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In 05 Obama tried to fix the Patriot Act; Hillary stopped him by voting with the GOP

Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:43:26 PM PDT

There is a wide-spread belief fueled by a lazy media that Obama and Hillary are so close on so many issues that policy-wise it really doesn't matter which one gets elected.  But there ARE significant policy differences between them and they DO matter.   For example
In an op-ed that ran in  Sunday's New York Times Author and Law Professor Jeffery Rosen recounts a moment in 2005 when they stood Poles apart on restoring our lost civil liberties.  Obama was for it and Hillary, inexplicably was agin' it

In the Senate, Mr. Obama distinguished himself by making civil liberties one of his legislative priorities. He co-sponsored a bipartisan reform bill that would have cured the worst excesses of the Patriot Act by meaningfully tightening the standards for warrantless surveillance. Once again, he helped encourage a coalition of civil-libertarian liberals and libertarian conservatives. The effort failed when Hillary Clinton joined 13 other Democrats in supporting a Republican motion to cut off debate on amendments to the Patriot Act.

So again they were similar in that  they were both part of bi-partisan coalitions, it's just that one was standing for the side of good and right, and the other helped buttress the "evil empire". But other than that....

In all seriousness though, this to me is huge, The candidates have vastly different track records on caring about Civil liberties. Compare and contrast our two candidate's on this:

 Obama, a Constitutional Law professor by training, seems to really care about civil rights going back to his Days in the Illinois legislature:

Mr. Obama made his name in the Illinois Legislature by championing historic civil liberties reforms, like the mandatory recording of all interrogations and confessions in capital cases. Although prosecutors, the police, the Democratic governor and even some death penalty advocates were initially opposed to the bill, Mr. Obama won them over. The reform passed unanimously, and it has been adopted by four other states and the District of Columbia.

As someone who once got to student-practice Criminal Law in Chicago, in particular four capital cases I cannot tell you how HUGE a victory this seemingly simple thing was or how ferocious the opposition was.  
The powers that be from the Police, to the prosecutors, to even a majority f the criminal judiciary fought this bill tooth and nail.

Keep in mind they were fighting this even AFTER it came to light that in the period from 1980-2203 Illinois had executed 13 men; and that 13 more had been exonerated while on death row and set free.  and AFTER a civil trial revealed that Chicago Police captain John Burge kept a torture chamber in his precinct house in Area 2 and had beaten confessions out of several of those death row inmates there.  None of that made a dent really.  While then governor and future felon Gov Ryan did institute a temporary moratorium  on executions; there was absolutely no poltical will anywhere to "drain the swamp" and prevent furute abuses (hell even getting re-trials for Burge's victims was a hard slog).

 In Spite of all this opposition, Obama put all his political capital  line to force a bill through that while it undoubtedly advanced justice; had no natural constituency and in fact opened him up to "soft on crime" attacks by future political opponents and opposition advocacy ads from the FOP and others.  That's an impressive moment of political and personal courage in my book.

NOw let's contract that with Hillary's record (* and since I'm being fair-minded we'll exclude her husband's excreable record on this issue, even though she claims his years in office as part of her record).  Her Major Civil Liberties accomplishments were:

and then we have this 05 episode where she went out of her way and made common cause witht he Republicans to take away our rights.
To me, what makes this switch so egregious is that I doubt it stemmed from any deep-held  conviction on the part of Hillary as to the desirability and legality of allowing government eavesdropping without a warrant.   Instead I think it was part of larger bit of political calculation, as to how Centrist and "strong" on national security it would make her appear.  If fact is seems part and parcel of a larger tack to center that appeared to be , dare I say?, an attempt at "triangulation" by a Senator that was already looking forward to November of 08:

That wasn’t the first time Mrs. Clinton tacked to the center in a civil-liberties debate. In 2005, she co-sponsored a bill that would have made it a federal crime to intimidate someone by burning a flag, even though the Supreme Court had struck down similar laws in the past. (Mr. Obama supported a narrower bill that would have satisfied the Constitution.)

And Mrs. Clinton opposed a moderate proposal by the United States Sentencing Commission that would have retroactively reduced the draconian penalties for possession of crack cocaine — a proposal supported by Mr. Obama, and by liberal as well as conservative judges.

You don't need to be a schnauzer to hear the "dog-whistling" going on there:  Anti-flag burning (however it was dressed up)?  Tough on Crime?  Hell, she was so perfectly traingulated she was even all set to be the front-runner in the Republican Primary too.

Now to be fair Senator-Candidate Clinton has SAID some of the right things about privacy and civil rights:

She has called for the resurrection of a federal "privacy czar" who would balance the privacy costs and benefits of regulations.

She made an eloquent speech in the Senate opposing the suspension of habeas corpus. And she has emphasized the importance of Congressional oversight of executive power

But then someone recently reminded me of the dangers of following someone who SAYS all the right things but doesn't back it up by action.   Who, oh who, was that?

Oh Yeah-HER.

So while Obama and Hillary are very close on many issues, I'd submit there are two they remain far apart on:  Civil Liberties is one, But character and Commitment to their professed ideals seems to be another

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  •  Maybe its because I'm a lawyer (28+ / 0-)

    But Civili Liberties MATTERS to me,  It always has, even in my darkest days as a Republican (before I saw the light in 99-00)  this was always my #1 hot button issue (hell I formally renounced my republican registration the same day the Patriot Act Passed, and that wasn't a coincidence)

    I was always disappointed with Bill's record on this,   but saying I'm "disappointed" in bush and the Republicans s like saying an atomic bomb makes a loud noise.  

    The Bill of Rights is in tatters right now, that's not even a slight exaggeration,  We desperately need someone brave enough to put it back together if we want to recognize America in 20 years

    Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

    by Magorn on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:46:40 PM PDT

    •  This professional historian is with you. (11+ / 0-)

      Most people simply do not understand that our Republic is virtually dead.

      I am voting for the ONLY person who has pledged to restore Habaeus Corpus and the Constitution.

      That person is the Constitutional Law Professor Barack Obama.

      Hillary Clinton - "Damn the voters! Fool speed ahead!"

      by CanAm on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:50:48 PM PDT

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      •  It's a perfect storm (5+ / 0-)

        Three are three powerful trends colliding right now:

        The "Intelligence culture" of the last 50 years and its tendency to slap classify any inconvenient information about what our government is doing,

        A "red Scare" over terrorism that shows how little we learned from similar "red scares" in the 20's and 50's (both also interestingly enough, times when corporate dominance of our economic system was being challenged by Strongly pro-worker, pro-middle class strains of progressivism)

        And a White House whose De facto head is a guy who thinks the lessons of Watergate is that the president didn't have enough power, not that he had too much.

        Individually we could handle them, but altogether, they are doing SERIOUS damage to our baseline expectations of Privacy and Freedom in a way that may do permanent damage.

        Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

        by Magorn on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:59:54 PM PDT

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        •  These things have been colliding for some time... (2+ / 0-)

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          A powerful military industrial complex with no real threat exaggerated the threat of terrorism for its own benefit and to the detriment of the people.

          Eisenhower warned us of this...

          The other factor is the Imperial Presidency.

          Obama, a young man--first black president--will not be able to be an Imperial President.  This will bring much power back to Congress.

          In the end, however, you may be right that the damage may be permanent.

          If there ever were a case for Impeachment in American history, this was the time.  Too bad the process was abused over a sex scandal.  For that reason alone, I blame much of what has happened to the nation on Bill Clinton.

          He should not be let anywhere near the wheels of power EVER--certainly not through the proxy of his wife.

          Hillary Clinton - "Damn the voters! Fool speed ahead!"

          by CanAm on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:22:53 PM PDT

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    •  Bill Clinton - Ricky Ray Rector (0+ / 0-)

      Need anyone have to say anything else?

      do we still have a Republic and a Constitution if our elected officials will not stand up for them on our behalf?

      by teacherken on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:03:58 PM PDT

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  •  Character is a big difference (7+ / 0-)

    Clinton has zero, and Obama has lots of it.  

    John McCain's Something for Everyone Plan: Military draft for youth, SS benefit cuts for elderly, Middle Class destruction, stock market plunge for wealthy.

    by IhateBush on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 06:47:31 PM PDT

  •  Thanks for the great diary. (4+ / 0-)

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    Magorn, tbetz, Drowning Wave, Shhs

    Every day it seems there's more and more beef to go along with my Kool-Aid.

  •  Civil rights, Voter rights (4+ / 0-)

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    SecondComing, Magorn, tbetz, Drowning Wave

    Obama also worked together with Russ Feingold to stand up against Bush and up-hold Civil rights, and Voter's rights. Hillary nastily told Russ Feingold to "Live in the 'real world'" when he was working on campaign finance reform.

    Barack Obama’s move to block a controversial nominee to the Federal Election Commission could help the presidential candidate burnish his civil rights bona fides and woo black voters away from Hillary Clinton.

    Obama and Sen. Russ Feingold (D-Wis.) this week put a hold on Senate confirmation proceedings for FEC nominee Hans von Spakovsky, who has been accused of diluting minority voting power during his time as a Justice Department lawyer.

    Though the Senate is expected to revisit the nominations when it returns from a one-week recess, the hold was an astute political play by Obama.

    more at:
    http://www.politico.com/...

    •  Forgot to mention her little Texas Two-step on VR (2+ / 0-)

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      William Domingo, tbetz

      Now that you mention it there is also her campaign's lovley little Texas two step on free and fair elections to consider:

      According to the Dallas Morning News

      The people in charge of Training Hillary's Caucus Delegates are telling them, in writing, to cheat

      The materials say in part, "DO NOT allow the supporter of another candidate to serve in leadership roles."
      It goes on to say, "If our supporters are outnumbered, ask the Temporary Chair if one of our supporters can serves as the Secretary, in the interest of fairness.
      "The control of the sign-in sheets and the announcement of the delegates allotted to each candidate are the critical functions of the Chair and Secretary. This is why it is so important that Hillary supporters hold these positions."

      Knowledge is power Power Corrupts Study Hard Be Evil

      by Magorn on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:16:36 PM PDT

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  •  sadly this won't matter to the hard-liners (1+ / 0-)

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    Magorn

    They will see this Diary as Hillary hate!

    The definition of insanity is voting the same way and expecting a different result. I'm talking to you FL,OH, KY, WV!

    by Shhs on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:11:03 PM PDT

  •  I wish, (1+ / 0-)

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    Magorn

    but Obama, like Clinton voted for the wholly inadequate final PATRIOT Act renewal package. Both promised at the time to return and "fix" it. Crickrets.

    Running against Herb "WIRETAP" Kohl in 2012. $1/year. Cash preferred.
    Masel4Senate 1214 E. Mifflin, Madison, WI 53703

    by ben masel on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:37:25 PM PDT

  •  I'd rec this twice if I could. (1+ / 0-)

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    Magorn

    This alone is reason enough to vote Obama.

    I want my Republic back, dammit.

    "No, no, we are not satisfied, and we will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream." --MLK

    by Progressive Witness on Mon Mar 03, 2008 at 07:59:33 PM PDT

  •  This really distinguishes Barack (0+ / 0-)

    from Hillary on Constitutional issues. Hillary obviously prefers capitulating to the far-right then fighting for our rights as citizens.

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