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On the ground in the Lehigh Valley 2

Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:37:06 PM PDT

Many Lehigh Valley voters I talked to today spoke in short hand about their perspectives on the candidates. They were repeating the distilled collective wisdom of family, friends and co-workers. Sometimes it was difficult to get them to apply their own personal insights and experiences to that received wisdom.

Some others, however, and the most interesting voters, spoke in very personal terms. One of the most remarkable of these voters was Tara Schaffer, a young working mother in rural Heidelberg Heights. Working, and then some. She confessed that she didn't follow politics as closely as she'd like to because she works 60 hour weeks in 12 hour shifts. And she does so gladly because for nearly a year she was unemployed, facing bankruptcy and the loss of her house because her adjustable rate mortgage payments went through the roof. Her family desperately needed healthcare coverage, so this exhausting job is a lifeline.

She voted today for the first time in her life. She registered a few years ago at the DMV, but never received her voter registration information and so she assumed that she wasn't registered. Tara says she decided to vote only because an Obama canvasser came to her door and convinced her that she could and should vote.

She said that was the only canvasser she had ever seen, and it doesn't suprise me. In 2004 I canvassed this entire town and had to do it on my own because the local Kerry headquarters (with canvassers available by the hundreds) didn't want to invest any effort in going after rural voters. I was convinced that was a mistake, and Tara's story shows exactly why. Many of these voters are in need of basic information or simple advice about how to vote, having been neglected by the parties for decades, and many can be persuaded to vote Democratic.

Tara's young son, too, urged her to vote for Obama. He's a news junkie, and at school the kids are excited about Obama's candidacy.

Tara admits that in the past she didn't feel any urgency to vote, but this year is different. This year, she says, is critical because of the Iraq fiasco. The Iraq war "turned me into a Democrat," she told me. And she has really had quite enough of Bush family members in the White House. That made a vote for McCain this year unthinkable for her. She regards McCain as a continuation of Bush's policies.

In the end she opted for Obama because she likes his quiet determination and calmness. She's looking for change in the future, and she thinks a candidate who keeps lobbyists at arms length might achieve something.

Tara had nothing against Hillary Clinton, and will vote for her in a heartbeat if she's the Democratic nominee. But she resented the negativity and triviality of some of her ads. Tara pointed out that she's been struggling for years just to keep her family fed, clothed, and housed. And here you have a campaign lavishing millions of dollars on TV ads that aren't about anything that matters to the country. If they've got a million dollars to waste, she said, they should just give the money to her. "I could really use it."

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  •  On to Indiana! (0+ / 0-)

    Where Hillary's 2 pt loss will be spun into a win!

    Bush will be impeached.

    by jgkojak on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:39:21 PM PDT

  •  no street money (1+ / 0-)

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    but we'll waste MILLIONS on the TV and alienate voters....

    BIG MISTAKE

    •  Rural voters are tough and high-cost (0+ / 0-)

      Many of these voters are in need of basic information or simple advice about how to vote, having been neglected by the parties for decades, and many can be persuaded to vote Democratic.

      Well, maybe not. At least not in PA, where a vote for Hillary equates to, AFAIC, a vote for a Republican. You really think Lehigh County will ever vote majority Democrat this year? I doubt it. Obama put big resources into the rural vote and got what? Basically, bupkis. Although one could say that his investment was the different between getting 10% or 30% of the vote in those counties, you would think that a Dem could fog a mirror and get 30%.

      Forgive me, I'm just a little ticked off right now that so many PA voters bought the bullshit.

      That's a tough audience there in PA.

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      by The Lighthouse Keeper on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:15:42 PM PDT

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      •  Obama won rural Union County (1+ / 0-)

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        in rural PA and Centre County which is largely rural ( I will admit Penn State probably won Obama Centre County but still )

        Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. Martin Luther King Jr.

        by wishingwell on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:26:17 PM PDT

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        •  TWO counties. Two. :) (0+ / 0-)

          Look at the rest of the map. He couldn't even carry Pittsburgh! The margins in the eastern half of the state are very much in line with what the original projections were when the primary first started. Obama did, however, make big inroads in the more urban and suburban counties, which made him competitive. Of course, the media won't spin it that way.

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          by The Lighthouse Keeper on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:48:23 PM PDT

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      •  It's a Democratic county in a Dem state (2+ / 0-)

        So yes, there's a good chance it will vote for Obama in November.

        This was a primary, remember, between two Democrats. Just because a majority of Democrats prefered the Democrat you don't prefer doesn't mean that they're ignorant about what matters, or hostile to the Democratic party, or that they hate Obama. Read the polls; very few Pennsylvanians or residents of Lehigh Valley have a negative impression of Obama. It's just that slightly more prefer the other Democrat in the race.

        •  True; true. (0+ / 0-)

          I'm deeply concerned about ongoing polarization, however. That could be somewhat overhyped by the media, which frankly wouldn't surprise me.

          It's a big reason why Obama has largely taken a gloves-off attitude towards her; to avoid angering her supporters when he needs to unify the party for the general.

          I think it's exactly the right thing to do; unfortunately, it also means that the rest of the primaries are water torture for us. We can only hope that the intra-party alienation reported by many news outlets is a chimera.

          On the Internet, nobody knows you're a dog.

          by The Lighthouse Keeper on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:45:43 PM PDT

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  •  the thing I get from this post (11+ / 0-)

    is Kerry's canvassing operation.  

    Don't care about the rural areas...sound familiar?

    Obama is winning Idaho, KS, CO, UT, ND many rural areas.  That will increase in the general.

    Obama could push 54% in the general.

    A big difference between grassroots and machine politics.

    Republicans are not a national party anymore.

    by jalapeno on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:41:19 PM PDT

  •  TV ads should be free for candidates (3+ / 0-)

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    It's our airwaves

  •  All Dems will vote for Obama in November. (3+ / 0-)

    Clinton's argument that all Democrats won't vote for Obama in the general election is bogus.  If anything, Clinton voters are more the yellow dog Democrats, hard to see them voting for McCain.

    That's why I think the competitive contest going to the end, bringing out record new registrations, record voting turnout is good for Obama in the general election.

  •  What a great story (7+ / 0-)

    There are millions out there like her. They're interested in politics and voting, but they're not as tied into the political system as we are.

    We'll get all of them in November. God knows they're tired of the GOP.

    John McCain: The only mavericky straight-talker surrounded by corporate lobbyists

    by atrexler on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:47:27 PM PDT

  •  Tara's story (4+ / 0-)

    Really touched my heart and reminded me of what the Democratic party is about and what we need to do this fall. Thanks for sharing it.

    Hope is passion for what is possible. -- Soren Kierkegaard

    by lauramp on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:58:34 PM PDT

  •  We've learned a lot from the Kerry campaign (4+ / 0-)

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    I was a precinct captain for MoveOn and that was really there first attempt at microtargeting, which Rove and Co. used effectively at least in 2000, if not earlier.

    We've got to use the collective databases (DNC, Obama, MoveOn, etc.) to tap into voters like Tara, who are right there with us on the issues, but don't know the details about registration, polling places, legal voting rights, etc. And, if they need just a little nudge to vote for President Obama, then we'll be ready to provide all the information they need also.

    This election is the most important of our lives (I also said that about the last two) because it is the next one.

    Nov. 4, 2008. Let's get ready to rumble.

    by trmasonic on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:04:59 PM PDT

  •  If they've got a million dollars to waste ... (1+ / 0-)

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    "I could really use it."  I've known that feeling.  It sucks.

  •  County results (1+ / 0-)

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    Carbon County: 76.2% Clinton, 23.8% Obama
    Lehigh County: 60.3% Clinton, 39.7% Obama
    Northampton County: 60% Clinton, 40% Obama

    This morning you wrote of the region as a bellwether, and of Morning Call showing a 47% Clinton - 46% Obama race.

    How is it they were so far off?

    •  revisiting the poll (2+ / 0-)

      I see that they only included Lehigh and Northampton Counties, which would fall withing MoE with undecideds all breaking for Clinton, which seems unlikely.

      Still wonder what tonight's results mean, if anything, vis-a-vis the whole bellwether thing...

      •  Well, Lehigh Valley voted in line with PA (2+ / 0-)

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        That's what a bellwether is. The gap was a lot wider than for PA as a whole, maybe that's what you're asking about? I think bellwether's relate to winning/losing, not percentages of wins/losses.

        I have no idea why a neck-and-neck poll turned out to be so far away from the results (and no, the results were not within the poll's margin of error). The gap might well be related to turnout, which was damned near impossible to predict for this primary (partly because of all the new voters, partly because the way voters related to these particular two voters was unusual). Turnout was the big unknown. The different likely-voter models that pollsters used were a big reason why statewide poll results were all over the place.

        It also may be the reason that there were strange and mostly unpredicted results in Philly and suburbs. Almost nobody expected Clinton to do so well in Montgomery and Bucks counties. Could it be that her voters turned out in larger numbers than Obama's voters did?

        •  3% increase in registered voters over 2007 (0+ / 0-)

          That's total, Dem, GOP, and independent, based on general historic registration numbers compared to detailed current numbers; if they were mostly all new on the Dem side, that would be about a 6% increase in registered Dem voters, give or take.

          Guess I am more curious about the discrepancy than the whole bellwether thing, though the region did indeed vote as the state voted. Perhaps those new voters did play into the poll's failure to accurately predict.

          •  I think the turnout models have to be involved (0+ / 0-)

            somehow in state polls generally, and possibly in that particular discrepancy. It may take a few days to figure out who turned out in greatest numbers. My immediate reaction is that both candidates' supporters must have turned out very heavily, since the overall numbers were stunningly high. But in some regions in the south and east, Clinton supporters may have turned out in huge numbers. That is the region after all that Ed Rendell won the gubenatorial primary in by means of a massive turn out of his base.

    •  Closet racism? I have to admit... (1+ / 0-)

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      I cannot come up with any other semi-rational reason. There's gotta be SO many white voters in PA who consider themselves Dems but will never vote for an African-American. (But they would never admit it in public or to a poll taker!) Plus getting subjected to Hillary's specious but persistent "elitist" horsecrap apparently worked.

      PA is also a very "old" state in terms of population. A lot of these people pretty much live in the same narrow views they held 40 years ago. A lot of Dems voted for Reagan, remember.

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      by The Lighthouse Keeper on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:20:39 PM PDT

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      •  Heidelberg Township (2+ / 0-)

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        Since smintheus has diaried on this area a couple of times, thought I'd get those stats out, too, for consideration:

        277 votes for Clinton
        171 votes for Obama
        757 Dems registered for the 2008 General Primary

        Dem turnout in Heidelberg = 59.2% (448 votes, 757 registered Dems)

        That's huge for the primary. Huge. And they broke for Clinton 61.8% to 38.2%, in line with the state overall.

        Sure hope these folks would vote for Obama in November should the opportunity present itself.

        (BTW, 295 GOP votes were cast tonight out of 1055 registered Republicans, or only 30% turnout.)

      •  older female voters so not all is racism (2+ / 0-)

        when 60 pct of the Democratic voters were over 44 and 39 pct were over 65 and 59 pct were women...it has more to do with older women voters wanting to vote for a woman than just assuming it is all racism. Some perhaps but not that much.

        I have been involved in PA politics for 35 years. We are second only to Florida in Senior citizens.Name recognition helps greatly in PA.
        So she had name recognition and some consider it another term for Bill Clinton too. !!!

        Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. Martin Luther King Jr.

        by wishingwell on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:33:19 PM PDT

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      •  bingo (0+ / 0-)

        lots of bitter white union members that hate AA, mexicans, chinese and muslims in PA.

        •  That's a big part of it (0+ / 0-)

          A lot of union members of the old school. Their frame of reference is from another time. Many voted for Reagan. Twice.

          We have a long ways to go as a nation, and I'm afraid that with the economy going the way it's going, things are gonna start to get uglier overall. I tend to be an optimistic sort, but this time I'm really worried about the American economy.

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          by The Lighthouse Keeper on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:54:22 PM PDT

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        •  This misses a lot of important factors (1+ / 0-)

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          Many Clinton voters (including people in my family) are thrilled at the chance to vote for the first woman who really has a shot at the White House. We are working class people who came up from poverty just a generation ago.

          They are NOT racists just because they did not support Obama. They just have a different view.

          And Pennsylvania has a lot of people who get behind all sorts of liberal programs that other states lack.

          The local foods movement is huge here. The support for family farms is also huge. There is strong support from lots of people for the environment.

          •  Identity Politics. (0+ / 0-)

            These older women, and the few younger ones I've seen who support her are focusing only on that she is a woman. I was raised by feminists, my family went to Seneca Falls, and wore the white dresses demanding to vote. I'm feminist, but if I'll be damned if I'll vote for the likes of HRC simply because she's a woman. The   Boomer women behind her think this is their last chance to have one of their generation in office, and those a little older think this is their last chance to see it before they die. Grandma used to say something about your own lice biting the worst.

      •  closet racism? (0+ / 0-)

        I would agree with you except the part about the closet...
        I used to think that that the old racist ignorant voter ended up in the other political party; I've come to see (and PA confirms it) that "we have met the enemy and he is us."

        •  sexism (0+ / 0-)

          is worse than racism in this country. You all are sexists. You are trashing Hillary. How come no one complain? You are trashing her for several reasons, one of them because she is a woman. Don't deny it. Another reason, you feel betrayed by Bill for going to the center when he was president. Most white liberal males voted for Obama. Sexism is discrimination.

      •  Obama (1+ / 0-)

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        won most red states. Kerry lost those states. Those states vote republican. You are calling people who voted
        for Hillary ignorants, I don't think people in red states are better educated. Liberals used to say that.
        They used to make fun of people from red states. Hillary won the big states. Philadelphia is mostly liberal.

    •  but you missed Union county (1+ / 0-)

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      and Centre

      Centre County Obama 60 Clinton 40

      Union Obama won by 10 pts too..both rural counties, both in the T and unexpected wins.

      Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. Martin Luther King Jr.

      by wishingwell on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:30:29 PM PDT

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  •  great story (3+ / 0-)

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    and i agree. i hooked up with the Obama people here in Pittsburgh last month to go door-to-door with registration forms and information in Wilkinsburg on the Saturday before Easter (smaller city just east of the PGH line, blocks from where i live.)

    i've never ever done anything like that before.

    it was easy (despite getting snowed on and being cold.) the campaign people were way organized, set me up with another volunteer who could drive us to the streets they had marked on the map for us. i got five people that day in a few hours' door-knocking, he didn't get as many, but i'm thinking no one was afraid to answer the door when they saw me (40 year old female) whereas a young man, well, we were in a neighborhood with boarded up places and all.

    it was totally rewarding. i loved getting invited into peoples' homes, smelling them cooking dinner, talking. most of the people who were home to answer were already registered, but even they thanked me for doing it. i gave away one of my two Obama pins to the first lady i signed up.

    i brought my own print-outs from the PA state site with the rules, phone numbers, and so on, and made sure they knew to call Obama's HQ or the local library if they had questions later or needed a ride.

    the primary process in PA has more hoops than in many states, so i figured this was the most useful way to help out.

    i've been voting since i was 18, but that's only because my folks always voted, so they signed me up and took me. if you don't have that, it's easy to get left out.

    if Obama gets the nom, i will certainly do this again before November. it's too easy and too important not to.

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    by Librarian on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:10:49 PM PDT

  •  There are alot of Taras out there from Florida to (2+ / 0-)

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    Washington state. It just takes a day for each of us to contact and connect with our neighbors and inspire them to vote this November. Not hard. Takes time. Is so rewarding. Helps people.

    An eye for and eye makes the whole world blind - Mahatma Gandhi

    by TX Scotia on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:10:55 PM PDT

  •  so how did Obama lose by 200k+ votes? (0+ / 0-)

    He had how many weeks...how much more money...how much better of a campaign/personality/movement...how much stronger of feeling that he was going to be the nominee

    He still gets beaten solidly in a Blue State with a significant non-white population

    It's really pathetic, and I voted for him

    And I'll vote for him in the General, but unless something dramatic changes, he will not win PA in the general election, he'll have all the advantages in the world, but as we've seen, the average voter doesn't care about that in 2008

    If we lose PA, we lose the election...and I see no reason why his all-star effort that turns into a big loss won't be repeated in November

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    by mhinds01 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:11:25 PM PDT

    •  I think you nailed it.. (0+ / 0-)

      This state won't vote for Obama and it's because he is black..and Pa..is a old white state..We all know how old white people feel about people of color..I feel the election is lost..Thanks Hillary for destroying the democratic party..

    •  He came from 20+ points down just a few weeks ago (2+ / 0-)

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      Maybe we should pin the loss on the Amish people in PA.

      The PA population is about 87% white, with the black population centered in Philly, so your "significant non-white population" description rings a little hollow. Black voters were 14%. Also, since when is PA a "Blue State"?

      He is going to be the nominee and people need to go to bed and get up in the morning and realize that an 8% loss in PA is no big deal.

      It's all about the delegates and right now (with about 60 to be allocated, he is down just 6). He'll probably make up what he lost in Guam next Saturday.

      Look at the number of votes that the dems got vs. the number that McCain got and that will give you a better (and more optimistic) outlook regarding November results.

      Nov. 4, 2008. Let's get ready to rumble.

      by trmasonic on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:48:35 PM PDT

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  •  I hate Pennsylvania.. (0+ / 0-)

    I am tired of talking about the fucking place..and the fucking uneducated people who live there..This state wanted Hillary and they got her..Now live with it..Please don't make me read or write another word about the place where Hillary became a big game hunter..

    •  From all of us in PA: (1+ / 0-)

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      Fuck you, elitist scum.

      Sincerely,

      An uneducated* PA native that wore out a pair of shoes volunteering for Obama.

      *we might be a bunch of pseudoconservative racists in PA, but we're smart pesudoconservative racists.

    •  This is pretty ignorant (2+ / 0-)

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      I have little doubt that you'd be praising Pennsylvanians to the sky if a few percent of the vote shifted and your candidate had won the primary. So please get over yourself. You don't get to dictate to the rest of the country which candidates they are allowed to prefer.

      •  Agree (2+ / 0-)

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        They will be praising Pennsylvania if Obama had won.
        Now they are even using the race card. Pathetic.

      •  Lots of us in PA worked hard in this primary (1+ / 0-)

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        for Obama - and others worked hard for Clinton - and all the other candidates in the primary. Those of us who worked for Obama are pretty bummed out by his not winning - though with reflection we can take solace in his having done some gap closing compared to where things were.

        But calling us names and racists when, really, nearly half the Democratic voters when for Obama is just plain nonsense.

        And it is unfair to assume that Clinton voters are racists. Many people in PA are struggling financially and otherwise. They remember that the Clinton years coincided with good economic times and were a breather between the two Bush eras.

      •  Ok.. (0+ / 0-)

        but none of that happened..The state didn't vote for change..The voted for Annie Clinton..and with it moved one step closer to McBush..since 50% of Hillary's fans won't vote for Obama..and the rest of us sane..folks had to sit through 6 weeks of boring ass babbling commentary about how Pennsylvania people were the salt of the earth..Salt a perfect analogy..Pure and White..

    •  I don't hate them; I do dislike HRC (0+ / 0-)

      I dislike HRC because she took what should have an election over change and made it into crap.  I don't believe she will change anything!  That may be better than making it way worst like McCain will do but she won't get it done:

      1. She failed on health care before and will fail again.
      1. We'll still have lots of troops in Iraq.
      1. She may even be crazy even to get involved in some military action against Iran.
      1. Nothing will change on trade, workers rights, etc...

      Yeah, you may not get a right wing supreme court justice under her regime but that's the only advantage.

      Other than that she'll follow the same Clinton pro-corporate strategies that have alienated people from both parties.

      •  Pennsylvania..makes me sick.. (0+ / 0-)

        and i actually feel sorry for the people who actually make money and get an education..I guess in Pa Kettle land..that is an insult..but..never fear..Hillary has your back..Now that is scary..You get what you deserve..I know..being from Texas..

    •  I was born in PA, now live in TX... (0+ / 0-)

      ... and I think I can pretty safely say that people are the same everywhere.

      PA voters aren't uneducated. They aren't racist. They're just like all other voters: people who have a wide range of views on everything from healthcare to the economy to the war to whether they'd rather vote for the first black president or the first female president. I believe PA will go blue in November, regardless of who the nominee is.

      I understand your frustration, but comments like this really don't help the situation.

  •  Elitist scum? (2+ / 0-)

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    I was just getting to feel good as an elitist, sorta trying it on for the sense of it, you know, when I'm suddenly reminded I could be reduced to a refuse pile in a possibly gelanteous state.  

    I'll have to consult with the cyanobacteria, sorta true blue characters, and with the always romantic algae, they're big penicillin fans, about this sudden twist in fate. Everything is so green.

    Anti-meta strikes again. Very prevalent when we talk about things we hate instead of things we love.

    I liked the story about Tara, smintheus. Fine diary. There are many more like her out there. Special bonus for the delicious irony of the name, however unintended.

    The eyeball gouging afterward in the comments has been an indicator of a re-balancing of the equilibrium. The outcome relieves some tension but there's obviously plenty still present concerning the next moves.

    I think both candidates are tired. Hells bells, we're tired.

    Hillary was more pinned down in PA; Obama has been active wherever he needed to be to outflank her. And he knows he's having to fight both HRC and McBush; their two political machines seem to be merging at the same time.

    Now, is that illusion or do we have something revealed?  

    "But their gift is an empty snake, Carrying hypocrisy in its mouth like venom" - Sami Al Hajj

    by walkshills on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 01:21:31 AM PDT

    •  The irony of her name? (1+ / 0-)

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      You've got me there...though I'm exhausted after a day spent on the road.

      I too have been surprised at some of the angry comments here and elsewhere. Don't these commenters realize that in a contested primary your own candidate can't expect to win every state?

      •  Still seeing anger today. (0+ / 0-)

        That's good in that there was real emotion invested; you shouldn't be happy to lose. But, politics is very much like basketball: there is a next play almost immediately. People cannot wallow in any self pity or whining or the next play goes by. Face outward and get ready.

        Thanks for all your writing. I would expect the insights you've gained will seep through for some time.

        Forget the irony. I could feel it but it became so complex in the writing that I concluded it was too great a leap.

        "But their gift is an empty snake, Carrying hypocrisy in its mouth like venom" - Sami Al Hajj

        by walkshills on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 09:55:29 PM PDT

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  •  HRC makes me ill (0+ / 0-)

    I get ill now just looking at her.

  •  "I could really use it." (1+ / 0-)

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    : the interviewee, speaking about all the money raised to be spent on advertising  :

    I hold back from donating much, not that I have much, due to the sheer waste of throwing money at advertisers and big media, when there are so many people who are in real need.

    Yes, I know we're helping to elect a better class of candidate, so I do dontate, but I wish more politicians would begin to designate charities that help with the signature causes they support so that (a) we could take direct action to help, (b) we would learn more about issues that might not affect us directly but other people struggle with on a daily basis, (c) it would highlight causes the candidates feels a loyalty to, and (d) I think it would stimulate even more grassroots activism.

    Do what you can, with what you have, where you are. ~Teddy Roosevelt

    by dejavu on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 06:22:52 AM PDT

  •  Sadly, I'm Still Quite Pessimistic (0+ / 0-)

    I'm glad to hear that this young mother in Pennsylvania's Lehigh Valley has "come around" to voting for Obama.  And it's also wonderful to learn that the "Obama People" are actually reaching out to parts of the state (or country) that for the most part have been previously ignored.

    Sadly, though, I am still "cautiously" pessimistic about the Democrats' chance for winning in November no matter which candidate's name is on top of the ballot.  (And yes, my husband, myself and our two twenty-something-year-old sons are all Obama supporters/workers, although we will definitely vote for ANY Democratic candidate for President no matter what!!!)

    It just seems that the first woman you described yesterday in Lehigh Valley (who IS voting for McCain) is not all that "unusual" or "atypical" if you were to take a TRUE cross-section of ALL Americans. And tragically, I was not the least bit surprised to learn that this woman was still voting Republican despite all that this Administration has done to the economy, environment and globe.  John McCain may be a multi-millionaire with a horrible temper who proudly has been unfaithful to his wives, but this woman--and sadly, too many more voters like her--will continue to believe that McCain's view of the world is far closer to hers' than that of Obama, who certainly was not born with a silver spoon in his mouth.  The Main Stream Media continues to support this Republican myth at every level, and sadly the Democrats have done little to dispel their message.

    In essence, it has been clear for at least four years now that John McCain would be the Republican nominee, and yet the DNC has only this week started running "negative ads" against McCain in "selected test markets!"  Even before the "bitter" contest between Senators Obama and Clinton developed into a media circus, you can bet that Rove and Company were laughing at us Democrats for twiddling our thumbs for the last four years instead of "swift-boating" their candidate or AT LEAST their platform.  Certainly, as soon as Rove started swift-boating John Kerry as a "flip-flopper" long before he became the official Democratic nominee in 2004, the Republicans were able to set the entire tone of the election.   And even though the Democrats never recovered in 2004, one would think that we would have learned our lesson by 2008.  And so to come full circle back to the "first" woman you described in Pennsylvania's Lehigh Valley, I really do not find it surprising at all that she is voting for John McSame and that McSame is currently ahead of either Democratic candidate in most of the polls--which is a GENUINE tragedy for this country and planet!

  •  Bush's '04 campaign used a LOT of (0+ / 0-)

    billboards on the country roads into and out of the rural towns here in the Lehigh Valley.  They had one-line scary catch-phrases on them about terrorism and 'family values,' and they made me swear every time I passed one... knowing it was the most 'political outreach' most people would see.  They undoubtedly had some effect, even a subliminal note that one of the candidates was putting it out directly to them.

    In the immortal words of Jean Paul Sartre, 'Au revoir, gopher'.

    by jhop7 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 09:43:46 AM PDT

  •  If Obama can't stand the heat (0+ / 0-)

    what is he going to do when Chavez calls him "DIABLO"?

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