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Legal Options to Restore a Crumbling Constitution

Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 08:59:06 AM PDT

Our enemies didn't adhere to the Geneva Convention. Many of my comrades were subjected to very cruel, very inhumane and degrading treatment, a few of them even unto death. But every one of us -- every single one of us -- knew and took great strength from the belief that we were different from our enemies, that we were better than them, that we, if the roles were reversed, would not disgrace ourselves by committing or countenancing such mistreatment of them. - John McCain, Republican US Senator

Shamefully we now learn that Saddam's torture chambers reopened under new management, U.S. management. - Edward Kennedy, Democratic US Senator

The debate here isn't only how to protect the country. It's how to protect our values.

If cruelty is no longer declared unlawful, but instead is applied as a matter of policy, it alters the fundamental relationship of man to government. It destroys the whole notion of individual rights. The Constitution recognizes that man has an inherent right, not bestowed by the state or laws, to personal dignity, including the right to be free of cruelty. It applies to all human beings, not just in America -- even those designated as 'unlawful enemy combatants.' If you make this exception the whole Constitution crumbles. - Alberto J. Mora, former Navy General Counsel (2006)

In a country that - once anyway - prided itself as being governed by law I find it hard to believe that no indictments have been brought in for Bush administration personnel on charges of torture.

One legal avenue for that was removed when soon to be elected Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi took it off the table. The impeachable offenses would have included misleading the nation about weapons of mass destruction and violating federal law by approving warrantless wiretaps on Americans. Torture wasn’t on the list at the time, but one assumes that if hearings on impeachment had begun in the House, it would have been added to the list.

There was no little hypocrisy in finding only a couple of lower level soldiers guilty for the treatment of prisoners at Abu Ghraib when the techniques used there had been discussed and approved at the highest levels of the Bush administration. The standard reply by the administration was that they didn’t sanction torture. How many times did you hear the President and other members of his cabinet recite the mantra, "We do not torture"? John Yoo did all kinds of legal contortions in a couple of memos to say that what was torture wasn’t, and that the administration wasn't culpable even if it was torture.

What the administration called "enhanced interrogation" methods are indistinguishable from the original directive by Gestapo chief Heinrich Müller in 1937, "Verschärfte Vernehmung,"  methods that were deemed by our Allies in Norway in 1948 adequate to convict three Germans for war crimes.

When it was revealed two weeks ago that the methods of torture were approved at the highest levels of the Bush administration, and then confirmed by Bush himself that he authorized the discussions, how could American citizens rationalize officially sanctioned torture?  

The revelations have sparked some response. The ACLU has called for the appointment of an independent prosecutor and others have called for the resignation of then head of the National Security Council, Condoleezza Rice. There have begun to be some rumblings in the legal community. Spencer Ackerman’s article (April 18, 2008) in The Washington Independent reports:

With nine months remaining in President George W. Bush's term, virtually no legal analyst expects that anyone in his administration will face indictment and prosecution in connection with the torture of terrorism detainees. However, a new admission from Bush last week has some legal analysts contending that the case for such prosecution has gotten significantly stronger.

Ackerman queried several legal scholars. According to Erwin Chemerinsky, a civil liberties expert at Duke University,

This disclosure presents a nested series of legal implications. "I predict that there will be calls for top administration officials to be prosecuted in an international court for war crimes. This meeting supports the involvement of top officials -- including the president -- in approving torture."

Aziz Huq, director of the Liberty and National Security Project at New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice, agrees:

"If you, as an individual, order such conduct, you're culpable under the aiding-and-abetting provision of federal law. There is at least a colorable theory, a credible case, for federal criminal liability here."

A former lawyer in the Justice Department’s Office of Legal Council who teaches law at Georgetown University, Martin S. Lederman, said

"In my view this is all patently illegal on many different grounds -- particularly as a violation of Common Article 3" (of the Geneva conventions). But as a practical matter, there's little likelihood of any legal exposure -- and virtually none of domestic federal prosecution, because the president and DOJ concluded it was legal."

So, let me be clear about this: this was illegal on many different grounds, but no likelihood of prosecution "because the president and DOJ concluded it was legal." That is what he said, didn’t he?

The investigative report in The Washington Independent says that the chain of events leading from Rice’s panel to the CIA’s use of the methods is not known and, regardless of the likelihood that Bush will never face charges, "knowing that is essential." Caroline Fredrickson, director of the Washington legislative office of the ACLU concurs:

"He has his fingerprints on torture, but did he grip the whole thing? The real question is, what level of decision-making was the president involved in?"

Other legal scholars do not see it the same way. Douglas Kmiec, a conservative law professor at Pepperdine University, contends that the statutes in question are too vague, and the facts of the matter too obscure, to congeal into an actual case against the president.

"The whole difficulty in this area is the level of generality that exists in the international agreements that the U.S. has participated in and the manner in which those were ratified by the United States -- obviously, particularly with the Convention Against Torture, but where the slippage is, in terms of legal analysis, comes with what those words mean in terms of domestic law. If I've understood matters correctly, we've tried to understand [the convention] in terms of our own Bill of Rights and the 'shock-the-conscience' standard -- which is a standard that's far from self-evident."

It seems clear from Bush’s admission that he will not bring charges against anyone in his administration, which raises another question. Huq says,

"No one in the executive branch is free of the taint of involvement with the 2002 interrogations. Tthe whole idea of the executive branch immunizing itself becomes much more worrying than in other cases. It's really the right hand absolving the left hand of what's been done."

Fredrickson proposes a commission modeled after the Church and Pike inquires of the 1970s that "revealed massive and systemic illegality within the intelligence services."

"It's a great model because it was really the mechanism for bringing lot of illegality -- not just by the Nixon administration but prior administrations -- to light. That might be more appropriate, to use a wider lens, because panorama of illegality is quite broad."

Kmiec said he could conditionally support such a commission, provided it didn't degenerate into a partisan witch-hunt.

"If the commission would advance the understanding of the U.S. as to its obligations, and demonstrate to the world our seriousness of purpose, then it's a good idea. If the purpose of the commission is just a surrogate way of establishing a special-counsel investigation into the actions of the sitting president and vice president, then I think it is likely to degenerate into partisan bickering and not accomplish very much. Much would depend on the objective of the commission and its composition."

After all of the discussion of legal options, the report concludes with its assessment that the likelihood of retributive measures against the Bush administration for torture remains remote.

Huq observed that the "political appetite for that is nil," since "an excessive of zeal for prosecuting national-security activities, historically, hasn't happened."

Huq’s hope is for legislation requiring the videotaping of all terrorism interrogations. A measure introduced by Rep. Rush Holt (D-NJ) has been introduced, but has no schedule for a mark-up.

Kmiec said that the ultimate arbitration of the torture debate will occur at the polls.

"The way our constitutional system envisions accountability on questions such as this is accountability through electoral choice," he said. The president made his choice. The people will now make theirs."

Last Wednesday, Attytood of The Huffington Post reported on an interview that day with Obama. He asked him whether or not an Obama Justice Department "would aggressively go after and investigate whether crimes have been committed."

Here's his answer, in its entirety:

"What I would want to do is to have my Justice Department and my Attorney General immediately review the information that's already there and to find out are there inquiries that need to be pursued. I can't prejudge that because we don't have access to all the material right now. I think that you are right, if crimes have been committed, they should be investigated. You're also right that I would not want my first term consumed by what was perceived on the part of Republicans as a partisan witch hunt because I think we've got too many problems we've got to solve.

So this is an area where I would want to exercise judgment -- I would want to find out directly from my Attorney General -- having pursued, having looked at what's out there right now -- are there possibilities of genuine crimes as opposed to really bad policies. And I think it's important—one of the things we've got to figure out in our political culture generally is distinguishing between really dumb policies and policies that rise to the level of criminal activity. You know, I often get questions about impeachment at town hall meetings and I've said that is not something I think would be fruitful to pursue because I think that impeachment is something that should be reserved for exceptional circumstances. Now, if I found out that there were high officials who knowingly, consciously broke existing laws, engaged in cover-ups of those crimes with knowledge forefront, then I think a basic principle of our Constitution is nobody above the law -- and I think that's roughly how I would look at it."

I believe that an Obama Attorney General will review the inquiries that need to be pursued. The next step will be the most difficult: deciding whether or not to bring criminal charges against a retired president and members of his administration. Concern that his first term not be consumed by this issue is legitimate because of other important problems to solve; but it is basically the same reason Pelosi took impeachment off the table.  

If Fredrickson’s proposed investigative commission, Huq’s advocacy for legislation on videotaping, and Kmiec’s electoral choice are our only real options, then I certainly opt for all three. While each is called for, I think that none of them, or promises by Obama, Clinton or McCain that such practices will not be tolerated on their watches, will send a sufficiently clear statement to the nation and the world that we are serious about changing this broad "panorama of illegality." A decision made in a court of law after a fair review of the evidence and a judgment requiring real world consequences is, however imperfect, the American way of meting out justice. Will the absence of such a decision make it harder for the nation to restore its crumbling Constitution?

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  •  A fine diary - recommended! (7+ / 0-)

    I think what would help is to have the Democratic National Convention call for such prosecutions to commence, and to begin Impeachment proceedings against Bush and Cheney (even if it is likely that they could not be completed before these slimeballs left office).

  •  thanks (10+ / 0-)

    for posting this. You mention some really good points.

    However, can I ask you (not attackingly): do you agree with Obama that the situation we are in now RE the Bush administration is NOT "exceptional"? That is what he implies. I rather think that we ARE in an exceptional situation; this is precisely the kind of situation impeachment was designed for. Bush has all but become a de facto dictator and the executive now claims to trump the other branches of government. (We have also become a nation that uses torture routinely. There seems something exceptional in that to me.) Impeachment is the one way we can restore the balance of power between the branches.

    It is also curious that he doesn't seem to acknowledge that many of the admitted activities of the Bush administration have been confirmed as illegal (wiretapping, anyone?) rather than as merely "bad policies." In general I would agree with his caution here, but in this case there is undisputed evidence of crime.

    I do very much agree that all three candidates should make clear ASAP that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated by them if they are elected. Unfortunately McCain, despite his own experience and his rhetoric, has failed so far to stand up for human rights in any meaningful way.

    I think the point at the beginning that a policy of torture in itself undermines the very foundations of the Constitution itself is extremely important, and not brought up nearly enough - good on you there.

    Tiberius to the Roman Senate upon their assurance that they would pass whatever laws he liked: "How eager you all are to be slaves."

    by StudentThinker on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:37:07 AM PDT

    •  Thanks. I was also a bit puzzled by (5+ / 0-)

      Obama's response. I agree with you that there are numerous activities of the Bush administration confirmed as illegal, not simply bad policies. I'm trying to understand his caution, but with the Bush administration we have issues for which the impeachment process was designed. I would like to see impeachment hearings begin in the House now.

      •  ok (1+ / 0-)

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        I just couldn't tell from the diary. Definitely agree now. Thanks for understanding that I wasn't going after you, also.

        Tiberius to the Roman Senate upon their assurance that they would pass whatever laws he liked: "How eager you all are to be slaves."

        by StudentThinker on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 03:00:06 PM PDT

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      •  Obama's caution (2+ / 0-)

        comes from the fact that he doesn't want to get the Howard Dean treatment or worse and lose the election.  He said exactly what he need to say to keep our hopes up about prosecution while letting the Dick Cheneys and Rupert Murdochs of the world know that he's not serious about it.  If what Bush administration officials have done to date doesn't merit impeachment now, according to Obama's criteria, then how could they possibly merit prosecution later?  He is denying known reality in order to thread that needle.  The dissonance is driving me nuts too.

        It's going to take mass pressure on the scale of the Civil Rights Movement to force him to do it.

        Prosecutions would be very healthy for our democracy and for keeping these particular villains from clawing their way back into power again — Cheney and Rumsfeld are after all old Nixon hands.  But impeachment really is the correct initial response to these crimes of office.  After the executive branch crimes, the second failure is that of Congresspeople willingly shoveling their powers and responsibilities over to the President/VP.  Congress approved of this awful stuff explicitly or let the transgressions slide by not impeaching when they first came to light.  We impeachment advocates are essentially demanding that Congress impeach itself first.

        In the 1990s the Supreme Court decided, correctly, that the "line-item veto" was unconstitutional because Congress could not hand off its rightful responsibility to write legislation to the President.  Likewise, while it has never been adjudicated (in the Watada case, the courts have gone to great lengths to avoid it), the "Authorization for the Use of Military Force" is unconstitutional because it gives the President final say over whether to go to war, when that's a responsibility that the Constitution explicitly assigns to Congress.  But Congresspeople are all to happy to let themselves off the hook.  It seems to me a mortal flaw in the Constitutional framework.  And then the press and citizenry let them get away from it, of course, which is the ultimate failing.

        Way past time we started creating our own reality.

        Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

        by Simplify on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 11:14:52 PM PDT

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  •  This deserves serious discission (8+ / 0-)

    If we as a nation don't seriously examine what happened here, and hold those accountable who have undermined the Constitution and the nation's credibility, then the perpetrators and their allies will regroup and attempt to return to power and continue their course in the future.

    They would probably succeed, and it would probably beeven worse next time, as the perpetrators will have learned from their tactical mistakes.  

    Criminal conviction may be appropriate in some cases. Public exposure of how far wrong the country has gone, and who has been resposible, is even more important.

  •  The Military Commission Act gave almost everybody (3+ / 0-)

    immunity.

    The lawyers and electeds also probably had immunity even before then.

    Prosecutions for cover ups or perjury, a la Scooter Libby, maybe.  Prosecutions for the acts themselves -- not happening.

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities" -- Voltaire

    by ohwilleke on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:49:21 AM PDT

    •  That's the consensus of the legal scholars (2+ / 0-)

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      I have read. Sad! Maybe the investigative commission is the next best hope.

    •  Not Immune (3+ / 0-)

      I don't believe that any federal act can give these people immunity from crimes against humanity or violations of the Constitution. In order to do the latter you'd have to have a constitutional amendment.

      Of course, you can get scholars that will tell you otherwise, but that means nothing. The President got someone to give him the legal opinion that it was okay to torture people. Do you think that makes it legal?

      So, no the MCA didn't give them immunity and there isn't any act of Congress or Presidential action that could do so. The President could pardon people for some of these crimes, but even he couldn't pardon them for violating the Fourth Amendment (IMO) because it is part of the Constitution. No action of anyone in the government can violate the Constitution because it is a higher law.

      •  Besides which, I don't believe that (2+ / 0-)

        a preemptive pardon is legitimate.  A pardon is for a specific person after conviction for a specific crime.  Ford didn't pardon Nixon; he just signed a piece of paper.  It's just that many powerful people ran around acting as though the "pardon" was valid.

        Bush could sign a piece of paper saying the earth is flat, and the politicians, press, and punditocracy would do backflips to agree with him, but that doesn't make it so.  Other than in the "might makes right" sense, that is.

        Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

        by Simplify on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 11:19:45 PM PDT

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      •  Your both right (I believe) (1+ / 0-)

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        The MCA gives them immunity for actions done from Sep 11, 2001 to Dec 30, 2005.  A US case could argue that that provision of the MCA is unconstitutional and an Obama DOJ may not fight that.  Also an Obama DOJ or commission, can also, in the name of transparency, release documents from the DOJ.  Those can then be used by any other country.  The existence of immunity makes this case available for other countries to pick up, according to international law.

        I believe that the case is already being drawn up here in Britain.

        I do like the idea of a commission in order to figure out what we need to do to make sure this doesn't happen again.

        Also, it looks like torture was done both before the Yoo/Bybee memo and after it was removed as DOJ's argument, so the existence of those memos doesn't really mean anything.

  •  Thank you for the time and effort involved in (6+ / 0-)

    writing this diary.  This should be discussed daily on the msm.  However, It seems that there is no interest at present in preserving the Constitution.  It is so frustrating to listen to the nonsense that is spewed from the mouths of such people as Tim Russert, Wolf Blitzer, and on and on and on.

    Keith Olbermann appears to be a lighthouse beacon flashing while the rest of the msm guides the Country onto the rocks.

  •  What I find very odd is that it seems that the (5+ / 0-)

    very law granting the immunity to prosecution is itself illegal, unless I am reading the Constitution wrong:

    Article I, Section 9:

    ...
    No bill of attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.

    So it would seem that a law retroactively declaring something legal, would not work, if challenged.  Look what happened in Georgia, with that kid who was left in jail for getting oral sex from someone more than 2 years younger than him, even AFTER the class of that crime was changed so it would carry a lighter sentence (which he had already served at that point).

    The only thing that can save your ass if you've broken the law is a pardon.  Congress can't legislate your crimes out of existence.

    Of course, I could be very wrong on this, as I'm in no way a constitutional lawyer.  I'm simply a humble  (and rather angry) engineer.

    Carry the battle to them. Don't let them bring it to you. Put them on the defensive and don't ever apologize for anything. -Harry S. Truman

    by Shadowmage36 on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 09:18:47 PM PDT

    •  ex post facto only applies (3+ / 0-)

      to laws that are harsher, not more lenient.  Glenn Greenwald in a comment on his own blog last September said:

      Ex post facto

      The Constitution only bans laws which render illegal acts which, at the time they were undertaken, were legal. It doesn't prohibit laws that do the opposite.

      There's a very good reason for this:  if Congress repealed an unjust law, you wouldn't want the feds prosecuting a person who did the act in question prior to the repeal.

      Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

      by Simplify on Mon Apr 21, 2008 at 11:24:18 PM PDT

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    •  Let's hear from a constitutional lawyer. Thanks! (0+ / 0-)

  •  The Other Option (2+ / 0-)

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    It's painfully obvious by now that no one in the federal government has the slightest inclination in holding these people accountable for their criminal actions. I think there are a couple of reasons why this is true, but the choice is to let it go or slowly work to pressure them into acting.

    Reasons (legitimate and not so legitimate) why our politicians haven't acted include:

    (1) No one wants to undermine the Presidency when we have troops in the field, whatever the costs.

    (2) The government is beholden to a small set of special interests who would prefer to control the country than to let it go back to a real democracy.

    Neither of these is in our best interests, but unless we are willing to organize our efforts and overcome these forces then we will lose Western democracy permanently.

    We can force the issue by pushing through enough legislators in Congress who believe in this issue that we can then get a clear majority vote to hold a trial. But this seems like a very uphill battle against odds rigged against us. To do this, we'd have to fight the usual political battles against entrenched interests in fixed piece battles where we have to storm the ramparts through killing fields that have been planted and improved for two centuries.

    But that's not our only legal option (again, in my opinion). I think we can constitute our own legal mechanism outside the federal government to try, convict, sentence and, if it should come to that, punish the offenders.

    I call this "civil tribunals" because this is a civil mechanism to put together tribunals where public officials are held to account.

    You would immediately object that this is illegal, because it's outside the established legal mechanisms. You would immediately object that these wouldn't be legitimate and wouldn't have the backing of the American people.

    Well, it would take some work but both of these objections could be overcome. And, in the end, having Bush tried by a civil tribunal isn't necessary so long as it forces the normal federal judicial mechanisms to take their course. That's the point, anyway. If he had to stand trial in federal court for violating federal law (and the Constitution), and that trial were fairly done, with whatever outcome (presumably conviction on many, many counts), then that would be sufficient justice.

    But to get there we might have to shock the current crop of politicians out of their shells, worrying them that they, too, might end up in the dock. And the way to do that is to carefully, systematically, and inevitably put together civil tribunals to put to trial anyone in the government who violated the Constitution (or committed crimes against humanity) with the threat of a criminal conviction and punitive measures (imprisonment, fines or even the death penalty).

    What would give civil tribunals legal force? The same thing that gave the Constitution legal force. It has to be done by an action of the people. To do that, the people would have to set up conventions in all the states and hold elections to impanel delegates. These conventions would then set the rules and set up funding for the tribunals. Acting through this mechanism, which has unassailable legal precedent (because it gave force to the Constitution, which obviously has legal force), the tribunals would be legal and have the same force as any other federal mechanism.

    The act of convincing enough people to hold conventions and set up the tribunals would make them legitimate. It would show that they had the backing of the American people.

    But this is all a mental exercise because in no case would the current government allow this kind of challenge to its legitimacy. That would mean that if enough people backed the civil tribunals there could only be one outcome. That outcome would be that the federal system would get its act together and put these people on trial.

    I don't know if there are sufficient people in this country who care enough about democracy to take action. But I think the alternative at this point is clear. We'll lose Western democracy altogether. Without a concerted effort to hold these people accountable for subverting the government and acting outside the law there is no way to support the experiment we've all become accustomed to, that two-hundred-year-old experiment of giving legitimacy to action through the ballot box and holding everyone without exception accountable to the law.

    If we are to push trials into reality then we have to set a deadline. I would suggest the end of 2009 as the sensible deadline. If trials haven't begun before then we should be well on our way to finding locations to hold fifty state conventions.

    I can guarantee you that this isn't on the radar screen of our opponents. They think that they've stacked the courts, infiltrated the media, taken over the executive and neutered the Congress, so they probably think they are invulnerable.

    That's why we need to walk in the back door.

  •  Thank You (1+ / 0-)

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    A well-written diary on a critical issue. Without supporting the Constitution, pretty much all the other issues are unsupportable.

  •  Bush can pardon (1+ / 0-)

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    Bush can pardon preemptively those who committed crimes under the guise of working for the administration, prior to even charges being filed.

    The text of Ford's pardon is illustrative.

    Now, THEREFORE, I, GERALD R. FORD, President of the United States, pursuant to the pardon power conferred upon me by Article II, Section 2, of the Constitution, have granted and by these presents do grant a full, free, and absolute pardon unto Richard Nixon for all offenses against the United States which he, Richard Nixon, has committed or may have committed or taken part in during the period from January 20, 1969 through August 9,1974.

    There is a current White House employee who was pardoned by Bush I for his role in the Iran Contra.

    The only way to stop pardons is to impeach the President. That prevents the President from pardoning those with whom he was complicit in acting to commit crimes.

    Based on Bush's actions, he isn't afraid of Congress and will probably start pardoning people like a mad dog after the election because to do so before the election might doom McCain's chances of being elected.

  •  Please elect a Constitutional Law expert in 08 nt (1+ / 0-)

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    Politics is like driving. To go backward, put it in R. To go forward, put it in D.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 05:23:34 AM PDT

  •  Thanks to all of you who responded! (0+ / 0-)

    Part of my sadness and anger is that so few of our citizens to care at all about this matter. The people like this that I know love our country. So why are they so timid? Some simply cannot bring themselves to admit that their government is capable of such acts (remember the pre-impeachment days of Richard Nixon). Some simply feel powerless. I am grateful for you who are angry enough to care.

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