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Obama: "Hillary should run as long as she wants".

Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:14:42 PM PDT

I just watched some of the press conference that Obama and Casey did that was shown on CNN.  I must say this, Obama and Casey really look good together.  They have such chemistry together and if Casey wasn't a new Senator from a swing state in the mid-west, had military experience, and wasn't a little boring, I think they would be good together on a ticket.  They just gel.  However, there are better VP considerations.

But that isn't the purpose of this diary.  Obama was asked today in a news conference whether Hillary should drop out.  His response was nope. "She should be able to compete, and her supporters should be able to support her as long as they are willing or able."  Good answer.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/...

A little diversion on what I was saying about Obama and Casey.  I just love this pic:  http://www.nytimes.com/...

Now for the topic of this diary.  I liked what Obama said.  I think that Hillary should run as long as she wants.  I personally think it is silly to urge Hillary out of the race now and it may backfire.  

Unlike many of you, I think that this long primary season is overall good for Democrats.  It is Democrats who are registering in record numbers which will help in the general election.  These new voters are NOT being reflected in national polls because polls typically look at "likely voters" which by definition are "voters who have voted before and are likely to vote again".  Thus first time voters won't be counted in some of these polls. As a result, polls are not showing the complete picture.

Furthermore, Obama particularly is laying down roots for a 50 state strategy.  McCain isn't laying down foundation in all of these states.  Except for Michigan and Florida, voters are really getting to know the Dem candidates which will help them in the general election.  

Also, this primary season is REALLY making Obama toughen up which he will need in the General.  For instance, many of the things that the Republicans were going to spring on Obama in the General possibly as an "October surprise" are coming out now ie the Wright controversy.  Better that stuff like that comes out now in the Spring than in October which gives Obama time to recover. When the Repubs do use stuff like that in negative ads, it will have less impact.  It also shows to the media that Obama can take a punch and bounce back.

Furthermore, this prolonged primary season is good for Obama in that he has learned that he needs to talk bread and butter issues to attract the working class voter.  Obama is just getting better and better on the stump.  Knowing that he needs to work on this key Dem voter, this may help Obama better choose his running mate as well (my personal pic is Webb who is a "Reagan Democrat" and would appeal to these voters).

As long as the rhetoric doesn't get too negative I say continue the primary season through June. I think that Obama and Hillary should attack McCain a lot more as they did with their economy talks. Hopefully in June, the superdelegates should make a decision so that either Obama or Hillary will have enough delegates to reach the 2024 threshold and be the Dem nominee.

I also agree with Obama that if this ends quickly in June with a Dem nominee, I think that the Dem nominee will be able to unite the party by convention time.  

So I say, Hillary keep on campaigining.  Let's see what happens.

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  •  shes making a hell of a case for herself (1+ / 0-)

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    to take over the mantle of "indepedent" McCain hack from Joe Lieberman..

  •  I'm fine with a long primary (12+ / 0-)

    I just don't like the mudslinging. They can go as long as they want as long as the tit-for-tats stay on the ISSUES and not the petty shit we've been dealing with the last few weeks.

    If you don't like "FOX News" I've got the song for you!

    by Muzikal203 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:20:31 PM PDT

    •  Except (0+ / 0-)

      The biggest issue remaining for Democrats is this "petty shit."  There's not much difference between Obama and Hillary on policy matters, but there's a world of difference between them in how they practice politics.  

      While the voices of dissent are many, reason has but one voice. -lizardbox

      by Nellebracht on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:37:11 PM PDT

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  •  i still disagree (3+ / 0-)

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    clinton knows full well the dangers of protracted primary fights. i did a diary that scrolled off this morning that uses newspaper articles at the time to show just how damaging the protracted fight is. the clinton camp understood the importance of having an early nominee. they know how bad divided conventions are. the longer this goes the worse it is for the eventual winner.

  •  IF and I mean IF (7+ / 0-)

    The party comes together at the end of this long, historic primary process then it has probably been a good thing for the Democrats.

    If we don't, well, then we're kind of screwed.

    The Book of Revelation is not a foreign policy manual.

    by Dont Just Stand There on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:22:43 PM PDT

  •  I think she'll be out soon any way (14+ / 0-)

    The cash is drying up. She's going to lose Texas today. She's tanking in the polls. More and more Super Delegates go for Obama.

    As the polls keep sinking in Pennsylvania, she'll realize she's against the wall and will drop out to keep from having to smack down some more of her own cash.

    Great spirits have always found violent opposition from mediocrities.

    - Albert Einstein

    by Walt starr on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:23:23 PM PDT

    •  I actually think she's only in for one reason (3+ / 0-)

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      which is that her campaign is two million dollars, and her last creditor is herself.  If/when she gets back in the black she'll be out.

      •  Can't be that. Campaign debts are common. (0+ / 0-)

        You can keep raising money after the campaign to pay off the debt. Everybody does it.

        May your entire existence be one sensuous, frolic-filled experience lived in defiance of care.

        by Fonsia on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:57:43 PM PDT

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      •  They're in it for the money. (0+ / 0-)

        The Bush family has gotten filthy rich from the  presidents in the family. Presidents can send a ton of money to their pals and their own corporations. The Clintons didn't make anywhere near what the Bushs made. They want a second shot at it.

        McCain '08 - Hope Less!

        by kitebro on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:11:15 PM PDT

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    •  I read somewhere (1+ / 0-)

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      that she may drop out after winning PA so she can go out on a "high note."

      I doubt that, but it would be nice.

      Until she drops out we must continue to work our arses off in NC and Indiana.

      If you don't like "FOX News" I've got the song for you!

      by Muzikal203 on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:32:44 PM PDT

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    •  Tax Returns and Elton John (3+ / 0-)

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      She has "promised" to release tax returns next week, but will delay on that ("our copier is broken and Obama won't let us use his").  However, if she doesn't release them before Pennsylvania, it will look really bad.

      But not as bad as when she does release them.  So maybe she'll take the swag from the Elton John concert and jump ship then so she'll end up in the black and won't have to expose the Clinton finances.

      Big Joe Helton: "I pay Plenty."
      Chico Marx: "Well, then we're Plenty Tough."

      by Caelian on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:51:23 PM PDT

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  •  Clinton should stay in the race (5+ / 0-)

    Clinton is hurting herself more then the Dems. Let her stay in as long as she wants. Soon Clinton will become the guest that has over stayed their welcome.

    •  She already has overstayed her welcome. n/t (1+ / 0-)

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    •  Even hurting herself isn't a good thing (0+ / 0-)

      She is still a Senator and it's best if she comes out with some decency.

      I just began to wonder what kind of Senator she'd be now. She was "nice" before, always knowing she'd run and not hurting that chance. Besides reports of her dissing Obama after he decided to look into running the only time she wasn't "nice" was offering "helpful" advice to Russ Feingold. "Russ, live in the real world," yelled Clinton
      I like Russ so I was sensitive to that. He didn't speak badly of her at all in presidential race so it didn't throw him much to get yelled at in public.

      Clinton's outburst stunned the 20 senators who were present into silence. Finally, Feingold replied, "I also live in the real world, senator, and I function quite well in it."

      When I was looking into candidates and that was her only problem getting along I thought she matured because there were many reports from her first lady days that were like that. People can change and maybe she had.
      Now I sort of wonder if it was part of just planning to be president and if she comes back after losing...well she might still have 2012 in mind.

      I wonder how she got that "real world", "reality break", "get real" theme in expressing irritation

      Ok meandering aside...I'd like to see her retain some dignity and be a dignified Senator.
      Now I just got new paranoia. If she can't keep him out of the White House will she try to sabotage from the Senate and say "It takes a woman to clean up..." as she runs in 2012?

  •  It's all a message to Clinton donors (13+ / 0-)

    If the discussion is no longer even "Can Clinton win?" but "Should she drop out?" Clinton is going to have a LOT of trouble scaring up primary-allocated dollars.  Campaigns like this end when they run out of cash, not when they lose the vote total.

    WARNING: There is a high probability that the preceding comment is snark. Use your best judgment (hopefully better than Senator McCain's).

    by Anarchofascist on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:27:38 PM PDT

  •  If Clinton had dropped out (6+ / 0-)

    after Super Tuesday, the Rev. Wright thing would still be in the GOP arsenal. They would have been able to drop it like a bomb on the weekend before the election. Now it has been defused. The shock value is gone. And Barack made the speech of a lifetime as a result. In that way, Clinton would have had a better shot at 2012 if she had dropped out. The irony is staggering.

    McCain '08 - Hope Less!

    by kitebro on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:29:19 PM PDT

    •  Nah (4+ / 0-)

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       The GOP didn't have the power to put a lid on that video until October.  It would have come out at the same time and it wouldn't have gotten as much traction if Hillary had already dropped out.  The entire Democratic Party should have pushed back against such a strawman scare tactic but with Hillary still in the race Obama had the media, the GOP and half his own party trying to scare people with that bs.  

      McCain is not getting my state. Is he getting yours?

      by Sun dog on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:37:41 PM PDT

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      •  I'm not so sure of that. (2+ / 0-)

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        Murdock has been bashing Obama and pushing Clinton. Contrast their respective appearances on the network. Murdock held at least one fundraiser for her. Without her running, there would have been no reason to put that out. And with the way the Clintons have been looking into Obama's life, I wonder if Hillary wasn't the one to point Fox in the direction of Wright's sermons. On the other hand, who the hell knows.

        McCain '08 - Hope Less!

        by kitebro on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:44:34 PM PDT

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        •  Timing was wrong if she did it. (1+ / 0-)

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          She's smarter than that. You don't hit your enemy with trash like that until two days before the primary. Not six weeks before.

          I think Obama pushed those vids out there. He knew they'd be out anyway, so he controlled the timing. He dumped all his negatives a couple of weeks ago--3 hours with the newspapers answering every question on Rezko, released all his earmarks, his taxes. Then went on vacation.

          Couldn't prove it of course. It's just that the timing was perfect for Obama, bad for Clinton.

          What's funny is, though, that I think she took the hit in polling because people believed she had done it. She's the one, after all, who said she'd be throwing the kitchen sink. Therefore, anything negative that hits Obama, people will assume it comes from her.

          Heh, heh. Kinda karmic.

          May your entire existence be one sensuous, frolic-filled experience lived in defiance of care.

          by Fonsia on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:06:01 PM PDT

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          •  My take is (1+ / 0-)

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            that she hoped they would take a lot longer to plow through the tapes. Her people likely took weeks to find anything. That's because they fuck up everything they touch. Fox probably had a team jump right on it and had the collage together in no time. Then they decided to serve themselves and boost their own ratings by releasing them when they did. Another thing to consider is the Rezko indictment. It happened within a couple of days of the tape release. Maybe they thought the one-two punch would finish Barack off. This is all just conjecture. It could just be my imagination working overtime. But it's funny to think about.

            McCain '08 - Hope Less!

            by kitebro on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:18:52 PM PDT

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          •  Obama has released all his negatives (1+ / 0-)

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            Rezko, Earmarks, Taxes, Wright, etc.

            I will say this.  No one is talking about Rezko any more.

            I think that Hillary has taken a hit in the polls because she is looking like she is going all out for the nomination regardless on whether or not it destroys the Dem party.  Also, the Bosnia sniper story reminded people that she is often not truthful.

            I watched The View.  Obama comes across as earnest, honest, and charming.

            Obama: "Because We Won... We Have to Win." 6/6/08

            by Drdemocrat on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:42:54 PM PDT

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      •  I disagree (1+ / 0-)

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        I really think Rove was going to drop the Wright video bomb in Fall as an "October surprise".

        It is better that it came out in the primary than the general election.

        Obama: "Because We Won... We Have to Win." 6/6/08

        by Drdemocrat on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:36:36 PM PDT

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  •  When she is MATHEMATICALLY ELIMINATED (11+ / 0-)

    from getting a lead in pledged (i.e. elected) delegates (this should happen on May 6th), she should drop out. Until then:

    1. she should stop her and her campaign's negative attacks/tactics and keep things positive
    1. she/WJC should stop propping up McCain or teaming up with the Republicans and sociopaths like Limbaugh etal
    1. Also, Clintons should stop throwing the Black Church under the bus by attacking Wright for their personal political gain.

    Just say NO to BAYH (for VP)! His war hawking is why!

    by NeuvoLiberal on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:29:49 PM PDT

  •  I was impressed (2+ / 0-)

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    with the campaign's strategy this time. In the past they've been slow to change or shape the narrative. This time they started the week with Richardson saying he couldn't tell them what to do. Then a lot of headlines and poll data reinforced this narrative. And they capped the week off with Casey and Leahy.

  •  I think that Obama's answer (7+ / 0-)

    was an excellent answer for him to give.
    But I respectfully disagree with my Senator.
    Somebody needs to sit the Clintons down for an intervention.

  •  She should stay in but (25+ / 0-)

    If things were reversed-in other words if Obama was tantalizingly within striking distance of Hillary and had states where he could do well coming up, I would want him to stay in.

    I'm not bothered by Hillary staying in and campaigning hard for Pennsylvania, or attacking Barack on NAFTA in Ohio. And if the situation were reversed, I think I would want to see a revote in Michigan and Florida (hell I think I still do).

    What bothers me about the Clinton camp is suggesting that if Obama is ahead in the popular vote and in pledged delegates then she should be the nominee.

    What bothers me is playing to white working class racial resentments;

    What bothers me is sucking up to John McCain;

    What bothers me is the disengenuousness of blaming Obama for Florida and Michigan breaking the rules;

    What bothers me is the caginess when asked if Obama is a secret Muslim;

    The list goes on and on. Its one thing for Hillary to say she is the best person to take on McCain. It's another for her to imply Obama is not qualified and thus cede the whole debate to McCain.

    And finally, this sense of arrogance, entitlement and a seeming willingness to burn the party down if she loses fair and square.

    so, sure, I'd do the snoopy dance and go by a bottle of scotch if she dropped out, but if she wants to run, let her run.

    But she has to play by the same rules as everyone else and she has to work for the Party.

  •  Excellent answer, Barack. (4+ / 0-)

    And an interesting diary.  Not sure I agree with it all, but you make a very good case.

    Recommended.

    JOHN McCAIN = George W. Bush's 3rd term.

    by chumley on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:37:15 PM PDT

  •  Obama gave the right answer (7+ / 0-)

    for someone in his position.  But so did Partick Leahy for someone in his position.

    Hillary should drop out.  It doesn't mean she doesn't have a right to run.  But she should do what is best for the party and for the country and drop out now.  Today.  Call the press conference, wish luck to our presumptive nominee.  

    Does anyone doubt we'd beat McCain if she did that now?  We would.  She should.

    McCain is not getting my state. Is he getting yours?

    by Sun dog on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:40:44 PM PDT

    •  Take the high road (3+ / 0-)

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      I think Obama gave an absolutely great answer, which was not directed at Clinton, but at her supporters. Everyone knows and acknowledges that Clinton has lost, except some of her intense supporters. Obama does not want to lose these supporters. So he has taken the high road and showed that when their candidate loses at the end, it will not because of him.

  •  The mudslinging comes from the media as much as (4+ / 0-)

    from the candidates, i.e. Clinton.  Nothing is going to stop Fox, etc, from throwing crap around.

    I'd like to see Obama begin to advertise for the general.  No much, but just enough to be the one who gets to introduce himself to the public again, in after-primary mode, and to put up some memes counter to those of McCain, for the media to play with.

  •  Good Move Obama (5+ / 0-)

    While the media and his supporters can call for her to drop out, he takes the high road and says she should stay in as long as she wants. Which should make her supporters very happy.

    And, if the rhetoric is toned down a bit, it's not a bad thing.

    First of all, when have young people been so engrossed in the details of the Texas caucus system, let alone the party working in their own home towns. Those young people are the future of our party. When I attended my first local Democratic Party meeting four years ago, I was the youngest person in the room by at least 15 years, and I'm not a kid.

    Second, Hillary is going to run out of money soon. And she's going to lose in NC and Indiana. And then she'll have no choice but to withdraw. And her supporter will come to terms with it.

    If Howard Dean had dropped out after New Hampshire because of the Dean Scream, I would have been so angry that I might not have come around to supporting Kerry in the fall. However, watching him struggle on through a couple more primaries gave me the opportunity to disengage and get used to the idea that he wasn't going to win and to warm to Kerry. So it's a good thing.

    But not for too much longer because we need to focus on McCain. In fact I'm feeling the need to revisit the Library of Congress and do a bit of research on his record.

  •  One proviso: Loser must CONCEDE. Immedeately. (4+ / 0-)

    In general, I agree.  There is much to learn from this year's primary experience.  Much of it has been good but there are some greivous flaws to address.  Bottom line though, I think there is certainly enough time to prepare from Nov.  BUt I want to underline one criteria your diary names for succeess.  

    Once the last contest in Puerto Rico is over, the loser must give the concession speech that night.

    None of this dragging out a delegate battle to the convention.  Concession that night.

  •  The time during which Clinton could (5+ / 0-)

    damage Obama is past. He's clearly bounced back from her best hits and her approval ratings are sinking down into Bush-ian levels. Now she's just hurting herself.

    She's become a non-factor and Obama is right to only talk about her when asked a direct question. Winning gracefully and turning the guns on McCain is what it's all about right now.

    Love, baby, that's where it's at. --The B52's

    by Mind That on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:51:03 PM PDT

  •  Shorter Obama: (4+ / 0-)

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    Hillary can stay in as long as she can afford to.

    How much money for the primaries does she actually still have on hand?

    Vote for McCain to continue the fight against al-Qaeda, vote for Obama to finish it. </war>

    by Calouste on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 02:52:24 PM PDT

    •  In looking for an answer to the question ... (1+ / 0-)

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      I found this tidbt:

      Check out this line from today's Bill Clinton-signed fundraising email for Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign: "We're facing a big deadline on Monday. Our opponents and the media will scrutinize our fundraising reports and look for any sign of weakness. By making a contribution today, you can help make sure we show nothing but strength."

      Of course, the campaign could be playing an expectations game.

      CLINTON FUNDRAISING PROBLEM?

      Are they worried at what their March totals are going to be against Obama's?

  •  I agree with him. (0+ / 0-)

    My question is will she lose the race before he wins it? I think that she will. What I mean is that even with the super delegates she will not be able to get 2025, before all the states have voted.

  •  If I may voice a little quibble (1+ / 0-)

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    not 50 state strategy - 48 state strategy.

    With no delegates allowed from Florida and Michigan it will only be a 48 state atrategy - even in the GE.

    "Proud to proclaim: I am a Bleeding Heart Liberal"

    by sara seattle on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:07:09 PM PDT

    •  Eh. (4+ / 0-)

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      I think if Obama is the nominee, you'll see a serious effort made at winning Michigan, and likewise with Florida if it should be Clinton.

      Sure, some people will decide to stay home in November, or vote Republican because they're mad the DNC didn't give into their bullshit temper tantrums, although, frankly, I think most of those people are actually the state legislators who voted for this crap in the first place, and not the general population.

      This is especially true in Florida, where not taking anything away from either of our candidates' ability to get out the vote, but there was a property tax issue on  the ballot there which was truly driving turnout -- plenty of the voters on January 29 were independents, who didn't get to vote in either of the presidential primaries.

      •  I do hope that (0+ / 0-)

        the elected officials in Florida and Michigan will feel their voters wrath - because these officials screwed their voters - and they should get to pay the price.

        I agree with you that serious efforts will be needed by the nominee to mend fences -

        and I hope that Democrats and Independents will remember that they will be voting for a 100 year war in Iraq if they vote for McCain --

        So unless they are for the war now -- McCain is going to be a tough choice for anyone that wants to get our soldiers home - now.

        There are soldiers dying everyday - voting in McCain will mean voting for more dead soldiers.

        "Proud to proclaim: I am a Bleeding Heart Liberal"

        by sara seattle on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 04:13:38 PM PDT

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    •  We decided to let them vote in November (0+ / 0-)

      Don't know what your comment means about the GE

  •  Please correct misquote in title (3+ / 0-)

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    That is not a direct quote. It's not even an accurate paraphrase of Obama's words. He said that she "can" and "should be able to", but he never said she "should" stay in the race. That may seem like a petty distinction, but it's an important one in this context

    Clinton has been trying obscure that distinction in order to spin the growing criticism of her candidacy as an attack on her civil rights. It's a clever ploy. It transforms her from a spoiler, putting ambition above the public good, into a courageous maverick, soldiering on through the slings and arrows of outrageous political attacks in defense of nothing less than democracy itself.

    Trouble is, it's all a con. No one's saying she doesn't have a right to keep running, only that she should refrain from exercising that right for the good of party and country.

  •  If she released their taxes (0+ / 0-)

    and what is expected is found, how can Bill continue his legacy? I see no way they can do it. Maybe just release hers?

    •  Maybe they are taking the time to (0+ / 0-)

      amend old taxes to "single filing separately" and that's why the delay?

      That would really be funny in a sick, slick way. I don't know if you can do that, I thought amendments were just for errors.

  •  She has every right (0+ / 0-)

    to stay in. I don't think it's smart, the way it's going, but she's got the right to do so.

    I posted some Hillary ranting on my LJ the other day, and one of my readers replied that she still has a chance to win, that there were snipers in the area at the time, and that Obama has a few special-interest groups on his list (this last one is essentially true, but it's not the point). I fully expected complete disagreement from her because she disagrees with everything I say, on principle. And she usually knows a lot more about politics than I do. So this was interesting. Does she support Hillary? Is she actually delusional about things right now? Or is she just going to jump on anything I say because it's her thing? I mean, she's the kind of person who'd probably disagree with me if I wrote "Kittens are cute" because she's the most argumentative little [expletive] on Earth and hates me personally.

    "With a keen eye for details, one truth prevails." - Detective Conan

    by onetruthprevails on Sat Mar 29, 2008 at 03:38:12 PM PDT

  •  Great point (0+ / 0-)

    about Obama "laying down roots for the 50 state strategy".  While McCain drones on about honor, valor, necessary sacrifices, etc - as if he's not in a real race that requires more than the most predictable cliches.  I can't wait to see Obama debate Johhn McCain.  

  •  Casey is a senator from PA not the mid-west (0+ / 0-)

    as stated in your diary

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