you can (1+ / 0-)

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  •  Interesting poll question (10+ / 0-)

    During my cognitive years I only saw my great-grandmother once. It got me thinking about her again.

    •  One of my great-grandmothers . . . (11+ / 0-)

      lived until I was in middle school.  She was 96 when she died.  My maternal grandfather (her son) is now 87, and I believe one among 10 living out of her 12 total offspring.  I hope I got those longevity genes in the DNA crapshoot.

      I had other great-grandparents alive when I was born, but they were my paternal grandmother's adopted parents.  No DNA lottery there.

      •  yeah, my GGrandma lived to be 104 (12+ / 0-)

        She lived in Thunder Bay, Canada.  She always called me sugar plum but I hated it.  Guess I really wasn't the name. My Mom used to call me Charlie when I was a kid.  My name is Christie and I am a girl.  ??

        Funny, where these nicknames come from.  My daughter is Bootchey (Boo-Chee).  When she was little, one buttcheek would always peek out from her diaper/underwear so we called her little buttcheek (privately)..that devolved to Bootchey.  We also called her Hamchuck (privately) from The Green Berets because she had five rolls of fat from her groin to knee and it just sounded right.  The doctors didn't announce Boy or Girl when they pulled her out...they had to check first, her thighs were that large.   LOL.  Gawd it was so cute.  She will be a teenage soon so now publicly she is her name or honey, sweetie ect.  Don't think she would appreciate being called 'little buttcheek'.

        Y'all have a good night!

        "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" ~ Spock

        by CWalter on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:05:36 PM PDT

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      •  Don't you ever wonder about that DNA lottery? (4+ / 0-)

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        Kind of scary...Diabetes on both sides, blindness on both sides, heart disease on one side (the Grandma I am build like), dementia on one side, cancer on both.  I guess nobody gets out of the genetic lottery unscathed.  Thinking about it won't change it...but isn't knowledge power?

        I would like to do a medical family tree but my Grandparents generation is reticent about sharing the mental health issues, which is what I am curious about the most.

        "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" ~ Spock

        by CWalter on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:18:18 PM PDT

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      •  My GGF lived until I was 16. He was born in 1864 (0+ / 0-)

        and was a longshoreman. We got along very well because he saw dozens of the games played by the famous Baltimore Orioles of the 1890s and I loved to hear about them. He went to St Annes and in 1894, so did 7 men who became honored in baseball's Hall of Fame. GGD became a good friend of Willie Keeler and not only saw him at church but at The Diamond, a sports bar established by John McGraw and Wilbert Robinson. My GGM, his wife, was born in Ireland and I knew her well but she prededed him in death.
        Both GGPs on my father's side were alive when I was little but I seldom saw them. He was a worker on the steam packets that went between Baltimore and Norfolk.

    •  5 of 8 knew me... (9+ / 0-)

      and I knew 4 of 8!!!

      My grandma Smith lived to 106, outliving all three sons.  My grandpa Armstrong passed away at 96.

      My maternal grandmother remarried at the age of 83, and she and my step-grandfather just celebrated their tenth anniversary!

      Naam!! Tunaweza!!

      by bogbud on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:11:23 PM PDT

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    •  Maternal great grandfather was alive (4+ / 0-)

      He lived from 1865-1959. Have a handwritten letter from him to me dated 1958 and his old money wallet.  We also have a 250-page typed manuscript he dictated to his daughter regarding his lifetime memories and his signed tickets to the 1893 Chicago Columbian Exposition. Transportation-wise, the manuscript covers horse-drawn buggies to jet aircraft and three wars. Oftentimes I get the letter or manuscript out and read them for inspiration.

      Recently visited the Montana ranch of my maternal grandmother's parents. Was able to meet the people who own it now, have dinner with them and see the old original farmhouse. The ranch still has some wagon train ruts from a trail that paralleled the front range of the Rockies. When I stood looking out at the ranch, many aspects of my life just seemed to become much clearer. Wish I would have seen it at a much younger age.

      Know nothing at all about my paternal grandparents or their ancestors, but that story is for another place and time.

      Exploring your ancestors tells you a great deal about America.

      There has never been a protracted war from which a country has benefited. The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting. - Sun Tzu

      by OHeyeO on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:13:41 PM PDT

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      •  Lovely n/t (0+ / 0-)

        Not a Cent to those who won't fight torture.

        by not a cent on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:13:36 AM PDT

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      •  At least one of my Great Grandmothers (0+ / 0-)

        ...was alive when I was born. I didn't know her very well--I only have vague memories of her.

        My son's lucky, because he has 4 great grandparents at the moment (and will for a while, hopefully, despite my grandfather's refusal to remember he's in his 80s now). In fact, since my son was born last year my wife and I are trying to get all the family history we can. It's lots of fun.

        "Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight. You've got to kick at the darkness until it bleeds daylight." --Bruce Cockburn, "Lovers In A Dangerous

        by AustinCynic on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 06:18:43 AM PDT

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    •  Lessee... (0+ / 0-)

      Dad's side... I don't know that either of grandma's parents were alive.  But I'm just not sure.  Could well have been--I've got that family's bible and the folks who died of natural causes were all in their 80s.  I'll have to ask Dad (who's in his mid 70s and traveling all over the world).  His dad's mom died young of some disease.  His grandfather I met when I was five--we went to see him because he was going to die (refused to have prostate surgery...).  He lived another year, I believe.

      Mom's side... both on the maternal side lived to push 90. My great-grandmother died when I was in college. She loomed large in the family.... On the paternal side... I believe both died young--but have no details.  My biological grandfather went into a TB sanitarium when my mother was just two--and my grandmother never spoke of him; even though she remarried later, I suspect it was just too painful for her. However, I remember hearing from my mother that he'd been an orphan.

      So at least three.  Maybe as many as five.

      If Bill Clinton was the first black president... why can't Obama be the first female president? -- wry twinger, DKos, 5 May '08

      by ogre on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 11:51:35 PM PDT

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      •  None of mine were (0+ / 0-)

        but on Dad's side, that wasn't all that surprising, because he was fairly a late baby. In fact, his father--my grandfather--had died before I was born, and my grandmother, his mother, was already 64 when I was born (and lived to 91!). Dad was the second-youngest of six. There are 21 cousins on that side of the family, and only four out of the other 20 are younger than me (and two of the four are my siblings!).

        Since Nana made it to 91, she lived long enough to see a number of great-grandchildren (not from me, though, I didn't spawn until 4 years after that :-)).

        Funnily enough, on that side, my great-grandfather, my grandfather's father, died quite young, and my great-grandmother remarried...and my step-great-grandfather I did know. He died when I was 10-ish and he was something like 95 at the time :-).

        My mother never knew her own paternal grandparents. Her maternal grandparents died when she was a teenager.

        My oldest daughter will be able to reply 2-out-of-8, and my youngest daughter 1-of-8. My ex-wife's paternal grandmother is still alive. My maternal grandmother actually watched Brigid, my oldest, two days a week for the first almost-two years of her life. Gram died then, but even though Brigid was so young when Gram died, she still remembers her, which is nice :-).

        You bet your ass I'm bitter. And, yes, middle-america 'values' voters, you *have* been duped. Obama's right. And I'm bitter as hell.

        by ChurchofBruce on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:43:42 AM PDT

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    •  Though I never knew her (0+ / 0-)

      One of my great-grandmothers lived until 1965, four years after I was born. I was in the Philadelphia suburbs and she was in Chicago, so I never met her. She died at 87.

      Fortunately, before she passed on she wrote -- in longhand -- the story of her early years in America, from her family's arrival from Ireland (against the wishes of her father, who had come to the U.S. on his own, had come to hate it, and had planned to return to Ireland before the rest of his family surprised him by showing up in Chicago to join him) until her father died in 1891. It's a harrowing tale of poverty and domestic cruelty in the Bridgeport section of Chicago, where many Irish immigrants settled when they came here in waves throughout the middle and late 1800s. I've got a photocopy of it (an aunt has the original), and it's an amazing first-hand account of just how hard life was for some of our forefathers (and mothers).

      Supposedly, she continued the story beyond the part that I own, including her eventual marriage (to one of my great-grandfathers, who died in 1918) and beyond, but the rest of the manuscript seems to be lost.

      I've checked most of the dates and events she described against more objective sources, such as census, Chicago Archdiocesan and immigration records, and virtually everything is confirmed.

    •  Maternal great-grandparents never left Prague (0+ / 0-)

      I think I have photos of my father's great-grandparents, but even his own parents were gone by the 1970s.

    •  My great grandparents were gone long before (0+ / 0-)

      And I don't remember my grandfathers. One died when I was only a few months old, the other when I was 2, so I wasn't old enough to remember them.

      It is the job of thinking people not to be on the side of the executioners.

      by A Citizen on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 07:27:18 AM PDT

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  •  I'm in! (15+ / 0-)

    I will probably be the only house in South Dakota to play, but what the hell!  I am already the weird quiet lady on the block.

    "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" ~ Spock

    by CWalter on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 09:54:59 PM PDT

  •  I read the poll wrong (10+ / 0-)

    I thought it said "grandparents" and two of mine were still alive.

    Great-grandparents, no...but I did have a couple of great-aunts still around.

    And it just occurred to me -- my oldest great-niece turns 14 this year, meaning that I could potentially be a great-great-aunt before I'm 60. Holy shit...

    "Old soldiers never die -- they get young soldiers killed." -- Bill Maher

    by Cali Scribe on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 09:56:50 PM PDT

    •  Don't feel bad. I had a senior moment (2+ / 0-)

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      and forgot that my father's grandmother was still alive when I was born and in fact, didn't die until sometime after I turned 14 (when I met her for the one and only time).  Don't remember exactly when she died but I'm pretty sure my Dad went back east when she did.

      Practice random acts of kindness.

      by Sally in SF on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:56:40 PM PDT

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  •  Symbolic...but my lights will be off. n/t (5+ / 0-)

  •  Woo! (10+ / 0-)

    A guy in Ottawa is using a photo of mine for publicity in his hotels about Earth Hour.

    Woot for Creative Commons.

    http://brianfinifter.com

    by HamillianActor on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 09:57:32 PM PDT

  •  My great-grandmother died (15+ / 0-)

    when I was 7, my great-grandfather 2 yrs. later.  I remember when he was 87, repairing a neighbor's roof and he slid to the ground.  He sprained his wrist - had an x-ray and was back up there later that afternoon.  His reasoning:  "She is elderly and it looks like rain."

    He was the son of an Irish RR worker.  Thanks for making me remember.

    The truth always matters.

    by texasmom on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 09:57:45 PM PDT

  •  A wonderful short on YouTube (5+ / 0-)

    It's called Richard Dawkins - Beware the Believers

  •  Father's Paternal Grandmother, Born 1880's (8+ / 0-)

    Dressed like grannies in 50's Loonie Tunes. I remember absolutely ancient looking shoes. She would explain to us what it was like before there were cars. She lived well out of town and died before I got very far into school, so I don't remember much more.

    It's possible a maternal grandparent or 2 of Dad's might have been alive when we were kids but they were Scandinavian and the family spoke almost no English even when my dad's family would visit, and we were never in contact by my generation. Not the warmest bunch sad to say.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 09:58:22 PM PDT

  •  I had a neighbor who (5+ / 0-)

    "pooh-poohed" Earth Hour as "a lame, symbolic act," as MB writes, as he drove out of our garage with that yellow magnet on his SUV. Eh.

    "One cannot be pessimistic about the West. This is the native land of hope." Wallace Stegner

    by Mother Mags on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 09:58:37 PM PDT

  •  My Great Grandma (8+ / 0-)

    Died when she was 96, and I was 10. She outlived both of my grandfathers, in fact.

    The moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends towards justice. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by easong on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 09:59:46 PM PDT

  •  Sure, We'll Do an Energy Cut. (3+ / 0-)

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    I keep one room hot for my craft shop but I can cut the power full off for an hour on the weekend. Plus the outside shop, 2 if not all 3 computers and most lighting.

    We can easily cut 30%, maybe 40.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:01:01 PM PDT

  •  My wife never knew her great-grandfather ... (29+ / 0-)

    ...because, amazingly, he was born in the first term of George Washington, September 26, 1792, on Long Island. At age 75, Joseph Field married for the first time to a  woman of 25, Euretta Headden. They had three children, and she died in childbirth when the third was born. In 1897, having just four months before walked a five-mile round-trip to the polls to vote for William McKinley and Garret Hobart, Field died at age 104. He had cast ballots in 21 presidential elections. His son, born in 1870 and married at 50, lived until 1967. Between them they had lived through 36 presidencies.

    Like a cyclone, imperialism spins across the globe; militarism crushes peoples and sucks their blood like a vampire. K. Liebknecht

    by Meteor Blades on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:02:12 PM PDT

  •  The Amazing Hillary predicts!!! (5+ / 0-)

    To state what is perhaps obvious  -- she thought she'd have it sewn up by Feb. 5th.  

    So did the Beltway geniuses.

    Oops.

    Hillary Clinton: champion of the downtrodden White Race!

    by chumley on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:03:02 PM PDT

  •  We'll be playing a concert (7+ / 0-)

    tomorrow night, so mostly the fridge and freezer will be running.  I'll make sure and kill the power strips on the electronics before we leave.

    I do hope no one feels green and cuts the lights during the Rachmaninov, though.  ;0

    The truth always matters.

    by texasmom on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:04:46 PM PDT

    •  Grab Some Accordions and Brass and Do (0+ / 0-)

      a set accoustic during the hour.

      --Unless you're a string quartet and would be acoustic anyway.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:40:19 PM PDT

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  •  We're going to go dark (9+ / 0-)

    Thinking maybe we'll take a long walk and see who is and isn't participating.  It will do us both good and will tire out the puppy dog.

    On a much more day to day effort, I was just noticing that I think we've converted about 80% of our lighting to compact fluorescents.  They use a lot less and for the most part provide the same lighting.  

    dissent not only welcome... but encouraged

    by newfie53523 on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:05:23 PM PDT

    •  We've done everything (5+ / 0-)

      except the closets and the ceiling fans.  We use a suction cup to change the fan lights, so it's a matter of convenience.  Our LR/DR ceiling is pretty high.  We're using up the spare regular bulbs in the closets - it may take awhile.

      The truth always matters.

      by texasmom on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:11:24 PM PDT

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    •  Sitting here in the dark right now... (1+ / 0-)

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      Here we are in Sydney, on our second Earth Hour, and I can see a whole suburb from here, and the only lights are the street lights - awesome!

      We actually live on an island about 200 feet from the mainland, so we have a great view of the nothingness across the water. And there are no street lights on our little island, so it's seriously dark over here!
      Seems so peaceful, makes you wonder why we don't do this more often...

      And don't worry if you can't do ALL the lights ( we actually left a small hall light on for our afraid-of-the-dark 4yo ) because it's not so much about the actually carbon saving, it's more about showing politicians and city officials, and ourselves, that we're ready and willing to act.

      Hope all the rest of you enjoy your own little Earth Hours later :)

      PS. Had to laugh at that Earth Hour video above - they mispronounced both of the Australian cities mentioned.

      "I won't have any aggressive condiment passing in this house!" Marge Simpson

      by AussieJo on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:25:10 AM PDT

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  •  it is scrolling down (4+ / 0-)

    but this inspirational diary can still be read and rec'd

    it is lovely

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  •  I was 18 when my Great Grandmother died (7+ / 0-)

    at about 101-2ish...and she still lived alone in her own home at the time. My grandmother checked in on her each day though in the last year or so.  Her siblings lived into the 100's as well.

    She made the best pot of beans ever, and I still remember how tasty her squirrel dumplings were (though I've been a veg for about 20 yrs).

    I've got some major longevity genes from that side of the family.

  •  It's a good idea. . . (4+ / 0-)

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    at least it stirs some publicity and gets people to take some notice who might otherwise go about their lives as though nothing was wrong.  I'll be joining in!  Maybe I'll go for a walk through my neighborhood.  In any event, personal changes must be made, and every little change is a step in the right direction--buying more organic and local foods, shutting down unneeded electronics, eliminating waste.  These are the minor changes that can add up, if enough people know about it.  Hell, even pets are going green!  http://leashwecando.com  Why shouldn't I?

  •  None of my great-grandparents were alive (12+ / 0-)

    and only two of my grandparents were alive when I was a child and both died before I was 10. I don't think it has to do with bad genes though, they just decided to have kids later on in life.  

    And I have to wake up in about 6 hours to go to my county convention in Texas (where I'll be a delegate voting for Obama) but I can't fall asleep so I'm here. Tomorrow's going to be a long day...

  •  I knew three (11+ / 0-)

    of my great-grandparents fairly well. One great-grandmother died when I was 10, but she was the one who took care of me while my mom worked so even though my memories of her are kind of foggy, there's a strong connection. I'm embarrassed to say that I can't remember when my other great-grandma died. I think I was in my early teens. We weren't that close to that side of the family but we visited her regularly in her little retirement apartment and she'd always say, "Bless your heart." And my great-grandfather came to my wedding, hale and hearty as could be. Later that year, he had a stroke, though, and spent a couple years in the nursing home before passing. I wish I had talked to him more--we talked but I never probed--because my mom says he was a fierce Democrat to the point that he'd piss people off. Guess that's where I get it!

    And count me in for Earth Hour!

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    by Debby on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:11:22 PM PDT

    •  Oh, yeah! (3+ / 0-)

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      And I knew two of my great-grandmother's siblings, a brother and a sister. I didn't realize the sister was related, she was just a sweet old lady who gave us cookies when we visited her. The brother died when I was 16. He was a priest and lived states away so it was always a big party when he came for a visit. He let me serve for mass once which was a big deal at the time because while the church was starting to let girls be altar boys, our church wasn't. He also urged me to take Spanish rather than the German I wanted to take. I think he hoped I'd be a missionary nun to South America! And he was the person from whom I heard about reincarnation and other religions. From what I can piece together (because I wasn't paying that much attention as a tween), he was pretty progressive.

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      by Debby on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:20:26 PM PDT

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    •  Well, duh... (2+ / 0-)

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      And I do go on and on, but I always thought it fascinating that my g-grandma had been born in the previous century, 1898. Now, my daughter was born in 1998 and I wonder sometimes how her life might parallel Lilly's (the bless-you-heart granny), what sort of changes she might see. So, hell yeah, I'll be participating in Earth Hour!

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      by Debby on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:26:12 PM PDT

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      •  I think about that too (1+ / 0-)

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        Sister Havana

        My sons were born 1996 and 2001 and my daughter 1998 (January)...my little bootchey.

        I wonder what the world be will like at the end of this century.

        "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" ~ Spock

        by CWalter on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:28:49 PM PDT

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      •  My grandmother was born (0+ / 0-)

        in 1901 :-).

        One of the things she lorded over all her grandchildren until the day she died (in 1992!) was that, yes, she was old enough to remember the Red Sox winning the World Series :-).

        She would've enjoyed 2004 and last year a whole lot :-)

        You bet your ass I'm bitter. And, yes, middle-america 'values' voters, you *have* been duped. Obama's right. And I'm bitter as hell.

        by ChurchofBruce on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 12:49:07 AM PDT

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  •  My latest YouTube video! (2+ / 0-)

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    This is of my friend and future roommate Kirk last night (Thursday) at Carey-oke, a night of bad singing put on by Carey Hall at Central Michigan University.

    Don't quit your day job, folks. (Actually this guy's a really funny comedian!)

  •  Symbolic, yes. But also... (7+ / 0-)

    ... significant.  Last year, in Sydney alone, 25,000 fewer tonnes of CO2 were released into the atmosphere thanks to that single hour. Scale that up this year to the >15 similar-sized cities and hundreds of smaller communities and you have half a million tonnes -- in one hour.

    Now, this isn't going to stop global warming -- but what I hope it does do is make people realize, contemplate and begin to come to grips with just how much CO2 we emit into the atmosphere in our "normal" daily lives.  And that could be significant.  Or so we hope.

    Social advance depends as much upon the process through which it is secured as upon the result itself. --Jane Addams

    by shock on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:15:14 PM PDT

  •  as I mentioned the other night (13+ / 0-)

    my great grandma lived to be 98 and I knew her well.  In fact, she lived with us when she was too ill to get around and my grandma who was 78 helped care for her.  I was in college, but living at home, when she died at our house.

    She married a Union Civil War Veteran who was twenty years older and already had a daughter.  I have a picture of the family with my great grandma holding my grandma...

    my great grandma was gorgeous when she was young and still pretty when in her nineties...

    They used to have her ride in all the 4th of July parades in her small town.  I have a picture of her in a car with a poster on the door.

    But she was shy and kids back then did not ask questions much.  I sure do regret that I didn't.

    My grandma lived with her after both were widowed and elderly and she loved to tell the story about answering the door and telling the salesperson that she would have to ask her mother.

    good memories...

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    by cfk on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:15:46 PM PDT

    •  Thanks for this smile (4+ / 0-)

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      she loved to tell the story about answering the door and telling the salesperson that she would have to ask her mother.

      love it!

    •  I am so glad you shared this....I have a friend (3+ / 0-)

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      who lives with her boyfriend and his parents.  At first I thought it was weird but now I think it is wonderful!  There are the family squabbles about eating the snacks set aside for another and card game fights, but they seem to love eachother, work together the betterment of everyone.  Share childcare, carpool, finances.  It is a wonderful cooperative relationship.

      I used to cringe at the idea of sharing a home with my mother, as we are night and day, but I am warming to the idea.  She is divorced from my Dad and alone.  As long as it was a big house g I think it would be workable.  And better for Earth, anyway, to share resources.

      "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" ~ Spock

      by CWalter on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:34:54 PM PDT

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  •  Here in the sticks (11+ / 0-)

    we go an uncertain amount of time without power probably every year, as some bit of aging electrical equipment fails, and the nice people at PG&E have to come out and fix it.

    We run our own waterworks off our electric power, and it has given me a deep appreciation for how much we take for granted that you turn the faucet and water comes out. Sometimes, at our place, it doesn't: then we have to figure out what element has failed: the well? one of two pumps? the tank? the spaghetti gibberish of buried pipes that spring a leak every year, somewhere?

    Oh, and the best part of the joke is that working with grimy machinery and pipes and the like is a lot more fun when there's no water to clean up with. Add extra points if it happens to be raining - just enough to be messy, not enough to provide much water. Oh, dark too. Sometimes it happens in the dark, so we go the night without water. Sounds like NBD... but again, the lizard brain is convinced water will come out of the faucet if only you turn the handle.

    If this kind of thing doesn't happen to you regularly, definitely do the drill. Then, when you really do lose power - and perhaps for longer than an hour - you'll be better prepared to cope.

    Fry, don't be a hero! It's not covered by our health plan!

    by elfling on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:15:56 PM PDT

  •  Knew great aunts and uncles (4+ / 0-)

    but no great-grandparents.

    Knew only one grandfather and both grandmothers outlived my parents.

  •  Here's my excuse (5+ / 0-)

    Both my wife and I turned 40 this week, and we are throwing a huge party tomorrow night.  Cooking, pouring cocktails, and otherwise debauching are things best done with at least a modicum of light on the subject.

    Sorry, Earth, but you'll have to wait another year for my hour of darkness!

    "A person is as free as they believe themselves to be off." - Fortune cookie

    by The Termite on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:18:18 PM PDT

  •  will the car dealerships comply? (4+ / 0-)

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    larry h. miller and his cohorts (he owns the utah jazz nba team, the salt lake bees (because buzz was not mormon enough) AAA-baseball team, and a zillion car dealerships.

    we just gag every time we see them.  

    i will discuss with the family.  

    oh, i had a great grandma alive past my 30th birthday.  she outlived 3 of my grandparents including her daughter (my grandmother), from whom she was estranged.  i got to know her for the first time as an adult.  it was great.  she lived to be 104 and was very sharp until about 18 months before she died.  my children will never know any of their great-grandparents though.  

    Think about Burma , from srkp23.

    by jlms qkw on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:19:48 PM PDT

  •  Where would we be... (4+ / 0-)

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    as a species without the beauty of symbolic acts? Hmph. I'll cut the breakers and walk away for an hour and it'll feel good.

    I've put all my electronic gizmos on power strips that I turn off when the stuff isn't in use, so I've been happily avoiding all that stupid stand-by power usage. Do I need a light to tell me the TV is off?

  •  Crazy Idea (7+ / 0-)

    Why don't we turn off our "non-essential electrical power off" every hour?

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    by bdunn on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:20:27 PM PDT

  •  For one hour a year (7+ / 0-)

    the Milky Way reappears from behind the screen of light pollution.  Definitely worth it.

  •  My mothers side of the family is very tough.... (7+ / 0-)

    ...my great grandma lived to 104, and that's after surviving colon cancer at age 90.  My grandma was given 6 months to live and lasted 8 more years fed completely by IV (her gut had been almost totally destroyed by
    treatment for cancer)...  lasted is the wrong word, she   was always working hard at home and in the garden.  As she said, "God's greatest gift is hard work!"  Tough stuff...

    The United States of America--the only country in the world where being educated and cultured actually *lowers* your social and political standing.

    by LordMike on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:23:44 PM PDT

  •  I'll be joining. And I'm going to be (3+ / 0-)

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    outside to see how this impacts my neighborhood, at least.  There are lots of restaurants in and around my hood and it will be interesting to see how many join Earth Hour.  It's always bustling around here on weekends.  I sure hope the businesses join in.  I think it would be kind of fun to be in a restaurant during that time - they could bring out candles or lanterns and make it a memorable experience.  Of course, they probably couldn't cook, but hell everybody could just drink!  They'd really enjoy the food when it did come.  LOL

    Practice random acts of kindness.

    by Sally in SF on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:25:19 PM PDT

  •  Both my wife and I didn't know our great-grandies (2+ / 0-)

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    But my daughter Chloé does!

    My wife's grandparents on her French side are still alive and well (late 70s), with wicked senses of humor :-)

    I found it amazing as I only knew one of my grandparents (Dad's mom)... but Chloé knows two of her 8!

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    by sacrelicious on Fri Mar 28, 2008 at 10:28:52 PM PDT