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What Passes for Justice in America Today?

Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 09:57:47 AM PDT

I wrote a diary yesterday that spent much of the evening at the top of the rec list.  The diary detailed how officials at the highest level of our government planned, approved and even choreographed the torture of detainees.  It’s truly an appalling tale, made even more so by the fact that these individuals will likely escape any punishment for their actions, and will probably go on to lucrative careers as lecturers, consultants and lobbyists.

This is a diary I have meant to write for some time, but since there's an big article about me in the Philadelphia Inquirer today, today seems like the day.  Please follow me across the fold as I thoroughly "out" myself on this site, and expose myself for the convicted felon I have recently become.

Today I find myself at the opposite end of the spectrum of what passes for justice in America.  There is an article in today’s Philadelphia Inquirer that chronicles my plight.  In some respects it is good news; the main thrust of the article is that our government had shown unprecedented magnanimity by declining to confiscate my home.  Unfortunately, "justice" requires that I lose my job heading into the teeth of a recession, that I join the legions of America’s uninsured, and that I abandon my pursuit of an advanced degree.

Have the people we have chosen to lead this country lost touch with reality?  Excuse me, that’s a rhetorical question.  When the administration of justice requires that productive, contributing citizens be forced to join the ranks of America’s unemployed, uninsured, uneducated and homeless, something is clearly amiss.

Here’s the lede on today’s article:

Why the burglar alarm went off, Steve Haver still doesn't know.
Because it did, while Haver and his wife, Karen, were away in the Poconos on the morning of July 8, 2006, Reading police searched the couple's semidetached three-story home and found five pot plants growing under lights.
Because of that discovery, the Havers were soon caught in a swirl of legal decisions that overturned their lives, prompted questions about the enforcement of marijuana laws, and served as a lesson to homeowners with security services.

Here's the house that the government says I can keep:

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In Pennsylvania, possession of a small amount of marijuana for personal use is a misdemeanor – as long as you buy it from a drug dealer!  That’s right, our brilliant legislators in this commonwealth have codified a "support your local drug dealer" statute.  Because if you don’t support your local dealer and you attempt to grow even one plant yourself, possession become "manufacturing a controlled substance", and you become a felon.

Steve Haver spent a weekend in jail on $1 million bail, wound up with a felony conviction for drug manufacturing, lost his driver's license for six months, and expects to lose his job as general manager of the performing arts center at Penn State's York campus.
The case has been on the front page of the local paper more than most murders, he said.

There are some reasons that the case has received so much press.  We are (were?) both high-profile people in our community.  I was the general manager for the opening of a new 7200-seat hockey arena, and a renovated 1800-seat performing arts center.  These projects, which cost approximately $50 million, were the cornerstone of a concerted effort to halt the slide of Reading’s downtown.  Paid for with a combination of federal, state, and local funds, the facilities have enjoyed exceptional success, operating at a profit nearly every year since they opened.  As anticipated, they have spurred a significant interest in development downtown, an area that was nearly given up for dead 10 years ago.  Several major corporations have relocated or expanded their operations downtown.  New residential projects are beginning to spring up, including a planned $1 billion riverfront development expected to break ground this summer.  An amazing new community arts center has flourished, and a IMAX multiplex is about to be completed.

I don’t mean to sound like I’m bragging that I was the savior of Reading.  I came in at the right time to take advantage of years of hard work by a large number of people.  As general manager, I was in a high-profile position that naturally attracted much of the credit for the results.  I was also on the board for the Convention and Visitor’s Bureau, was a founding member of the sports commission, and we brought a number of high-profile events to town, such as Skate America and a world title boxing match with HBO and Don King.  I serve on the board for Centre Park Historic District, the oldest historic district and neighborhood association in the city.  I served as chairperson of the Christmas House Tour, our largest fundraiser, for three years.  I also chair the building committee, supervising and assisting in renovation for the headquarters building that we acquired in 2005.  In addition to office space, it provides a community meeting room and space for our Artifacts Bank, an architectural salvage operation that supports the organization.  I also volunteer for Berks Arts Council, managing production for their nationally-recognized Jazz Festival, and volunteer for Opportunity House, a homeless shelter and transitional housing and services provider.

My point with all this is: I do not fit the profile of your typical drug addict.  Yet the law knows no distinctions.  Through this experience, though, I have found out exactly how such people are treated.  I think everyone will agree that fundamental American values include having a job, maintaining access to health care, owning one’s home, and improving one’s station in life by pursuing an education.  However, it seems our justice system has taken it upon itself to pervert these values as a means of controlling citizen’s behavior.

When justice perverts such fundamental values, is it any wonder that crime runs rampant in our country?  When you take away everything that matters to people and sever their connection with society, when you leave people with no options, nothing to lose, and little hope for the future, is it any wonder that many give up and become enmeshed in an endless cycle of crime?  After my nightmare with the criminal justice system, I can certainly understand how someone’s frustration with the system would lead them to pick up a gun.  I only spent two days in jail, yet I can understand why someone would prefer to die on the street in a hail of gunfire than be sent back into that hell hole.

All of this destruction merely because someone succumbed to the allure of using an illegal substance?  The real irony here is that the case concluded on the 75th anniversary of America’s war on beer.  Beer was once so reviled that its prohibition was enshrined in our constitution.  Proof that things can change!

I could go on about the evils of a failed strategy of prohibition, but will save that for another post.  I realize that reforming our drug laws and reducing our world-leading prison population is a "third rail" of electoral politics.  So I know this is a non-starter in a critical election year.  But this is a critical domestic issue that needs to be addressed.  Even overlooking the fundamental unfairness and destructiveness of it all, law enforcement and prisons are sucking up an ever-increasing amount of money, money that could be better used for treatment, education, training, and health care; things that could really go a long way to solving the underlying problems.

One thing is abundantly clear:  We won’t solve the drug problem OR the crime problem until we separate the two.  I think that’s something we can all agree on.

I’ll leave you with a picture of the evil felon, waist deep in his tomato manufacturing operation!

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I'm sorry I can't stick around for comments.  I have a doctor's appointment.  I need to get my health taken care of while I still have insurance!

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  •  Alms for justice? (43+ / 0-)

    It's time to change the program, people!

    Some things really matter.  We have to be willing to consider new strategies to solve old problems.

    Contribute, campaign, VOTE for change!

    It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds - Samuel Adams

    by Red no more on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 09:59:20 AM PDT

    •  What I have read (9+ / 0-)

      and I admit I haven't researched it, but...

      When Prohibition was repealed, the feds didn't want a bunch of their guys to get fired, so they made weed illegal, just to keep the T-Men employed.

      Since then, we've had a bunch of idiot GOP in power.  "War on drugs"?  It's going about as well as the "War on terrorism"!  Or the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

      How about a war on corrupt politicians?  Anybody with me on that one?

      Our economy is a house of cards. Don't breathe.

      by Youffraita on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 09:24:51 PM PDT

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      •  That pretty well covers it- (9+ / 0-)

        The usual right-wing conspiracy.  Protect corporate profits, suppress and control the minorities.  Lock up anyone who "doesn't conform".

        Now it's a huge global business - right up there with your every-day plain-vanilla war.  Only the victims are Americans, most only trying to get by.  Sad, really...

        It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds - Samuel Adams

        by Red no more on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 09:28:38 PM PDT

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      •  6 year gap (2+ / 0-)

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        between end of booze prohibition, and beginning of cannabis prohibition.

        Running against Herb "WIRETAP" Kohl in 2012. $1/year. Cash preferred.
        Masel4Senate 1214 E. Mifflin, Madison, WI 53703

        by ben masel on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:14:11 PM PDT

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        •  Obviously not enough- (5+ / 0-)

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          to kill the prohibition beast.

          Can anyone name one instance where prohibition succeeded?  They had a nightmare trying to ban tobacco in California prisons.  I'm sorry, if you can't ban something as "innocuous" as tobacco in a secure environment like a prison, does anyone really think you can be successful with drugs - in a "free" society?

          It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds - Samuel Adams

          by Red no more on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:17:54 PM PDT

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      •  Actually (4+ / 0-)

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        From what I have read , it was Randolph Hearst the newspaper magnate who was part of the prohibition push. He owned vast tracks of forest land for paper making. Hemp fiber makes a superior paper product and is a fast renewable resource.It also doesn't require all the chemicals that wood fiber does in order to become paper. The Hearst newspapers conducted a propaganda program against hemp and used their money and connections to influence the legislators of the day to pass the prohibition.
        Just my two cents.

        •  Big Pharma is also in there (4+ / 0-)

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          ...because pot is a natural analgesic.  Big oil is in there, too, because you can run vehicles on hemp oil.

          But the biggest problem today is that it seems to be a cash grab for the private prisons and law enforcement.

          "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution." -- Emma Goldman; -8.38, -8.36

          by seenaymah on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:07:38 AM PDT

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    •  Employment (3+ / 0-)

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      drop a resume on the national drug policy reform orgs?

      Running against Herb "WIRETAP" Kohl in 2012. $1/year. Cash preferred.
      Masel4Senate 1214 E. Mifflin, Madison, WI 53703

      by ben masel on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 11:37:24 PM PDT

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    •  move to California! (0+ / 0-)

      I know, it sounds inconvenient.  But you won't have to worry about that stuff anymore.

  •  Sorry to hear about your misfortune n/t (12+ / 0-)

    The devolution will be reality show televised, commercialized and trivialized.

    by niteskolar on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:05:13 AM PDT

  •  As always, there are no words for injustice (11+ / 0-)

    I wish I had the words to change the world.  

    "Think. It ain't illegal yet." - George Clinton

    by shortgirl on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:26:51 AM PDT

  •  how does it feel! (19+ / 0-)

    I have been subjected to the war on drugs, now I cant earn a living, Felons earn minimum wage.

    Then I read about a young man who rapes girls, and he gets off lighter than I do. This is justice? rape a woman get probation for 2 years and 7 days in jail.
    Sell a fucking pig some mushrooms and you get 10 years in prison.
    This is justice!
    I hope the government collapses!

    We the people in order to form a more perfect union, has been lost and only applies to "connected people".

    What an outrage. Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
    This is joke!
    oh by the way in IL you can grow up to 4 plants, its a misdemeanor.

    We defeated the Axis powers in less time

    by nuggatron on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 11:12:00 AM PDT

  •  You are a victim of gross injustice my friend... (20+ / 0-)

    but you are not alone.

    We won’t solve the drug problem OR the crime problem until we separate the two.  I think that’s something we can all agree on.

    Amen brother.

    "The truth shall set you free - but first it'll piss you off." Gloria Steinem

    Iraq Moratorium

    by One Pissed Off Liberal on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 11:17:23 AM PDT

  •  Unfortunately, decriminalization won't happen (13+ / 0-)

    because there's too much money to be made "fighting the drug war".  Everyone from the Drug Czar down to your local twitching, tweaking "informant" makes their living from illegal drugs.  How would the many various covert operation controllers (CIA, NSA, etc...) fund their extra-legal activities if the price of heroin, cocaine, etc. were to plummet following legalization/decriminalization?  Where would local law enforcement agencies get the money for high-tech weapons like armored vehicles and machine guns if there weren't massive federal funds to fight the war on drugs as well as the vast income generated from the sale of users' confiscated assets?

    If you don't understand the logic of a particular situation, follow the money.

  •  I can't believe this shit is still happening (9+ / 0-)

    well actually I can but it still infuriates me. I hope your friends lobby hard to keep your job. It would send a message about we don't care about the rules on felons. There's a lot of areas where a jury wouldn't convict on any of this shit.

    music- the universal language

    by daveygodigaditch on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 08:32:46 PM PDT

    •  There is some good news- (19+ / 0-)

      I'm on paid leave until my contract expires June 30, so I doubled up on classes and hope to have an MBA finished August 8.  Not sure what the job prospects are for an MBA with an engineering degree and a felony conviction.

      And we wonder why there's such a intractable crime problem?  What choice do people have once they are in the system?

      It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds - Samuel Adams

      by Red no more on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 08:49:31 PM PDT

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    •  I'm sorry they got you too! (14+ / 0-)

      I've had a couple run ins with for simple possession. One ended with Mrs. R being attacked by an out of control sheriff who wanted to see if he escalate the situation into something beyond simple possession. He failed, but trying to defend ourselves against false charges of disturbing the peace(the catagory of inciting a riot), resisting arrest cost us about $10K. We tried to sue the country for the abuse he inflicted on Mrs. R but failed on that. This was in a very, very small county in Calif and we discovered that the county prosecuter and the counties defense attorney were the same person. The whole event was a travesty of justice with the prosecuter making sure his prosecurial actions in the case dovetailed into his defense of the county from a civil suit. Can you spell conflict of interest?

      In any event, I'm sorry to hear you have become another victim of the War on Drugs™. It now happens to nearly 800k of us every year. I was marching in the stress in the early 70's when legalized marijuana almost be came a reality. I figured I'd certainly libve to see these laws overturned in my lifetime. Now, I'm reasonably certtain they won't be. I still hold a little hope that the upcoming financial crisis we will all be living through in the next months and years also takes a sufficient toll on the government. The only thing that will ever end them is when people realize just how expensive it is to chase people down and lock them up for crimes that have no victim!

      Attention Waxman Staffers! Clean up on aisle 1600! huttotex 3/27/07

      by reflectionsv37 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 08:51:45 PM PDT

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      •  800,000 a year- (9+ / 0-)

        Thanks, I guess I am a member of a "growing" group.  Heh.

        Remember beer was illegal, too, and we all know how that worked out.  I'm not the type to just shut up and go away about this; am way to stubborn for that.  I'll at least make some of my elected officials miserable before I let it go.

        It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds - Samuel Adams

        by Red no more on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 08:56:34 PM PDT

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      •  strangely enough, this type (4+ / 0-)

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        of conflict of interest is precisely what the Federal prosecutors accused pain med activist Siobhan Reynolds of! The Pain Relief Network is an organization for chronic pain patients that sometimes assists physicians who are prosecuted under accusations of over-prescribing pain medication. They have been actively involved in a major case in Wichita, Kansas where the attorneys for the doctor filed a civil suit to keep the clinic open for patients who were abandoned when a doctor was arrested. The prosecutors said it was a conflict of interest because the same attorneys who were defending the doctor filed the civil suit for the patients!

        The U.S. attorney's office asked for a hearing to determine if a conflict of interest exists because the defense represents both Pain Relief Network and Schneider and his wife, nurse Linda Schneider.  
        Mar 3, 2008, Roxana Hegeman, The Associated Press

        The war on drugs is out of control, but progressive activists should be careful not to limit their count of the victims to recreational pot smokers. The war, sponsored by Big Pharma, has burned deep into your rights to medical care. The Bush administration vows to keep up its relentless prosecution of physicians prescribing pain medicine.

        If McCain makes the next Supreme Court appointment, we will think the Bush days were the good old days!

        by phaktor on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:29:58 PM PDT

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        •  yep--it has a MAJOR impact (3+ / 0-)

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          on people suffering from chronic pain. After my husband's back injury, the most his US doc would prescribe was Tylenol 3. "Opiates are addictive," dont you know, and addition is worse than disability. He was almost completely immobile for months as he couldn't bear the pain from movement (this immobility probably turned his injury into permanent disability). Eventually our friends started bringing back Canadian aspirin (with opiates) from holiday and sharing their own leftover pain meds.
          When we moved to the UK, his new doctor immediately put him on the Fentanyl patch--stronger than morphine, still doesn't eliminate the pain even with additional meds, but provides enough relief to make some limited function possible. No morality lecture about addiction, just proper health care.
          Sorry you had to go through this, BTW.

          Oh, and for you Oregonians out there--this is what that third measure on the ballot is about so please vote NO and explain to your friends and neighbours why. It would allow seizure of homes and property even without a conviction. No, no, NO!

          Political Compass says: -8.88, -8.67
          "We never sold out cos no one would buy."--J Neo Marvin

          by expatyank on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 12:21:15 AM PDT

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  •  didja lose yr right-to-vote? evil felon. heh. n/t (2+ / 0-)

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    •  Still have that- (11+ / 0-)

      In PA you only lose your right to vote if you're sentenced to prison.

      Ironically, I did get a jury summons yesterday.  I wondered "what now?" with more mail from the courthouse.

      If I get on a jury, there's gonna be one lucky defendant.  The system is rigged, and I'm not helping it out...

      It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds - Samuel Adams

      by Red no more on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 08:52:15 PM PDT

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      •  I've never had to serve... (10+ / 0-)

        on a jury, but I'm with you!! I will never vote to convict anyone for any non violent drug offense. I don't care what drug and I don't care how much. There is more than one way to take our country back. The little people, sticking together, is one of them!

        Attention Waxman Staffers! Clean up on aisle 1600! huttotex 3/27/07

        by reflectionsv37 on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 08:55:28 PM PDT

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      •  I would ask your (2+ / 0-)

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        lawyer about the jury summons. An interesting piece of Bush history is the time when Alberto Gonzales went to court in Texas to get w out of a jury summons. It seems there was a major threat to State security because the guv was going to have answer questions in open court, like "have you ever been arrested?" Don't worry about serving. The prosecutors will challenge you out first thing, but it does waste your time, and and they get to publicly humiliate you by making you answer their pointed questions about your history in open court. You'll likely never sit on a jury again. Don't fall for it! Ask your lawyer!

        If McCain makes the next Supreme Court appointment, we will think the Bush days were the good old days!

        by phaktor on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:39:05 PM PDT

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        •  I'd be happy to sit on a jury- (3+ / 0-)

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          But I don't think the prosecutor would like me much!

          If nothing else, I can make my displeasure with our legal system known; maybe it will influence the jury pool.

          It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds - Samuel Adams

          by Red no more on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:43:17 PM PDT

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          •  In one case I was called for (1+ / 0-)

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            the prosecutors were setting up an overkill strategy (a version of foot-in-the-door technique) by having a little mini-lecture on the statute. They were concentrating on the act, when the statute only required intent for a crime to be committed. The obvious strategy was going to be to try to prove the act (which never occurred), and in the process get the jury to "settle" for intent (which was obviously the same crime). I unknowingly rained on the parade by pointing out the subtle distinction when polled for questions, and the prosecutor got all choked up! Needless to say, I was sent home.

            If McCain makes the next Supreme Court appointment, we will think the Bush days were the good old days!

            by phaktor on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 11:00:10 PM PDT

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  •  War on Drugs (14+ / 0-)

    This is a classic example of how the war on drugs is a war on the American people, their families and communities. It's purpose is to benefit the private prison industry. The more cannabis users that can be locked up, the bigger the private prison industry's profits.

    The issues of legalization/decriminalization are complex, but not unsolvable. However, there's no reason why all things cannabis shouldn't be legalized.

    That would knock the props out from under the sale of hard drugs.

    But Congress doesn't want cannabis grown, researched or tested by American universities or for any other use.

    Why? Hempsters are considered terrorists. They strike fear into the hearts of fossil fuel and pharmaceutical CEOs. They're not ready for competition.

    Fuels, foods, fibers, medicines, recreational uses and jobs can be made by legalizing cannabis.

    Because of the high volume of oxygen that cannabis plants produce while growing, the carbon dioxide-oxygen balance can be normalized. Cannabis planted in April is ready for harvest in August.

    The care of human life and happiness, and not their destruction, is the first and only legitimate object of good government. Thomas Jefferson

    by Androgyne on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 08:47:51 PM PDT

  •  I Hate that this Happened to You (11+ / 0-)

    It's pure bullshit.

    As long as we have Corrections Corporation of America with their slogan of Prison Privatization at its Best then bad stuff like this will happen to people.

    As long as the so-called "War on Drugs" is just a way to make money, then this shit won't stop.

    I hope you have a good lawyer. You didn't deserve this. No one does.

  •  always amazed the response of people (8+ / 0-)

    when I say that all drugs need to be legalized.  They usually go straight to ballistic.  It really is just that simple, you want to modify something or some behavior just tax it.  The profits go to education & rehab facilities, and every one can get on with living their lives. So many problems could be solved so simply.

    A perfection of means, and confusion of aims, seems to be our main problem.- Albert Einstein

    by bldr on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 09:02:57 PM PDT

  •  Sorry to hear about your plight. (4+ / 0-)

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    Hope it works out in the end for you and yours.

    A perfection of means, and confusion of aims, seems to be our main problem.- Albert Einstein

    by bldr on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 09:04:00 PM PDT

  •  That fucking SUCKS. (7+ / 0-)

    So who holds prosecutors accountable for their behavior?

    People watch decisions like this and then wonder why I don't want to give them and the cops more absolute powers "to protect public safety". Maybe it's because I don't just shut up and watch Law & Order: CSI Edition and cheer for the heroic representatives of the people....

    "...And I woulda got away with it, if it hadn't been for that meddling Kos!" ---attributed to Tom DeLay

    by AdmiralNaismith on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 09:08:07 PM PDT

    •  The DA that charged us- (8+ / 0-)

      Did get voted out of office, which is a good thing.  The new DA is a pretty decent guy.  Told me in public that he LOVES to drink.  I told him to keep it down or he wouldn't get the MADD vote.

      Seven of the eight (yeah, eight) charges went away, but he had to make something stick.

      The judge fined me $50.00.  I think it was his way of saying the whole thing sucks.

      It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds - Samuel Adams

      by Red no more on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 09:12:59 PM PDT

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      •  Different DAs. (2+ / 0-)

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        I seem to recall a guy in a small western NY county who got himself elected district attorney by going to all the bars and letting it be known that he intended to prosecute all the DUI charges very sloppily.

        "...And I woulda got away with it, if it hadn't been for that meddling Kos!" ---attributed to Tom DeLay

        by AdmiralNaismith on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 09:32:56 PM PDT

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        •  Remember when- (4+ / 0-)

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          Most everyone had a 12-pack between the seats whenever they took a road trip?  And letting your kids ride in the back of pick-ups?  Or stand between your knees and steer the car?  And somehow, civilization survived.

          Recipes for jail time now.  It's not that there are so many more criminals, there's just way more crimes...

          It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds - Samuel Adams

          by Red no more on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 09:45:29 PM PDT

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    •  My sister (0+ / 0-)

      who is about to finish law school to become a prosecutor, and is already working in a prosecutor's office, would have absolutely no sympathy for red no more. "It's illegal. You broke the law. Not my fault, yours."

      I don't necessarily completely agree with that, but prosecutors don't make the laws.

      Remember: if it's close, they'll steal it.

      by ChurchofBruce on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:16:02 PM PDT

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      •  But prosecutors have the discretion- (7+ / 0-)

        to apply reasonable charges and accept an appropriate resolution.  Unfortunately, many are more interested in getting re-elected or being appointed to judgeships so that they forget that they are a key element in providing "justice".

        Yes, it's illegal.  Some people would say that growing it is more responsible than buying it from a dealer.  You could also argue that using such damaging sanctions to control "behavior" (as opposed to crimes - which by definition have victims) has led to our out-of-control crime problem.

        It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds - Samuel Adams

        by Red no more on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:24:33 PM PDT

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  •  The take-away message (3+ / 0-)

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    Home security sytems or grow your own, but not both.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:01:19 PM PDT

    •  Should have seen that coming- (4+ / 0-)

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      But it was well-hidden, in the sealed-up former coal bunker in the very back corner of a 115-year-old basement.

      Who knew that a security system canceled the 4th amendment?  I guess it was canceled before that anyway...

      It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds - Samuel Adams

      by Red no more on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:10:28 PM PDT

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      •  I think it is interesting (4+ / 0-)

        (don't read that as meaning less tragic) that you don't know why the alarm went off. It sounds like the whole thing could have been set up, but I'm sure you have thought about that.

        If McCain makes the next Supreme Court appointment, we will think the Bush days were the good old days!

        by phaktor on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:49:38 PM PDT

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        •  There has been some conjecture on that subject- (3+ / 0-)

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          Among the legal community in town, too.  The reporter the wrote the story even wondered about that.

          Could it have been the result of internet monitoring?  Spying on the grow-store and reporting license plates?  Certainly no one in the area knew anything.  I guess I'll never find out.

          It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds - Samuel Adams

          by Red no more on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:53:49 PM PDT

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          •  Spying on the growstore (2+ / 0-)

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            lots of history of DEA running such operations, tho I haven't heard of it for 10 years or so.

            Running against Herb "WIRETAP" Kohl in 2012. $1/year. Cash preferred.
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            by ben masel on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 11:00:44 PM PDT

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          •  Never, never (3+ / 0-)

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            underestimate the state of electronic surveillance in our society. You will be called a paranoid nut case for being cautious, but every little electronic device in your home (phones, cell phones, computers connected to the net, etc.) -- including the security system -- is likely to be capable of transmitting audio without your knowledge. It is a fact of life in this age of technology, and our habits or reasoning and our behavior have not yet adjusted.

            If McCain makes the next Supreme Court appointment, we will think the Bush days were the good old days!

            by phaktor on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 11:05:40 PM PDT

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          •  I am thinking (1+ / 0-)

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            about this:

            Could it have been the result of internet monitoring?  Spying on the grow-store and reporting license plates?  Certainly no one in the area knew anything.  I guess I'll never find out.

            I say most likely the second guess. They also can see the grow lights with infrared from air surveillance (which raises the question of what you are doing).
            Also, you were in a high profile position. Are sure you you know your friends? Are you sure you never talked about it on the phone? Did you smoke with people at the university, or other places? I hate to ask those uncomfortable questions, but people get real jealous of career success and power. They'll smile to your face and cut your throat. Anyone doing what you were doing must have enemies, or at least people who would like to see you replaced, or see your project derailed or damaged.

            If McCain makes the next Supreme Court appointment, we will think the Bush days were the good old days!

            by phaktor on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 11:15:43 PM PDT

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            •  Infrared monitoring was deemed a search (2+ / 0-)

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              rewquiring a warrant, Kyllo v United States. The last of a string of cases in  which the Supreme Court's conservatives seemed to be restoring the 4th Amendment. Then came Sept. 11.

              Running against Herb "WIRETAP" Kohl in 2012. $1/year. Cash preferred.
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              by ben masel on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 11:33:59 PM PDT

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              •  yes, but what people (3+ / 0-)

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                don't realize is what all the whining that w was doing about "sharing information" among agencies was about -- back when they were passing the laws and creating the Department of the Vaderland. They all share their data now. Their is so much "legal" surveillance on the payroll that it opens up all sorts of behind-the-scenes loops for information to be trafficked back to local law enforcement, even under the table or through the grapevine.

                If McCain makes the next Supreme Court appointment, we will think the Bush days were the good old days!

                by phaktor on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 11:41:41 PM PDT

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  •  It sounds like you're the kind of guy (6+ / 0-)

    any community would be proud (and smart) to call its own. Good luck to you, wherever! And thanks for all the great work you've done...

    •  Thanks, nzanne- (3+ / 0-)

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      I have always tried to make a difference in my community and neighborhood.  It gives me a lot of satisfaction - and I think it's important, too.

      That won't change.  I just may have to spend more time electing decent officials - and getting a stupid and destructive system changed.  I'll need lots of help!

      It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds - Samuel Adams

      by Red no more on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:13:50 PM PDT

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  •  Convictions and Student loans: reform (6+ / 0-)

    Current Higher Education Act bars Student Loans and Grants after even minor controlled substance convictions.

    Chris Dodd recently introduced S. 2767 aimed at undoing this restriction. To date, only Kennedy and Whitehouse have signed as cosponsors.  Students for Sensible Drug Policy (SSDP) Action link

    Running against Herb "WIRETAP" Kohl in 2012. $1/year. Cash preferred.
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    by ben masel on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:50:01 PM PDT

    •  I thanked Senator Dodd- (4+ / 0-)

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      In person, Sunday night.  He was here for an Obama rally.  I think he was impressed that I thanked him for the bill, by number.  I told him I was trying to get Specter and Casey to co-sponsor, but no luck so far.  Glad to see someone else signed on.

      I thanked Dodd for his FISA stand, too.  Everyone else was busy whining about mortgages, gas prices, and social security.  Democrats...  Ooops - I are one now, too!

      It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds - Samuel Adams

      by Red no more on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 10:58:26 PM PDT

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    •  that's great (1+ / 0-)

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      To date, only Kennedy and Whitehouse have signed as cosponsors.

      Where's Obama and Clinton? Respectively hoping for change and ducking sniper fire?

  •  Hemp and Marijuana - (5+ / 0-)

    Medicine. Food. Fuel. Fiber. Harmless Recreation. Tax-base.

    The modern news media draws half its power from coils placed around the spinning in Edward R. Murrow's grave.

    by aigeanta on Thu Apr 10, 2008 at 11:00:23 PM PDT

  •  Ever consider emigrating to the Netherlands? n/t (0+ / 0-)

    The Dutch children's chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen (= “kids for kids”): is a world cultural treasure.

    by lotlizard on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 12:35:45 AM PDT

  •  strain? (0+ / 0-)

    Were you growing a specific variety or just some bagseed?

    2. the trait of utilizing knowledge and experience with common sense and insight

    by Racathter on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 01:20:33 AM PDT

  •  The irony (2+ / 0-)

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    Marijuana has fewer health risks beyond the small potential for lung damage that comes from any inhaled agent.  By contrast, alcohol is a neurotoxin and cytotoxin in any quantity beyond a small dose and is highly addictive, yet legal and encouraged in our society.  I bet the cops that searched your house  have thrown a few back in the past week. Because of these arcane laws, medical researchers in the US are unable to investigate the potential benefits of the compounds in cannabis despite strong promising preliminary investigations indicating benefits in vascular function

    Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. - Martin Luther King, Jr.

    by DWG on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 02:18:14 AM PDT

  •  How to Win the War on Drugs Overnight (7+ / 0-)

    Legalize Drugs

    When you do this the following happens:

    1. You cut the prison population in half (instant pardons for all those in jail on drug charges not involving violence)
    1. You cut down on crime since those robbing and stealing no longer need to as the cost of drugs would be a fraction of what they are illegally
    1. Fewer users. The percentage of drug use in countries with lenient laws is lower than the US. Additionally you can redirect the money spent on fighting illegal drugs to treatment
    1. Break the back of the illegal drug trade. As with prohibition the illegal trade will disappear overnight
    •  Forgot the most important (0+ / 0-)

      1. Removing the money from the illegal drug trade would remove the incentive for violent defence of "turf" (aka, every homicide you've ever heard of that was tagged a "drug deal gone bad")

      Bring the WAR home

      Starve the corporate beast, buy local!

      by EthrDemon on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 12:49:01 PM PDT

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  •  I'm fighting with you sir. (3+ / 0-)

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    I'm doing what I can to get it legalized (or at least decriminalized) north of your border.  If we can make it work here, your gov'mint won't have a leg to stand on.  Keep your chin up -- we'll get there!

    "If I can't dance, I don't want to be in your revolution." -- Emma Goldman; -8.38, -8.36

    by seenaymah on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:09:22 AM PDT

  •  you're a Haver (2+ / 0-)

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    you should not be a have-not.

    here's to all the having you deserve, and to the death of fucked-up laws that squander our time, treasure, attention and credibility.

  •  why don't we contact Penn State York (0+ / 0-)

    and politely ask them to maintain an employment relationship with Mr. Haver?

    some info

    Dr. Joel M. Rodney
    Chancellor

    Department: Commonwealth Campuses
    Office: Room 121, Main Classroom Building
    E-mail Address: jmr45@psu.edu
    Phone Number: 717-771-4120
    Fax Number: 717-771-4062

  •  That's so rediculous (3+ / 0-)

    It's beyond my ability to understand how you could end up a felon when you were hurting absolutly nobody. You're growing your own stuff, in the privacy of your own home, you're leading a productive life and contributing to society.... sometimes our country is so messed up, whether it be on the largest scale (Iraq) or the personal scale (your upsetting example).

    "People got used to being Domesticated Animals"

    by nNYKeith on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 06:49:45 AM PDT

  •  green guerilla tactics (2+ / 0-)

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    I am so sorry to hear about your predicament. I view the Great War on Marijuana as just another way to line the coffers of law enforcement with all the money and property they get to confiscate and keep. They love that stuff, so they convince themselves that every pot smoker is a filthy dirty America-hating terrorist.

    I would love to see everyone who can just drop seeds wherever you can, indiscriminately. I know pot used to grow wild; it would be fun to see that happen again. Start dumping seeds in the gardens of foreclosed McMansions, along the neighborhoods in NO that have never been rebuilt after Katrina, anywhere that highlights the absolute absence of positive government intervention.

    I know it wouldn't all grow, and those of us in the Northern climes can't really hope to have abundant outdoor crops, but I think it would be great if cannabis became ubiquitous in the landscape. Not so everyone can harvest it, but just so it becomes obvious that resistance is futile.

    Best of luck to you, Steve. I don't think you did anything wrong.

  •  our government has become the (1+ / 0-)

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    heart of darkness...things are upside down.

    I hope that your community comes through for you because you haven't hurt anyone, but have helped your own community.

    Will Amy Goodman host you on her show DemocracyNow?

    The story of banning hemp which has so many uses in the economy; the story of for profit prisons punishing  people for victimless inconsequential "crimes"; the injustices of draconian laws against harmless acts  while financial big wigs wreak havoc and our leaders wage endless wars...we're in big trouble....if you don't have a good lawyer to help you, I hope you consider getting a good publisher, if that's something you're interested in doing.

  •  One other consequence: (0+ / 0-)

    they take away your professional license. From doctor to engineer to court reporter to beautician, they destroy your career and livelihood.

    This whole thing is insane.

    Ah, but does the Buddha have cat nature?
    --dallasdave ca. 2008

    by dallasdave on Fri Apr 11, 2008 at 08:20:42 AM PDT

  •  Growing v Selling (1+ / 0-)

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    This ridiculous distinction which you so rightly pointed out (you're a "manufacturer" if you grow your own and don't contribute to illegal activities) is something that's irked me for a long time.

    As long as we're buying it from drug dealers, we're forced into the "war on drugs" narrative. "You're giving money to the terrorists!" But, God forbid, your personal taste is being goofy and happy instead of drunk and sloppy.

    I fervently hope once this blows over and the local press finds something else sensational, that all your fellow upstanding pot connoisseurs come out of the closet and hook you up with another job w/benefits.

    Best wishes!!!

  •  The problem is structural!!!!! (1+ / 0-)

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    I too have had run ins with the law. What most of you seem to be missing is that this is not just marijuana or drug laws. The problem is simply this.

    THE SYSTEM OF GOVERNMENT IN THIS COUNTRY IS BROKEN

    At nearly every level the legal social structures and conventions have been so perverted that words like grotesque and absurd fall far short of capturing the enormity of the problem. Problems like drug laws and torture of prisoners call for either widespread civil disobedience or widespread insurrection. Preferably the former. The system is broken many times over. Tyranny now walks the streets in badges and behind government titles. If nothing is done soon we won't be allowed by law to do this peacefully.

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