Happy trails until we meet again! Go Dems! (w/ GBCW)

Since it has become quite the fashion among Clinton supporters to depart these shores with long, heartfelt, moving descriptions of their decision to stop posting on DailyKos, I think another one would be redundant.  But I have been here five years and hate to leave without saying goodbye.  I'll try to keep it short.

I've been a member here since late 2003, after I left daily journalism.  I came as a Clarkie, stayed through Kerry/Edwards and the glorious battles of 2006, supported Edwards from the day he announced in New Orleans (my pet cause) until the day he dropped out.

Then I switched to my second choice, Clinton.  And that's when the hate started flowing my way.

Just in the past week I was told to "get cancer" and that I was a "worthless piece of fucking shit," a "sad little man" and a "slimy little worm" (I kind of liked that one), and I have been invited to leave many times if I didn't like the way things have become.  I resisted this urging, but then I couldn't remember why I was resisting.  I'm sure I brought some of this on myself -- being one of the last remaining Clinton supporters here is tilting at windmills, I admit.

I also understand that a lot of people dislike Hillary Clinton and were using me as a surrogate.

Much as I hate to go, I just don't need this kind of hatred in my life - especially from people who are supposed to be on the same side.  A lot of people are now disturbed by what this site has become -- but the owner seems to like it just fine, and even to encourage the rancor.

I've generally had a great time here.  I always tried to stay positive (if snarky) and not engage in personal attacks.  Where I failed in this effort, I apologize.  Thanks, Markos, for the free bandwidth.  I've learned a lot, and made some good (if anonymous) friends.  I might be back sometime, who knows?  I wish you all well.  I apologize for any feelings I may have hurt along the way.

All week, when trying to talk myself into hanging in here, I kept remembering the day that Barack Obama himself came to Dkos and posted a diary.  He was flamed so badly he never came back.  

Go Dems!

•  Good luck and good wishes to all!

  Go Dems!

  by Kevvboy on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 07:57:36 AM PDT

  •  Hate to See You Go

    and hope you'll come back once the dust has settled. Even as a BO supporter, I'm finding the airs here too toxic for my taste. I don't know how to contribute when so much over the top hatred is thrown at Clinton so constantly. Teacherken's rec'd diary right now just breaks my heart and my spirit. I may be heading out the door behind you soon.

    by RNinNC on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:18:07 AM PDT

    •  It really has nothing to do. . .

      Even as a BO supporter,

      with who you support.  In fact, I would imagine that the Obama supporters ought to be more disgusted with what's been going.  It's not only toxic but extremely embarrassing and, I have to say, I imagine the rough patch that the Obama campaign seems to have hit is related to the attitude expressed by some of his more "ardent" supporters.

      by LarryInNYC on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:26:42 AM PDT

      •  It reminds me of Thanksgiving here

        A lot of good times, but there's a kid table and an adult table, and the little kid table is screaming so loud that the adults can hardly have a conversation.

        I would expect a little more outrage sometimes.

        by BoiseBlue on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:32:40 AM PDT

        •  No.

          It's more like a gymnasium full of screaming kids and one adult table. And I'm not convinced all the screaming kids are really Obama supporters. They're all up to date with the daily talking points.

          by homogenius on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:41:01 AM PDT

          •  There have been more than a few people here

            That I suspect truly think this is strictly an anti-Hillary site.  They say the dumbest fucking things I have to wonder if they realize this is a site for Democrats.

            But I do think your description is better than mine.

            by BoiseBlue on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:47:55 AM PDT

            •  this is no longer

              a site for democrats. it's a site for obama. even more, it's a site against clinton. and it's also a site that can no longer claim to be reality-based.

              by Turkana on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:03:03 AM PDT

              •  I wish I could rec that 1000 times. nt

                by Joelarama on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:03:45 AM PDT

              •  Not since the "Darker Obama" crap.

                Kos jumped the shark with that one.

                by homogenius on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:25:47 AM PDT

                •  credibility gone

                  i can handle partisanship. i can't dishonest smear jobs.

                  by Turkana on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:30:04 AM PDT

      •  The Hatred on the Site for Clinton

        didn't just spring up, it's evolved. I've taken days away only to return and find the vitriol noticeably higher. You're right that it SHOULDN'T matter, but lately it's like you have to wear your allegiances on your sleeves or you are just pigeon-holed:

        Obama Supporter: I HATE CLINTON
        Clinton Supporter: I DEFEND CLINTON

        You have to go out of your way to step out of that two dimensional assignment. I don't fit into the storyline around here lately, and I'm getting sick of my fellow BO supporters adhering so carefully to this stereotype.

        by RNinNC on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:37:03 AM PDT

        •  Obama's a great candidate.

          But these brats seem incapable of rising to his level.

          by homogenius on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:41:51 AM PDT

          •  Let's only hope. . .

            they don't bring his campaign down to their level.

            by LarryInNYC on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:46:27 AM PDT

          •  EXACTLY!

            They are allowing their level of outrage to grow so shrill and out of proportion that it's almost embarrassing. And if you leave this place and come back a couple of days later, you can SEE how the echo-chamber just keeps ramping it up.

            I keep wanting to offer my perspective as a NON-Hillary hating Obama supporter, but it feels almost pointless against this kind of headwind...

            by RNinNC on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:54:09 AM PDT

            •  I try to remember...

              Most of the real Obama supporters are out there working their asses off. I'm not even sure some of these are really his supporters. I asked one of them what there was to do in New Delhi when you get off shift at the Obama BlogSpam Center at sunrise.

              by homogenius on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:23:51 AM PDT

              •  LOL! n/t

                by RNinNC on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 03:59:29 PM PDT

  •  Sorry to hear this

    I'm trying to hang in here, although I post less than I used to, and usually only when some piece of insanity - teacherken's diary is a prime example - just sends me right over the edge.  I've never been a Clinton supporter, but I was strong for Edwards, and I still regret his absence, and I just can't get comfortable with Obama, probably mainly because of the outrageous behavior of his supporters around here.  This place right now is infested with venom, so I can't blame you for leaving - but you'll be missed.

    by geordie on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:38:09 AM PDT

  •  You'll be missed. Another good one

    goes.

    by Joelarama on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:03:06 AM PDT

  •  By Kevv....

    ...  I think we have conversed from time to time and I would like to believe they were sane, well thought out conversations.

    I understand the reactions to this site.  I understand the desire to find a site that is more in line with one's views.  

    I would urge Clinton supporters to stay here however.  It is nice to find contrasting viewpoints.  

    This is a tough place right now.  The barbs and inflammatory language exist on all sides.

    Hopefully, things will calm down soon.

    by Jen K in FLA on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:12:52 AM PDT

•  Don't go!

  We need a range of voices here.

  by wtxdem on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:02:41 AM PDT

•  Good luck Kev

  I'll see you at EENR. I just dropped this rancid site myself. Now it's time to take a long shower.

  by Psychotronicman on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:02:56 AM PDT

  •  Thanks Kevvboy and Psychotronicman

    I've never diaried here, but have lurked and occasionally posted comments here since about 2003 too.  It was the first blog I checked many times a day.  It's gotten way to toxic for me too.  I started out supporting other candidates, but as I watched every debate, I could not ignore how clear it was that Hillary was the best candidate.  I have been looking for other blogs, so thanks for the mention of EENR.  MyDD has a much more positive outlook and seems much more open to opposing views.  See you on the non-toxic sites.

    And I too want to say "Thanks" to DKos.  I've learned alot and enjoyed my time here.  

    I will keep checking back occasionally to see if the toxicity has diminished.  I just look at the diaries list - when less than 25% are anti-Hillary venom, I'll try again.

    by badu on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:38:25 AM PDT

  •  But I need you guys.

    The more reckless I get, the more I need you guys to bail me out. I really don't want to get banned, but these assholes have worked my last gay nerve.

    I miss my friends. < sniff >

    by homogenius on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:44:48 AM PDT

    •  well...

      you can find them at other places...

      by Turkana on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:05:22 AM PDT

      •  Yeah.

        I just signed up at EENR. Nice place--clean, no cockroaches. I may check it out. And some others. I just hate getting chased out by an endless horde of Chucky dolls.

        by homogenius on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:21:33 AM PDT

        •  it is what it is

          and the handful of truly great fpers are even getting drowned out by the shrill.

          by Turkana on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:28:57 AM PDT

          •  I'm reluctantly realizing...

            Once the FP is overrun, it's over. There's nothing to do but wait it out. I was hanging in, even after the rec'd diaries were 70% Obamaluv/Hillaryhate. But losing the FP is too much.

            There's no place to have the conversations we should be having. I'm up for a serious analysis of how Hillary and her campaign are screwing up. I'm actually growing increasingly disenchanted with it. But we also need to be able to discuss Obama's flaws--he is not, despite what the DailyObama echo chamber says, the Kwizatz Hadderach. They're both politicians.

            Ah well. The lunatics are running the asylum.

            by homogenius on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:37:32 AM PDT

•  Yes, funny to remember how B.O. himself

  was chased off by the usual small minority of destructive fucks that crawls out of the woodwork at all the wrong moments.

  I'm keeping my hand in here at Daily Kos, because I'm pretty sure all these newbie screechers will melt away as soon as the actual work of governing the country begins; they're only here for the attention they get by behaving like five-year-olds whose nappies need changing.

  See you at EENR in the meantime, Kevv!

  by Loquatrix on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:07:33 AM PDT

•  No Comment n/t

  by Fishgrease on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:08:10 AM PDT

•  ~

  by manwithnoname on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:08:58 AM PDT

  •  What's with this waste of time

    blank posts that you and others keep doing?

    It strikes me as such a mindless waste of bandwidth for the site to host the online equivalent of you pissing on a lamppost to prove you were here.

    by Loquatrix on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:14:29 AM PDT

    •  I'm here to rec., but

      I would rec. you if I could.  Blank posts, name calling, gang banging, rampant allegations of "racism", I can't decide if they are all kids or immature adults.  I don't think we have deliberate trolls invading the site.  I just think they are badly behaved children who would be much better off seen and not heard.

      I don't intend to GBCW, I have way too many fond memories of this place; but this is NOT the dailykos that I fell in love with.  Except for a few of the front pagers, there is no credibility left here.

      by dkmich on Fri Mar 14, 2008 at 04:18:39 AM PDT

•  NOT ANOTHER ONE! There were only about...

  ...twenty-five or so of us, or so it seemed, and now we're losing you, Kevvboy.  What a shame.  Good point about Kos, who -- along with his admins -- seem to have gone into the tank for Obama to the detriment of the site.  

  by Larry Bailey on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:11:15 AM PDT

  •  Welcome to DailyObama.

    by homogenius on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:45:39 AM PDT

  •  But

    I always find you in the more enlightening conversations!  

    Hope I don't lose every level head around here.

    by BoiseBlue on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:49:29 AM PDT

•  See ya.

  I hope that if we ever get a nominee you will return to the countless dozens of us still here.

  I have enjoyed interacting with you on this site and hope for your return. Peace.

  by citizenx on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:14:07 AM PDT

•  remember to give ...

  Taylor Marsh her big girl panties back!

  by trippinsf on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:17:11 AM PDT

•  you are slightly in error

  Obama posted TWO diaries

  the first, on Sept. 30, 2005, was entitled Tone, Truth, and the Democratic Party

  He returned on October 20 of the same year, with Thanks for the feedback

  by teacherken on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:28:43 AM PDT

•  Yeah well...

  All week, when trying to talk myself into hanging in here, I kept remembering the day that Barack Obama himself came to Dkos and posted a diary.  He was flamed so badly he never came back.  

  The irony of you making this statement is that, looking back on his two diaries, the worst culprits who are still here are currently Clinton supporters, including one who repeatedly posts diaries about what a "phony" Obama is.

  Good catch!

  by Boris Godunov on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:40:34 AM PDT

•  Know what you mean at times

  There's a new blog that many Kossacks are visiting, called EENR Blog.  (it's named after the EENR series, but renamed Edwards Evolution, Next Revolution) It's a home for former Edwards supporters, but also any supporter who wishes to discuss progressive issues in a friendly venue.  There's no touting of presidential candidates at this point as the place is focused more on issues that progressives want to talk about to make our country better.   Hope you will drop by and take a look.

  (sorry for blog pimp, but seems pertinent to this topic)

  by benny05 on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:43:08 AM PDT

•  The best parts of a GBCW

  are the catalogued insults quoted by the diarist as evidence of horrible treatment by the hate-filled mob.

  However, one never sees the context of those insults. We don't see the comments that may have instigated them, we don't see how others responded, we don't get the feel of a debate running off the rails (which many, sadly, do). We just get these mean, mean comments by those mean, nasty people.

  Yes, you probably brought a lot of it on yourself. That's how it works most of the time.

  by BobzCat on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:50:03 AM PDT

  •  Can I envision

    ... a comment in which I use the retort "get cancer" and self-righteously feel that the other person "brought it on themselves?"  

    No, I can't.

    by Califlander on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:00:15 AM PDT

    •  Link?

      This sort of comment is usually dispatched immediately. Anyone saying something like that is almost invariably ostracized. If you can show me that a member in good standing here retorted with that line and was supported for it, then I'll stand corrected.

      Otherwise, it's a little like Bill O'Reilly pulling anti-Semitic comments out of the Hidden list (or finding a few that slipped past the TUs) and declaring them incontrovertible proof that Daily Kos is a hate site on a par with Nazis.

      by BobzCat on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:19:41 AM PDT

      •  You ask *me* for the link?

        I'm not the diarist.

        Your post -- the one to which I responded -- asked for "the context of those insults."  In my opinion, it doesn't matter what the context was; telling someone to "get cancer" is unacceptable.  Period.  Next question.  

        You, on the other hand, apparently believe that it could be okay, if the other person "brought it on themselves."

        We simply differ on that point.

        by Califlander on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:37:24 AM PDT

        •  Since you are asking for the link

          I will stand up and say that I am the one that made that offensive comment. I am ashamed of it and would take it back if I could. It was a bad thing to say but it wasn't meant exactly as it read, I mean it was in response to a very, very sarcastic diary making fun of  Kos' diary about the blackening of Obama in a flyer.
          So while clearly an insult, it was meant, oh I don't know, as a pithy retort to my disgust with trivializing what I think is a serious issue. Other HRC supporters made substantive posts about the flyer that convinced me there are a number of technical reasons that the flyer could have been darkened, those comments persuaded me.

          But look, I have been called a "fucking troll" told to "piss off" and other inappropriate comments have been slung my way.

          I think I am like many people here. I post both factual arguments and suggestions and also short quips. I really will be more civil; it is the limitations of this technology that intonation and facial expression cannot accompany the message so one must be careful.

          Perhaps I am splitting hairs here and will appear self-serving: I commented twice to Kevvboy telling him that in no way would I really wish harm or disease on him but that I was purposely being insulting in response to a diary that was meant to inflame.

          In fairness to Kevvboy, I think his diaries have been attempts at humor in an Andy Borowitz kind of way. But in my case, after reading thousands of comments that associate support of Obama as being part of cult-like behavior, of drinking Kool-aid, and so on, I momentarily lost my good humor.

          I have never used obscenity on this site with one exception, in my response to being told to "piss off", a common response by a prominent HRC supporter here, BTW. That doesn't excuse my actions, but I am amazed at the number of comments that use FU, a-hole, and other curse words that don't raise hackles at all.

          Sorry to be so long winded. I will try to do better, but a good starting point would be for diarists to not seek to inflame and then be surprised when inflammatory statements yield inflammatory responses.

          I would also ask HRC supporters to reflect on this kind of response as a reaction to her campaign's own tactics. Not as offensive as my comment, but that campaign has indulged in sniping, name calling, and non-substantive negativity.

          I am sorry that I crossed the line and I apologize for it.

          by crankyinNYC on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 10:37:04 AM PDT

          •  Good for you

            I wish you hadn't said it, but I'm glad you recognize it was over the line.

            Now, if only BobzCat could drag himself to the same realization ...

            by Califlander on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 10:42:05 AM PDT

            •  There's the context that was missing

              Glad to see that you're finally able to drag yourself to understand that these exchanges don't take place in a vacuum, and that context matters, even if it doesn't necessarily excuse.

              by BobzCat on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 11:04:09 AM PDT

              •  And yet still you haven't

                ... admitted that the comment crossed the line, have you?

                Lo, and behold, though, you've modified your position "context matters, even if it doesn't necessarily excuse" to come closer to mine:  "it doesn't matter what the context was; telling someone to 'get cancer' is unacceptable."

                So that's progress, of sorts.

                by Califlander on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 11:41:57 AM PDT

        •  Please

          I suggested that it's disingenuous to pull comments out of context and that in the heat of argument insults are more often invited than not.

          You've made quite the logical leap to  my "apparently" believing that every insult is okay. How did you get there? Because that's where you wanted to go.

          I swear, everyone at this site could use a remedial course in ethical rhetoric.

          by BobzCat on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 11:16:28 AM PDT

          •  Ethics? Not taught by you, friend

            I never said you believe "every insult is okay" but rather that you apparently believe that the specific comment "get cancer" could be okay, if the other person "brought it on themselves" ... a belief I do not share.

            I'm sure you'd rather argue the point I didn't make, rather than the one I did, but that's hardly "ethical rhetoric," now is it?

            But here's your chance to redeem yourself: do you believe the comment was justified?

            by Califlander on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 11:48:11 AM PDT

            •  You're arguing with yourself

              or with the pile of straw you've attached yourself to, not with anything I said.

              I'm not playing that game. Ta.

              by BobzCat on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 01:36:30 PM PDT

•  Kevv - see ya at eenr

  you are a thoughtful poster - there are some sane sites and you deserve the right to post as you think and not be attacked. Just came back to see another "dramatic" diary linked at another site as further proof of the insanity here and noticed you had diary up. Have a re'c and a tip - ;0}

  by Boorad on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:50:51 AM PDT

  •  I just signed up to EENR myself

    It's a little slow with conversation, but I'd rather stick to talking about actual progressive principles instead of getting caught it a poo-flinging fight.

    Plus, I am an Edwards Democrat.

    by BoiseBlue on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:53:15 AM PDT

    •  Add your own diary

      About a progressive idea, or join in on the open threads!

      by benny05 on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 08:58:41 AM PDT

      •  Will do!

        P.S. I'm Annie at EENR.

        by BoiseBlue on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:06:22 AM PDT

        •  I just

          signed up too.  I am still Mango.

          by mango on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:07:29 AM PDT

•  you know where to find a lot of people

  who have left here- including docudharma, eenr blog, the left coaster, and talkleft.

  by Turkana on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:04:25 AM PDT

•  I wish you weren't leaving.

  I think all voices should express themselves.
  It may surprise you that I would feel that way since I am one of the people who made an insulting comment that you refer to in this diary.

  However, like the candidate you support, you claim the right to offend and then, like Capt. Renault in Casablanca, you are "shocked, shocked" that you get like in return. Specifically, to me, it was like the Samantha Power contretemps in a microcosm, the difference being I didn't apologize to you as you asked.

  Like many here, I post polite, factual comments and short, snarky one. True, my two word comment to you was beyond snark. But the point being, many of the Obama supporters here post well reasoned, legitimate comments and questions. And sometimes when those are ignored or deprecated for the Nth time, we go into attack mode.

  You are probably right that you serve as a surrogate for feelings more appropriately directed at HRC. But perhaps the rancor wouldn't be so strong if she were  not so unethical and ruthless in her smearing tactics.

  I hope when the primary season is over you might return Kevvboy. In any case, best wishes and good luck.

  by crankyinNYC on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:04:37 AM PDT

•  Why let a small set of idiots drive you behavior

  For the most part the Obama supporters that I have seen post have been civil and made rational cases.  

  by kobernik on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:05:39 AM PDT

•  well

  maybe if Hillary had quit when it was apparent she could not win democratically, there would not be so much hate.

  by educatorforchange on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:11:22 AM PDT

•  Stay classy, San Diego!

  The people who said that slimy crap to you are asshats for it, and don't speak for me.  I haven't liked everything you've posted, but you didn't deserve abuse like that.

  Pax,

  ProgWit

  by Progressive Witness on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:16:33 AM PDT

•  Kevvboy...You will be missed ...

  I've been lurking and checking out some of the sites Turkana suggests...I hope to run into you out there somewhere.  Thanks for trying....Godspeed.

  by AnnieM on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:16:48 AM PDT

•  It's not the anti-Hillary crowd you don't like

  I was here when Edwards was the most popular candidate and the anti-Obama griping never really bothered me.

  I liked Edwards and I understood how people could be so passionate about him.

  Same for Hillary by the way. All the back and forth, even when the comments are less than reasonable, aren't really that big a deal because I understand the other side. I understand why people would support Hillary.

  I would suggest it's not the anti-Hillary crowd that bothers you so much, but that you don't understand how anyone could Support Obama.

  And therefore, you think that EVERYONE here must be one of the following: dumb, unreasonable, blind, delusional, and ignorant.

  I've exchanged comments with you, and that's how you've treated me.  

  So, bye, sucker.

  by CheckRaise on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:30:25 AM PDT

•  Nuh Uh!

  You know, I don't mind it when the whiney adhominem assholes leave, but you?  You're my favorite Clintonite!

  Sadly, it really is just a handful of nasty, thin-skinned people on both sides that have poisoned the well.  I've tried to stay above the fray.  I've failed a few times.

  I gotta admit, Kevvboy, I really, really don't like Senator Clinton as a candidate.  If she wins, you better come back, 'cuz I'll be looking for you to talk me down off of the ledge.

  Best to you.

  by CJB on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 09:33:40 AM PDT

•  Interesting Obama hasn't come back...

  ...perhaps sees Kos site as a detriment to his campaign ??? You can't let the B**** hang out there w/o condemnation.  

  As someone who has investigated sexual harassment cases...I've had to say good-bye to several employees for this hate speech....see my diary a couple days ago on this.

  I'm pro Obama..but will walk through a wall to make sure Hillary beats McCain in November.

  I'm a 43 old Democrat...I lived through the Reagan/Bush disaster...set back the Progressive cause so far we haven't come close to reversing yet.

  Sorry to see you go...we'll be needing you soon...if not sooner.

  by Patrick B on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 10:11:03 AM PDT

•  Kevvboy.

  On top of the comments I already posted to you, I want to apologize for my "get cancer" comment. I have a longer explanation upthread as a comment.

  I believe the diary you posted, eliciting my comment, was meant to provoke, if not inflame. But I want this kind of thing here, not just policy wonkery.

  My mistake was that there is no facial or tonal cues in text messages. Yes, it was a lousy thing to say but not meant as it read.

  So why not stick around? I promise to comment your next work with a much more collegial form of sarcasm, in the vein of your Obama sings with children and puppies post.

  Deal?

  by crankyinNYC on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 10:42:32 AM PDT

  •  I know it is considered

    really bad form to come back to your GBCW, but I wanted to tell crankynyc that I accept your apology.  Don't worry about it.  See ya at the movies.

    And thanks to all those who stopped in to say goodbye.

    by Kevvboy on Sat Mar 08, 2008 at 12:05:29 PM PDT