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What they cost us...

Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:57:03 AM PDT

I have followed and, I admit, participated, in the blow up about the debate, and the various media personalities intent on making the topics covered central to the selection of the next President.

We rage, and fume, at the trivial and nonsensical nature of the public posturing of the Concern Trolls on cable TV, the pandering to their imaginary friends by the various columnists, and the hatchet jobs endlessly repeated on Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama.  Handy work of a destructive and terrible force in American politics.

But there is something much more insidious going on here and we have to lay it out for careful examination.

If we demand serious consideration of the extraordinary budget deficit and national debt, we are told that no one would pay any attention to the mutterings of preening personalities entrusted with informing the citizens of a democracy, if that were the topic.  This, in spite of findings in every opinion poll that citizines want to learn the candidate's positions on issues of import to them.  The War, Peak Oil, Climate Change, Globalization, the falling dollar, we beg for a discussion of these  critical issues.  

"Oh, no!", we are told, "you don't care about all that boring stuff.  Now, pay attention.  Did you know that candidate X once shook hands with a woman who later murdered her grandfather?    How should the voters feel about that Senator?  Are you going to murder your grandfather?"

We are repeatedly told that these are the things that matter -  gossipy, pointless, meanderings through the gaff and and the blunder - through hypothetical foolishness, and imaginary moral failures, through sins of association, misstated and misrepresented fragments of analysis, and deliberate attempts to create controversy where none exists.

And everyone plays along, afraid of being called weak, or elitist, or "out of touch".

Consider what this has given us.

We have seen a string of terribly flawed candidates elevated to the office of the President, primarily because the conduit of information thinks the whole bloody thing is a game.  A game of selecting the candidate who will survive their trivial and deliberately childish determination of what voters shall use to make their decisions.

Boring?

Regular Guy.

Egg-head?

Elitist?

Maverick?

Liar?

Each of these terms came to dominate the narrative when discussing one of the brilliant men and women who have risen to compete for the Presidency.  Each is dismissive, demeaning and designed to shape the thinking of those who pay little attention to politics and look for a short-hand meme to aid in their decision.  And, each led to the selection of a flawed candidate over a strong and skillful one.

The citizens can not be blamed.  How can most of us really know who these people are when our only exposure to any of them is through the carefully staged event, and the filter of the personal preferences, and personality quirks of which Talking Head hated his mother, feared his father, or felt intellectually inadequate in the presence of a great mind?

It is not enough to insist that each voter go to the web site of each candidate and read and compare their position papers.  Like polls, position papers are a snap shot of plans based on current circumstances.  Those positions will, and must, change as circumstances change.  Further, unless we want to establish a test for voters, we must acknowledge that many voters cannot understand the complexities of policy in which they have no background.  And in spite of the number of mature participants on the blogs, a very large number of voters either still have no access to the web, or do not know how to use it effectively.  They are left to learn about each candidate from the TV, the print medium, and the gossipy comments of neighbors and family.

We all agree that this may be the single most serious election in our lifetime.  The mess that must be untangled, the limited funds to do so, the recapturing of status for America on the world stage, all cry for serious, skillful people, gifted intellects with a vast understanding and tolerance for ambiguity.  These are, however, not the qualities that are being paraded for the "masses".  They are, instead, being entertained with a mind numbing parade of irrelevancies, designed to confuse and complicate their voting decisions.

If we get another George W. Bush it may well signify the end of America as we know it.  If we get another media manufactured empty suit, popular with the Guys and Gals on the Bus, but devoid of the skill to attack and halt the descent into the abyss, if we don't continue to challenge the childish and fearfully harmful effect of the media coverage of this election, we will deserve our own destruction, because we sat back and ridiculed but did nothing to change the discussion.

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  •  How do we tell voters that (30+ / 0-)

    the things they are basing their decision on are pure crap?  How do we tell them that they may not have liked the smartest kid in the class, but if something complex and dangerous must be done, they don't want their best friend to do it, unless she was a straight A student?

    How do we fight generations of anti-intellectuism?

    Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way before it is understood.

    by Granny Doc on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 08:59:28 AM PDT

    •  The netroots is a start (8+ / 0-)

      One of the things the internet has allowed us to do is create an alternative source of information than the corporate media.  Sites like Daily Kos have come a long way in providing people with information that is actually relevant to what is going on in their country.

      My biggest question is how do we adapt to increase our audience?  While Kos has a huge audience, and it still keeps growing, we are not breaking out to reach a large segment of the population.  

      Come check us out at Strategy '08. Get all the information on Obama vs. the other guy.

      by smash artist on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:02:55 AM PDT

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    •  I wish I knew (3+ / 0-)

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      I hear your frustration.  People aren't interested in actually learning, about the world around them, they're interested in the latest about American Idol.  For those of us who are interested and involved in the political process (left and right), there is a level of frustration.

      There are ideas, we love our country deeply, and are saddened that the majority of the electorate is so apathetic.  Thus, we're forced to find the "rock star" candidate that might energize a few more percentage points of the people, but just might actually share our views to move the country forward.

      Oprah for President, 2016, after two Obama terms.

    •  How do you get (0+ / 0-)

      people to stop shopping at WalMart?

      -7.50/-7.90 Everyone knows I'm out in left field.

      by WiseFerret on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:13:15 AM PDT

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    •  By winning (1+ / 0-)

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      And showing how the coountry functions when people who put some thought into it are running it. By sucessfully overturning the worst of the last 8 years and putting the country back on track.

      "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." Sen Daniel Patrick Moynihan

      by atlliberal on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:15:57 AM PDT

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      •  When was the last time this country was on track? (1+ / 0-)

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        I'm nearly 40, and it certainly hasn't been on track during my lifetime, whatever the Gallup poll says.

        "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

        by Pesto on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:27:16 AM PDT

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        •  There have always been (4+ / 0-)

          dangerous idiots, but we usually had a few cooler heads to insert some sanity into the debate.  Where are the statesmen?  Those who place the country above themselves?

          Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way before it is understood.

          by Granny Doc on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:29:01 AM PDT

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          •  Barack Obama is that kind of statesman (3+ / 0-)

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            And it's what draws people to him.

            He's a smart, decent man who places his country above himself.

            Love, baby, that's where it's at. --The B52's

            by Mind That on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:31:40 AM PDT

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          •  There are a few, but (2+ / 0-)

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            Before they can be heard, we have to cut through all of the media's focus on silliness.

            "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." Sen Daniel Patrick Moynihan

            by atlliberal on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:40:08 AM PDT

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          •  The problem with the System (4+ / 0-)

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            is not that there are bad people in charge of it, though that is certainly the case right now and certainly doesn't help.

            The problem with the System is that even good people within it do very, very bad things.  In fact, doing that and ensuring its stability is pretty much its reason for existing.

            No "statesman" will save us from ourselves.  Debs said it best (as he often seemed to!):

            "If you are looking for a Moses to lead you out of this capitalist wilderness, you will stay right where you are. I would not lead you into the promised land if I could, because if I lead you in, some one else would lead you out. You must use your heads as well as your hands, and get yourself out of your present condition."

            "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

            by Pesto on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:40:26 AM PDT

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        •  I'm 43 and i agree with you (2+ / 0-)

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          I'm thinking historically. The New deal is one of those times when a politically brave president fixed the mess of his predecessors. That can happen again, if we stand up to the Republican slime machine and let them know we aren't buying their lies anymore.

          "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but not their own facts." Sen Daniel Patrick Moynihan

          by atlliberal on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:38:29 AM PDT

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          •  That happened because the country (2+ / 0-)

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            was seen as being on the verge of revolution.  It was a world in which the Tsar had been brought down, Socialists and Communists were organizing worldwide, and Americans were joining in and, in many places, practically on the verge of rebellion.

            American culture and politics back then were worlds away from where we are now.  Capital has no real reason to fear us, and no real reason to compromise.

            "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

            by Pesto on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:43:31 AM PDT

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    •  I think it is also up to the candidate... (4+ / 0-)

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      their team and their surrogates to tell the voters that through the media.  This, in and of itself, is one of the most important issue/theme of this election.

      "We're all working for the Pharaoh" - Richard Thompson

      by mayan on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:25:23 AM PDT

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      •  But the candidates, themselves, (5+ / 0-)

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        are cowed by the unremitting foolishness, afraid of being taken out of context, or having a comment labeled, beyond their control.

        The media has become a danger to democracy.

        Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way before it is understood.

        by Granny Doc on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:27:31 AM PDT

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        •  Perhaps... (3+ / 0-)

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          I think there's always been major issues with the media.  Just ask William Randolph Hearst and look at the contortions that FDR had to go through to woo him at times.  

          Still, with the new conglomeration and the merger and loss of independent smaller outlets into mega corporations that blast their agitprop through their newspapers, radio shows and TV...I agree that we have reached a very scary place.  FAUX News and it's relationship to Rove and Ailes is, of course, one such example.  Of course we have, in large part, McCain to thanks for this state of affairs and I believe the media outlets are rewarding him for his earlier support.  I don't quite remember where the Clintons (either Bill or HRC) were on the telecom bills.

          "We're all working for the Pharaoh" - Richard Thompson

          by mayan on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:32:55 AM PDT

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  •  "The citizens can not be blamed." (8+ / 0-)

    I actually disagree with this point.  We, and the generations before us, are basically responsible for the state of the county.  No, not every single detail.  But in the big picture, the US is the country we're comfortable with.

    Did we riot after 2000 to stop the Bush installation? Did we set up a tent city, like the Bonu Army, to demand that the government follow through on its vague promises to rebuild New Orleans? Have we occupied the Capitol to end the War?

    I've done a certain amount to stop the war (marches, donating money, letters to electeds, etc), and I've been an activist for about 15 years.  But I certainly haven't done everything I could to change the fundamental nature of our society.  I've basically said, "I've tried, and I'll keep trying to some degree, but not more than that."  Which means that I'm okay with not succeeding at some level.

    I'm not pointing fingers.  We're all to blame.  And we'll all pay the price in the long run, and our society as a whole will deserve it.

    "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

    by Pesto on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:09:37 AM PDT

    •  I suppose I was responding (3+ / 0-)

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      to a comment I heard last night as I was running away from "all poligamy, all the time".  The speaker said, "You can not blame these women.  That is all they know."

      If the electorate has been lied to and mislead for over 30 years, I'm not sure they are the ones responsible.  They have lived, and decided, in a cocoon of lies and trivia, until they have come to dismiss all information except their need to vote as a civic responsibility.  They look for the quick and dirty way to decide.  The media provides them with that.

      Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way before it is understood.

      by Granny Doc on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:13:50 AM PDT

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      •  False consciousness (1+ / 0-)

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        Yes, to some extent we have to account for people's false consciousness and ask, "How do we change this?"

        But note that the TX compound was changed more or less from without -- the State is going to take those kids away from that environment, regardless of what they or their own kids or their parents want at the moment.

        If the US as a whole is truly as much of a closed, exploitative system as that compound, then we're incapable of imagining a new reality and of liberating ourselves from it.  I actually wonder if we're a lot closer to that state of affairs than most kossacks would admit, personally.

        In the end, we're all in this society together, and we're all warped by its corruption, inhumane values, and dishonesty.  None of us is able to stand outside of it, outside of ourselves, plant a flag, and say, "Here is where to find Liberty.  Everyone come over here!"

        But that's not what electoral politics is about, in the end.  Conventional politics, by definition, is anti-revolutionary, deeply conservative.  So even in a best-case scenario, the 2008 election can accomplish only what it is possible to accomplish in that kind of system.  Which isn't nearly enough.

        "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

        by Pesto on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:35:00 AM PDT

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      •  And today, it's 'all Pope, all the time,' and (1+ / 0-)

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        how anyone with even half-a-brain could have voted for Bush in 2004, still amazes me.  The blame for the last four years goes squarely in their corner!
             I'm more from the John Stewart school of thought= I want the smartest individual in the pack for president, surely by now the populace should be fed up with voting for the guy with whom one would share a beer.  How George Bush could have gone to Yale and Harvard and still ended up as dumb as he is also amazes me...none of that heady education even rubbed off by accident?
            As far as applying appellations to political candidates, that sport will never die out - it is to words and journalists what caricatures are to political cartoonists. I'll happily go with: thinking, elitist egghead, Constitutional lawyer when it comes to my vote.

        In youth we learn, in age we understand.

        by Jbeaudill on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:51:32 AM PDT

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  •  It's worse than that--those non-issues (8+ / 0-)

    served as smokescreens to obscure the half-truths and lies that the moderators were selling us.  The fact that those falsehoods came in the 2d half after the slimefest of the first half may be more than coincidental.

    Steph asserted, as a statement of fact, that Iran is pursuing nukes despite the recent NIE to the contrary.  HRC followed up on his lead by advocating a NATO for the Gulf States.  In the post-debate, Buchanan correctly noted that there's a big difference between forming an alliance built around other Western democracies and forming one built around dictatorships and monarchies.

    Gibson asserted, as a statement of fact, that cutting cap gains taxes increases revenues.  There was never really a chance to challenge this assertion.  No one dared mention Gibson's presumed personal interest in keeping cap gains rates low.

    Neocon FP and supply side economics were largely accepted as statements of fact, but people were so obsessed w/ flag lapel pins that no one noticed.

    Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

    by RFK Lives on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:17:02 AM PDT

    •  Yup. (2+ / 0-)

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      And in a world where yesterdays debate is fish wrap, the impressions were planted without challenge.

      Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way before it is understood.

      by Granny Doc on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:19:02 AM PDT

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    •  Part of the problem, though (2+ / 0-)

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      is that the half-truths and lies are clearly part of the Washington Consensus (both foreign and domestic policy, that is), and both Obama and Hillary fall squarely within that consensus.  Their not really prepared ideologically or rhetorically to challenge those assumptions.

      This, BTW, is why people might want to rethink the "Dennis Kucinich is cluttering up the dais!" position.  That kind of stuff wouldn't fly nearly as well with a more diverse set of candidates.

      "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

      by Pesto on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:26:04 AM PDT

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      •  HRC's in the bell curve of that consensus (1+ / 0-)

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        Obama's on the left side of it.  He didn't call for NATO in the Gulf States, he didn't threaten "massive retaliation" upon Iran, he didn't vote for K-L, and he publicly opposed the IWR.  He has his flaws, but he's far and away the best alternative we have.

        Some men see things as they are and ask why. I see things that never were and ask why not?

        by RFK Lives on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:14:22 AM PDT

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        •  I'm not sure how narrow the consensus is (1+ / 0-)

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          People like Brzezinski and Scowcroft also opposed the Iraq War and advise more internationalism and caution.    The fact that people like Zbig and David Boren are foreign policy advisers for Obama makes it very hard for me to see him on the left side of anything to do with foreign affairs.  If those guys are on the left side of the curve, then it's more of a test-tube than a bell, IMHO.

          Economically (and a whole lot of it boils down to that in the end) Obama's right in the middle, very much part of the conventional view of the economy.  I agree he's the best alternative, but that's largely because the system is designed to produce only bad alternatives.

          "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

          by Pesto on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 01:36:13 PM PDT

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  •  I had an epiphany of sorts (7+ / 0-)

    while caucusing here in Washington State. As I sat with my neighbors waiting for things to begin, we we talked. These are the people I live with. They are the people I bump shopping carts with at the grocery store. They are the ones who walk their dogs at the same time on the same streets as I do.

    We sat together as neighbors and shared our political thoughts. We did it in a civil, honest way because these are the people we must live with every day. I watched neighbors persuading neighbors.

    I'm convinced that one of the biggest things we can do to overcome the influence of the corporate info-tainment media, is to step outside and talk to the people we find there.

    Love, baby, that's where it's at. --The B52's

    by Mind That on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:28:22 AM PDT

    •  A very important point. (3+ / 0-)

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      I may be discouraged because my neighbors ain't much to shout about...

      Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way before it is understood.

      by Granny Doc on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:30:53 AM PDT

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      •  I thought that too until I started engaging them (4+ / 0-)

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        about politics.

        My first caucus was actually in 2003 and for the past 5 years I've been bumping into those people around the neighborhood. We always tell each other what we're thinking.

        The idiot with the messy lawn is actually the guy who got me looking at Obama in the first place.

        Give 'em a chance.

        Love, baby, that's where it's at. --The B52's

        by Mind That on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:34:25 AM PDT

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        •  Ahhh (3+ / 0-)

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          But you are in the enlightened Pacific Northwest.  I toil in the bowels of southern Virginia...

          Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way before it is understood.

          by Granny Doc on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:37:11 AM PDT

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          •  Busted (2+ / 0-)

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            I actually live in the most liberal precinct of the very liberal Seattle.

            In 2003 I persuaded several people to switch their votes from Kucinich and Dean to Kerry. They still give me the business about that -- I'm now known as the neighborhood right-winger. (Many of my neighbors are still convinced that Obama is a corporate shill.)

            I have, however, lived in SC, so I get it. I felt like I'd succeeded when I could demonstrate to my neighbors that liberals aren't going to sneak into their bedrooms at night and abort their fetuses. I got used to being introduced as, "My Democrat friend."

            Love, baby, that's where it's at. --The B52's

            by Mind That on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:48:18 AM PDT

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  •  Double blind test (2+ / 0-)

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    What would happen if a political race was done like a wine tasting?
     Voters and media would not be allowed to see what the candidates looked like, so there would be no silly attacks on their appearance or what they did or not wear.
     Voters would need to actually read (or listen to) the candidate's positions on issues (coming directly from the candidate) rather than hearing sound bites as twisted and modified by the TM.
     Independent (non-media) third parties would provide and/or confirm other facts (not innuendo) about the candidates (Eg. reviews of tax returns.)

    My Karma just ran over your Dogma

    by FoundingFatherDAR on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:33:31 AM PDT

  •  Yes, I have been try to get attention (5+ / 0-)

    on the foreclosure-housing bill with a half dozen diaries.  I pimp it everywhere, and people who read about it are engaged, and see the disconnect between what is about to pass and reality.

    But it remains on a back burner as the "contest" absorbs all the oxygen.  In some way, ABC was doing what we do here, focusing on the Action.

    Heres the diary

    Let's see how many are really interested in this boring policy stuff.

    •  But that inattention to issues is partly due (2+ / 0-)

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      to the ideology of dKos, which is that every problem in the world can be solved by "electing more and better Democrats."

      This place is designed to have all the air sucked out of it by the primaries and the general election.  Nothing in the world is more important, in fact, than nominating the "right" candidate and getting him/her in the White House.  It's not an accident that all other issues seem secondary to that -- it's the whole point of the site!

      "Run, comrade, the old world is behind you!" -- Situationist graffito, 1968

      by Pesto on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:56:16 AM PDT

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      •  I think that, (1+ / 0-)

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        given the philosophical and governing differences between the two parties, I find it difficult to support any Republican.  All the good ones have been driven from the party by the nuts, and power brokers.

        Subtlety is the art of saying what you think and getting out of the way before it is understood.

        by Granny Doc on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 09:59:55 AM PDT

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  •  Reading about the half truths, not being able (1+ / 0-)

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    to stop people from Walmart, how do we teach responsibility, etc. brings many awkward thoughts to mind.

    I don't know how the average Joe in America can be taught anythng if they don't wish to learn on their own.

    The candidates and just about everyone uses our language without any real thought on some very picayune and really big issues daily.

    Was watchng a program this morning whereas two current politicians, a news anchor and a so called expert discussed our democracy.

    Wrong. We do not have a democracy, we have a republic. As a matter of fact the word democracy isn't used in the Constitution or the Declaration of Independence,... not one time.

    When I bring that up to people they object and give false argument until I mention the Pledge of Allegiance,..... and to the Republic..

    Life is strange when I think about what I was taught back in the 40s and 50s. WTF are the kids learning today?

    Reality is best served in small portions and only to others.

    by 0hio on Sat Apr 19, 2008 at 11:29:30 AM PDT

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