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Don't Count out Kentucky! Obama folks are on the beat.

Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:15:30 PM PDT

First the "Big States" argument is skewed. It's a primary and she didn't wipe him out by 20 points.  In a general election, it looks pretty good that a democrat would be successful. Any Democrat.

now the real topic

Alright, I know that seemingly Kentucky would be Clinton country.  But what folks don't know about Kentucky is that the creative class has grown immensely in the last 5 years which bodes well for Obama. As well the ethnic diversity in the state is changing.  Louisville (my town) is probably leaning toward Obama without question. His street signs are everywhere. This also speaks well for him in Southern Indiana.  According to Open Secrets, He leads in fundraising in this city and is nearly tied in fundraising in Lexington. Both cities have large and active youth cultures and the two largest public universities.  Another city to watch is Paducah.  Very large creative community and another university town.

In Appalachia he needs to make a real point to talk about the problems of drugs, poor healthcare and poverty which are rampant in those areas.  If he can really be specific and real with the people who live in those areas, and are either out of work or working for coal mines (or Walmart-hit Hillary but don't dismiss the work.), he will do better than anyone expects.  At this time, the mountains don't really know him.  

Another great point to bring up is the possibility of green jobs (specifically what those are and how they'd fit in the landscape) and the problem of mountaintop removal. People want the jobs and the opportunities but do not want to destroy their ancestral homes.  The culture of appalachia is one that Obama needs to navigate well and really learn.   Also he needs to be simple and specific.  The education level is not particularly high but people are definitely not ignorant. If they are leveled with then he'd probably be surprised at the openness to his ideas.  Speak plainly and straight.  He should really use Rory Kennedy's support here.

One problem spot is Ashland.  Big Oil.  They like Hillary.  (of course)

Illegal Immigrants are a big population in Kentucky and Southern Indiana.  He'll need to address this issue also straight on.

Basically my point is, as a Kentuckian, this ain't the same state it always was.  

Some things don't change...like Mitch McConnell (gag and we're working on that) but many things do change.

The folks are on the ground everywhere and in unexpected places.  I don't think Hillary is going to walk away with Kentucky.  Obama has some challenges here but if he can be specific and simple, the results could be surprising. This is a great state for Obama to pick up some republicans as well, although they can't vote in the primary.

Basically Kentucky isn't sewn up for Hil. So don't count us out.

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  •  Make us proud Ritzerbloc! (4+ / 0-)

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    OrdinaryGal, Rich Santoro, soms, RadioGirl

    You got our support.

    Obama '08! Don't just stand there, Get Involved!!

    by Skulnick on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:17:21 PM PDT

  •  This is why I love this site; (5+ / 0-)

    You get more info and things to think about from here than in any so-called "newspaper."

  •  If for no other reason than to make her spend (4+ / 0-)

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    emilymv, deepeco, TennesseeGurl, soms

    what little cash she has defending position in KY, Obama should go all out.

    It's good defense.

  •  Cincy Burbs (2+ / 0-)

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    Rich Santoro, soms

    The Cincy burbs are booming from the last I saw a few years ago.  I would think that might be decent Obama territory as well.

  •  Yeah, I'm counting out Kentucky. (2+ / 0-)

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    DemocraticLuntz, soms

    Have you seen the polling?  Have you seen how he's been doing in Appalachia?

    I think it's great if Obama has a good organization there and is working to minimize the loss.  But make no mistake, it's going to be a bad state for him.

    And you might want to watch sentences like this:

    Louisville (my town) is probably leaning toward Obama without question.

    Probably without question?

  •  I appreciate your optimism, (1+ / 0-)

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    soms

    but as a resident of Cincinnati, I've spent my fair share of time in the 'tucky and, frankly, I'd be thrilled if Obama kept Clinton's margin there under 15 points. Remember, with pledged delegates out of her reach, manipulating the media's perception and effectively playing the expectations game are her actual objectives.

    Thanks for your support down there.

    -8.25, -6.82
    John McCain : The kids aren't alright, my friends.

    by differance on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:21:41 PM PDT

  •  wow you really are an optimist (2+ / 0-)

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    soms, kiki236

    I think the last poll I saw Hillary was ahead about 40 points. If I was Obama I wouldn`t waste a lot of money in Kentucky or West Virginia.
    Anyway, hopefully by the time they have the primaries Hillary will hopefully be history!

  •  I'm not sure that Obama can count on the students (1+ / 0-)

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    soms

    in KY.  Not that they aren't likely in his corner, but the semesters at all the universities and colleges will have ended by the primary.  The students will likely vote at home, scattered around all the congressional districts (plus you lose the out of state students)- so they won't be voting in large blocks.

    Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter - MLK,Jr.

    by Embee on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:24:26 PM PDT

    •  you are counting out (0+ / 0-)

      the massive numbers of students that remain in their college towns throughout the year. I am in lexington, and i promise you this place doesn't become a ghost town may-august. UK is a very large university and we only lose a segment of freshman/sophomores during the summer.

  •  I'll be really happy if Obama wins Yarmuth's CD (1+ / 0-)

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    soms

    Not expecting much more than that from the Kentuckians.

  •  I haven't heard a candidate bring up... (1+ / 0-)

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    Riterzbloc

    the devastating meth epidemic.

    In Appalachia he needs to make a real point to talk about the problems of drugs...

    When Obama appeared at a hotdog diner in rural PA, the press quoted a person on the street saying they assumed the commotion and police tape was over drug bust. The meth problem would have been on the minds of people in OH and PA.

    "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell

    by MotherGinSling on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:29:19 PM PDT

  •  Say it loud! As a former KY-resident (3+ / 0-)

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    Rich Santoro, soms, EmmaKY

    Kentucky voted for Hillary's husband twice. While she will likely win here, Obama needs to campaign in Lex-town, Louisville, et al.

    But he needs to hit the same Appalachian towns as McCain, especially some of the arch-conservative counties in the southeast, like Pulaski and Jackson.

    Remember, the 50-state strategy is actually a 3,000-county strategy: every seed of peace we plant on behalf of Democrats will yield an increase in support in future elections.

    And for those of you that think KY is out of reach for Dems in '80 - remember that the state just tossed an incumbent Republican Gov and elected a Democrat - and the margin was not close.

    We picked up a House seat here, and with Heather Ryan, we may grab another out in the western part of the state.

  •  Not to be contrarian... (0+ / 0-)

    ...but yes, I think it is sewn up for Hillary.

    Obama will push his margin in and around Louisville, but Eastern KY is going to slaughter him because of his  stance on mountaintop removal coal mining (it's going to cost him in WV, too), and his margins anywhere else would be minimal at best.

    He'll go, and he'll campaign, and he'll buy ads and spend money, and he'll lose--if he's lucky, it'll be less than an 8-point margin.  And then he'll STILL be leading in delegates, states and votes, and he'll get the nomination anyway.

    One more Justice and John McCain gets his wish.

    by JR on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:34:15 PM PDT

  •  Do you know how voter registration went? (2+ / 0-)

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    Ranting Roland, soms

    (Voter registration ended Monday, and Kentucky doesn't allow voters to switch parties after Dec31'07)

    Get a lot of college Dems at Louisville? Kentucky? Western? Eastern? etc.

  •  asdf (4+ / 0-)

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    OrdinaryGal, RadioGirl, EmmaKY, differance

    I volunteer to canvass at the Woodford Reserve distillery.

    Founder of the Committee to Save asdf

    by droogie6655321 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:39:38 PM PDT

    •  If you need help, I'll serve as (1+ / 0-)

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      droogie6655321

      the official taster.  You know, just to make sure they're not poisoning you.  

      ...just another hooligan from the Dalai clique

      by RadioGirl on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:54:18 PM PDT

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    •  Are you local to Woodford Co? (0+ / 0-)

      I drive by the turnoff from Hwy 60 to the distillery for work most days (and I've taken the tour a couple of times).  I do love some Woodford Reserve.  If you are a Bourbon afficianado, I would recommend that you try Basil Hayden (I'm probably spelling that wrong, I apologize).  It's truly my favorite.  Woodford County is unique however.  I find it oddly conservative (no hotels or motels, very strong zoning regs, and incidentally the location used for most of the movie "Elizabethtown").

  •  As a Lexingtonian... (5+ / 0-)

    Very early in the race Sen. Obama came to Lexington and raised approximately $300K at a public appearance.  This was more than all of the other Dems had raised total.  This was also with a full field.  IMO, Lexington may go for Sen. Clinton, but I think he has a chance here.  At that time (months ago), I looked at his fundraising on FundRace to see who donated to him in cities all over the Commonwealth and found a little here, a little there.  I have always believed that these donations equal votes.  I have never donated to a political race before, but I have given several times to Sen. Obama in amounts that I could afford.  My search on FundRace found donors in Hopkinsville, Madisonville, Northern Kentucky and Paducah (to name only a few). I firmly believe that he should visit Paducah because I think he can gain votes there as I have friends there who are supportive. It seems (again my opinion) that when Sen. Obama goes to an area with some support, that he is able to coalesce the hesitant.  
    I was elected a precinct chair here in Lexington and voted for fellow Obama supporters at the next level.
    Appalachia to me is a mystery and I doubt that he will have great success there.  I ,however, am always hopeful.    

    •  in appalachia he's got to address (2+ / 0-)

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      RadioGirl, EmmaKY

      healthcare, drugs, poverty!

      no flowers, no hope.  Healthcare, drugs, poverty.

      offer up the solutions to solve those issues and increase new jobs, he'll do better than expected there.

      The people of appalachia are poor, poor, poor and in dire straights with Meth addictions, Hep C infections and other serious healthcare issues.

      •  I think that there's a degree of hopelessness (0+ / 0-)

        A friend's mother works in South Eastern Kentucky dealing with the drug epidemic.  She (social worker mother) is really inspirational.  She is comfortable financially and chose to get her MA in social work in her fifties (and her mother got her Ph.D in the same field in her seventies) and headed there to help specifically with the drug (oxycontin/pain meds generally) situation about 6 years ago.  A very real issue that I don't mean to dismiss.  The economy there is incredibly depressed.

    •  I can't help but think that he was... (0+ / 0-)

      on the right track, but so poorly spoke about the bittergate topic.  That comment has become defined as a slam on voters in rural areas... but it was more about a recogntition that the system has been working against small-town working class people... to the degree that they no longer have faith in the government to address their economic concerns... so they prioritize other values... like their rights, particulalry protection of the 2nd amendment, as well as, prioritize their families and communities, and faith... focusing on issues pertaining to those values.  

      All of that, seems like it is what is really happening... it is just unfortunate that he spoke so clumsily, and that the message has been hijacked.

      Am I off???  If not... can he re-visit the subject and get it right with the voters???  Would it help him connect and get support???

      "There is no trickle down, because greed expands to absorb any excess." - Devilstower

      by Rich Santoro on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 01:15:46 PM PDT

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  •  Eh. Obama's going to lose KY by 20 points. (0+ / 0-)

    Everyone knows it.

    "[R]ather high-minded, if not a bit self-referential"--The Washington Post.

    by Geekesque on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:52:03 PM PDT

  •  Thanks for a thoughtful post and for (1+ / 0-)

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    EmmaKY

    all of your hard work.

    In Appalachia he needs to make a real point to talk about the problems of drugs, poor healthcare and poverty which are rampant in those areas.  If he can really be specific and real with the people who live in those areas, and are either out of work or working for coal mines (or Walmart-hit Hillary but don't dismiss the work.), he will do better than anyone expects.  At this time, the mountains don't really know him.  

    Another great point to bring up is the possibility of green jobs (specifically what those are and how they'd fit in the landscape) and the problem of mountaintop removal. People want the jobs and the opportunities but do not want to destroy their ancestral homes.  The culture of appalachia is one that Obama needs to navigate well and really learn.   Also he needs to be simple and specific.

    This seems key to me.  A strong, even if not (yet) winning showing his ability to win some good Appalachian support would be a real breakthrough – and really help our 50-state strategy for the GE.

    Huge thanks and gratitude to all of you Obama supporters in Kentucky.

    ...just another hooligan from the Dalai clique

    by RadioGirl on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:53:39 PM PDT

  •  Hang in there, Kentuckians and W Va'ers. (1+ / 0-)

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    EmmaKY

    Not every place has the demographics for huge victory, but cutting down the lead of HRC in a state where she's overwhelmingly favored  is a huge victory of its own. Every delegate denied her is a victory.  Be not of faint heart, nor of misplaced dispondency. You are doing the good work there.  

  •  Its cause hes black (0+ / 0-)

    Appalachia is not good to black folk. Anyways you volunteers better kick ass especially in those rural areas.

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