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The Part Krugman Leaves Out

Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:17:02 PM PDT

I'm guessing mine won't be the first diary hashing out Krugman's latest attack on Obama and it certainly won't be the last. Other diaries will hopefully offer the kind of point by point deconstruction that I provided back in December.

My goal here is different. It's to point out the importance of what Krugman leaves out - because as any good academic knows, what you leave out is just as important as what you put in.

It's my contention that Krugman's column is fatally flawed by its absence of two related topics: Hillary Clinton and political empowerment. To Krugman this campaign is all about who talks a progressive game. Ironically, the person who Krugman believes best spoke that language - Edwards - himself offered some very centrist things on  health care, for example (he supported a neoliberal solution and pooh-poohed single-payer).

But as we are left with two candidates - Edwards has been gone for over a month - it is reasonable to ask if Krugman's criticisms of Obama are sufficient to suggest Obama would be a bad nominee.

All in all, the Democrats are in a place few expected a year ago. The 2008 campaign, it seems, will be waged on the basis of personality, not political philosophy. If the magic works, all will be forgiven. But if it doesn’t, the recriminations could tear the party apart.

Krugman closes his column on this note, suggesting that Obama is a step in the wrong direction because he's not a progressive. Never mind that Krugman is flat wrong to charge Obama with using right-wing talking points on health care - mandated insurance is a fundamentally right-wing concept, after all - even if we agreed with Krugman re: Obama, what then? Are we to somehow believe that Hillary Clinton is running a campaign based on political philosophy and not personality?

Hillary's recent campaign rhetoric has focused on these oh-so-progressive matters:

  • Who can be trusted to answer a phone in the middle of the night
  • Who can get the biggest bump out of SNL
  • Whether Obama really is Muslim
  • Which states' votes don't count

Krugman is singling out Obama here but giving Hillary a pass. Hillary's campaign has never really emphasized progressive philosophy in any meaningful way. She has not leveled any systematic critique of the Bush/Republican philosophy of government. Instead she has frequently voted to enact that philosophy, most notably in the fall of 2002 when she endorsed Bush and the neocons' Iraq vision. Hillary's health care plan is more conservative now than it was 14 years ago, she spent years helping reinforce the notion that free trade agreements are good and useful, and she has embraced, rather than rejected, the role of lobbyists in governance.

Perhaps Obama is guilty of some or all of these charges. But why single him out in a column, Krugman? By not pointing out how unprogressive Hillary is on the issues, he is doing his readers a significant disservice.

Krugman's other blind spot is more fundamental. Like many economic populists, he is inattentive to the importance of small-d democratic activism in the effort to implement progressive policy. The 30 years of neoliberal economic policy that Krugman now wants us to reject were enabled by the demobilization of the American citizen. Since the 1970s Americans' access to power has been steadily limited. Their voice and their role have been belittled and ignored by the entire media and political establishment.

Democrats have been especially guilty of this - particularly the Clintons. They have routinely and repeatedly, as a core political philosophy (see Paul, we Obama supporters really do care about that stuff), sought to conduct a top-down politics in which voters and Americans merely ratify decisions as quietly and submissively as corporate shareholders. To the Clintons, our role has been to give them the votes they feel they deserve, and shut up and go quietly along in the meantime.

This strategy backfired dramatically in 1994, when alienated Democratic activists stayed home as Republicans won the House. In the aftermath, the Clintons chose to embrace Republican ideas - precisely the charge Krugman levels at Obama - instead of push back against them. The 1990s should have been golden years for Democrats with a popular president and a strong economy - instead they were the hardest times the party had seen in 70 years.

After the Clintons left office in 2001 Democratic activists were left alone, unsupported by the party structure the Clintons had left, to rebuild the party's fortunes in the face of the nation's most dire crisis in many decades. Instead of helping promote these bottom-up, progressive reforms Hillary tried to sabotage them - first by voting for a war whose main goal was the creation of a permanent Republican majority at home and second by, as Ari Berman explains in the newest issue of The Nation, undermining Howard Dean and his 50 state strategy to the point of trying to keep him out of the DNC chairman's position.

In the current race, Hillary is arguing that whole states are irrelevant. As hekebolos and thereisnospoon have described in great detail her campaign has monkeyed with the democratic process in Nevada. They are, according to some reports, trying the same in Texas. They refuse to support new primaries in either MI or FL, trying instead to seat delegates won in undemocratic contests. And Hillary and her subordinates have routinely implied that if the voters do not ratify her "right" to the nomination she will go around them and try and force the superdelegates to do it instead.

Ironically, Hillary's approach to political philosophy is very deeply corporate. It is an upper management exec telling the folks in the cubes to show up when they are told and do as they are told. Dissent is neither encouraged nor welcomed.

Obama, on the other hand, has made the mobilization of new voters and a new movement the core of his campaign. Krugman disdains this by not discussing it, but that only shows how little Krugman understands about how economic and policy change will happen. Unless Americans are mobilized to become politically active, unless they are brought into the system, welcomed with open arms, and encouraged to remain a part of the process, the kind of progressive philosophies and goals we seek will NEVER come about.

Krugman doesn't seem to grasp that means and ends must be harmonious. A top-down corporate approach to politics is not going to somehow produce progressive outcomes. But a progressive, small-d democratic approach to politics is FAR more likely to achieve this.

For - and I want to close on this point - economic democracy requires political democracy. For progressive ideas and goals to be articulated and realized, as many Americans as possible must become participants in the process. When they are shut out or silenced or deemed unimportant, they lose the power to control their own lives and destinies, and one side effect is, as we have seen, rampant inequality.

Obama's campaign is one of the most progressive in modern memory - certainly in my lifetime. I cannot think of anything that reinforces progressive philosophies more strongly than bringing empowerment to the masses. Obama's campaign has mobilized millions of Americans to become active participants in the governance of their nation. That WILL outlast Obama. Win or lose, whether Obama betrays us or not, he has already produced a progressive achievement that we have been waiting 40 years to see.

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  •  Correct me if I'm wrong... (2+ / 0-)

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    but it was my understanding that Edwards was just fine with single-payer and that his plan was designed to move towards that end if it's what the American people showed that they wanted.

    "Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek." Barack Obama

    by Sarah Ann on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:22:38 PM PDT

    •  they (0+ / 0-)

      all say that.

      John McCain, 100 years in Iraq "fine with me"

      by taylormattd on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:23:38 PM PDT

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    •  I've seen varying things on that (8+ / 0-)

      I'm no Edwards expert, but as I understood it he was not consistently praiseworthy of the concept. It would stand to reason that someone held up as a progressive champion would leave no uncertainty about his stance on that - and that he would lead America to a single-payer outcome instead of promoting centrism and kicking the issue down the road.

      This is what bugs me about Krugman. I agree that Obama is not espousing an FDR-type line of progressive policy. Thing is, neither was anyone else in this campaign.

      I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
      Neither is California High Speed Rail

      by eugene on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:25:02 PM PDT

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      •  well, kucinich was (3+ / 0-)

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        although it is arguable whether he was ever really "in" this campaign (no, kucinich fans, it's not about electability, but the man didn't fucking campaign hardly at all).

        still, credit where credit's due.

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        by wu ming on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:40:09 PM PDT

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      •  Actually Krugman Says This...He Just Buries It (1+ / 0-)

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        Now, nobody would mistake Mr. Obama for a Republican — although contrary to claims by both supporters and opponents, his voting record places him, with Senator Clinton, more or less in the center of the Democratic Party, rather than in its progressive wing.

        Even Krugman can't really pretend that there's any daylight between Clinton and Obama on the issues.

        What's really wrong with the column isn't its anti-Obama silliness. It's the lede:

        After their victory in the 2006 Congressional elections, it seemed a given that Democrats would try to make this year’s presidential campaign another referendum on Republican policies.

        Anyone who believed that hasn't been following what the powers-that-be in Democratic Party have actually stood for since at least the mid-1990s. And if you hadn't figured it out before 2006, the 110th Congress should be providing an ongoing lesson in just how interested the Democrats as a whole are in promoting their progressive wing or seriously rolling back Republican policies.

        But the most dishonest thing about the column is what Krugman doesn't mention at all: his own role in bringing this about by using his column to promote neoliberal trade policies like the WTO and NAFTA throughout the late 1990s.

        This nicely summarizes what's wrong with American political life today. (Source)

        by GreenSooner on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:40:11 PM PDT

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    •  yes Sarah Ann (3+ / 0-)

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      THANK YOU!  

      I'm an Edwards Democrat!

      by invisiblewoman on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:34:56 PM PDT

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    •  Obama said that if he were designing (1+ / 0-)

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      a health care system from scratch, he would go with single payer, but since that wasn't the case, he had to work within the existing system.

  •  Excellent analysis (4+ / 0-)

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    and you're just a kid. :-) Kidding of course.  Thanks, eugene for a finely crafted diary.  Tipped and rec'd.

    My faith in the Constitution is whole, it is complete, it is total. Barbara Jordan 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:22:51 PM PDT

  •  reading krugman is just sad now (6+ / 0-)

    seeing one of our best voices degenerate week by week into a bitter, backstabbing concern troll is easily the saddest part of this whole primary season.

    i wish he would stay on vacation until at least the nomination is locked up.

    l'audace! l'audace! toujours l'audace!

    by zeke L on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:24:44 PM PDT

    •  I don't know (6+ / 1-)

      what happened to Krugman. He was the man. he used to be righteous.

      Now he is just an ass.

      Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. --Martin Luther King

      by BlackBox on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:31:55 PM PDT

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      •  I dunno about "ass" (1+ / 0-)

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        But I am curious about what lies beneath his strong antipathy toward Obama. Is it just about policy and rhetoric or is there something deeper? Not speculating on what that something might be, but, I don't think I've ever seen Krugman this combative.

        It's like he's got Armando writing his columns for him. Heh.

        I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
        Neither is California High Speed Rail

        by eugene on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:33:44 PM PDT

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        •  I still think Krugman knows something we don't (4+ / 0-)

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          about Obama's chief economic advisors.  Krugman is a liberal/progressive through and through.  He has serious reservations about Obama.  I think since he's an economist, he can't come out and say it, but I can't ever believe he's not for economic equality and universal health care.  You can't read his books and walk away thinking he's not fighting for us.  

          I'm an Edwards Democrat!

          by invisiblewoman on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:37:18 PM PDT

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          •  If that's so... (4+ / 0-)

            ....why doesn't he come right out and say so? I think it's more just that Obama's style rubs him the wrong way, I think. Or maybe there's some personal thing that he doesn't want to bring up, because it might be seen as petty. Krugman's a writer whom I otherwise have a great deal of respect for, but his anti-Obama monomania in the last couple of months just seems puzzling.

            •  maybe he doesn't feel he can (1+ / 0-)

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              Krugman wouldn't be doing this unless he had a good reason.  He knows the Obama people write him nasty letters and insult him in all sorts of nasty ways.  He's even written about it in his blog.  

              He wouldn't do this unless there was a really good reason.  Krugman has our interests at heart.  I'm sure of it.  Progressives shouldn't abandon him so easily.  He's been alongside us for years.  

              I'm an Edwards Democrat!

              by invisiblewoman on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:50:27 PM PDT

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              •  I'm not abandoning him (1+ / 0-)

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                I just find it odd that a good progressive like Krugman is pretty hostile towards another good progressive in Obama over seemingly minor differences. I know that Krugman was more of an Edwards man, but Edwards is no longer in the race.

              •  I think the reason why has the vendetta against (1+ / 0-)

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                Senator Obama is because I think he was dead-set on an Edwards nomination and he personally blames Obama for that not happening.  He had nothing but praise for Edwards and his columns targetted Obama and Senator Clinton while Edwards was still in.  Now that Edwards isn't running any longer, he has targeted Obama....  

                My hero is Catcher Freeman. He's like Nat Turner, Malcolm X, and Barack Obama all rolled up into one..... He's like a Black Batman....

                by fromdabak on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:27:30 PM PDT

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              •  I think (0+ / 0-)

                that Krugman honestly thinks that Obama's going to get crushed by McCain.

                I think he's wrong, but, in all of his anti-Obama pieces, there's an undercurrent of "we're gonna blow a gimmee election if we nominate this guy."

                Remember: if it's close, they'll steal it.

                by ChurchofBruce on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 12:21:39 AM PDT

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            •  either way (2+ / 0-)

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              why does he have to like him?

              If he doesn't like Obama's style and policies and rhetoric and doesn't think he will bring about progressive changes that he wants, then he is entitled to that opinion.

              Only fringe people would believe that Krugman would advocate an Obama defeat in a general but until he says he wants Obama to lose the man is entitled not to like him or agree with him.

              What's really funny about the new wage of Krugan Hate on Daily Kos is that the very same people who are year ago posted endlessly about their support for single payer health care (the ultimate mandate) now trash the idea as "right wing" (!!!) per the diarist....if that doesn't show you that for some people their support for Obama is not about the issues, then I don't know what.

              Krugman has a right to express his concerns with Obama and to demand that he fall in line like a good Bushie is obscene and uncharacteristic of progressivism.

              "People place their hand on the Bible and swear to uphold the Constitution. They don't put their hand on the Constitution and swear to uphold the Bible." --J.R.

              by michael1104 on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:52:09 PM PDT

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          •  I still like Krugman's other columns (2+ / 0-)

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            And I have concerns about some of Obama's advisors too.

            My point here is that those concerns have to be placed into context. Obama is also conducting one of the most successful progressive campaigns in a long time, against one of the chief agents of the politics of triangulation and Republican collaboration of the last 15 years. I think that matters a great deal when we discuss whether Krugman's claims are correct.

            I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
            Neither is California High Speed Rail

            by eugene on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:47:47 PM PDT

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            •  Well said... (0+ / 0-)

              I think this diary makes the point that needed to be made about the Krugman/Obama/Clinton drama.  Why single anyone out here?  By all objective standards, Clinton is worthy of many of the same criticisms.  Perhaps, like many of us, Krugman simply needs the primaries to be over in order to clear his head.

              I too, still respect Krugman, still read his columns, and will continue to do so for many years to come.  

          •  Or an even simpler explanation (1+ / 0-)

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            ...would be that he's just human and at some point his back and forth with Obama became personal. Perhaps he had one or two honest criticisms of Obama's plans in the beginning but then had a nasty exchange with his campaign or was ticked off by Obama supporters' emails.

            I don't know, but the one thing I don't have is faith... not in a god, not in Obama and not in Krugman. So no matter how progressive he's been or what positions he takes in his books, when I see his repeated attacks on Obama now, I can't conclude that they're genuine and that he knows something I don't know, and that I should take his word for it.

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            by bmozaffari on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:57:44 PM PDT

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          •  I think (3+ / 0-)

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            a donut is excessive. What is trollish about calling Krugman an ass?

            Some of Obama's economic advisers are from the Clinton admin.

            Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. --Martin Luther King

            by BlackBox on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:02:00 PM PDT

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          •  Hey, what's up with the TR? (2+ / 0-)

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            That's really not warranted. We're not supposed to use our TU status to censor conversation as we see fit... read the FAQ for a description of a troll comment... the one by BlackBox is certainly not it.

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            by bmozaffari on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:27:52 PM PDT

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    •  Poverty is poison (2+ / 0-)

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      that column by Krugman was posted recently. It is fabulous.

  •  Old Rules (0+ / 0-)

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    may win, and that will suck.  Krugman will find his way eventually, one hopes.  But if he/they/we are wrong, and this can work (which wouldn't be the most improbable thing ever), it would be much better for us all.

  •  Great diary. (8+ / 0-)

    Krugman needs to open his eyes. Seriously.

  •  Some liberals just hate winning rhetoric (0+ / 0-)

    That's my consistent takeaway from Krugman, Edwards supporters, MyDD, etc. etc.

    I know who Obama's veep will be. You can too!

    by slaney black on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:32:35 PM PDT

    •  There is something to that (4+ / 0-)

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      There are some quarters that vehemently fight a rhetoric of optimism and hope. I don't know why that is.

      I mean, I remain somewhat skeptical of the approach myself. But neither am I threatened by it, and I certainly don't feel a need to lash out at it. Obama's approach has generated some powerful activism and mobilized a lot of new (and old) people. To me that commands respect, and the least I can do is give it a chance to see where it goes.

      I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
      Neither is California High Speed Rail

      by eugene on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:35:36 PM PDT

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      •  I agree (5+ / 0-)

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        I remember back in 2004, arguing with some purist type lefties (which I can be, at times) and they (correctly) pointed out that Howard Dean was not some great progressive. I said that I knew that, but that the movement that he created was a good deal more progressive than he is and that it may well drag him along to the left. It could even be well out of his hands by that time. I think the same might be true of Obama, even if Obama wins and doesn't turn out to be quite as progressive as we'd like. At the very least, he's done a lot to empower people on the left in a way that we haven't been empowered in a good forty years.

        •  The thing is (1+ / 0-)

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          It's easier to fight someone whose policies aren't that progressive if they have helped to empower a whole lot of people. Obama WILL disappoint us as president sooner or later, on this or that issue. So will Hillary. The question then becomes who helps provide the tools to fight back against that disappointment.

          I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
          Neither is California High Speed Rail

          by eugene on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:50:59 PM PDT

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          •  You make an excellent point (2+ / 0-)

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            No Democrat is going to be a savior and we should not expect them to be. Even the great FDR was no lefty, but he did realize what was up and made some great progressive changes in the country. Obama, with the right influences and public pressure, could well do the same. I think it's far better that he empower a whole generation of people who will be making progressive changes in America than having someone who will fail to energize us. Also, JFK inspired a whole generation of people who grew up to be progressive activists, liberal politicians, and other important movers and shakers. I think Obama has a great potential for doing the same, whether or not he is a perfect progressive.

        •  and ironically, (1+ / 0-)

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          Krugman was all FOR Dean back in the 2003/04 primaries.

          Dean was as moderate as moderate could be based on his record, but he used good old fashioned populist rhetoric on the stump. When he was criticized for being too liberal, he was never afraid to point out that "liberal" wasn't a bad word, but his record showed he was fiscally conservative.

          That's why I have a hard time understanding Krugman's  anti-Obama stance.  Unless he just hates the fact that Obama wants to reach across the aisle... maybe he doesn't think Obama is a "pure" enough progressive because he wants to try to pass legislation by consensus-building.

          Either way, it's disheartening to see Krugman going down this path. I wonder if he'll endorse McCain over Obama if Obama is our nominee? I can't imagine him continuing to skewer Obama in the general election, but I guess anything's possible.

          •  I can't imagine... (0+ / 0-)

            ...Krugman endorsing Nader or McCain or keeping up this level of vitriol towards Obama during the general, unless there's some serious grudge between the two of them that I don't know about. Oh, and in the interest of fairness, I'd expect the same thing of Frank Rich, should Clinton be the nominee.

      •  I'm not an Obama fan (0+ / 0-)

        I believe him to be far more centrist than is commonly believed, and I believe that centrism has proved itself unviable as a national governing philosophy.

        But I think he'd make a better President than HRC based on how he's running his Presidential campaign.

        Neither Democratic candidate has experience in running high-budget national organizations other than the ongoing campaigns, and one has run hers into the ground. (would YOU hire the PR guy who took MS from 'unstoppable monopoly' to Vista in the eyes of the public?) This is the kind of decision that doesn't merely look bad in retrospect, this is the kind of decision best described by "WFT WAS she thinking?"

        What I hope for from an Obama Administration is that things will go to hell more slowly under him than they would if anyone else still running won.

        That said, I am willing to be convinced that he's actually right on the issues by his actions as President.

        Looking for intelligent energy policy alternatives? Try here.

        by alizard on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 01:18:30 AM PDT

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    •  Not quite... (1+ / 0-)

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      I think it's more like what Atrios calls "High Broderism." Remember what Broder said about the Clintons? "They came in here and trashed this place, and it's not their place."

      That's exactly the way the Clintons are behaving about Obama and his followers: "it's not their place." They fear defeat in elections less than they fear becoming irrelevant in their own little worlds. After all, for Clinton, Bush is only trashing the country; Obama is showing her up as a doofus and a fake inside her own organization. Why wonder why she hates the latter far more than the former?

  •  A truly irrelevant "analysis" (2+ / 0-)

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    You simply fail to come to terms with the central criticism Krugman makes of Obama's approach to politics: his failure to see political progress as requiring, quite essentially, a dedication to a fight against enemies of progress.

    Why might you want to ignore that point, one wonders?

    It's always striking to me how the very blogosphere that was united about no principle so much as the notion that we needed Democrats who will "fight back", is now nearly unified around a politician who could hardly be more dismissive of that concept.

    It's like they've all become part of a personality cult, and have gladly given up on some of their most basic convictions.

  •  When I read many of these "columnists" (0+ / 0-)

    who make these types of assetions or other ascerbic writings, I get the impression their columns are job applications for either chief propagandist or other positions in a hoped for Clinton administration, the same seems to be true for alot of high profile supporters, they either owe a debt, want something, or are compromised in some other fashion

  •  FALSE! (4+ / 0-)

    Edwards did NOT pooh-pooh single payer health care!  Why spread lies about a candidate you admit has been out of the race for some time now?  

    Edwards plan was a step toward getting to single payer health care.  He stated this in his speeches.  It was a TRACK to single health care!  please edit your diary accordingly.  No first ask yourself it your criticism lie towards Edwards is necessary for your diary.  Then if you think it isn't essential then please edit it out.  

    Thank you.

    I'm an Edwards Democrat!

    by invisiblewoman on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:34:17 PM PDT

    •  No (3+ / 0-)

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      Mandated insurance is a step away from single-payer care, for reasons I have gone into in depth in other diaries - click my username to see some of these. I stand by my criticisms of Edwards. If he supported single-payer he would have proposed it. Simple. as. that.

      I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
      Neither is California High Speed Rail

      by eugene on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:40:24 PM PDT

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      •  No Edwards' plan was simple (2+ / 0-)

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        there was mandated health insurance but there was also the option for all to join an expanding medicaid/medicare option.  The idea was that more people would realize they had more to gain from the government program (which would be non-profit and is one of the best in the world) and would bankrupt the private insurances.  Much like how public schools took over private schools in many places because they were considered better quality.  

        The plan was to bring the people to single-payer because they would realize that it was a better option when they could have tested both and found one to be superior.  

        I'm an Edwards Democrat!

        by invisiblewoman on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:44:10 PM PDT

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        •  I understand the logic of Edwards' plan (0+ / 0-)

          I was just never fully convinced it would work. One can see the potential problems in the Massachusetts program, which had the difficulty that the government plan was proving to be more expensive than private plans:

          Additional concerns have been generated by projections that the state’s insurers plan to raise rates 10 percent to 12 percent next year, twice this year’s national average. That would undercut the plan’s secondary goal of slowing the increase in health costs.

          “We’re going to be very aggressive in trying to get those numbers down to single digits,” said Jon M. Kingsdale, executive director of the Commonwealth Health Insurance Connector Authority, the agency that markets the subsidized insurance policies. “If we continue with double-digit inflation, I don’t think health reform is sustainable.”

          Many things can go wrong with mandates, especially if implemented on a national scale. And if the government plan, for whatever reason, cost more than the private options, mandates would only serve to funnel money to the insurance companies.

      •  Yes (1+ / 0-)

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        If we want health care purity, Edwards is not the way to go. Nor is Clinton. And while Obama's plan is lacking, as well, at least it doesn't tie us down with mandates. I'd be happy if we adopted Kucinich's plan, but unfortunately, that doesn't seem likely. That was the best choice.

  •  Yup (0+ / 0-)

    I really don't understnd what isgoing onwith Krugman.  I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt, but frankly he seems to have abandoned intellectual honesty.

    Not sure when Obama pissed in his Cheerios, but Krugman seems to have a negative agenda regarding him.  Krugman is succeeding in eroding my trust of someone, but it ain't Obama.

    'I speak, therefore I act' is the great American illusion of politics.

    by snout on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:36:39 PM PDT

    •  A long campaign reveals not only the candidates.. (1+ / 0-)

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      SciVo

      but their more visible supporters and other public commenters as well. Krugman is not the only one who has trashed his reputation.

      Let the word go forth from this time and place...that the torch has been passed to a new generation of Americans--Obama '08

      by Azdak on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:51:54 PM PDT

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  •  typical anti-Hillary slime (2+ / 0-)

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    Hillary's recent campaign rhetoric has focused on these oh-so-progressive matters:

    Who can be trusted to answer a phone in the middle of the night
    Who can get the biggest bump out of SNL
    Whether Obama really is Muslim
    Which states' votes don't count

    Nasty bullshit, nothing more.

  •  Well, I give Krugman a little license on this (3+ / 0-)

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    column, mainly because he (rightly) called Clinton a centrist. So doing that gives him a little more credibility. As for Obama being a centrist, it depends on your metric. If "Democratic Wing of the Democratic Party" defines Howard Dean or Paul Wellstone, then I think maybe 5 Senators might hit that. If Krugman's metric is relative, then I think it would be safe to put Obama in the Progressive camp.

    Moreover, Krugman wants Obama to be a firebrand, which he isn't, rightfully or not, and I think that this column is expressing frustration with that. He wants Obama to stamp it within the minds of the public that Republicans are god-awful clusterf*cked failures.

    Lastly, I think he's right about the last part. If Obama wins, every single anti-Obama person in the Democratic Party will collectively say, "I TOLD YOU SO!!!!". And a lot of infighting will happen. That's what happened in 2004, after all.

    John McCain goes to bed every night after servicing by Joe Lieberman.

    by bhagamu on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:49:39 PM PDT

    •  Obama represents change (1+ / 0-)

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      Not because of progressive policies, but rather his new tactics. Krugman, Clinton, and the old guard understand the need for identity politics. The civil rights movements of the 60s and 70s came together to tear down the old assumptions. Groups had to band together to demand their rights. It is the way change came about. It was essential.

      Obama is making the argument that now, to move the issues we all care about forward, we need to employ different tactics.

      People whose experience tells them one set of tactics works fear the change to a new approach. I happen to believe Obama's new approach is the right approach to advance the liberal agenda.

    •  you mean infighting if he loses the GE (nt) (0+ / 0-)

      I also believe we must impeach Antonin Scalia for protection from his inhumanity.

      by SciVo on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 03:35:22 AM PDT

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  •  My own response (3+ / 0-)

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    to Paul Krugman, which I sent as a Letter to the Editor:

    I typically look forward to Paul Krugman’s columns, since I can usually rely upon them for factual, thoughtful analysis.  It was with therefore with a large degree of disappointment that that I read his latest column, which finds Mr. Krugman rather out of sorts.  Mr. Krugman’s "analysis" in this case relies upon conjecture, flawed assumptions, and strawmen to make his central argument, which is that Senator Barack Obama is an intellectually dishonest poseur.  He mocks Mr. Obama’s appeal to independents as a futile attempt at political "unity" and questions his progressive credentials, relying upon the popular meme that asserts Mr Obama gives great speeches, but lacks substance on policy.

    Never mind that Mr. Obama’s policy positions are extensively detailed and do not differ markedly from those of his primary opponent, Senator Hilary Clinton.  Never mind that Mr. Obama’s appeal to both progressives and independents rests on his consistently good judgment on a multitude of issues, including the Iraq War.  Never mind that, whatever the polls might say, Democratic voters across the country have flocked to Mr. Obama throughout this primary process, which is exactly why he increasingly looks like the eventual nominee.

    Mr. Krugman seems frustrated that his preferred candidate, Mrs. Clinton, is struggling in these primaries.  Instead of parroting right-wing talking points, however, he would better serve his readers, and the progressive causes he purports to support, by focusing his attention on the flawed positions of Senator John McCain and the Republican Party.

  •  Neither Obama nor Clinton are progressive enough (0+ / 0-)

    Duh. Krugman has a point over the health plans (not that either will remain intact after going to Congress) but now he is just swinging wildly when he singles out Obama's campaign.

    Krugman is just proving he is human.

    "Mr. President, I'm not saying we wouldn't get our hair mussed." General Buck Turgidson

    by muledriver on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 09:53:03 PM PDT

  •  Any Guesses Why the Power Structure Is Now (1+ / 0-)

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    (or still) weighing in when it's so very unlikely she'll pull it off.

    Except that much of the power structure is Republican and has only to gain if the Democrats take each other out.

    Well there's a cultural issue too.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Mar 02, 2008 at 10:02:51 PM PDT

  •  Krugman (3+ / 0-)

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    What astonishes me about Krugman and people with similar sympathies is the extent they're willing to overlook, or simply forgive, the Clintons' demonstrated tendancy to lurch to the right when they believe that they're politically vulnerable.  I have no doubt that Hillary Clinton wants to pass and implement the health care plan she's proposing now.

    But what do you think she won the White House and Republicans scored big in the mid-terms?  The Clintons only have one play: co-opt GOP issues while convincing Dems to go along because if the Republicans have a free hand things would just get worse.

    I have no doubt Clinton opposed the Iraq war--but she voted to authorize it.  Have no doubt she considers DOMA to be an abomination--but she still doesn't favor its full repeal.  She opposed NAFTA in private?  No surprise to me.  Thought welfare reform was a cave-in but was politically necessary?  Yep, fits the bill.  This is a very long list.

    And yet still people like Krugman are wishing that her good intentions will win out.  "See how smart she is?  She's building political capital".  This is like Orwell's Big Rock Candy Mountain in "Animal Farm".  

    And the only explanation I can come up with is that Krugman and many older liberals have become more than a bit neurotic--they came of political age expecting that liberalism would emerge triumphant, got sucker punched by Reaganism and its populist appeal--and that was the two-by-four, not simply that Reagan was successful from a policy standpoint but that he was popular--and they've been dumbfounded ever since.

    It's a remarkable blank check from one baby boomer to another--I know what you want to do, and I'm willing to forg