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The Cult Meme. Stop it. Now.

Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 01:25:11 PM PDT

In yesterday’s (March 5) local paper (Denton Record Chronicle) a regular column by Lenore Skenazy appeared with this title:

Sen. Obama’s feel-good wave doesn’t appeal to all  

Here's the link

I am getting irritated with so-called journalists who keep spreading this ignorant meme.

Ms. Skenazy makes the case for her superior ability to rise above the Obama hysteria by being one of two of her friends who has not succumbed to the messianic Obama cult.

“People look at him and say, ‘Oh, he’s our savior,’ so I hesitate to say in front of other people that I don’t get that great warm feeling when I look at him,” my friend Marla confessed the other night in her kitchen.

It was such a relief to find another cult member.

The cult of the “he’s smart, he’s nice, but I’m not convinced he’s the Messiah” voter.

Your eyelids are getting heavy.  You WILL follow me below the fold:

After Ms. Skenazy  admits inspiration in itself is good she goes on to trivialize it.

OK, so now I can ask: Is the Obama campaign becoming a cult?

It’s hard not to sense something a little strange going on, considering the nearly unprecedented swell of love and fervor the man is inspiring. Contributions are pouring in. Endorsements are raining down.

Even people are falling down; at six of Sen. Obama’s rallies, people have fainted.

She then quotes the experts:

Over at the International Cultic Studies Association, Executive Director Michael Langone agrees that attracting this kind of ardor was never Obama’s intent. Nonetheless, the rookie senator is providing the perfect petri dish for cult cultivation: a feel-good message of hope and change that never gets too specific.

I won’t bore you with more drivel from this shallow editorial.  There has been extensive discussion through many excellent diaries and stories on this very site addressing the insulting cult meme as well as countless articles which you can easily google.

Hillary Clinton has done her part to launch the theme and perpetuate the trivialization of Obama’s inspirational message of hope by attacking his strength, (a Bush-Rovian stratagem.)  Her recent statement that only she and Senator McCain have a lifetime of experience on foreign affairs, yet all Obama has is a speech is just one example.

I’ve heard radio callers repeat the “empty suit” attack.

One of the best diaries on this site which presents an excellent and cogent assessment of the candidate which disposes of the cultism charge is from kid oakland.

Kid Oakland Diary

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The enthusiastic response of voters to Barack Obama's use of phrases like "to heal our nation and repair the world" has created concerns and even mockery in some quarters. Where is the substance?, critics ask.

Kid O.  provides an extensive list of topics and links that present Obama’s specific views and statements on a large range of issues and policies which so-called journalists like Ms. Skenazy might find helpful before they go off on some viral meme that has been spread throughout the media by lazy journalists who would rather scratch the surface of political gossip rather than delve into relevant research before presenting such an insulting opinion.

Another excellent source which debunks the cult smear is by Ron Chusiat liberalvaluesblog.

Liberal Values Blog

Barack Obama has often been described as inspirational. Some of his detractors have applied the Rove tactic of directly attacking the opponent’s strengths, twisting his inspirational nature to create fear that the Obama campaign is some sort of cult. The pro-Clinton bloggers have been pushing this meme for a while. Generally if something is repeated often enough in the blogosphere there will be a reporter who will believe he can use the idea for an article.

Jack Tapper and Lenore Skenazy come to mind.

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but most of what I read from Obama supporters is based upon rational comparisons of the candidates without using the type of religious fervor Tapper describes. Even those I see which do border on such an attitude are no more irrational than those who back Clinton because of her non-existent superior experience or purely because she is female.

Ron Chusid goes on to explain why people are not voting for Obama because he is the Messiah, but that he would make a better president than Clinton.  Particularly in light of her dishonest smears and race baiting which demonstrates a disturbing character defect.

But what Ron Chusid verbalizes so much better than I and crystallizes what has made me so irritated with columns like Leonre Skenazy’s is that even though Obama has been very specific about his views there are those who lazily refuse to engage in the research to formulate an honest assessment.  It’s so much easier to be spoon fed the gossipy media hype.  This not only includes journalists, but a large number of Americans.

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....most people do not review such proposals at length and this is not what influences many voters. Obama realizes that he will pick up far more votes by being inspirational than by being a policy wonk when speaking in public. Many find this to be a virtue in itself, believing it will take an inspirational politician using the bully pulpit of the White House to accomplish progressive goals.

Other daily kos diaries which dispel the cult myth are:

kos blog by manumit

Regarding the so called Obama "cult"
and

kos blog by Yerba Buena

The "Cult" of Obama

I encourage everyone to read these articles and posts to debunk this ridiculous cult meme.

And to those so-called journalists like Ms. Skenazy, please just stop it. Now.

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  •  I prefer Progressive CULTure...; ) (7+ / 0-)

    Dudehisattva...

    "Generosity, Ethics, Patience, Effort, Concentration, and Wisdom"

    by Dood Abides on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 01:26:34 PM PDT

  •  E.J. Dione: (9+ / 0-)

    "It's laughable to hear conservatives talk darkly about a 'cult of personality' around Obama. The Reaganites, after all, have lobbied to name every airport, school, library, road, bridge, government building and lamppost after the Gipper."

  •  your problem is with will.i.am (3+ / 0-)

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    to cite just one example.

    John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."

    by desmoinesdem on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 01:28:41 PM PDT

    •  will.i.am (1+ / 0-)

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      desmoinesdem

      is a bit crazy.

      Jack Nicholson in character as the Joker and Jack Torrance? That scares me more than any cult reference.

      "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice.
      "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."

      by eColt on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 01:32:35 PM PDT

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    •  don't forget Oprah as annointed him as... (1+ / 0-)

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      desmoinesdem

      THE ONE.

      The frenzy turns off some people. It's draws in others.

      Spears/Hilton '08

      by cosbo on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 01:34:54 PM PDT

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      •  Oprah does not have the power (1+ / 0-)

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        rlharry

        to anoint anyone.

        "The One" was not a reference to Jesus/Savior/Messiah, but to MLK.  some people have been waiting for generations for a charismatic young orator to come along who can advocate for the "beloved community".  It's been 40 years since MLK was killed, and even his work got cut short.  mainstream AA culture is very religious and already has a savior.  But politically, AAs have been waiting for "the one" a very long time.

        Of course O has turned this around (as he always does) by saying it is not about him.  It is about all of us.  "We are the ones we have been waiting for" is a line that has been quoted by feminists at least since the late 70s and is a rallying cry for progressives to stop waiting for "a savior" and make change happen ourselves.

        it's not a frenzy.  it's not a cult.  it's perfectly rational.  it's perfectly reasonable.

        using terms like cult and frenzy to describe the very cool calm and collected Obama campaign is a RW talking point and should be avoided by true progressives just as we don't refer to the "Democrat Party" or the "death tax."

        Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

        by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:26:14 PM PDT

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  •  When I feel really angry and frustrated (2+ / 0-)

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    tipsymcstagger

    by shit like this, I pray to Him and then I feel better.

  •  Blue Oyster Cult (3+ / 0-)

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    beemerr90s, rlharry, meatwad420

    More cowbell!

    Do you know the difference between education and experience? Education is when you read the fine print; experience is what you get when you don't. Pete Seeger

    by Mas Gaviota on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 01:30:34 PM PDT

  •  over-eager Obama supporters (8+ / 0-)

    are also partly responsible for the "cult" meme, as I've written before.

    I have found Obama supporters get very annoyed if I say I don't like him, even though I am going to vote for him in the general. I don't understand what is going on here. Four years ago, I didn't make it my mission to convert every former Deaniac to love Kerry.

    John McCain: 100 years in Iraq "would be fine with me."

    by desmoinesdem on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 01:33:22 PM PDT

    •  Agreed (3+ / 0-)

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      Rolfyboy6, Fabian, dougymi

      Obama is NOT a cult leader, but many of his followers deal with dissent in a very fanatical, cult-like fashion.  That is the problem, and one that can backfire, even if the media is an accessory to the crime.  Dean is the perfect example of this.  Obama's ability to win hinges on his supporter somehow figuring this out.

      •  sadly, no has a good post on the whole (5+ / 0-)

        phenomenon today, here. It's worth a read.

        I might add that, the cult theme would be a lot easier to dispel if it weren't tied so tightly to the hillary is evil theme.  Both are inane.  They're politicians, not good or evil deities.

        A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

        by dougymi on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 01:43:27 PM PDT

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      •  The problem is with the followers (6+ / 0-)

        who have elevated an Chicago politician to messianic proportions.  They chant slogans, they use the same slogans, they talk in jargon.  All of which are used to to self-reinforce their devotion.  It's no wonder that people look at them dubiously. Not everyone is driven that way.  I'm an Obama supporter and I think they've lost all sense of proportion.  Many of them are low information people and want to be led.  Their worship of "The Leader" is obvious.  It's very easy to see and it's no wonder news reporters pick up on it.

        •  What Hillabees supporters don't chant??? n/t (2+ / 0-)

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        •  Perfect analysis (0+ / 0-)

          Tom wolf does a nice job explaining this.

          Kesey paints up the bus in military drab with military symbols. They drive into Berkeley, and he gets up to speak in front of a mass of protesters. Instead of riling them up for the march, he says, "You know, youo’re not gonna stop this war with this rally, by marching... That’s what they do... They hold rallies and they march... and that’s the same game you’re playing... their game..."(p. 222 The Electric Kool-Aid Acid Test)

        •  Maybe some have lost... (1+ / 0-)

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          their sense of proportion.  But, from my experience at our Precinct Convention Tuesday, there are some rabid Hillary fans out there too.  Low information people are in both camps.  But what irritates me are the low information editorialists who are using this meme to Swift boat Obama.  Rather than taking the time to find out his stance on various issues, they repeat the meme that Obama hasn't presented specific policy positions, that he is simply an inspirational guy with hypnotized worshippers.  And the Clinton campaign is a part of this attack.

          "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

          by rlharry on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:19:57 PM PDT

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          •  Low Information has been the hallmark (1+ / 0-)

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            rlharry

            of the two finishers campaigns (and yeah, I've been all over the websites and the .pdfs).  both have beautiful copy written positions.   this is something that Obama needs to move on and to get additional voters.  I think he's reached the charisma maximum on voter attraction.  Fortunately he's got the time now for additional message work.  He's going to have to get some policy into his speeches.  There's a tendency for some supporters to already write off Pennsylvania when he could finally deal with some of the economic issues instead and gain some blue collar support.

            •  get some policy into the speeches? (1+ / 0-)

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              rlharry

              lately the speeches have been ALL policy.

              I saw several Ohio events where he gave a very abbreviated version of the stump speech and spent most of the time answering questions.  People who waited hours to see and hear him had to have been disappointed that they didn't get the stemwinder that other crowds got to hear in other states.

              Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

              by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:31:03 PM PDT

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      •  some HRC supporters are ridiculously cultlike! (1+ / 0-)

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        rlharry

        Some of them seem to have no grip on reality at all.

        Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

        by TrueBlueMajority on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:28:43 PM PDT

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    •  You are right. (4+ / 0-)

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      4democracy, desmoinesdem, kbman, dougymi

      There's a line between enthusiasm and zealotry.  Some have crossed it.

      Proud member of the Cult of Issues and Substance!

      by Fabian on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 01:40:04 PM PDT

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    •  I criticized him and got HR (1+ / 0-)

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      desmoinesdem, rlharry

      I am really fed up. There is no site I know of treating Obama supporters this way. Maybe I am missing the site, but I don't know where..

      The Obama supporters need to get their emotions under control. I will probably get HR (ed) for this as well, but I think this is hurting Obama. Don't blame the media, in my humble opinion, I have experienced it. Pure emotionality. Hatred. Venom.

      Ugh. I would vote for either and I just don't understand it, and I keep saying it's going to hurt Obama if you all keep it up.

      Now...cult members...HR me.

      The greatest gift you can contribute to the goal of world peace is to heal.

      by wavpeac on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 01:55:53 PM PDT

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      •  wavepeac (0+ / 0-)

        You Will vote for Obama. Hillary is evil.  Drink some koolaid.  

        Just kidding.  And if Hillary wins the nomination, she'll get my vote too.  But, there are overly enthusiastic supporters in the Hillary camp too. And I do blame the media for not doing their homework and instead repeating and perpetuating the cult meme to tarnish Obama.

        "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

        by rlharry on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:26:02 PM PDT

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    •  At the same time... (0+ / 0-)

      My friends who support Hillary are quite put off that I support Obama.  It goes both ways.  One can't control the feelings/passion/enthusiasm of your supporters.  But, to launch a concerted effort to attack the man for being inspirational is nothing more than a smear tactic.  I, for one, am more than eager to be inspired after seven years in the wasteland of BushCo.

      "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke

      by rlharry on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:08:31 PM PDT

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  •  Cult of Obama-Jesus (1+ / 0-)

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    bugscuffle

    The whole bit about the cult is a direct result of some members of the Obama people loosing touch with reality.  No one accused Dean of leading a cult of personality despite the enthusiasm shown.  Nor Reagan - because people were not fainting at the sight of either of them nor cheering for sneezes.  The Obama frenzy more resembles Ron Paul's group more than anything else - only most Ron Paul people could identify several political positions they agreed with.  While many here can identify Obamas positions, a great many out there in the cult cannot - they just want him to hope all over them.

  •  Does it only occur to me that (3+ / 0-)

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    "The Cult Meme. Stop it. Now."

    sounds like something a cult member would say to keep a fellow cult member in line?

    Might want to adopt a less cultish tone if you want to make an effective argument.

  •  Lets see... (2+ / 0-)

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    rlharry, munodi

    I have been a commie, a traitor, a surrender monkey, etc...

    But this year I am now a latte drinking, volvo driving cult member.  I just wish I could be a Democrat.  Maybe if I blindly supported Hillary I could be.

    I will do whatever Hillary wants so I can become a good Democrat again and not a cult member.

    "We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." --Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002-GWB

    by meatwad420 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 01:51:42 PM PDT

  •  Cult is a loaded term... (1+ / 0-)

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    rlharry

    but there is the group dynamic that is real and transcends the actual qualities and policies of the individual.

    We are humans and not computer programs designed for policy optimization.  

    To the degree that we are open then it is less of a cult.  To the degree that we only want to applaud support and demean criticism it is more of a cult.

    I have no illusions about Obama, nor about any failable human who aspires to political leadership.  Here was my suggestion about his campaign in a diarytoday.

  •  well ... (1+ / 0-)

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    desmoinesdem

    "... a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama"

    - Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire.
    January 7, 2008.

    Done with politics for the night? Have a nice glass of wine with Two Days per Bottle.

    by dhonig on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:23:04 PM PDT

  •  Obama mania (0+ / 0-)

    I don't care for Obama and I also believe that his followers have become zealots.  This guy doesn't walk on water, he just spouts a lot of empty words.  His job performance is very below par.  He scares me... I hope he keeps showing his true colors like he did at the news conference the other day.  Guess what, the honeymoon is over!!!!!!!!!

  •  To me his followers are cult-like in their (0+ / 0-)

    worship of Obama, and as he doesn't try to prevent that behaviour, only makes me believe he does enjoy the adulation, and with speeches full of fluff like this, its very hard to take him serious.

    Barack Obama's use of phrases like "to heal our nation and repair the world"

    Don't sell out John! Damn, too late, lost another to the dark side!

    by ichibon on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 02:47:53 PM PDT

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