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USA Dwarfs Other Nations

Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 06:33:47 PM PDT

Sure, it is true, we are a pretty big country.  Some claim we are the richest nation in the world.  Some claim we are the only "superpower" remaining in the world.  All of the claims are somewhat tenuous, especially considering current economic times, and let's not mention two wars that are straining our military and our budget into extremes.

Tonight, proudly (?) we can proclaim that the USA Dwarfs Other Nations...in...the number of inmates!  That's right, the USA imprisons more people per capita than any other country in the world!  In fact, this little statistic might shock some...

The United States has less than 5 percent of the world’s population. But it has almost a quarter of the world’s prisoners.

Of course, deep down, most of us already knew this, but the New York Times offers us an article on the topic today at http://www.nytimes.com/...

Some other nifty little facts on how we accomplish that dwarfing of the rest of the world...

Americans are locked up for crimes — from writing bad checks to using drugs — that would rarely produce prison sentences in other countries. And in particular they are kept incarcerated far longer than prisoners in other nations.

And wow, for every prison we build, we make sure we can house them (in fairly cramped quarters.  Look at how many we are housing?

The United States has, for instance, 2.3 million criminals behind bars, more than any other nation, according to data maintained by the International Center for Prison Studies at King’s College London.

Here is another fact.  Much as we malign China, the article offers this with their disclaimer...

China, which is four times more populous than the United States, is a distant second, with 1.6 million people in prison. (That number excludes hundreds of thousands of people held in administrative detention, most of them in China’s extrajudicial system of re-education through labor, which often singles out political activists who have not committed crimes.)

Perhaps China has merely perfected what we are attempting to do in Guantanamo Bay, or with our renditions, or our enemy combatants detained in Iraq, Afghanistan and who knows where...

Now you will be pleased in noting that Russia is not far behind our rate of 751 per 100,000...

The only other major industrialized nation that even comes close is Russia, with 627 prisoners for every 100,000 people. The others have much lower rates. England’s rate is 151; Germany’s is 88; and Japan’s is 63.

I encourage all to read the article in its entirety, and to contemplate some other facts not offered by the article.  Think about your local, state and federal taxes, and then think about how much of your tax dollars are spent funding prisons and caring for the prisoners within their walls.  It is an industry all unto itself.

Then, think about those who are imprisoned, some quite needlessly, especially those who are drug addicts where the money spent might be better utilized in rehabilitation efforts.  Think about the cost to those imprisoned who have families.  Longer sentences mean some children might not ever have a mother or father while they are growing up.

Certainly, I don't suggest nobody should be in prison, however, I do believe that as it relates toward some crimes, prison is not useful, nor do I believe in many instances it is actually a deterrent.  

Honestly, I find some shame in the fact that the USA dwarfs other nations in the number we house in prison.  Where is that good old fashioned ingenuity that Americans claim we have...surely...there is a better way!

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  •  As always... (11+ / 0-)

    thoughts, comments, and naturally tips welcome :)

  •  Prison Industrial Complex... (4+ / 0-)

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    alizard, Jagger, LtdEdishn, kurt

    there are towns in upstate New York, and in rural regions of California, where prisons are the greatest source of income.

    In California the prison unions are powerful, and are dead set against any progressive ideas that would be an alternate to incarceration.

    And guess what party they are aligned with- Democrats. And to further make any change impossible the Republicans are the law and order party, so no change there.  When the three strike law ( was being considered)  no one from either party would touch it.

    Our political system does not exactly breed innovation.  To the contrary it forces acceptance of the most simplistic beliefs of the masses.

    But keep wearing those flag pins and all will be fine.

    •  Here in Florida... (3+ / 0-)

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      due to our budget crises, one of the most recent proposals was actually to cut back on the calories of meals served to prisoners, and it is not like they eat that well after all.  Of course, here, if prisoners have access to money, they can buy their food at the commissary.  

      The 3 strikes laws in California, where misdemeanors are counted right along with felonies, simply does not make any sense.

      There is definitely a prison industrial complex, and democratic or republican this system really needs to be challenged.

  •  arodb beat me.... (2+ / 0-)

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    LtdEdishn, kurt

    ...to the punch..

    Three words...Prison Industrial Complex. Just as Oil and the Military Industrial Complex are the only reasons we go to war, money is the reason we lock up such a ridiculous amount of our citizens.

    Now that we are privatizing prisons it is a new neocon method of siphoning money from our treasury to the offshore bank accounts of the richest people of this country.

    And it's bloody despicable.

    "Good to be here, good to be anywhere." --Keith Richards

    by bradreiman on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 06:45:02 PM PDT

    •  Ahh yes... (4+ / 0-)

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      the old privatizing of our prison system.  That is also something familiar in my State.  Many of the juvenile prisons have been so privatized, and the contractors actually have been found to have engaged in sexual activities with the juveniles, or to have abused them, and fail to keep "employees" since slightly over minimum wage is the average pay.  This is working out really well! Ha...

  •  What a sorry damned distinction our country (1+ / 0-)

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    LtdEdishn

    has:  we ought to be sorely ashamed. :-(

    •  I know I am... (1+ / 0-)

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      phrogge prince

      and worse, I seriously believe the system just isn't working.  Harsher prison sentences does not accomplish anything, except locking up more people, destroying more families, and perhaps serving as a training ground for future crime, and may even stirring up hatred in such as our rather famous Jose Padilla (although whether or not he really was a terrorist remains questionable).

  •  I'm sure there's room in prison for 2 more: (2+ / 0-)

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    Jagger, LtdEdishn

    Bush & Cheney.

    That said, our country can reduce the % of people in prison by legalising Marijuana.

    If you strangle an elderly lady, you'll be eligible for gov't aid as soon as your (extremely long) sentence is up. If you're caught with a little baggie of dank, say goodbye to any help from the gov't.

    Rapists are getting out of jail after 5 years of their 20 year sentence is done, so they can make room for people who sell a little pot on the side.

    Money used to imprison drug offenders should be used to combat the CONDITIONS that lead to hard drug use (poverty, poor inner city conditions, &c.)

    (I don't need proof for any of these assertions. My gut says they're right.) I am angry.

    •  I am right there with you... (0+ / 0-)

      Tex.  The "war on drugs" has been an absolute failure in my mind, and frankly, over the years, I have just come to the realization that drugs should be legalized and the money spent for incarceration should instead be utilized for rehabilitation.  

      Our criminal justice system has been turned on its head, and you offer some reference to that in your thought about releasing rapists to make room for drug offenders or dealers.  

      It is time to stop this madness.

  •  Any wonder? (1+ / 0-)

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    LtdEdishn

    Our society is based on a highly competitive, darwinian,law of the jungle capitalism.  This merciless capitalism is combined with an absolutely minimalist social safety net.  Either you succeed or you are abandoned.

    Any wonder, we have people break laws?

    •  Weren't we... (1+ / 0-)

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      Jagger

      as humans supposed to have the intellect and the intelligence to overcome the law of the jungle?  

      If any are watching, we have a new and greatly increasing crime rate in our country, and for the most part it is tied toward economics.  

      Prison is not an answer to recession or depression.

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