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Attacking Sadr Means 20 More Years In Iraq

Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:04:28 AM PDT

So Maliki decided to cleanup Basra right ? Our personal Puppet in Iraq made such a big decider move all by himself ? Both Bush and Maliki know the only reason the so-called surge even appeared to look like it worked is because of the cease-fire with Sadr. Now they have pushed him to the limit and if he breaks, all hell will break loose again. Just as good as going in to Iran ?

Probably not good enough for the Neocons, but it will enable them to stay close and bide their time.

BAGHDAD — Iraqi soldiers took control of the last bastions of the cleric Moktada al-Sadr’s militia in Basra on Saturday, and Iran’s ambassador to Baghdad strongly endorsed the Iraqi government’s monthlong military operation against the fighters...

Despite the apparent concession of Basra, Mr. Sadr issued defiant words on Saturday night. In a long statement read from the loudspeakers of his Sadr City Mosque, he threatened to declare "war until liberation" against the government if fighting against his militia forces continued.

Maliki attacks Basra, over a 1000 Iraqis refuse to fight and go home instead. Finally the Americans secure the city, but to what end ? First confusion starts in the first paragraph where it says the Iranian Ambassador was supportive of the fight in Basra against Sadr. Sadr has been living in Iran off and on since this all started, and the claims have been that the Iranians have been supplying him with money, guns and IEDs.

The Maliki government has at least a semireasonable explanation for Basra, but explain the next couple paragraphs to me please.  There are some questions that need answered and yet we can't even turn to some of our so-called experts for fear of lies and spin.

 

"The idea of the government in Basra was to fight outlaws," Mr. Qumi said. "This was the right of the government and the responsibility of the government. And in my opinion the government was able to achieve a positive result in Basra."

Strikingly, however, Ambassador Qumi simultaneously condemned American-led operations against the Mahdi Army in the Shiite enclave of Sadr City, where major new clashes broke out on Saturday. He said the American-backed fighting in that densely populated district was causing only civilian casualties rather than achieving any positive result.

"The American insistence on coming and having a siege on a couple of million people in one area and striking them with warplanes and shelling them randomly — many innocent people will be killed through this operation," Mr. Qumi said. "The result of this operation will be the sabotage and destruction of buildings, and many people will leave their homes."

Remember that Civil War we used to worry about happening ? By invading Sadr City we are guaranteeing it will happen, thereby forcing the next Pres. to stay in Iraq or face ridicule from the Hawks and Neocons. Cheney is still never safe to underestimate it seems. Even one of Cheneys old friends, now in Iraq, Judith Miller is reporting on the strifle in Badr City.

Over tea, Raheem Darraji, Sadr City's mayor, told me that the more than 3 million Shiites in the two districts had been suffering from food and medicine shortages since the government imposed a virtual siege on their neighborhoods in early April. People couldn't get to their jobs or buy food; no vehicles could enter or leave the enclaves, not even ambulances; the only way in or out was on foot. A statement by Iraq's parliamentary committee on human rights called the humanitarian crisis "acute."

By the time the government lifted the vehicular ban in Shula about a week ago and followed suit in Sadr City for a few hours shortly afterward, the prices of food, medicine and other necessities had soared. Bread had tripled in price. Many people remained reluctant to leave their homes, fearful of being caught in a crossfire between roving gangs of young Sadr militiamen and the American-backed Iraqi army. On April 11, Iraqi police said American airstrikes had killed 13 people in Sadr City and that street fighting had claimed nearly 90 lives. Sadr City doctors call this a gross underestimate and claim that the Iraqi army or American support fire killed at least 230 people.

Thus, the United States found itself in the unenviable position of supporting an Iraqi government that was firing on the same long-suffering Shiites whom the invasion five years ago was intended to free. American officials say they had little choice but to back Maliki in his potentially catastrophic campaign: Without American support -- including logistics, artillery fire and airstrikes from Apache helicopters armed with Hellfire missiles -- the Iraqi army most likely would have collapsed in Basra and stalled in Baghdad's Shiite neighborhoods as well.

But several American officers and veteran students of Iraq made clear that they resented having been dragged into, at best, an ill-conceived, poorly planned confrontation and, at worst, an intra-sectarian, strictly Shiite power struggle that threatens to undermine the ostensible progress achieved by President Bush's troop surge.

http://www.latimes.com/...

Rueters is reporting this from Iraq today which should put a exclamation mark on the near future.
 

"If they don't come to their senses and curb the infiltrated militias, then we will declare an open war until liberation."

Sadr's movement accuses other Shi'ite parties of getting their militias into the Iraqi security forces, especially in southern Shi'ite Iraq where various factions are competing for influence in a region home to most of Iraq's oil output.

Sadr launched two uprisings against U.S. forces in 2004.

His movement then entered politics and backed Maliki's rise to power in 2006. But the youthful Sadr split with Maliki, a fellow Shi'ite, a year ago when the prime minister refused to set a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq.

"Do you want a third uprising?" Sadr said, adding that he wanted Iraq's Shi'ite clerical establishment to set a date for the departure of American troops.

In Sadr's Baghdad stronghold of Sadr City, one Mehdi Army commander said he was "thrilled" about the statement.

"We will wait until tomorrow to see the response of the government. Otherwise they will see black days like they have never seen before in their life."

Sadr's threat could not come at a worse time. On Friday, U.S. forces said they had intelligence suggesting Sunni Islamist al Qaeda, pushed out of Baghdad and western Iraq last year, was plotting a return to the capital to stage major bomb attacks.

http://www.rawstory.com/...

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  •   Tipjar (11+ / 0-)

    Either Bush is setting Iraq up for McCain, should he win, or trying to make sure that Obama or HRC will be trapped in Iraq .

    President Theodore Roosevelt,"No man can take part in the torture of a human being without having his own moral nature permanently lowered."

    by SmileySam on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:06:15 AM PDT

  •  No suprise that this all started, (6+ / 0-)

    less than a week after Cheney's last trip to Baghdad and meeting with Maliki.

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    by irate on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:16:15 AM PDT

  •  Maliki is probably making hay while (2+ / 0-)

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    the US is still there. But I wonder who is holding out on the oil contracts in Iraq Gov. Is it the Shiite leaders in the Gov?  If it is, it just may be a play for control. Whatever it is, it is such a shame that the US is bombing inside a city.

    "Though the Mills of the Gods grind slowly,Yet they grind exceeding small."

    by Owllwoman on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:17:51 AM PDT

  •  Bush and GOP are desperate for Iraq 'victory' (3+ / 0-)

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    even if that victory devistates the country, even if that victory is only a fleeting spin job callously timed to be injected into the up coming election cycle, even if that victory has no chance of a permanence.
    Like everything about this imperial occupation and userption of Iraq's natural resource, the media will begin spinning this as proof that something positive is happening. However, the only thing we can be positive about is that the final outcome will be far different than what they say it is.

  •   With the current splits within the Shiites like (4+ / 0-)

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    in this next quote, from another LA Times article of today, any Peace will depend a lot on what happens to Sadr in the next 6 months.

    NAJAF, IRAQ -- Clerics and politicians speak in hushed tones about the names drawn up for assassination. Guards stand outside their compounds clutching assault rifles, and handguns rest on desks. No one can be trusted. All sides fear that dark times are coming to Najaf, the spiritual capital of Iraq's Shiite Muslims.

    "The situation is mysterious," said Sheik Ali Najafi, the son and confidant of Grand Ayatollah Bashir Hussain Najafi, one of the four senior most Shiite clerics in Iraq, who guide the country's majority faith and counsel its politicians. Like elder statesmen, the four have found themselves ensnared in the conflict between the Shiite-led Iraqi government and an upstart young cleric, son of a revered grand ayatollah: Muqtada Sadr....

    On Saturday night, the fears of a broader Shiite conflict loomed larger after Sadr threatened all-out war against the government if it did not halt military operations against his followers in Baghdad and the southern port of Basra.

    http://www.latimes.com/...

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    by SmileySam on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:32:41 AM PDT

  •  asdf (2+ / 0-)

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    Face ridicule from the neocons?  Boo hoo.  Until the damn democrats grow a spine and give the stupid neocons the brush off we will be stuck in perpetual war forever.  Neocons are just typical schoolyard bullies who need big guns and bluster to make them feel like men.

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    by BDA in VA on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:34:37 AM PDT

    •  true,but they have their own Network (0+ / 0-)

      Fox, which will make it hard for whoever wins the White House to bring out country together. If a big and bloody Civil War breaks out, they will beat the drums for us to stay. That wil further divide this country and Iraq both.

      President Theodore Roosevelt,"No man can take part in the torture of a human being without having his own moral nature permanently lowered."

      by SmileySam on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:37:25 AM PDT

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  •  We have demonized Muqtad al-Sadr from the very (4+ / 0-)

    start, because he's for a united Iraq, Sunni/Shia reconciliation, and against the new Oil Law meant to hand Iraqi Oil over to Bush's Big-Oil cronies.
    Now, some will respond by saying that al-Sadr is a thung, and that may well be. But being a thung has never impeded our government from being on great terms with someone - as long as that someone is useful to us.
    In the long-run (as well as the short-run) we're going to be the big losers in Iraq, simply because we don't give (and never have given) a f**ck about Iraq, the Iraqis, their welfare or their wishes. We're about ripping off, and that's why we cultivate puppets.

    We're shocked by a naked nipple, but not by naked aggression.

    by Lepanto on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:37:06 AM PDT

  •  Sadly (3+ / 0-)

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    this is evolving into a civil war, a struggle for political ascendancy between two nationalist groups.

    The pathetic irony is that Iran wins, no matter who loses.

    US forces should not be drawn in, but it seems likely we will.  There's a new nomenclature we will be fighting "outlaws" and "special" groups, likely under the rubric "trained, equipped and directed" by Iran.  

    And America still thinks we are fighting terrorists, "over there".  

    Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

    by Eiron on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:42:38 AM PDT

  •  Showdown on the hill (3+ / 0-)

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    The defense supplemental comes up this week.  The administration is asking for a clean bill, again.
    Growing sentiment amongst repubs for reconstruction loans vs. grants

    Condi in B'dad today.

    Those who hear not the music-think the dancers mad

    by Eiron on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 05:51:31 AM PDT

  •  That's the story the MSM is ignoring (4+ / 0-)

    that MALIKI has triggered this - U.S.-supported militias deliberately provoked and challenged Sadr by attacking Basra - during a cease-fire.

    It was deliberate, and the result will be the "need" for a new surge - or, God help us, a new war.

    Do you suppose Sadr's attacks will be blamed on Iran?

    •  you asked (0+ / 0-)

      Do you suppose Sadr's attacks will be blamed on Iran?

      That is the interesting question. On one hand we have Iran supporting the cleanup of Basra yet on the other, they are a Shia nation for the most part and have been supporting Sadr by all accounts. I'm not sure we will ever know for sure where Iran stands in all this.

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      by SmileySam on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 07:41:17 AM PDT

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  •  So glad to see a diary about Iraq. (1+ / 0-)

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    It's so hard to get accurate information and everybody here at dkos seems so consumed with the horse race of the election. But this is the main story of the day.

    It seems to me that Sadr City is the quagmire inside the quagmire. 2.5 million people - and the only advantage the Iraqi Army has is American air power. But you can't use air power against a city you are supposedly trying to save. Well, you can, but it's going to be counter-productive, because you just massively murder civilians. The Mehdi Army knows the streets and alleys and is embedded with the people.

    Will the world stand by and watch as the American Army starves 2.5 million people? And sprays them with bombs? Or will the street fighters eventually gain the upper hand, fighting block by block for their own survival? Reports on the ground say that American troops holed up in abandoned houses can't even tell who's shooting at them or who they are supposed to be fighting. Occasionally, firepower is called in from the air and whole neighborhoods are destroyed. This only pisses off the populace and pushes them further into the arms of the streetfighters. What is the endgame? Genocide?

    This thing just spirals down and down. And the news media and the American people respond by simply turning their heads. Thanks for posting about it. At least some of us still want to piece together what the hell is happening in our names.

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    by CheeseMoose on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 06:50:15 AM PDT

  •  We seem to (3+ / 0-)

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    be in a somewhat similar position as with Israel..ie. the decisions made by Maliki and the Israeliis on clashing with their enemies makes us responsible for the consequences.

    This position sucks. Now,maybe Cheney is calling the shots for Maliki, and so we are in control..but in the end it does not matter, we will get blamed.

    We have become the personal milita for maliki it seems. This is an untenable situation for our military to be placed in..

    I am no fan of Sadr but nor am I enamored with Maliki or Hakim.
    My son,who is in Bagdad, has said that they have been told for awhile that they should prepare for a very ''hot'' summer in terms of engagement with opposition. So it probably is all part of the Cheney gameplan...goshdarn chickenhawk notherhucker.

    •   I will add your son to my list of those I think (0+ / 0-)

      about on a daily basis. I  look forward to the day you write a diary on his homecoming.

      President Theodore Roosevelt,"No man can take part in the torture of a human being without having his own moral nature permanently lowered."

      by SmileySam on Sun Apr 20, 2008 at 07:44:50 AM PDT

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