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MN Republican takes advantage of VA Tech tragedy to push for guns on campus...poll added

Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 07:53:09 AM PDT

This is my first diary, but I'm so mad that I just had to write.

While MN is known as a liberal state, we still have our share of right-wing crazies...more than enough for my taste. One of them is Republican state representative Tony Cornish who is so obsessed by guns that he recently authored a bill legalizing using a gun to defend your home and property, something that is already legal. I guess he just wanted to fulfill his campaign promises to the NRA or something.

His latest stunt takes the cake, in that he uses the victims of the VA Tech tragedy to push his own gun agenda by forcing campuses to allow students to carry concealed weapons.

More below the fold...

April 16th was the 1st anniversary of the shootings at VA Tech, which means that it is also the 1st anniversary of crazy proposals by gun-nuts using the victims to push their own NRA-sponsored agendas.

From the Minneapolis Star-Tribune, More guns, safer campus?:

A year after a deranged gunman killed 32 students and faculty at Virginia Tech, a debate over thwarting future attacks continues in Minnesota, where a legislator advocates allowing students to carry concealed weapons for protection on campus.

The proposal by Rep. Tony Cornish, R-Good Thunder, faces an uphill climb but reflects a national movement among gun advocates and some students to overturn prohibitions on students carrying weapons at college.

Contradicting the prevailing view and policies of Minnesota universities, the gun supporters argue that trained, armed students would prevent or minimize violence on campus.

While on its face this sounds logical (enabling students to defend themselves from crazy gunmen is good, right?) it would cause more problems than it solves, and the fact that most law enforcement officials are against this proposal shows that they agree. The facts are that having guns on campus increases suicides and gun violence, especially in a population known for drinking and risky behavior. While risky behavior is a part of campus life, we should not make it more dangerous for them by bringing guns into the mix. Having guns on campus year-round is not the answer for a problem that appears rarely if ever on campus.

The Star-Tribune also interviews a student that reflects the Republican's reliance on fear to push their agenda. Not only with campus violence, but many other issues.

Alex Tripp, a student at Minnesota State University, Mankato, who is active in the effort to allow students to carry guns, cited the shootings at Virginia Tech and Northern Illinois University in a recent letter to Cornish urging a change in state law.

"Before last year's shootings I never was scared on campus," Tripp wrote. "After these two shootings, I am scared. Very scared."
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Tripp, a 21-year-old junior, is a member of Students for Concealed Carry on Campus, which claims 25,000 members nationwide. He does not recall a serious incident at Mankato State, but said, "You never know when something like this could happen, and we don't think we should be left defenseless."

I have Republican friends, and when discussing politics they never seem to understand why irrational fear leads us to make bad decisions. They just give me a blank stare because I think they've been conditioned all their life to make decisions based on fear, and unfortunately the Republican Party reinforces that. This is a perfect example of how fear of something that doesn't affect this student personally forces him to support a supposed cure not based on facts, but based on his own fear of a crazy gunman on campus. Whether there are problems with students not being treated for mental health issues is irrelevant. All that matters is his fear.

University general counsel Mark Rotenberg said rare episodes of violence at American universities don't justify allowing guns on campus for protection.

"There are spectacular examples ... of violence on university campuses, but the facts are that this university and most university campuses are among the very safest places in the urban area," he said.

The facts support this, and turning our college campuses into Wild West shooting galleries is not going to make them any safer.

I'm happy that this won't go anywhere in Minnesota, but there are states where a crazy law like this might actually pass. We should be prepared to fight each year at this time when the VA Tech victims are again used for political purposes.

Please add your comments and take my poll.

Poll

Do you think that college students should be allowed to carry concealed handguns on campus?

16%9 votes
77%41 votes
5%3 votes
0%0 votes

| 53 votes | Vote | Results

Tags: Virginia Tech, Tony Cornish, Poll, Minnesota, Handguns, College (all tags) :: Previous Tag Versions

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  •  Hi (0+ / 0-)

    I just did a radio spot on this in VA (WRIR 97.3 fm). And we--insanely--had some delegates try the same shennigans. Mercifully it got voted down...

    I'll send you the mp3 once I get it posted.

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  •  Misplaced worries (1+ / 0-)

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    Dr Colossus

    You would think college students would be more concerned about there diminishing career prospects, and the 20000 dollars of federal debt they owe, thanks to conservative deficits.

  •  Good lord, I really love college students (1+ / 0-)

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    Dr Colossus

    but they are also some of the most volatile people in America. Can you imagine drunken frat parties... with gun? LARPers... with guns. Pissed off Earth Firsters... with guns. New AIM recruits.. with guns?

    bloody idiotic idea

    I am from MN and if you think our caucuses are undemocratic I have a lake to introduce you to.

    by edgeways on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 08:00:39 AM PDT

    •  This appears to be the same irrational fear (0+ / 0-)

      that the diarist is citing, especially when you consider that the number of gun crimes committed by those with CC permits is statistically far lower than the general population. The same fear the dope two posts down wrote about 18 year old boys running around campus with guns.

      But it must be rational since it's consistent with the accepted agenda.

      Free-market capitalism is the greatest anti-poverty program ever devised by man.

      by jqmilktoast on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 08:16:24 AM PDT

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      •  but where are the stats on age level CC gun (0+ / 0-)

        violence?

        I am from MN and if you think our caucuses are undemocratic I have a lake to introduce you to.

        by edgeways on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 08:20:35 AM PDT

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      •  I'm a dope, eh? (0+ / 0-)

        Do you honestly believe that encouraging the proliferation of small arms among an adolescent population is wise policy? Are you really that stupid?

        I've said it before--there's a gun culture here at dkos, and it rears its ugly head to support even the most obviously self-destructive policies.

        •  Precisely how (0+ / 0-)

          Will allowing those who have obtained concealed carry permits result in a "proliferation of small arms among an adolescent population"?

          You're implying that the passage of a measure allowing those with CC permits to carry on-campus will automatically result in some sort of arms race. Have you any idea the time and effort that is involved in receiving a concealed carry permit? Not to mention the costs involved in purchasing a handgun in the first place. Sure you can buy them cheap on the black market, but the kind of people who know how to obtain a firearm in this manner aren't really dissuaded by gun laws, now are they?

          You're obviously spouting the typical emotional knee-jerk reaction to a serious debate on gun policy. Since you asked the question, yes, you're a dope!

          Free-market capitalism is the greatest anti-poverty program ever devised by man.

          by jqmilktoast on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 11:53:48 AM PDT

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  •  Tips... (1+ / 0-)

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    decembersue

    Tips please...

    John McCain - A lobbyist's best friend

    by legendmn on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 08:10:05 AM PDT

  •  Simple response to this (2+ / 0-)

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    Joe Bob, parryander

    require the law also remove all metal detectors from the MN capitol buildings and allow concealed weapons to be carried in all State legislative buildings. Obviously, if this is a good idea Rep. Cornish won't mind if people carry concealed weapons into his offices, right? If he isn't willing to do that, then what is his justification for weapons on campus? More crazies likely to target the legislature.

    Guy did this in Colorado Springs when they wanted to expand concealed carry laws - showed up at the City Council meeting with a shotgun. Seemed the City Council was less receptive at that time.

    I'll walk 100 miles knocking on doors for my Dem candidate - Anna Lord for Colo HD21 - will you?

    by tjlord on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 08:10:22 AM PDT

  •  Heh. You look at the crime grid for St. Paul (1+ / 0-)

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    parryander

    and there is a little island of nonviolence around Hamline University, despite the nearby neighborhoods being a little rough. Hamline is a gun-free campus by policy. In fact, the effect is so pronounced that walking just two or three blocks off campus dramatically raises the probability of robbery or assault. They tell us this at our graduate school orientation.

    Having 18 year old boys running around with guns? That's gonna make someone feel safer?

  •  foolish proposal (0+ / 0-)

    To expand on the idiocy of Cornish's proposal: 1) You have to be 21 years of age to buy a handgun from a licensed dealer, that's a federal law. 2) You have to be 21 to apply for a concealed carry permit, that's a state law. So, that excludes about 3/4 of undergraduates right there.

    Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too dark to read. - Groucho Marx

    by Joe Bob on Thu Apr 17, 2008 at 08:51:11 AM PDT

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