Results Thread #16

96% precincts reporting.

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Obama    45     46

Here's a contest for the comments: what's the nuttiest spin you've seen from your TV, tonight? Note we're not making this a drinking game, for obvious reasons...

•  Not Watching TV

  Why would I subject myself to that?

  by Dotty Gale on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:16:02 PM PDT

  •  me either

    No reception, and absolutely NO desire to fix that until after August...

    by sccs on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:16:37 PM PDT

    •  Yup, me too; not one second of talking

      heads or pundits or blithering idiots.  While I'm disappointed in the results, I don't feel like kicking in my TV set.

      by PittsburghPete on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:17:25 PM PDT

      •  Truly encouraging how many of us political ..

        ...junkies just refused to watch the pundithugs tonight.

        by Meteor Blades on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:18:32 PM PDT

        •  Two words. On Demand.

          We found something much more wholesome for our girl to watch.

          Yeah, CSI.

          by Moody Loner on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:22:13 PM PDT

        •  heres another one...

          as much as I love Olbermann I can't take the fools around him.  Chris Matthews has become unbearable.  And the commercials.  I'm just so sick of those phonies.  T.V. news viewers are literally dying off.  You couldn't pay me to listen to Joe Scar or Pat Buchanan.

          by dehydratedcracker on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:26:30 PM PDT

        •  I was foiled. Just when I went to "un-mute"

          the TV for Obama, my son from FSU called and I missed his entire rally.  It's back on "mute"   :)

          by mjd in florida on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:28:30 PM PDT

        •  I have a flat screen in front of me at work...

          If only i could find a channel that just gave me the results instead of Pat buchanans's racism and spin.  And that's on the best of the three.  Cable news sucks.  
          I'm a print journalism major.  These channels will ensure that my medium never dies.

          by dvschase on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:28:30 PM PDT

          •  Print journalism, eh? You ARE brave ...

            ...I was 30+ years in print journalism, and I gotta say: moribund. But good luck anyway.

            by Meteor Blades on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:42:58 PM PDT

          •  Print Journalism

            These channels will ensure that my medium never dies.

            Isn't the Internet trying to do its best to make sure that print journalism does die, though? ;-)

            by WayneNight on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:44:23 PM PDT

            •  It is trying...damn internet...

              But I think after everything shakes out the internet could help print journalism because people need things to read online.  
               :-)

              by dvschase on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:21:08 PM PDT

          •  Get out. Now. While you still can.

            I will admit, I have had fun in my 12 years in the newspaper field, but the field is dying.

            Advice: Don't work for a corporate newspaper.

            by greggle on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:58:05 PM PDT

            •  i dont know what else i would do n/t

              by dvschase on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 04:00:17 AM PDT

        •  This May Sound Arrogant But,

          I really believe we know more about politics than most of the talking heads. Once you get past Keith, Rachael, Eugene Robinson, Bill Moyers and a very few other TV commentators, it's that proverbial "Vast Waste Land" of the boob tube and the boob tube viewers.

          by mcartri on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:50:42 PM PDT

        •  Just can't listen to stupidity forever.

          I'd rather watch re-runs of Hannah Montana with the kids again.....and again....and again.

          by The Fonging on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:54:08 PM PDT

      •  ABC/FOX/MSNBC/CNN

        Not telling the real story.

        Obama's candidacy has stunned all the cynics.

        by GoogleBonhoeffer on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:18:52 PM PDT

        •  the problem is they are telling A story

          and people are listening

          by mishte on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:23:27 PM PDT

          •  They still think Hillary has a chance, true

            But they're more concerned about removing the Republicans from power.  Memories of Bill are strong IMHO.

            by GoogleBonhoeffer on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:24:52 PM PDT

            •  They don't think she stands a chance...

              ...against McCain, which is why they're backing her, hard.

              by khereva on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:40:53 PM PDT

          •  They are already predicting for IN

            I heard atleast 4 talking heads say that HRC will ultimately win Indiana as she cannot afford to loose 2 out of 2 on May 6th so in order for her to make a claim with the supers the argument is that she has to win IN and the comon consensus is that she will win IN. This is pretty depressing. A candidate that decides to use the GOP Play book prevails and the MSM and talking heads like that story. I'm ashamed of being a part of this party today.

            by Denversk on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:29:48 PM PDT

            •  Indiana?! You must be joking? n/t

              by Nebraska Outsider on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:36:38 PM PDT

        •  Didn't know Hillary was breast-feeding Matthews

          ...that's the only explanation for his behavior.

          by Celtic Diva on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:40:22 PM PDT

          •  I am so sick of hearing Matthews talk about being

            from PA.  If he said it once, he said it a thousand times. And how he knew the electorate and how special and different it is.  Good god, he needs to shut up.

            And his sudden adoration of Hillary and negativity of Obama really seemed like border line bi-polar.  

            by siobhanoc on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:46:01 PM PDT

            •  That's the truth.

              I'm sick of people I know saying that he is always pro-Hillary.  You hit the nail on the head.  He's suffering from mood swings.

              by alliedoc on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:48:02 PM PDT

              •  His brain never vets his thoughts

                before they emerge from his massive head.

                by Dale on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:55:10 PM PDT

      •  Me three...have some mojo ;-) n/t

        by Soundpolitic on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:25:27 PM PDT

      •  Anyone notice how much FOX LOVES Hil???

        Is up down?!  WTF has she done???!!!

        by Nebraska Outsider on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:35:30 PM PDT

        •  Given them their only shot at a McCain presidency

          of course.

          by khereva on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:41:43 PM PDT

    •  Yeah I don't blame you

      I just had to turn it off.  So so sick of these pundits trying to claim there's an actual contest going on here. I just posted a diary on this:

      http://www.dailykos.com/...

      Basically the gist of my point is that this is all an artifact of scheduling.  If Texas, Pennsylvania and Ohio happened on Super Tuesday there'd be no talk of momentum.  Obama would have run the board for the last several weeks and it would be game over.  

      Yet the pundits go on, blathering about Hillary coming back and how this is somehow a change.  Please wake me up when the insanity is over.

      by sterno on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:19:09 PM PDT

  •  me, three

    honestly, I can't imagine anything more masochistic than watching Joe or Tweety or Wolf or any of those asswipes waxing poetic about the "comeback kid."

    (I'm just guessing, here...)

    by Dem in the heart of Texas on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:18:26 PM PDT

    •  Indeed

      I love KeithO, and Rachel Maddow, but I have to sit through Tweety and Buchanan to get them.  It's some kind of sick torture :)

      by sterno on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:20:18 PM PDT

      •  Be grateful for small mercies:

        now you don't have to sit through Tucker Carlson to hear them. :-)

        by Dale on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:56:18 PM PDT

    •  I thought it was product placement

      by Abercrombie & Fitch. Every one of 'em.

      by not a cent on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:20:39 PM PDT

    •  How can she come back?

      She was never behind in PA...

      Gah!

      by sccs on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:21:36 PM PDT

      •  there you go, being all informed and such.

        naughty, naughty, NAUGHTY citizen.

        by khereva on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:42:26 PM PDT

        •  It's what happens when you give up on tee-vee

          You start reading sites like "the Daily Kos" and get all informed.

          Bad, naughty, evil citizen, indeed.  :)

          by sccs on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:45:51 PM PDT

  •  nor did I for some reason

    perhaps because I preferred the sanity of some good music as I stayed in touch online, with cats cuddling and a breeze blowing through the screen door

    by teacherken on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:19:33 PM PDT

  •  What tv?

    TV makes you stupid. I avoid them like the plague.

    by sja on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:23:35 PM PDT

    •  There Were No TV's During The Black Plague

      Explain that. See, I watch TV and I'm not stew-pid.

      by mcartri on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:59:01 PM PDT

  •  Well, I am...

    but it's the Mariners playing the Orioles.

    Tied at 2-2 in the bottom of the 8th.

    by Elvis Vader on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:26:34 PM PDT

    •  The Mariners

      will break your heart.

      Every time.

      by aztecraingod on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:37:42 PM PDT

      •  hey-

        so will listening to your candidate's tagline getting mangled! (yes we will?! no ya won't! we already did!)

        si se puede!

        by T B J on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:44:47 PM PDT

•  I avoided them

  I just had to avoid them. No TV. Couldn't do it.

  by IsraelHand on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:16:10 PM PDT

  •  I avoided the TV

    but I listened to Hillary on the radio spinning circles in her celebration speech.

    The nuttiest thing I heard all night was that if Hillary is elected President, we're going to cure autism.

    by native son on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:33:23 PM PDT

    •  i'd rather have

      doug flutie in the white house if we're takin' that route.

      si se puede!

      by T B J on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:45:37 PM PDT

    •  Damne it. You'll never see this again but

      autism?  How?  What?

      by alliedoc on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:51:28 PM PDT

•  Anything out of Tweety's mouth

  by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:16:17 PM PDT

  •  if I have to hear

    about Philly one more time...

    by Jeffersonian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:20:48 PM PDT

  •  He just said

    That Hill seems more "middle class" the more she fought for the nomination, more like a woman from the neighborhood. (paraphrasing here)
    Seriously Tweety?
    Middle Class?

    by vintagejulie on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:24:03 PM PDT

    •  When

      was the last time Tweety knew what middle class was?

      Actually when was the last time that America had a middle class...

      by Jeffersonian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:28:09 PM PDT

    •  Tweety is always blathering about...

      the "regular people"!!! Who the hell are all these "regular people"?

      Do they eat lot of prunes? Is that why we have this endless mess called the democratic primaries??? Is it???

      I AM OVER THESE "REGULAR PEOPLE"

      I am sick of hearing about them and their beer drinking and gun toting and church going and bowling and mundane miserable life.

      Hell if I had to employ these folks I might move my corporation offshore as well.

      Am I bitter? F#*K yeah.

      Seems they can't see it's over and finish this mess.

      ARGH.

      (sorry for the rant)

      by Seattlite on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:37:34 PM PDT

  •  Yeah, When He Signed Off

    I think he said something like:

    "Keep watching in the coming weeks to see if Obama can still win this thing"

    Gee Chris, nice of you not to count Barack completely out.

    Unbelieveable!

    by Doctor Who on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:24:37 PM PDT

    •  Isn't this the same guy

      who a few hours ago was saying Hillary had no chance, and the media were keeping her in it?

      See, I knew he was full of shit.

      by Muzikal203 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:28:14 PM PDT

      •  That's the part I saw

        I should have known that wouldn't last.

        by Sagebrush Bob on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:36:23 PM PDT

    •  the first two words

      is why they are doing this...

      "Keep watching"
      They will make it seem close as long as people keep watching.

      But I have to say, it felt good to be in PA the past two days (two weeks for that matter).  I've had the most amazing conversations about politics with people on the street, at my work, at college, and resturants.  People are paying attention, republican, democrats, young, old....
      At night clubs....
      Its been exciting.  And people know policy too.  

      Yet on cable tv they say dub shit like "Whites in PA won't vote for a black" it drives me crazy.  Whatever happened to REPORTERS?  why only pundits?  

      by dvschase on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:36:44 PM PDT

  •  I was surprised by Tweety

    He was actually decent tonight - at least what I saw of him.

    by Sagebrush Bob on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:27:12 PM PDT

    •  I swear he is like a child.. n/t

      by audiored on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:34:16 PM PDT

•  Where are we on Chester?

  Yes those are straws you see my hand grasping for...

  by HKHeadhunter on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:16:34 PM PDT

  •  56% reporting at 12:21 AM. n/t

    by Yamaneko2 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:21:50 PM PDT

  •  56% reporting Obama up 55% to 45%

    by mishte on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:22:30 PM PDT

  •  with 56% reporting

    ab0ut a 10 point lead, but not that many votes

    in theory 3% of precincts out in Philadelphia.  But HRC will widen margin a bit with12% of precincts out in Bucks.  Not quite sure about what might happen in Montgomery, where she leads by 2% with just under 2/3 in

    most of that stuff now not updating on CNN map, so it is possible that state will catch up

    MSNBC has a 10 delegate lead with 18 to be allocated.  I don't think she drops below 10, but don't think she gets above 16.

    by teacherken on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:22:51 PM PDT

•  Are these numbers from PA or CNN?

  by txjenny on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:16:35 PM PDT

  •  PA is 9.6%

    http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/

    by drlevant on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:17:58 PM PDT

  •  PA's link

    Pennsylvania's Election Returns page

    by sccs on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:19:34 PM PDT

•  Pat Buchanan, as usual takes the cake

  Apparantly this is proof that Obama can't win Penn in the general. Which basically means that John McCain can't win Utah in the general.

  by NMLib on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:16:48 PM PDT

  •  Pat is batshit crazy.

    He can't say a word without bashing Obama. He wants Hillary to be the nominee so bad he can't hide it.

    by kissfan on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:18:14 PM PDT

    •  He called Rachel Maddow a Marxist tonight.

      The dude's just an aging relic of a political order that is by now obsolete by two generations.

      by sidwood on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:22:06 PM PDT

      •  I actually rewound to make sure...

        ...I heard that right. He shut down her "Marxist dialectic."

        nutlog...

        by ljfxiki on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:36:38 PM PDT

      •  Groucho Must be Turning Over in His

        Grave!

        by mcartri on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:01:57 PM PDT

      •  the context didn't even make sense!

        He just kind of stuck it in there.  She looked rather baffled by the whole exchange...

        by scotths on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:27:48 PM PDT

    •  that is the key

      Repubs are sooooooo scared of Obama - they thought Hillary was inevitable too, and now they are quaking in their hip boots

      by mralex1974 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:24:22 PM PDT

    •  the spin makes me dizzy

      He can't say a word without bashing Obama. He wants Hillary to be the nominee so bad he can't hide it.

      And the casual viewer might not realize that he will be tearing her apart if she were the nominee.  I don't think he should be allowed to speak on tv, and if they must put him on he should have a permanant on screen disclamer.

      by dvschase on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:40:45 PM PDT

  •  Yes

    And Obama can't win New York or Rhode Island. And Hillary can't win Illinois.

    And the Dallas Mavericks can't beat a grade school basketball team because they lost to New Orleans tonight.

    Only in Pundit World could they utter this shit with a straight face.

    by IndyScott on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:18:54 PM PDT

  •  It's disturbing to hear him cheering on Clinton.

    That should be warning enough.

    by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:19:48 PM PDT

    •  Say what you want about Repubs

      they know how to stay on message.

      It took them 7 years to finally jump off the Bush sinking ship.

      by mralex1974 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:27:23 PM PDT

  •  Tell Pat to check RCP

    BHO can win PA and is winning overall

    by margotb822 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:35:36 PM PDT

•  nuttiest one for me is

  'Why can't Obama close the deal with big states'?  to be seconded only by 'Clinton's big win in Texas.'

  by louisev on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:16:50 PM PDT

  •  I KNOW!! Like this is some linear contest...

    Combine that with Sustack <sp?> saying, "The fact that Hillary won being outspent 3:1 means that something big is happening in America!"

    SHE'S THE WIFE OF THE LARGEST DEM FIGURE IN FUCKING HISTORY AND IS FIGHTING FOR HER POLITICAL LIFE!!!!!  Yeah, something's happening.  Voters are turning FROM Hillary NOT to her!  

    Obama dipped into her white male, female and uneducated idiot vote to come within 10 in PA.  

    THESE FOLKS ARE SMOKING SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE BOTTLED, SOLD AND TAXED!

    by ILean Left on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:24:21 PM PDT

•  Three Bois and a Hebrew...

  (not that there's anything wrong with that)...

  

  Lots of talk about these guys.

  by foxsucks81 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:16:54 PM PDT

  •  what is up with the Abercrombie and Fitch boyz?

    Did they all hit the outlets together today, to have something to wear for the cameras?

    Yikes.

    (I admit, I did turn on the set for about 4 minutes to catch some of Obama's speech, but I got so sick of the A & F fashions, I decided it would be better to read this one, rather than watch it.)

    by Dem in the heart of Texas on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:20:33 PM PDT

  •  Larry David?

    by Rex Manning on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:20:49 PM PDT

    •  Sure looks like him. But... Evansville?

      by lineatus on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:23:43 PM PDT

    •  Yeah, that's who I was watching: Larry!

      As  much as I love Rachel Maddow, I can't sit through the other wingnuts, so I watched "Curb Your Enthusiasm" on DVD instead!

      by QuarterHorseDem on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:38:09 PM PDT

      •  Pretty...pretty...pretty...good.

        by Rex Manning on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:41:05 PM PDT

  •  What the hell does your "graphic" mean?

    Three Bois and a Hebrew...? WTF?

    by curiousted on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:21:05 PM PDT

    •  bois = gay boys

      nt

      by foxsucks81 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:23:47 PM PDT

      •  bois = gay boys

        Oh, isn't that lovely . . .  Not too homophobic and anti-semitic are you?

        by curiousted on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:27:07 PM PDT

        •  ummmm

          i'm gay.  and well, not anti-semitic.  

          "not that there's anything wrong with that" is a reference to seinfeld, which was written by larry david, who is my IDOL.

          and he refers to himself as a Hebrew all the time...so it's parody.

          tone down the PC-ness a bit.

          by foxsucks81 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:32:52 PM PDT

          •  I think str8 guys wear A&F too..

            I dunno for sure..

            by audiored on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:37:11 PM PDT

            •  Of course

              otherwise these boys wouldn't be wearing it.

              by foxsucks81 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:45:59 PM PDT

        •  bois = also french for "wood"

          just sayin.

          (and, what's more, it's my last name. born gay? you bet!)

          by homo neurotic on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:36:33 PM PDT

        •  The gay bois!

          I got really distracted by the one on the right who seemed to be on something... he couldn't stop looking around aimlessly, saying things to his neighbor, and looking confused. I was expecting him to start to do something really inappropriate and for his friends to stop him.

          by zanseattle on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:39:30 PM PDT

        •   bois = gay boys

          Not too 'with it' there, are you 'hep-cat'?

          'bois' are boyish looking butch lesbians.  I have known many of them who use that term to describe themselves. I've never known gay boys (and yes, I know quite a few of them too) to use anything other than 'boy' to describe themselves.  

          Better get a new glossary...

          by Malixe on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:56:00 PM PDT

          •  uhhh

            gay bois use "boi" all the time.

            as do lesbians.

            by foxsucks81 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:12:45 PM PDT

  •  WTF, people. Seriously, WTF?!

    5 people recommend this bullshit comment? Drawing a yarmulke on someone who looks a bit like Larry David? On dKos?

    Times have changed.

    by td on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:36:58 PM PDT

    •  the older couple

      in that picture also attended Michelle Obama's event last week. They sat on the bleacher below me. very friendly and enthusiastic for Michelle. I wish I could have made it to tonights event. Drew just under 11,000 people in a 10,000 seat stadium and I watched lots of cars leaving the event 1 hour before the doors opened because of a unending line and not enough parking. Also the mayor endorsed Barack. This mayor won 85% of the vote in the last election.

      by shopkeeper on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:42:36 PM PDT

    •  totally

      glad they have.

      liberals are too PC.  

      lighten up.

      by foxsucks81 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:13:15 PM PDT

•  96% reporting, not a single vote from CD 6, 7

  by PocketNines on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:16:56 PM PDT

  •  PocketNine-- Can we get this to 9%?

    by drlevant on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:18:44 PM PDT

    •  We could get it to 9.4% which is technically

      single digits, but it will still read 55-45.

      by ObamaManiac2008 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:22:07 PM PDT

      •  Is 9.4 the best we can do?

        by drlevant on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:23:43 PM PDT

        •  we need the margin to go down another 10K

          in order to get 54.4-45.6 at this point. check for a 200K margin, that's the goal

          it's at 54.7-45.3 right now.

          by Osaka on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:28:41 PM PDT

    •  What would that look like?

      54-45? Where would the other 1% go?

      by jeepdad on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:25:34 PM PDT

      •  Gravelanche. n/t

        by SouthernFried on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:36:55 PM PDT

    •  I've Got a Dyslexic Pet Bat

      I can get that 9 down to 6 instantly.

      by mcartri on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:06:17 PM PDT

  •  Any chance this is rendell

    pulling strings to keep it 10 points until the west coast goes to bed?

    by Number5 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:21:19 PM PDT

    •  wouldn't matter anyway

      with on 4% reporting, that margin isn't going to close significally. At best we're looking at a 9.5% loss.

      by nrafter530 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:23:16 PM PDT

      •  If we are arguing

        between 9% and rounding up to 10% then we've fallen into the otherworldly trap where things that don't mean anything having meaning.

        by Jeffersonian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:30:55 PM PDT

•  Matthews

  Talking about how this was a battle of blacks and white liberals versus "regular people."

  Fucking unreal.

  by IndyScott on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:17:05 PM PDT

  •  Tweety is a nitwit.

    Speaking of nitwits, I saw Expelled today.

    by Tony Seybert on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:19:04 PM PDT

    •  Why would you go see that? n/t

      by audiored on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:39:11 PM PDT

      •  Because I'm a nitwit.

        by Tony Seybert on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 03:18:07 AM PDT

  •  Who ARE these people??

    Honestly is this really what our media has become??

    by karenz on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:23:22 PM PDT

  •  "... big winner is..."

    Matthews actually said that it was "...another victory for cable television tonight..." Except that wasn't spin, it was a moment of revolting clarity.

    by ljfxiki on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:39:00 PM PDT

•  Vague Obama

  Barack Obama is a very undefined candidate and he cannot win working class people's votes

  by drlevant on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:17:19 PM PDT

  •  Irrelevant piffle

    by Bill White on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:18:22 PM PDT

  •  Sorry to disappoint. He's won it already.

    Check IL, WI, WA, MO and other states that he's won.

    Also, I realize when we talk about 'working class' people, we must be talking about bigoted whites.  If not, then please tell me what the fuck 92% of the black vote is if it's not working class!!!

    by ILean Left on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:28:23 PM PDT

  •  And while I'm on it...

    ...Hillary cannot win the most reliable constituency of the Dem party - African Americans.

    Remember those working class people?

    by ILean Left on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:31:06 PM PDT

  •  Eh, you are very wrong . . .

    +Idaho 62%
    +Hawaii 52%
    District of Columbia 51%
    +Alaska 50%
    +Kansas 48%
    +Washington 37%
    Georgia 36%
    +Nebraska 36%
    +Minnesota 34%
    Illinois 32%
    Virginia 29%
    South Carolina 28%
    Mississippi 24%
    +North Dakota 24%
    Maryland 23%
    +Wyoming 23%
    Louisiana 21%
    Vermont 20%
    +Maine 19%
    Utah 18%
    Wisconsin 17%
    Alabama 14%
    Delaware 10%
    +Iowa 9% (over Clinton, who was third)

    by Bill White on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:32:37 PM PDT

    •  Thanks for the actuals. Such silliness on their

      part!

      by ILean Left on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:35:25 PM PDT

      •  Maybe no one in those states works for a living

        by Bill White on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:06:35 PM PDT

        •  I know. Ya' think? n/t

          by ILean Left on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:13:32 PM PDT

  •  who made pat buchanan

    an account?  
    drlevant if you are going to post here bring maddow with you please

    by dvschase on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:44:38 PM PDT

•  Demconwatch delegate prediction

  The 158 delegates are divided as follows: 55 delegates will be determined by the state-wide vote, broken up into two separate groups of 35 and 20 delegates. The other 103 are determined by vote totals in each congressional district, from a low of 3 delegates in PA-9 to a high of 9 delegates in PA-2.

  Update: 12:05 AM. Clinton wins. Lead at 9.6%. Spread at 213,000 votes.

  State-wide: Clinton 30, Obama 25

  We project CD delegates at 50-43 Clinton. 10 left to be assigned.

  http://demconwatch.blogspot.com/

  by Bill White on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:17:19 PM PDT

  •  Thanks, Bill. You guys do good work. n/t

    by Meteor Blades on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:22:58 PM PDT

•  I would, but...

  ... my tv isn't spinning.  Or if it is, it's spinning imperceptibly slowly.

  Happily, off.

  Well, about to go on again.  I've got an episode of Battlestar Galactica to finish.

  by mk on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:17:30 PM PDT

•  so only 6 or 7 delegates

  even with a 10% margin? wow. does nothing to change the math. he'll make that up in NC.

  by scottmaui on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:17:30 PM PDT

  •  CNN has only a 6 delegate difference right now

    Our own statistical mavins are only projecting around a 13 delegate pickup for Clinton on the whole thing after the dust settles.

    by Rolfyboy6 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:20:20 PM PDT

  •  More like 12 or so

    when it's all said and done.  But he will make it up in NC, easily.

    by Reality Inc on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:20:32 PM PDT

  •  It'll probably be 10-15 in the end.

    With 1/3rd of the remaining delegates off the table, Hillary picking up just 10-15 is a good result for Obama....

    by pointsoflight on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:22:27 PM PDT

    •  Exactly

      that's where she can stick those 10-15 delegates . . . in the end!

      by mengelhart on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:25:54 PM PDT