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A Bad Day for More McConnell Posturing

Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:29:16 PM PDT

Made worse by the fact that Democratic House member Anna Eshoo is joining with him in propogating more lies about why this government is trying to gut judicial and Congressional oversight of intelligence.

They start out:

Recent reports in this paper and others allege the existence of broad intelligence programs run by the National Security Agency to process wide-ranging personal data on Americans' activities. One of us (Eshoo) sees this as the latest in a string of troubling accusations about the erosion of privacy and civil liberties since 9/11. The other (McConnell) sees it as more hyperbole and inaccurate press reports designed to mislead the public into thinking that the intelligence community is acting against American law and values. Honest people can differ on these tough issues. We think it is healthy. This is America, after all.

Eshoo should be ashamed of herself. Those reports detailed how the government--in direct defiance of a Congressional ban--continued programs to collect massive amounts of data about the phone calls, e-mails, financial records, travel, Internet searches, Internet activity of millions of Americans. In direct defiance of a Congressional ban. And McConnell as an "honest" broker in this? The Mike McConnell who accused United States Senators of arguing to dismantle the nation's intelligence system? Of stating in debate over FISA that Bush should be jailed? That McConnell?

McConnell and Eshoo, inexplicably, are trying to push anew effort to prevent "a cyber attack [that] could be more devastating economically than Sept. 11." Yet another new threat that can only be combated by yet another secret NSA program that will require the cooperation of those patriotic telecoms. The pair conclude, seemingly completely without irony:

Finally, no cyber-security plan will succeed without congressional support. Checks and balances are essential in a democracy, particularly when the matter concerns secret government programs that rightly remain out of the public view. Active congressional oversight gives the public confidence that their rights and their security are being properly attended to, and such oversight allows Congress to say so confidently and publicly.

For foreign threat information, pursuant to a legal framework, the government must listen in. But in so doing, we should also listen to the voices of our founding fathers, who foresaw that a nation without freedom at home would be incapable of standing for freedom around the world. We need a professional and empowered intelligence community as well as effective congressional oversight to protect our nation. We are committed to both.

This was a very bad day for Mike McConnell and his new Democratic buddy to try to pawn yet another secret program off on us. This day when the deprivation of what this administration has done in the name of national security has been fully exposed. Were the voices of the founding fathers ringing in the ears of John Yoo when he penned the infamous torture memo, in secret, without Congressional support, oversight, or knowledge? The memo that led to Abu Graib, that led to innocent men tortured and imprisoned in Guantanamo?

Does this Congress really want to grant any more license to this administration of liars, with its track record, when it comes to our sacred liberty? No more. Just say no to the Bush administration and the continued degradation of our reputation and principles. Let this most disgraceful chapter in the history of the United State finally close in eight months, with no more license given to them to damage us further.

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  •  2008 should be OUR year (2+ / 0-)

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    borkitekt, luckylizard

    At least for Senate and House.  If only we can avoid shooting ourselves in the foot once again for the presidential race...

    The Seminole Democrat
    A blue voice calling from the deep red

    by SemDem on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:30:46 PM PDT

    •  I'm worried about the next 8 months (11+ / 0-)

      at the moment.

      "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

      by mcjoan on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:31:35 PM PDT

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      •  Call me myopic, (5+ / 0-)

        but I'm worried about the next eight hours.

      •  "In direct defiance of a Congressional ban" (1+ / 0-)

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        luckylizard

        Reagan (and Bush I) got away with this in the Iran-Contra outrage. Why shouldn't Cheney (and Bush II) be able to do the same? No one stopped Ronnie. The press didn't stand up and say "Liar" and "Hypocrite" loud enough or long enough. Neither did the sheep-like, MSM-hypnotized voting public. We got what the majority of us wanted - nothing. Times were good financially when that happened.

        The same set of conditions prevail right now. Dick and W will make it out the door without impeachment and conviction nipping at their heels. Hell, that dog not only won't hunt, it won't even wag its fucking tail. They'll skate and we all lose. Why? Because the MSM is compliant and the majority is just too damn complacent.

        Want proof? Look at how well McSame is doing in the GE polls. Tell me this country isn't totally fucked.

        Like you, mcjoan, I too am worried about the next eight months. It's getting so much worse so fast that it's making people's heads spin. One little election cycle isn't going to change much of anything. The genie is out of the bottle and boy, is he some kind of pissed off or what?

        "He not busy being born is busy dying." R. Zimmerman

        by RUKind on Thu Apr 03, 2008 at 01:15:18 AM PDT

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    •  Sorry, I thought I was posting to the previous (1+ / 0-)

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      frontpage.  You guys are quick :)

      The Seminole Democrat
      A blue voice calling from the deep red

      by SemDem on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:31:52 PM PDT

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    •  The understatement of the year... (0+ / 0-)

      If only we can avoid shooting ourselves in the foot once again for the presidential race...

      I've spent nearly the entire day reading diaries that do exactly that, shaking my head in astonishment, that there's still those that can possibly believe that a party divided against itself can still stand, and that a divided party has any chance at all of stopping a 3rd Bush term.

      Hillary's base cannot do it alone. Obama's base as formidable as it is cannot do it alone. We must turn the page and unite once and for all--or face defeat at the hands of the repubs once again. And we'll have only ourselves to blame!

      "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan

      by ImpeachKingBushII on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:46:00 PM PDT

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  •  A cyber attack on the nation? (5+ / 0-)

    Oh horrors. The consequences would probably be as dire as what we experience on 01/01/2001!

    CHRISTIAN, n. One who believes that the New Testament is a divinely inspired book admirably suited to the spiritual needs of his neighbor. A. Bierce

    by irate on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:33:52 PM PDT

    •  There may be more than Telecom companies... (5+ / 0-)

      Anna Eshoo, a close, long time associate of Speaker Pelossi,  represents Silicon Valley, has been an exceptionally strong supporter of its tech industries.

      Silicon Valley is home to the big Networking Equipment companies (Cisco, Juniper, etc.) it is hard to do something with web/email/social networking or VOIP (Internet Telephone) without going through their routers.  There are also web sites ideally positioned to monitor you Google, Yahoo, Facebook, etc. Your TXT messaging from your mobile phone across wireless carriers go through VeriSign. However, there are no Telecoms based in Silicon Valley.

      What if wire-tapping was not just through Telecom companies - but through Cisco & Juniper routers, Google and Yahoo email and search tracking (they track every search request you make from your computer), the list of high tech companies and ways they could be helping or doing Internet wiretaping is endless.

      In an Internet world these are the companies you want to assist you in secret wiretapping - even more than Telcoms.

      Anna Eshoo may not be focused on protecting Telecoms but the Internet equipment, software and websites in her district - that may be helping - that has not come to light.

      And Lawsuits against these companies would be devastating to her district due to the widespread use of employee stock options.

      The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

      by nextstep on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:34:50 PM PDT

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      •  $$$$$$$ (1+ / 0-)

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        "the list of high tech companies and ways they could be helping" ~~ explains more about Eschoo's stance than anything else.  Who is this gal?  Guess I'm going to do some research.  Sounds like she's about ready for a primary challenge.

        Republicans: Your history has earned you a new mantra: "War and waste." ~~ Marta Jorgensen (CA-24 in '08)

        I am an Edwards Democrat!

        by Scubaval on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:56:41 PM PDT

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      •  Follow the money...it stinks (0+ / 0-)

        As a VoIP security technologist (we develop and make esoteric stuff to prevent VoIP eavesdropping) I think Eschoo is following her donations, not the technologists advice.

        I was at a recent network conference and even the  BIG TELECOM NAME HERE security folks believe the immunity legislation stinks like last year's fish.

        While we  technologists believe in the constitution,  the big money folks are about power. And money and power go together in congress.

        Frankly, Eschoo has sold us out.

  •  Mike McConnell is a very, very bad man. (2+ / 0-)

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    esquimaux, luckylizard

    With the amount of outsourcing of intelligence functions that's happened over the past six years, we may never know the full extent of how deeply our civil liberties have been betrayed.

    •  I urge you all to read a book called (0+ / 0-)

      Spies for Hire. It'll be out early May. Pre-order it; it's well worth the money and the wait.

    •  McConnell's Job Is To Cover-Up (4+ / 0-)

      that FISA was adequate on 9/11 and that Bush/Cheney had all the tools they needed to prevent it.  

      Prior to 9/11: Admittedly, via Ricahrd Clarke, Terrorism was demoted as a proproity.  

      Bush/Cheney ignored Presidential Daily Briefings chilling in their similarity to the actual 9/11 attacks.  

      They ignored that at least one of the highjackers was on a Terrorist Watch List.  

      They ignored memos from FBI agents imploring them to check Moussaoui's computer.  

      They ignored they had paid FBI informants rooming with the eventual terrorists, who somehow escaped to carry out the greatest Mass Murder in American History.  

      And now we have Mukasey saying they knew al Qaeda was calling concerning an attack and did nothing to stop it, even though FISA stood in their way, not one bit.  

      The story goes on and on.  This cover-up must end, however.  

    •  Ok here's some of the Bush "Intolerable Acts"... (1+ / 0-)

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      jnhobbs

      ...you can bone-up on, just for starters:
      USAPatriot Act I & II as enhanced.
      Military Commissions Act of 2006.
      John Warner National Defense Authoriation Act of 2007.
      Protect America Act of 2007.
      Presidential Directive NPSD-51.
      HR1955 Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007:

      "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan

      by ImpeachKingBushII on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:59:29 PM PDT

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  •  NO MORE shredding of the constitution... (3+ / 0-)

    back to checks and balances!  No to Bush... and yes to having our country back!

    Our country can survive war, disease, and poverty... what it cannot do without is justice.

    by mommyof3 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:34:19 PM PDT

  •  "More devastating economically than Sept. 11." (7+ / 0-)

    I'm being as gentle as I can be here: That is fucking depraved. People died on Sept. 11.

    The above comment is probably disrespectful of John McCain's military service somehow.

    by RickMassimo on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:37:39 PM PDT

  •  Damn, just moved from Eshoo's district (CA-14) (9+ / 0-)

    I still sent her a stern-worded email, but I presume the presence of many military contractors in the district are the reason for her "outspoken" concerns.

    Still, this proves out Eisenhower's "Military Industrial [Congressional] Complex" issue: the beast has as many heads as there are congressional district due to bases and contractor offices.

    Anna, just to letcha know... we're watching and listening now.  Don't get comfortable if you're gonna take the side against liberties and side with the Bush cronies.

    --
    Make sure everyone's vote counts: Verified Voting

    by sacrelicious on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:38:23 PM PDT

  •  They'll be out in 300 days or less (2+ / 0-)

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    Bob Love, leonard145b

    We don't need no stinkin' legislation for them to spy on us.

    Save this for Obama.

  •  Better Democrats, please (5+ / 0-)

    Better and more.

    "Arguments are extremely vulgar, for everyone in good society holds exactly the same opinion." - Oscar Wilde

    by LeftHandedMan on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:44:32 PM PDT

    •  Since people actually died on 9-11 (4+ / 0-)

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      SecondComing, fhcec, esquimaux, Scubaval

      and thousands and thousands are now maimed or burdened because of lingering handicaps and illnesses, there needs to be a September 11th version of Godwin's law.

      I am so sick of absurd parallels being drawn between matters having to do with money and power and dirty diaper politics (say mega-corporation's potential legal exposure and their patron's desires for them to have blanket immunity for past and future lawbreaking) being put up on a scale with 9-11 dead. Not when we finally get John Yoo's torture memo in all of its horror doing far more damage to US national security and our safety.  

      "Arguments are extremely vulgar, for everyone in good society holds exactly the same opinion." - Oscar Wilde

      by LeftHandedMan on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:51:43 PM PDT

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  •  Gaaah! (2+ / 0-)

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    Anna Eshoo got co-opted by the Intelligence Committee mindset.  Despite her disclaimer in the article that she's concerned about Civil Liberties, she's still signed on to this very bad bill/set of possible bills.  This is another Congressperson co-opted by the Intelligence Committee mentality.  I'm not at all clear why she can't wait until next year.  This is actually strange since she represents part of Silicon Valley.  She's never been really Progressive, but never very right wing either.  Her concerns have been health care.  I don't get it.

    •  Maybe she really is worried about cyber-attacks (1+ / 0-)

      Her district is full of Silicon Valley firms like Google with huge Internet servers.  But that's not a very good excuse -- her district is solidly liberal and not likely to buy the fearmongering crap.

      •  are their servers really physically there? (1+ / 0-)

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        rather than dispersed in different secret locations?

        in and of itself, that is troubling... think earthquakes, electrical outages... whatever in the natural world.

        •  I don't know where the servers are (1+ / 0-)

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          but the point is that the companies are headquartered there, so her district clearly has deep-pocketed constituents who care about cyber-security.  They could be pressuring her to support secret NSA programs, or maybe not; maybe she's capable of idiocy without any help.

  •  ten years from now, the internet will come to a (4+ / 0-)

    screeching halt because of a massive surge in viagra-related spam, and then we'll wonder why we spend so much time worrying about cyberattacks...

  •  The Eshoo statement is especially troubling.... (6+ / 0-)

    ....it sounds like a "feeler" that is being sent out by the Democratic leadership to see what would happen if the Dems capitulated.  If the Eshoo statement doesn't cause a furor, then they'd feel comfortable going ahead with a bold and decisive capitulation.

    McCain mortgage policy shaped by banking lobbyist.

    by xynz on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:47:13 PM PDT

  •  I'm concerned that too many Dems are complicit. (3+ / 0-)

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    Surely the sum of all these illegal endeavours would catch one of their attentions otherwise, and they and the media would snap back into place.

    There is a FOIA document that contains post mortems of Iraqis who have died in US custody- not many people talking about it- 50, maybe 100 dead?:

    This approximately 27 year old male civilian, presumed Iraqi national, died in US custody approximately 72 hours after being apprehended. By report, physical force was required during his initial apprehension during a raid. During his confinement, he was hooded, sleep deprived, and subjected to hot and cold environmental conditions, including the use of cold water on his body and hood. Flexcuffs used around each wrist. Abrasions and contusions around wrists. Minor abrasions and contusions of extremities. Laceration above right eyebrow, 1cm. Contusion of right side of neck. Minor abrasions of left side of forehead. Subgaleal hemmorrhage of bilateral frontal regions of scalp. Intramuscular hemorrhage of anterior aspect of right shoulder. No internal evidence of trauma. No significant evidence of natural disease. Drugs and abrasions consistent with defribilation efforts. Rib fractures consistent with CPR efforts. Concludes that cause of death cannot be determined. There is evidence of multiple minor injuries, including "blackeyes", abrasions and contusions of the face, torso and extremities, side of the next and subgaleal hemorrage of the scalp. The decedent was also subjected to cold and wet conditions and hypothermia may have contributed to his death.

    Listen to Noam Chomsky's Necessary Illusions. (mp3!)

    by borkitekt on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:47:29 PM PDT

  •  Asshat (2+ / 0-)

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    Active congressional oversight gives the public confidence that their rights and their security are being properly attended to, and such oversight allows Congress to say so confidently and publicly.

    BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! That is a priceless April Fools joke.

    Oh... you're serious?

    No, dearest congressperson, Congressional oversight doesn't make me particularly comfortable with the government collecting data on me that it has no business collecting.

    You guys work for me, remember? If anything, as an employer, I should have thick dossiers filed away with all of your personal and professional information.

    "Morbo congratulates our gargantuan cyborg president. May death come quickly to his enemies."

    by Dread972 on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 02:49:44 PM PDT

  •  Can't wait until John Yoo is indicted by Spain (5+ / 0-)

    Could make Euro travel a little dicey.  As for me, I just re-upped with the ACLU, as should we all.

    •  I give by payroll deduction... (0+ / 0-)

      It's easy, and it's the right thing to do.

      They had fangs...they were drinking blood....They had this look in their eyes, totally animal. I think they were young Republicans. (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)

      by wrights on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:11:53 PM PDT

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  •  Yet another example of the Village Idiots (4+ / 0-)

    only listening to and talking amongst themselves. Anyone inside the Village, no matter how far across the aisle from you ideologically, is by definition a decent, honorable and honest person with whom you might occasionally disagree on some minor point or two, but a Very Serious Person nonetheless. Anyone outside the Village--i.e. the rest of us--is, by definition, an angry, confused, unserious ranting dimwit who needs to shut up and listen to the experts tell us how it is, and stop trying to play armchair politician, beaurocrat or pundit, because we just don't know what we're talking about. See, democracy was never meant to actually BE democratic!

    Anna Eschoo, Worst Person in the World!

    Or is it "Mmmm...Bushed"?

    Sic transit gloria mundi - ancient Roman proverb

    by kovie on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:00:40 PM PDT

  •  WFT is wrong with Anna Eshoo? (2+ / 0-)

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    Are these people REALLY this stupid?

    •  Or cowardly, or dishonest, or clueless (2+ / 0-)

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      LostInTexas, leonard145b

      Or, yes, stooopid.

      Sic transit gloria mundi - ancient Roman proverb

      by kovie on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:06:42 PM PDT

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      •  Actaully, having thought about it, (0+ / 0-)

        they think WE are the stupid ones. And I have to say based on recent history, they might be right to a degree. However, with the Internet, we can track them and their BS and make it known far and wide.

        "...I did not mean to say that the Conservatives are generally stupid. I meant to say that stupid people are generally Conservative..." - John Stuart Mill

      •  She gave us a clue (1+ / 0-)

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        when she voted Yes on admonishing MoveOn last year.  At the time I thought it was a momentarily lapse, but now I'm seeing a pattern.

        My Karma just ran over your Dogma

        by FoundingFatherDAR on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 06:09:03 PM PDT

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        •  I'm guessing that she's one of the well-meaning (0+ / 0-)

          but ultimately clueless and/or spineless types on our side, in need of some better leadership, and perhaps a little rhetorical slapping around. A lot of them appear to still be stuck in battered Dem autopilot mode, where they live in mortal fear of being made the subject of the next Broder op-ed if they're not spending every waking minute proving their bipartisan cred. The other side is laughing in their face and pushing them around, and all that they can come up with is some bromide about how they're not so bad and why can't we all love each other and get along? Well, I'm all for principled bipartisanship when practicable and/or necessary. But you don't compromise with creeps and criminals, or validate their agenda and motives. You just don't. Someone needs to explain this to dearest Anna.

          Sic transit gloria mundi - ancient Roman proverb

          by kovie on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:42:48 PM PDT

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  •  And no, I'm not opposed to any surveillance (1+ / 0-)

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    program that address real and present threats to the country, so long as one, they ARE real and present threats to the country, two, this surveillance takes place fully within the law and in accordance with the constitution, and three, there is FULL congressional AND judicial oversight of it to make sure that #1 and #2 are always the case, and proper steps are taken when they are not. Believing in and defending the constitution does not mean that you don't want to fully protect your country from any and all actual threats. And vice-versa. Duh.

    Sic transit gloria mundi - ancient Roman proverb

    by kovie on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:05:18 PM PDT

  •  Hmmm. (1+ / 0-)

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    leonard145b

    I work but don't live in her district (actually right now I have no representation in the House). I'm pretty sure that my future Congressional representative, Jackie Speier, won't pull this kind of krap, given that she's California's leading voice for personal privacy rights. Amazing how different to people from practically the same neighborhood from the same party can be on such different pages over issues like this.

    Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass. - Barry Goldwater, 1981

    by Doug in SF on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:10:48 PM PDT

  •  TWO (2) (1+ / 0-)

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    TWO PEOPLE. geez.

    Every good Christian should line up and kick Jerry Falwell's ass. - Barry Goldwater, 1981

    by Doug in SF on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:11:23 PM PDT

  •  Ben Franklin is rolling in his grave (1+ / 0-)

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    wrights

    They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety

    How much is enough, Gordon?

    by SecondComing on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:18:29 PM PDT

  •  Eshoo -slimy on city council & slimy in Congress (0+ / 0-)

    Anna Eshoo was slimy on the Mountain View, CA City Council and quickly started to work her way up the election food chain using lots of dirty tricks.  She maide up endorsements, promised to serve out terms, etc.

    No surprise she is selling out her voting constituents to protect local business interests.

  •  We need to eschew Eshoo. (2+ / 0-)

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    feelingsickinMN, Scubaval

    And she needs a primary challenger badly.

  •  Speaking of..... (2+ / 0-)

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    This was on NPR's Freshair today:

    In 'Bush's Law,' Secret Surveillance Efforts Revealed

    In 2005, The New York Times revealed that the National Security Agency had initiated wiretaps and other forms of surveillance without court orders. It was a story the Bush administration hoped to keep under wraps, says Eric Lichtblau, one of the two reporters who pushed for the publication of the story.

    Lichtblau's new book, Bush's Law: The Remaking of American Justice, details how the administration used the "war on terror" to push for controversial surveillance programs.

    Lichtblau is a Washington correspondent for The New York Times. In 2006, he won a Pulitzer Prize for his coverage of domestic spying.

    This brings up the NPR Player to listen in

    There's an Excerpt of 'Bush's Law' at the site page link.

    •  I have a review coming up on Sunday evening (2+ / 0-)

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      And Mr. Lichtblau has kindly agreed to stop by and liveblog for a little while.

      "There is danger from all men. The only maxim of a free government ought to be to trust no man living with power to endanger the public liberty." - John Adams.

      by mcjoan on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:18:19 PM PDT

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  •  will Mitch get to pick his own cellmate? (0+ / 0-)

    and the color pattern? I hope he gets a cell with a window so he can look out at real Americans carrying on with their daily lives. what a tool for this administration and a cheerleader for the rethuglicans.

  •  Had they not so perfectly executed a GENOCIDE, (1+ / 0-)

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    Scubaval

    TORTURE, VIOLATION OF THE FOURTH AMENDMENT and the GENEVA CONVENTION ACCORDS, and SUSPENSION OF HABEAS CORPUS, I might trust them to do the right thing for the people of our nation.

    But at this moment, at this time and place, I say they are liars, thieves and killers. They are cowards and rascals and NO MORE!

    IMPEACH THEM ALL NOW!!!

    And may God damn them to hell on earth if these completely evil persons disturb us with their authoritarian demands, or if anything happens again on their watch.  

    JANE HARMAN, ARE YOU LISTENING TO THIS VOTER?

    "Home-grown terrorism," my ass.  The subversives trying to overthrow our democracy and turn it into a fascist dictatorship are all in the White House you creep! Trace their movements.

    "The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants." -Thomas Jefferson

    by ezdidit on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:47:04 PM PDT

  •  Any legislation Congress considers on this.. (1+ / 0-)

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    Scubaval

    ..only adds an aura of legitimacy to this administration's criminal activity.

    The much-heralded "courageous" House FISA on telecom immunity is a case in point. It was a meaningless gesture, since the Senate had overwhelmingly voted to grant such immunity; even if the House's version survived the conference sessions, it would be rendered moot by a veto or signing statement.

    Torture, domestic spying, renditions, and the entire array of Bushco.'s extra-Constitutional activity should never be brought up for a posteriori consideration of legality by Congress. These should be investigated and prosecuted.
    "Impeachment is off the table" sent the signal that the Congress collectively doesn't consider these offenses to be serious.

    The Democrats have been accepting the premises of Bush's foreign policy and domestic institutional gutting for years now. Any further legislation just reinforces the idea that this White House has been acting honorably all this time.

    What Congress refuses to do is its job: to be a check on unbridles executive power. Granting license is the default position (not that Bushco. needs it) of a Congress that will not consider using impeachment or the withholding of funds; which would be real acts of political courage.

  •  Please All You Senators and Congress people... (0+ / 0-)

    Just Say NO!! to ANY new FISA legislation, and just let the FISA law as is, stand!!

    ANd while you're at it, PLEASE take the time to state facts that undermine the rethug's false framing!!

    IF that's not clear enough for you... read my signature line!!!

    "A lie repeated, may be accepted as fact, but the truth repeated becomes self evident." -Elonifer Skyhawk

    by Fireshadow on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:55:30 PM PDT

  •  While Mukasey Lies: Terrorist *Software Pirates* (1+ / 0-)

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    Scubaval

    The Mukasey/McConnell tag-team lying fear krewe is also out there today lying about fake terrorist software piracy operations, without even bothering to claim any evidence.

    It is blatantly obvious that the Bush/Cheney regime saw "terrorism" as an excuse to grab the maximum power the country could bear, and then some, to run the country exlusively for the benefit of their corporate cronies. And then to ignore actual terrorism, while committing on the grandest scale all the grave acts that have always made terrorism worse.

    And it should be obvious by now that Democrats, even when in the majority, have just borne it, and often encouraged it by rewarding it.

    Feel safer?

    "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

    by DocGonzo on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 03:56:31 PM PDT

  •  Any Democrat that votes for this (1+ / 0-)

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    Scubaval

    Or encourages this needs to face voters knowing that they've betrayed us.

    And we are their bosses.

    They had fangs...they were drinking blood....They had this look in their eyes, totally animal. I think they were young Republicans. (Buffy the Vampire Slayer)

    by wrights on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:06:26 PM PDT

  •  If anyone thinks that the threat to our freedom.. (0+ / 0-)

    ...Mike McConnell and his ilk represent, let me refresh your memory of an incident that occurred last fall. It will erase any doubts you have that we are already ripe for dictatorship and police state, if not already "picked"(up) and on the way to the concentration camps Halliburton has been building (under the authorization of the John Warner NDAA of 2007) since 2006:

    "Great men do not commit murder. Great nations do not start wars". William Jennings Bryan

    by ImpeachKingBushII on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:31:20 PM PDT

  •  And what's happening to the Iraq NIE? (1+ / 0-)

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    ImpeachKingBushII

    At the direction of Mike McConnell, it's now secret, all of it.  Why?  Because honest people differ?  I think not.  Because the results are not consistent with official administration propaganda? Highly likely. Because reducing the number of people who see the report greatly reduces oversight? Of course.

    And all this illegal spying has led to our ability to recognize that 99% of the Gitmo detainees were innocent? No. That Jose Padilla was not the worst of the worst, conspiring to smuggle a "dirty bomb" into the country?  Uh, no.

    They're correct that we need a professional intelligence community.  The only problem is that the bozos in charge are not professionals in the intelligence community; they're partisan hacks with an agenda, who believe that laws are for the little folks.

    Anna Eshoo needs a timeout. Go stand in the corner until you recognize that you're being used as a pawn by those who believe the exact opposite of what you believe.

  •  I don't think Eshoo's comments are out of line (0+ / 0-)

    For a joint op ed piece of this kind it's pretty balanced.

    You might dispute the wisdom of writing such a joint piece with McConnell, but I think you have to give her points for trying to reach across the aisle. The best congressional leaders do that all the time.

    I'm in Eshoo's district and I think she does a great job. Certainly we should all be reminding her to stand firm against telco amnesty. The prize at the end of line is to get that stripped from the bill. Tuning the law to protect civil liberties will probably have to wait for a new administration and a new congress -- but if we allow them to sweep all the history of wrong-doing away forever with amnesty, we've lost something irretrievable.

    So, I would hope that's Eshoo's intent. I intend to stay on her (politely) to ensure it is.

    "The universe is a sphere whose center is wherever there is intelligence." -Thoreau

    by samizdat on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 04:49:28 PM PDT

  •  Eshew Eshoo (0+ / 0-)

    For a Bay Area congress critter, Eschoo is often on the wrong side of the aisle.

    She needs primary competition.

    Wynton Marsalis:"Blues never lets tragedy have the last word."

    by skywriter on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 05:34:53 PM PDT

  •  lying, spying n dying .. (0+ / 0-)

    the legacy of 50 years of 'conservative' spite

    (a new generation will wash you away)

    This time it's personal.

    by apostrophe on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 05:49:08 PM PDT

  •  Has Eshoo been brainwashed by DiFi??!!! (0+ / 0-)

    Eshoo's my Rep.  I can't believe she's going this route.

    My Karma just ran over your Dogma

    by FoundingFatherDAR on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 06:04:59 PM PDT

  •  re: Retroactive Immunity (0+ / 0-)

    After 10 months of fear mongering on FISA, the Bush Administration is ready to negotiate...on everything but Retroactive Immunity.  While oversight is on the table; Immunity is not, because that is the last remaining cover for Karl Rove and his phishing for political blackmail material.<style="display:none  Does anybody really think that the main proponent of the "The Permanent Republican Majority" didn't get a peek at politically sensitive data? Please>Photobucketread/>http://rawstory. com/news/2008/Bush_backing_down_in_FISA_fight_0401. html

  •  The power of the what, now? (1+ / 0-)

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    Those reports detailed how the government--in direct defiance of a Congressional ban--continued programs to collect massive amounts of data about the phone calls, e-mails, financial records, travel, Internet searches, Internet activity of millions of Americans. In direct defiance of a Congressional ban.

    How's that "power of the purse" thing workin' out for ya? Better than with the Boland Amendment?

    I didn't think so.

  •  Not only the FBI and CIA failed us on 9/11 (0+ / 0-)

    but also NSA, DIA and every other intel org in the DOD.

    The debacle at Pearl Harbor was blamed on US Naval intelligence. They were responsible for gathering any strategic intelligence required to defend the fleet.

    So after the war the politicians got busy, and created the CIA to prevent that kind of intelligence failure from ever happening again.

    But somehow the Navy and every other department in the Pentagon got to continue spending money on their own separate intelligence agencies. Trillions of unaccounted for dollars got sunk into black budgets all over Washington.

    And yet, in spite of all that spending, the CIA was surprised by the rapid fall of the Soviet Union. The U.S.S. Cole and our embassies in Africa were hit without warning. Bin Laden eluded us in Sudan and in Afganistan.

    Then there are the facts about how they (nearly) all failed to "connect the dots" leading up to 9/11.

    A warrant was not required to do surveillance in Eastern Europe or sub Saharan Africa. Neither was one required to accurately transmit an alert to border and airport security agents concerning known terrorists traveling under their real names.

    Finally, the day after the towers came down, they were backpedaling with the excuse that they didn't think  it was their job to defend the continental U.S.

    So you'll excuse me if I'm unsympathetic to the argument that they need expanded powers to gather more information than the flood of data they had leading up to 9/11.

    Whatever else they might be, and whatever purpose they might be advancing, maybe our civilian and military intelligence agencies have, since the Berlin Wall fell, been a monumental waste of money.

    Makes you wonder if, rather talking about whether they need greater surveillance powers, we should make each of them come up to the Hill and justify their continued existence.

    Just a thought.

  •  "...finally close in eight months..."??? (0+ / 0-)

    you must be smoking some very powerful shit... everything that's been put in place to create the fascist police state that we're seeing revealed in crystal-clear detail day-by-horrifying-day will still be in place on 20 january 2009... what in god's name (other than drug-induced euphoria, of course) leads you to believe that the inauguration of a president from the democratic party will magically make all of that go away...?  

    it's way, way past time we started getting really shoe-leather honest... a lot of stuff that the bush administration has so blatantly pushed for and succeeded in establishing has been evolving for a long, long time, and has been moved inexorably forward right up through the aiding and abetting of the clinton presidency... fercryinoutloud, STOP propounding the myth that this upcoming election is going to save us... you're not doing a service to anyone by continuing to peddle such drivel...

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