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Why Markos and the rest can't afford any more attacks on Dennis Kucinich for at least four years

Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:48:11 PM PDT

I know that what I have to say in this diary will be unpopular with some, not only about Kucinich and the regard he is held in by Markos and some of the front-pagers, as well as some of the "back-pagers" (a take on backbenchers, a term used in the parliamentary system), but on the general effectiveness of a divided progressive blogosphere and how that dampens our ability to be effective and influence the Democratic Party as well as the overall political chess game.

Earlier today, I called the Speaker's office.  After asking both the Washington office and the district office (the staffer at the Washington office didn't really acknowledge that I had a question and transferred me to her voice mail so they could delete whatever I left without even listening to the full message) why she endorsed and raised money for corporatist Al Wynn while throwing progressive Dennis Kucinich under the bus, I got the standard runaround from the San Francisco staffer about campaigns and the congressional office being "separate".  But my question to her -- "why" -- didn't really require an answer; it was more rhetorical, and an effort to register a serious problem with the disgusting, topsy turvy double standard in House-Speaker-World.  But what isn't obvious, is what we need to do about it, at least to some on this blog, apparently.  If only for the next four years, if Nancy Pelosi (meaning really Steny Hoyer and the establishment) is backing Al Wynn for reelection in his primary, but wanting Dennis to be defeated in his, then that is reason enough for us, if not to support Dennis, to not say a single word about him that helps Steny, Nancy, and the rest of the tone-deaf leadership rid themselves of a major voice for accountability in the House.

Recent defeats, not only at the ballot box, but on the House and Senate floor should make us step back and try to see what's important... and put some of our more knee-jerk discomforts and judgements aside and stay united for our common goal... to defeat Republicans and win a progressive agenda for our country.

On Tuesday night, Dennis Kucinich won his primary and won renomination to his Cleveland area House seat.  I doubt anyone here actively supported or contributed more than $10 to Joe Cimperman, Kucinich's main, corporate-backed opponent.  However it is clear that Kucinich does not enjoy unanimous support, not only at Daily Kos, but many of the other progressive blogs.

On February 12th, Donna Edwards defeated corporatist incumbent Democrat Al Wynn, in a primary.  Just as her victory sent a message, not only to Wynn, but to the rest of the DINOs and Blue Dogs squatting in House seats they don't really deserve... (one which I personally believe is responsible for the House adjourning without giving Bush what he wanted on the FISA vote), Kucinich's victory on Tuesday of this week sent a similar one to House Democrats as well.  We need more of these victories, not fewer!  And we won't get more if we waste time going after Kucinich!  If we manage to win this FISA fight, it will be because both Donna Edwards' and Dennis Kucinich's primary victories send a resounding message to the leadership that if they continue to fail us on a whole host of issues, they could be next!

Sadly, though, that message has been turned on its head by some.  The new, twisted version of the message can be summed up by citing the very end of a message by Chris Bowers, in which he touted internal poll numbers that showed Dennis as being safe in his seat shortly before the primary:

While this wasn't the campaign to become involved with, given the corporate and Republican money Cimperman was raising against Kucinich, at some point it is probably a good idea for the blogosphere to become involved in a primary challenge against a member of the progressive caucus. So far, from what I can tell, the Edwards victory is having much more of an impact on the Congressional Black Caucus than it is on the wider  House caucus. It might be necessary to defeat a member from every caucus, such as Ed Fallon defeating Blue Dog Leonard Boswell, in order for these primary challenges to create the desired behavioral change among congressional Democrats. And every caucus means Blue Dogs, New Dems, Progressives, the CBC, and the Hispanic caucus.

The part about going after those in the Progressive Caucus seems like overly convenient logic to justify what seemed like an incredibly misguided effort in the first place.  I'm not saying that anyone here at Daily Kos is going by that philosophy (many claim that they don't like Kucinich for other reasons, which have been gone over ad nauseum), but the outcome of cheering his primary opponents serves the same purpose.  It weakens the Progressive Caucus, it takes time, money, and energy away from those Kucinich supporters who could use that energy to get Dennis reelecting to instead press those House and Senate Democrats that are on the fence to not cave on FISA or any number of other harmful Bush agenda items.

If you're objective about it, sorry, but it doesn't look like we're winning.  And we won't be able to win, completely or otherwise, if we keep turning on our friends.  Dennis Kucinich is our friend.

With a little luck, Americans will see what damage these past years with a Gingrich-DeLay Congress and Bush White House have done to the economy, among so many other things, and with some hard work on top of that, we will take the White House this November, as well as expand our majorities in both houses of Congress.  After that, we will have our work cut out for us to actually deliver on the Democratic Party's promises (which might as well be our promises, at this point).  In order to deliver, progressives must be united, or it is clear we won't be successful.  The progressive blogosphere must not be eating its own, or it is clear we won't be able to defeat the.  Sometimes even when we go after an enemy 100% united, it's not enough to succeed, so how many more close-but-no-cigar moments do we need before we realize we can't do this if we're even divided amongst ourselves?

Dennis Kucinich is one of many progressives whose primary victory we should be universally hailing on the progressive blogosphere, just as we celebrate when the Donna Edwards and Ned Lamonts of the blogosphere win theirs.  We should not be wishing for his defeat.

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  •  Any evidence (1+ / 0-)

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    that Pelosi threw Kucinich under the bus?  

    By the way, what were the vote totals?

    Ever get the feeling you've been cheated?

    by johnny rotten on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:49:48 PM PDT

  •  I think Kucinich is great (4+ / 0-)

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    I just wish we wouldn't make a parody of himself by running for president. Every four years. Without fail.

    But I honestly do think he's great.

    The vote is "Basic Democracy #1". YOU must preserve it. -edscan

    by BoiseBlue on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 05:55:07 PM PDT

    •  Well I am not so sure it's a bad thing. (2+ / 0-)

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      But in a sense maybe it's throwing yourself under a bus.

      If it weren't for him (and I think Kucinich consciously does this) the actual true liberal take on ongoing events wouldn't be (and hasn't been) articulated as forcefully.

      I don't think Kucinich himself honestly minds being ridiculed by certain people.  Or even much cares.

      To me there is a dualistic quality about it.  There's a bad aspect to it in Kucinich allowing the ideology he articulates to be ALSO ridiculed by those inclined to do so.  Which is the bad aspect (but you do have to go through that "First they laugh at you" stage)

      I certainly don't want Kucinich to go away though.  Maybe running for President is a bit premature, it's just that probably there is a method to the madness.

      The opposite of war is not peace, it's creation - Jonathan Larson (-6.62, -6.26)

      by AndyS In Colorado on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 06:06:39 PM PDT

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      •  So blaming Dennis for being short and believing (1+ / 0-)

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        in UFOs because you feel it somehow harms Progressivism?  Let's face it, Progressives have more important issues to worry about than how weird candidates are, as long as they get the votes and they get the job done.

        Dennis fights and gets the job done.

        "The nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by his own side, but he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about them." Orwell

        by NotablyZen on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 06:17:38 PM PDT

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        •  Not at all. I'm saying that the "weird" (2+ / 0-)

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          appellation should be expected because one knows the stakes getting in.

          People on Daily Kos talk about political concepts in isolation but then when someone actually puts those concepts in action it's a bad thing.

          Kucinich has never expected to be President any of the times he has run ... which makes him, to those people ridiculing him, "useless".  He has instead performed the classic Overton Window function.  

          How interesting that we talk in isolatino on Daily Kos about things like the Overton Window but then get mad when someone actually does it ;)

          The opposite of war is not peace, it's creation - Jonathan Larson (-6.62, -6.26)

          by AndyS In Colorado on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 06:21:05 PM PDT

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    •  He's run twice...and lost twice... (2+ / 0-)

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      just like John Edwards and Joe Biden.

      Don't blame me, I support Dennis! http://kucinich.us

      by rjones2818 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 06:30:43 PM PDT

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      •  Especially Edwards... (1+ / 0-)

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        ... there's a lot here who wouldn't dream of saying anything critical about Edwards.  If you count the "loss" in 2004 as Kerry's VP (since some people actually believe Bush won, as the MSM would have you believe), those people can rack up three losses for Edwards, even more than for Kucinich.  Where is the criticism of Edwards about running for president instead of focusing on so and so?

  •  Hey Dennis (3+ / 0-)

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    How about you investigate something finally. You've been the Subcommitte Chair for Domestic Policy of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform under Waxman, but you haven't investigated anything as you've been running for President so much.

    •  What's the point of investigating anything? (4+ / 0-)

      "Impeachment is off the table", dontcha know?

      Furthermore, what are Waxman and the others investigating, and what is the media obsessing over, lately?  Steroids in baseball.  I think Major League Baseball can police itself, but apparently the Congress thinks that's more important that investigating whatever is you think Dennis should be investigating.  I wonder if you've bothered to criticize the others on the various committees for wasting time investigating this baseball shit as you have against Kucinich.  That is, if you're (hopefully) not someone with an axe to grind against him.

      Oh, and by the way, do you feel that the Bush commutation of Scooter Libby was worthy of any kind the same kind of accountability and consequences?  I don't think that required much of an "investigation"... the facts were totally out in the open.  What happened in that matter?  Nada!  So, it again, raises the question -- what's the point of investigating anything if TPTB won't do anything about it and the Democratically-controlled Congress has no power over the Courts to enforce the Constitution, and the media will just portray it as more partisan bickering?

      Meanwhile, once investigating waste, fraud, abuse, high crimes and misdemeanor means something to this fickle Britney obsessed public, and this steroids craze finally passes, Kucinich will have worked hard to make it possible to impeach, or at least censure members of the Bush administration.  Not that he got much help from most of the members of the Democratic caucus on that end...

  •  I suspect Kos will support a primary against (0+ / 0-)

    Dennis in 2010 should Dennis win re-election.  That being said, the really cool thing about Dennis' renomination is that he's the Democratic Candidate in OH-10.  Any more ughs can be HR'd (unless Dennis does something that would be anti-Democratic Party/Progressive, which I don't think will happen).

    Unless, of course, the rules are changed so that they can!

    Don't blame me, I support Dennis! http://kucinich.us

    by rjones2818 on Thu Mar 06, 2008 at 06:29:55 PM PDT

    •  If he does that... (3+ / 0-)

      ... it'll mean he ignored my diary.

      But I think it will depend on who's inaugurated as president in January 2009.  If we keep fighting amongst ourselves, there is doubt on who that might be, but I'd like to be a little bit more optimistic after the results of Tuesday's election.

      In either case, if it's a Joe Cimperman type (or he himself) that runs against Kucinich that gets the support of Kos and others, I'm sure that decision will bite many people in the ass.  Sort of like voting for Joe Lieberman did in Connecticut.

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