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a message of hope

Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:20:30 PM PDT

I'd like to write tonight with a message of hope and a challenge to take action.

I've got a couple things to say right off the bat.

Congratulations to Hillary Clinton and her excellent supporters for their victory in Pennsylvania today.

I know some folks are tempted to blame the voters when things don't go their way. I'm not for that. I happen to like voting; considering the alternatives, I'll take an election any day.

But I do have some thoughts that I'd like to share with you tonight...

First, I'm not going to pretend or explain away vote margins that don't go Barack Obama's way.

Once again, like Ohio, we've got a state where Clinton has won a sea of rural and suburban counties (and metro Pittsburgh going away) and Obama has kept it as close as he could by running large margins in a few (mostly urban) counties and fighting the good fight in some congressional districts where he was sure to lose but benefited from fighting hard to keep the margins tight.

Pennsylvania looks like a 200,000 vote and a 9 point win for Clinton (pending the customary counting of provisional ballots and certification by the Secretary of State.)

In a state like Pennsylvania, in a closed primary and with even more seniors than Ohio, Barack Obama acquitted himself well. If Clinton had won 45.5% of the vote in states where she lost to Obama the overall delegate totals would be much closer right now. They are not.

Obama has ceded at least 10 delegates to Clinton in PA with more to be counted once the at-large and PLEO's are added to the mix. To explain, as Chuck Todd has, that the current delegate margin and popular vote margin in PA is not sufficient to fundamentally change the dynamic of this race is to state what's been obvious since OH and TX finalized their counts.

Senator Clinton will not win the Pledged Delegates or the Popular Vote when all is said and done in June. Her only recourse will be to go to the convention and to contest for MI and FL, states where Barack Obama simply did not campaign and Senator Clinton herself pledged would not count.

Given that, Clinton is no closer to the nomination tonight than she was yesterday; in fact, with every state that she fails to rack up large delegate advantages, she is further away from overtaking Obama. That's the hard truth of Clinton's losses in VA, MD, CO, MN, IA, WI, WA , ME, GA, MS, MO, CT, and NE, ID, AK and on and on and on.

But that's not what I want to address tonight.

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reasons for hope

I want to hark back to something I started this piece with. You can't blame people for voting their perceived self-interest.

That's democracy.

Now, there are those who would propose some alternative to democracy based on some cocktail of the philosophies of Nietzsche, Ayn Rand and a misreading of Plato's Republic or what have you...but I'll take voting and persuasion of my fellow citizens any day.

The question I'd like to pose to folks who support Obama tonight is this: how deep are we in this movement for change?

Are we in this deep enough that we've thought out where we go five, ten and twenty years from now? Are we in this deep enough that we've thought out the scenarios and the hard work we have before us when Barack wins?

How are we going to unite to truly reform health care?
How are we going to unite to forge a peace in Iraq?
How are we going to unite to fight back global warming?
How are we going to come together across lines of race and class to build an equitable economy?

All these goals will take more than the effort of the President.

I remember going to New Hampshire with Jesse Jackson in the 1988 campaign and we talked about how 8% would be a victory since we were at 4% in the polls. We got 8%. And we fought for every last vote. (We narrowly edged out a guy named Albert Gore, Jr. btw.) Yes, ultimately we lost in 1988, but Paul Wellstone paid attention to what we did and used the techniques that Jackson innovated to win a grassroots campaign for the US Senate in Minnesota in 1990.

Things change.

Barack Obama's grassroots campaign won 37% of the vote in New Hampshire in 2008 and lost that primary by less than 8,000 votes. He's currently, whatever Bill and Hillary Clinton and their surrogates would like us to think about the matter, the leader in delegates and the popular vote in 2008.

But this is bigger than Barack Obama for President...

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the stakes

I'm old enough to know something that some of those younger than me often can't quite see.

Those of us inspired by Wellstone and Dean and Edwards and Obama are the future leaders of this nation and the Democratic Party.

When we joined together here on DailyKos to do the Chicago Voices program, I got to see something that those not involved in the day to day administration of that effort could not.

Something is happening in America.

That something is bigger than Barack Obama. It's bigger than DailyKos. It's bigger than the blogs. It's bigger than progressive politics. It's bigger than one election cycle.

Millions of us are getting involved. Millions of us are getting organized and staying organized. And as we do this we are learning.

We are learning not simply how politics works, but we are learning that we have, within ourselves, leadership abilities that we did not initially recognize.

I saw that in the Chicago Voices program. I see that as I meet the volunteers who staff the Barack Obama campaign. I see that in the local bloggers, across the nation, who've made a difference by blogging about politics where it matters, in their own communities.

This powerful new birth of leadership and organization, is, as positive a development as it sounds, not simply a cool trend that we can take for granted...a bonus..it's a necessary development.

The challenges we face as Americans and as citizens of this globe have never been more stark.

The time for forging a lasting coalition committed to progressive change is now. Barack Obama is one part of that process, but his people-powered campaign alone is not sufficient to the task at hand. It's not enough to simply elect Barack Obama President.

We did that once. We elected Bill Clinton and then we "kicked back." What we got for our efforts was a Republican Congress, a Republican President and a political culture that became more conservative year after year. What we have seen in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina on the Gulf Coast and what we see day in and day out in the conduct of the war in Iraq, has been enough to teach us that we need to take a different path.

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there is a better way

We progressives know this in our bones. There's a better way. There's a progressive way of doing politics.

But to see our policies to fruition, to see that they become law, will take something more profound than traditional politics and business as usual.

Barack Obama understands this. It shows in how he's run his campaign.

But we need to do something more.

First, we need to stick together, we need to get unified and organized. We need to consolidate the lessons we've learned. We need to break out of the concept that we all simply work for leaders who run for political office but never consider ourselves up to that task.

If the Barack Obama campaign yields anything in addition to new voters, new volunteers, a revitalized progressive coalition and a new Democratic president...it should also yield new leaders and new elected officials rooted in communities across this land.

And these new leaders will need to pay attention to what just happened in Ohio and Pennsylvania.

Not simply how the corporate media and Rovian politics inserted themselves into the process and distracted us from the common task at hand, but also this fact:

People vote their perceived self-interest.

If we are going to build a multi-racial, multi-regional, multi-generational, multi-class coalition to forge progressive policy in this nation, we need to understand this to the bones. We need to understand the reality of this challenge. We need to listen and learn and organize.

Nothing will change in America or on this planet if we don't reach out to all our brothers and sisters in a language they can understand about how progressive politics works for everyone. Our politics is not just for those who advocate for it most ardently.

We may support net neutrality and sustainable development and mass transit, but that advocacy is empty if we can't successfully link those issues to the mortgage crisis and the war in Iraq and the kitchen table politics of main street and the shopping mall. That linking is empty if we can't make those connections clear in simple and straightforward terms that everyone can understand.

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something to think about

We are at work on something bigger than Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton or John Edwards.

The baby boom generation had the luxury of not having to think about the consequences of burning coal and oil and gas like it was going out of style. Those of us coming after them do not have that luxury. Our children will live with consequences of the choices we make not simply over the next twenty years, but the choices we make right now, over the next two or three or four years.

Will we build a coalition that is able to take effective action, that communicates the importance of changing our energy policy and achieving a sustainable, thriving green economy in clear-cut terms?

Or will we fail?

I don't know the answer to that question.

I support Barack Obama because I want our candidates and our ideas to win.

When one of the Chicago Voices grant recipients challenged me and asked me why I was so involved with electoral politics given all the compromise and the seeming hypocrisy involved, I had a simple answer to that question:

I work on electoral politics because politicians write the laws.

That's no small thing. That's what progressive change is all about. We want new laws and effective regulatory policy. We want to build legislative majorities that create legislation and enact policies that work for every last citizen.

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the challenge

Our challenge is how we communicate what we progressives know and understand to be true in terms that a majority of voters can understand and endorse.

How do our principles and ideals translate into a language that conveys progressive policy in terms of the perceived self interest of the majority of voters?

That's the question, that's the challenge.

I'm not a pollyanna.

What I want, given the stakes and the crisis at hand, is to maximize our effectiveness, to maximize how we organize locally, to bring a new generation of activists together.

I am convinced that Barack Obama is the best candidate to help us do this.

But, to be real, Barack Obama alone is not sufficient. Hell, his campaign has pointed up the challenges any of us face when trying to make progressive change.

The powers that be will distort and degrade and distract and demonize us until the image presented of us will not even resemble what we know to be true or who we see in the mirror.

That's not an excuse, that is our challenge.

Our job is not to tear down, our job is to complete the circle.

And, yes, it's much harder to do the latter than the former.

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we are one people

Barack Obama was right on when he said that. You and I know it's true.

But to communicate that, especially when some of our views have not crossed the chasm to the majority, is the great challenge we all face.

It's on us. Each one of us.

It's 2008. There's no luxury here. There are no easy decades ahead and no easy answers. There's no fat of the land left that we can consume without thought of those who come after.

Our challenge is the same whether we win or whether we lose. We need to understand that deeply. We need to look long to the horizon.

To be honest, I'm not thinking about those of us old enough to make decisions for ourselves. We've lived in the lap of luxury. We've enjoyed the finest fruits of a powerful civilization. We've had the luxury of our days in the sun.

I'm thinking about those who come after us. Our children. Our responsibility. Our hope.

In that light, it's not about who wins or loses a state like Pennsylvania. It's about whether all of us understand the stakes at hand.

It is our job, win or lose, to learn how to communicate that the common interest of humankind is best served by policies that work for all of us.

We are in this together. We need to talk like it. We need to act like it.

And more than seeking to tear down and divide, we need to seek to understand.

That's our message. That's our challenge.

And that's the lesson we need to learn from the verdict of the voters in Pennsylvania.

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  •  Late diary I know (225+ / 0-)

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    but I'm headed off to work tomorrow and knew that I had to get  this off my chest.

    Congrats to Clinton and her volunteers. That's a big win.

    I think we all know, however, that we are in this together.

    We need each other.

    Will we rise to the occasion?

  •  Wow (15+ / 0-)

    Just wow.  

    Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want and deserve to get it good and hard. -=-H. L. Mencken

    by crazyshirley2100 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:27:57 PM PDT

  •  Congratulations to Clinton are in order (23+ / 0-)

    The thing is, I do feel Obama is changing America.  

    As a country we're going to need to be willing to do the kind of work on building and rebuilding that our grandparents generation did after the depression and WW2, to decide that we want to live in an America based on justice and equality.

    Thank you for this reminder k/o.

    And yes, congratulations to Clinton supporters.  

    the third eye does not weep. it knows. Political compass: -9.75 / -8.72

    by mijita on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:28:49 PM PDT

    •  Why should we congratulate Clinton (1+ / 0-)

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      redtex

      for something the voters did?  To do so is to assume she made them vote for her--that they were persuadable.  Perhaps they were.  But, is that a Democratic value?

      Personally, I prefer to think that the people who chose Hillary Clinton did so because they want someone to make decisions for them and, if they are women, because they think a woman, any woman, can make better decisions.

      I don't know if that's a sexist way of looking at things.  Given that there are only two genders and the male one seems to have throughly mucked things up, giving the female a chance to do better makes sense.  You know, you could argue that she's not likely to do worse.  And, at least, you'd have your theory tested.

      How do you tell a predator from a protector? The predator will eat you sooner rather than later.

      by hannah on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 03:08:39 AM PDT

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    •  Why is it in order to congratulate the Clintons? (1+ / 0-)

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      khereva

      What sticks with me is Bill Clinton saying that if we had a real electoral college like the Republicans have (winner take all etc, ie. an even less democratic system as the current democratic primaries already are) than Hillary would have won already.

      The Clintonistas of the Democrats regret that the system can't be more manipulated. That's all there is to it.

      Not a shred of conscience for a real democratic system. I bet you they will all start to whine about that "the current democratic primary rules that don't produce clear results and unquestionable majorities. Wait a couple of days and the fight over that will be full blown and the voters will swallow again a system that is against their own interest.

      I have no respect for Democrats, who are not interested in a standardized, proportional, fair and equal set of nation-wide rules of how primaries and elections for federal offices are run and counted.

      As long as there is no strong group among Democrats to build together with a strong grassroot movement that pushes for change of the electoral college and other constitutional malfunctions in this country, you can forget it.

  •  Each question (22+ / 0-)

    "How are we going to reform health care?"
    By fighting for Congressman Tom Allen to replace Sen, Olympia Snowe in Maine.  Allen has a plan for health and mental screening for returning veterans, and supports progressive health care.

    "How are we going to forge peace in Iraq?"
    By ousting fake moderate GOP Sen. Gordon Smith in Oregon for Steve Novick, who has a plan for getting out of Iraq.  Without exposing and demanding payup from fake "mavericks" in blue states, we will never get to a progressive majority.  We're still a practical minority within the party and lack party majority (50-50 generally speaking in the Senate) and Veto-proof Congress.
     
    "How are we going to fight back global warming?"
    By replacing world infamous  climate denier Senator James Inhofe with progressive Sen. Andrew Rice in Oklahoma

    "How are we going to come together across lines of race and class?"

    By not only showing up at the doors to canvass for Obama, Novick, Rice, Allen, Shaheen et al, but by listening and discussing with the people we need.  The people who've been left behind and forgotten about in Washington.

    Listening is one of the hardest and most important things we can do.  If it were easy we would have already concluded the conversation years ago.

    Republicans believe in gvmt. intervention for bankers and investors, I believe in intervention for the meek and lowly -- Nulwee.

    by Nulwee on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:30:51 PM PDT

  •  well said, kid-oakland (15+ / 0-)

    We need to work and organize for change from within, as you indicate so well - because politicians do write the laws and have the power.  

    But we also should couple this effort with grassroots work and struggle from below.  You are right to warn against placing the entire burden on Obama's (our elected leadership's) shoulders.

    And really, as Barack always says, we can only make change if we all work together.  If the American people are behind him.  

  •  And didn't Elsinora's diary tonight (18+ / 0-)

    here
    about Ashcroft

    just reinforce this--or what?

    In that light, it's not about who wins or loses a state like Pennsylvania. It's about whether all of us understand the stakes at hand.

    All we have that makes it tolerable is each other. (YetiMonk)

    by begone on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:32:11 PM PDT

  •  great diary (15+ / 0-)

    My fellow Obama supporters: let's chill out, let's go back to work to win Indiana and North Carolina, let's not forgot the greater responsbilities that we have to our party and our nation and let's be ready when this nomination fight is over (and one day it will end) to reach out with our fellow Democrats who now support Hillary for the sake of our children.  

  •  Just got off work and came home to (11+ / 0-)

    the news, I felt downhearted until I read this. As always, it is a profoundly inspiring piece. Thanks ko.

    •  My sentiments exactly (2+ / 0-)

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      I awoke early this morning to the news and was scared.  This diary points out the larger picture.  The movement toward change has started.  Every small step is a step closer.

      My six year old asked me last night, "why are we the United States when we have two parties that fight all the time?"  I told him that we're working to change that - to stop the fighting so that we can make work together to make things better.  

      Even the very young are inspired.  

      Thanks KO.

      When Bush Took Office, Gas Was $1.46

      by diddosMN on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 05:29:59 AM PDT

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  •  We can't wait to party or sleep (5+ / 0-)

    once Obama gets the nomination or the presidency (definitely me included), but KO's diary and the challenges show that getting Bush & Cheney out of office is only the beginning of one long hard and dedicated slog toward real postive change for our planet,economy, and constituion.

  •  Congratulations? (16+ / 0-)

    I don't think so.  The NYT in today's editorial said it best:  Clinton won using GOP tactics straight out of KKKarl's Rove playbook.  Then on top of that, she threated to "obliterate" Iran.  C'mon, how can any Democrat support blatant pandering to warmongerers?

    Obama's campaign need to realise this:  You win primaries with the politics you have, not the politics you want.  The general election is here, and the Republican, is Hillary Clinton.  Treat her as such.

  •  A key difference between the two (24+ / 0-)

    candidates, is that:

    HRC thinks that she has to FIGHT to win this nomination AND, that she has to "fight for us!"

    While BHO is showing us that this is about CHANGE--changing the way we run campaigns, and CHANGING politics in general, and the key component of the change is that WE ALL NEED TO BE INVOLVED!!!!!

    This is not a fight--it's an effort and a responsibility. If WE want better government, then WE have to work for it.

    It won't be handed to us, that's for sure.

    HOPE: It's the new black.

    by Samwoman on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:37:14 PM PDT

  •  Learning more about "rural America" (10+ / 0-)

    I must admit having developed a passion for RA ever since that 'flap'. It made me realize that not many posts are devoted to that subject here at Kos. To be fair, I do not spend that much time reading diaries so that I may be mistaken.

    Perhaps the time has come to have something like a 'rural kos' (like 'black kos' or 'street prophets'). During my Internet travels across Rural America, for example, I came upon this very interesting post. I also discovered The Rural Populist, a great site. There is so much going on there that I have not found here at DK, which I think the Kos community would benefit from, and perhaps help bridge the urban/rural divide, at least the political one.

    I already posted the link to a poignant documentary on rural America. I think I'll do it again. Here it is.

    So that's one of the many things that could be done, IMO, to reach out to other constituencies.

    •  I lived in rural PA (wayne county) (5+ / 0-)

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      not real wealthy. sort of heavy with retired folk.   get their news from newspapers, radio, and tv (not that much cable) and not many on the Internet.

      organized religion (church) is a community survival force.  The grange is also great.

      good people in the main, not stupid...but the above news sources are no longer adequate as you know.  

      They don't know Hillary is a liar.  They think she is tough and straight like they are.  

  •  Obliterate Iran (6+ / 0-)

    Really--she got away with this because of all this fuss over PA?

    But as much as I admire Kid Oakland, I don't share his charity towards PA voters, because that's where I'm from.  And they reminded me why I left.

    Really--one of the prime reasons there are so many old people there (and I fit every demographic a male can of a Clinton voter, including age)is that young people have left.  And it's not just because of a lousy economy.  One of the reasons it has a lousy economy is that too much of the state is close minded, hostile to imagination and innovation, with several varieties of racism to boot. I got sentimental about the place during Obama's bus and train trips.  No more.

    "The end of all intelligent analysis is to clear the way for synthesis." H.G. Wells "It's not dark yet, but it's getting there." Bob Dylan

    by Captain Future on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:43:12 PM PDT

    •  No, she's not going to get away with it. (2+ / 0-)

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      Clinton's win in PA will net her a few days of positive press, (possibly) enough cash to continue to NC and IN, and probably keeps some SuperDelegates on the fence.

      But once the buzz wears off the Clinton campaign has some harsh realities to face. In order to keep Obama from ending things in PA she:

      1. had to stoke historic divisions in the Democratic coalition in ways that are certain to weaken any Democrat running in the general.
      1. declared herself to be to John McCain's right on MidEast security policy.
      1. ramped up her negative rating by nore than 10 points  and cratered her own honest/credible rating.
      1. spend every dime she had.

      All of that, and all she got on the deal was the chance to live to fight another day in a race that, even by her own shifting measures, she's still very unlikely to win.

      Point is, there's going to be a serious backlash coming as the artificial deadline wears off and people begin to realize that her chances of winning haven't really improved but she has weakened both herself and Obama in the longer term.

      The goal is not to bring your adversaries to their knees but to their senses. -- Mahatma Gandhi

      by kingubu on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 03:08:35 AM PDT

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      •  Buzz will be gone tomorrow ... (0+ / 0-)

        If Barack and the media move toward serious issues. Sen Clinton's security and foreign policy credentials as a Democrat of any ilk are sorely lacking if nuclear obliteration is her immediate answer to a nuclear threat by Iran.  Sickening.

        Olbermann challenged her about this Monday night, which gave her the opportunity to soften her previous statements.  But, no, she basically enhanced what she said previously by re-explaining the context and rational for her (and Lee Feinstein's) umbrella plan.  And, we thought George W Bush was dangerous?

        It would be rather hard for her to repudiate her Iraq war note, wouldn't it?  She's a hawk with earmarks for the military-industrial complex to prove it.

        Rooibos!!! -6.12, -6.10

        by lns1122 on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 10:03:23 AM PDT

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    •  I'm with you (1+ / 0-)

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      I think you're absolutely right about the close-mindedness and hostility. I moved here 25 years ago and it hasn't changed at all since I've been here. The kids keep on leaving - my own sons can't wait to get out - and they don't come back. This morning I'm feeling plenty bitter about Pennsylvania.

  •  Cross post this to mydd (2+ / 0-)

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    "Stop the drama. Vote Obama!"

    by Number5 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:45:12 PM PDT

  •  9.4 points.. (2+ / 0-)

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    as it currently stands, not 10 points.  if you want to round, go to the nearest whole number, k ko?

  •  quick note -- looks more like 8 points not 10 (26+ / 0-)

    i haven't read your full diary yet but i wanted to drop that note off before sitting down to read it.

    Earlier in the evening, I thought Clinton was on her way to a 10-point victory.

    Looks like that won't be happening. Instead, she'll probably win by eight points -- a pretty big let-down for Clinton folks who had really set their sights on a 10-point win and went to bed last night thinking they had accomplished their goal.

    (She currently leads by 8.5 points, but given that most of the votes left to be tabulated are in pro-Obama counties, I'd expect her lead to shrink.)

    An 8 point victory would be a 2.5 point drop-off from her Ohio performance.

    Given that Pennsylvania was supposed to be a better state for her than Ohio, that's going to be hard for her to explain. As a refresher, here are some of her advantages:

      1. She positioned herself as a favorite daughter with her strong family ties to Scranton.
      2. Pennsylvania has a closed primary, restricted to registered Democrats. (In Ohio, 20% of voters were independents, a group Obama won.)
      3. Obama endured the worst six-week stretch of his campaign (Jeremiah Wright, Bitter-gate, terrible debate).
      4. The media was clearly rooting for her to do well.
      5. Clinton won the endorsement of the Scaife-owned Pittsburgh Tribune-Review. (Okay, snark.)

    Given all those advantages, the fact that she actually lost about a fifth of her lead in Ohio is really bad news for her campaign. She's already far behind, and can't afford to fall further behind the pace.

    All in all, Obama seems to have actually had a stronger performance than the initial numbers would have indicated.

    The Jed Report | Barack Obama for President

    by JedReport on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:46:30 PM PDT

    •  cnn still has the 10 point spread n/t (0+ / 0-)

    •  And hasn't the idea been (1+ / 0-)

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      bandied about that with a single digit win the supers will begin to move to Obama? Hasn't the story been that pressure will be brought for her to drop out in such a scenario?

      Is anyone expecing that to happen if you are right and her lead drops to single digits?

      "It's the bottom of the ninth and the rookie is pointing at the bleachers in center field.' --Stroszek, Dkos

      by kpardue on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 02:14:56 AM PDT

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    •  I don't disagree with your points, but.... (3+ / 0-)

       3. Obama endured the worst six-week stretch of his campaign (Jeremiah Wright, Bitter-gate, terrible debate).
       4. The media was clearly rooting for her to do well.

      what I just don't understand is why the media is so complicit in the campaign to bring Obama down.  I know, I know, there are all sorts of theories about the MSM, but look at the three things you listed as being so rough for Obama and add Ayers in there too.

      Rev Wright was totally media manufactured.  They were the ones that scoured the videos and hacked them up to create the completely false picture.  And then they played them over and over and over and over, for the sole purpose of hurting Obama, even after every single one of them knew that they were running extremely prejudicial material.  Why?  Faux I can understand doing it but why did every single other tv outlet run them a zillion times?  It wasn't as if Obama had even said those words.

      Bittergate, another totally manufactured controversy.  Every thinking pundit knew what Barack meant with his statement and yet to this day they continue to misquote him and repeat the same false shit.  

      Ayers. Same thing.  It's all so gotcha, so trumped up.  Virtually every politician that has been around for twenty or thirty years has some connection, however tenuous, with someone who was involved in some way with the anti-war and/or civil rights actions of those days.  Barack's connection is very tenuous but he's being held to some kind of a ridiculous standard.

      I know the Clintons are unabashedly duplicitous and will stoop to any level to kneecap their opponent regardless of the fact that their own skeletons are far more numerous and distasteful.  If Barack wasn't such an honorable upright guy, he'd be hitting back with sleaze ten times worse than what the Clintons are drumming up.  But what astounds me is how the media is aiding and abetting the Clintons to such a frightening degree.  I don't think they hate Obama, most seem to think he's a good person.  I don't think they like the Clintons all that much, not like they are all buddy buddy with McCain.  I honestly don't think they're racist, at least not most of them.  Surely they don't think they're being 'journalists' trying to scoop a big story - most of it is just a big copycat game where if one person runs a story the others all do too so as not to be left behind.  Are they all so scared of the Clintons they feel they have to make sure they over compensate on negativity about Barack so that they're not accused of bias by the clamoring Clinton mouthpieces?

      I'm not suggesting that these stories about Obama should be or should have been ignored but the firestorms of these 'controversies' have been totally out of proportion to the attention they merited.  I just don't understand it.  The media is so receptive to all the Clinton talking points.  Should Barack be doing something different?  Should his people be screaming louder themselves?  Something needs to be done to change the narrative though.

      Sorry.  I didn't mean to write a novel about this but I just am so frustrated by the situation, it all spilled out.

      "He's not an African American candidate, he's an American candidate." - 82 yr old Jean Weiss on CNN

      by vernonbc on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 02:25:53 AM PDT

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      •  The media is not trying to bring Obama down (4+ / 0-)

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        Well, maybe Fox and a few Republicans like Joe Scarborough. What the media wants is to maximize ad buys. They want to make more money. Nothing more.

        •  Of course they are: to shoo in McCain. (1+ / 0-)

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          They know McCain can't beat Obama. And they know he'll tear Hillary to shreds.

          So you can expect them to keep stumping for her until there's a nomination in her pocket.

          So long as men die, Liberty will never perish. -- Charlie Chaplin, "The Great Dictator"

          by khereva on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 04:54:09 AM PDT

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        •  No (4+ / 0-)

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          That ABC debate wasn't just about ratings. It was about the sensibilities of the moderators, who truly believe that they serve the public good. Those sensibilities are cynical, racist and Clintonian.

          Here's the test: If they wanted ratings, they'd press Hillary about David Coe. It's far more explosive than anything they've thrown at Barrack. And it would run ratings sky high due to the great drama of a fascist Christian cult conspiring to subvert our democracy. People would watch that show, hour after hour, day after day.

      •  Because story is about conflict.... (2+ / 0-)

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        And the news depts.  of the major networks (broadcast and cable both) are competing on the same advertising-driven markets as the producers of sitcoms and dramas. Scripts in fictional shows are crafted around dramatic high points at commercial breaks to keep people from changing the channel at commercials. But the news media can't quite control the script that closely (though they do make a good effort at spacing their news around the breaks.)

        Conflict and tension/suspense is what keeps a viewer glued to the screen -- and it's all about ratings. The news media isn't looking for the news that's important anymore -- they're looking for the news that keeps audiences hooked.  And these stupid, unimportant issues that get an emotional reaction from viewers, even if that reaction is negative, is what they're using for plot points. Because the goal isn't to inform the viewers, it's to keep them tuned in so the advertisers get an audience.

        So in a political contest, just as with the so-called "reality" shows, it's controversy that sells. Appealing to the emotions of viewers, not their reason. Reinforcing their views about themselves as good people, not at fault for their problems; giving them a target (or scapegoat) for those problems, feeding their sense of outrage at things they feel are morally wrong or questionable, or their suspicions about people who are different, without making them question their own perceptions of the world.  

        It's not news, it's entertainment -- and petty but emotionally grabbing snippets that focus on the ongoing conflict are what keeps people coming back to find out more, instead of doing or watching something else. The continuing primary season has been a huge boon for the news media -- they're all for milking every last drop of ratings out of it, regardless of what that does to the real purpose of the race, which is to establish who will be the next government.

        •  I agree with all you've said Janet, but what I (0+ / 0-)

          don't get is why it's mostly anti-Obama and the Clinton shit gets only a minor mention.  I mean, nuke Iran to obliteration????  You don't think that would get people's attention and be good for a ratings bump?  Bill's millions from China?  Why is an obscure connection to a 60's radical more attention grabbing?  I've never been one to see a conspiracy around every corner but this whole media disparity has certainly got me wondering what's going on.

          "He's not an African American candidate, he's an American candidate." - 82 yr old Jean Weiss on CNN

          by vernonbc on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 04:12:32 PM PDT

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      •  The Media's Interests (0+ / 0-)

        Remember what the mainstream media's objectives are:

        1. Make money
        1. Make more money
        1. MAKE EVEN MORE MONEY!!!

        Television, radio and print media make their money via advertising.  The more people pay attention to a story the more ads that story sells.  The media has a vested interest in a close race.  If one candidate appears to be breaking away, then it's time to knock 'em back with some sleazy story which drops their polling back down closer to their opponent's.  If the media bosses had their way this thing would go all the way to the convention, complete with fistfights on the floor and riots in the streets.  

        Also, sleazy stories attract viewers.  The more viewers, the more ads you sell.  The mainstream media doesn't give a shit who wins.  They're just trying to milk this thing for all the cash they can while it lasts.

        "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -Ghandi

        by Triscula on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 06:43:32 AM PDT

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  •  Nice diary (4+ / 0-)

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    As always...

    Maintaining hope is an important thing, just like taking responsibility and getting involved.

  •  You've struck the right tone... (3+ / 0-)

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    Clinton supporters are Democrats.  They are our friends and relatives.  They are adult voices with the right to vote their conscious - what ever that may be.

    I learned to stop worrying for Barack after  the his Philly Race Speech. He learns fast and he knows how to take care of himself.  

    Everything will work out fine.

  •  Kid, I agree with almost all that you suggest (7+ / 0-)

    especially with respect to the overarching theme before us all, and with the realization that we are not just electing a president.

    however,

    At the moment I cannot congratulate the Clinton campaign. I can neither congratulate the illusory win nor the means used to acquire it.

    I don't blame the voters of PA. Many of them voted their self-interest as you say. And that is what needs to be changed. I think that's also what brought about bittergate after Baracks's comments. There is too much "I" or "me" in our considerations and not enough we as Barack so often mentions in his words to us. Most all of those people tonight missed a chance at voting for a new paradigm, and for an enlarged future for themselves.

    There were others as well in PA, who were open and willing enough to take a chance on our collective future, and many as well who spent time in the trenches convincing others to take that same leap with us.

    I am more than heartened by the latter group, but I am not discouraged by the former. Change requires that we also understand the nature of change itself. It is not always something easily won and it certainly can be a long hard slog.

    Onward...

    I like a little rebellion now and then. It is like a storm in the atmosphere ~ Thomas Jefferson

    by valadon on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:15:32 AM PDT

  •  I'm in (10+ / 0-)

    VA

    I can't change the primary as it stands. However I found out tonight that I will be going out to dinner with 4 people who either voted for Hillary or didn't vote. I feel exhausted just typing that. They are hard to convince, but I will. I promise everyone reading this post that one dinner with me will guarantee 7 votes in rural VA for Obama in the general. I've given $800 already but I live too remotely to give much as far as time goes. Our little county went strong for him. I gave money for other places. I am relentless with my friends in Ohio and Florida. I haven't made a noticeable mark there but for fracks sake, I have dial up, I can't do online and phone at the same time.

    I need drinks and cats.

  •  kid oakland...i'm speechless (4+ / 0-)

    this is so good.  thank you so much for posting it.

  •  Once again, the graceful wisdom of Kid Oakland (8+ / 0-)

    puts things in their proper perspective.  Thanks!

    Coming on 1/20/09: the finest inaugural address since 1961, (or possibly even 1861). Set your Tivos now.

    by Rick in Oz on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:33:04 AM PDT

  •  Brilliant and eloquent, as usual (8+ / 0-)

    I have a daughter flying home to CA from Pa tomorrow - feeling a little down, wondering if the last couple of weeks of 12 hour days calling strangers and knocking on doors, canvassing the West End of Pittsburgh for Obama, has really accomplished anything.

    I'll share this with her - it'll help put it all into perspective. It's too easy to get caught up in the wins and losses, and to lose track of the importance, the worthiness - the fierce necessity - of the process.

    Thanks for the longer view.

    That which unites us is, must be, stronger than that which divides us. RFK

    by Sinocco on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:41:46 AM PDT

    •  The primaries "ain't" over... (2+ / 0-)

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      ... and Obama will be the nominee for the general.

      What he showed in Pennsylvania confirms it. HRC didn't win by fifteen or twenty per cent going away. Obama picked apart large segements of the demographics.

      HRC will lose NC; Kentucky and the others will be close.

      And Obama will prevail in the general as well.

      The seer has spoken!

      A Poet is at the same time a force for Solidarity and for Solitude --Pablo Neruda

      by justiceputnam on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 12:49:43 AM PDT

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      •  Hillary will win Kentucky huge... (1+ / 0-)

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        if it comes to that.

        NC and pssoibly Indiana could be Obama wins, and Oregon too.

        But West Virginia and Kentucky will go heavily for Clinton. Appalachia will not vote for a black person, period.

        •  well, if Appalachia is not to vote for (2+ / 0-)

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          a black person, I think we should bring that up to the forefront and Obama should ask them why.

          May be it's time to hold the good people from West Virginina and Kentucky accountable for their misperceptions and prove their argumentations for their resistance to vote for a black person, who would certainly be more honest in fighting FOR their own interests than they are believe Hillary Clinton would, to be a self-destructive trap.

          It should be the next major task to convince these die-hard no-black-no-liberal-no-socialist-the-American-way-or-no way voters to understand that their behavior is self-destructive. The Obama camp would have to put these questions on national TV like you would put the self-destructive behavior of an addict up in a therapy session.

          Nobody in the world can understand why the class of people, who are burdened the most with the "blessings" of profiteering, so-called competitive capitalism and corporatism, just LOVES to be treated unfairly and miserably and just loves to be trapped in an unpriviledged underclass.

          •  So how do you hold a person (0+ / 0-)

            accountable for using racist or sexist criteria when voting?

            Look, if I have my coal mine job and can get a deer tag once a year, I don't consider myself to be unpriviledged or underclass...just a working stiff vot'n for Byrd and that Rockiefellow guy...

            "I do think it is kind of sad when everybody who owns a laptop thinks they are Thomas Paine" Redlief take on Helen Thomas, 2008

            by redlief on Wed Apr 23, 2008 at 05:36:17 AM PDT

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            •  not sure if I understand your comment (0+ / 0-)

              I don't say that the good folks, who look like they vote based on racial or sexual preference, are racist or sexist more than others, nor do I think they actually are more racist or more sexist.

              Everybody has his sexist or racist guts feelings somewhere, so it's even not worth mentioning it, because they are within us, no matter what, in ALL the people.

              But usually, people vote for their own good interests more than for some vague guts feelings of mistrust against the other gender or the other race, when they are able to see that their own good interests are better represented by the candidate that they would otherwise mistrust. Do the people realize that they don't vote for their own interests?

              They fall for the trap presented by the "top political talking heads and party leaders", who offer them a seemingly reasonable replacement argument for voting against their own interest.

              I wonder if people really understand how the electoral college system is cheating them out of a fair vote that reflect their political will from the bottom up.

              Obama is a constitutional lawyer, he should be able to prove and make a case about the failing electoral system that exists and that consistantly undermines a grassroot, bottom-up, fair and proportional representation of the population's vote.

              There is a systemic problem with your electoral college that undermines the democratic process and apparently nobody gets it, nobody makes it clear and nobody pushes for a legal change. Obama should show his legal face, not only his inspirational one.

              Obama has to push for a bottom-up legal change and challenge to the electoral college in a way that indicates it's his agenda to make the system more democratic when he becomes President.

              I bet you that there will be a big spin master plan in the coming days of how fair or unfair it is to not place the FL and MI delegates and all kind of shenanigans to obfuscate from the underlying problem that the primary rules are just a mess of rules made from the top down within the party, instead of a bottom-up standardized, accountable, nation-wide set of regulation that would make the primary process and the whole electoral college something resembling a democratic, reasonable and fair process.

              Ok, that's a bit convoluted and long and I am not American, but I tell you if that kind of electoral system would be imposed on me in home country, I would be on the streets and fight it tooth and nails.

          •  I'm sorry, but.... (2+ / 0-)

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            I grew up in Appalachia (northern WV). Before I left the area, met people with differing POVs while in college and grad school, and matured, I was not a good person. I said, did, and believed a lot of terrible things I am embarrassed to admit to this day. No crimes were committed, but that's no excuse. I won't get into specifics, but I am not proud of my behavior. That being said, there are a lot of people in my hometown who think nothing of saying and believing terrible things. Even good people will hold on to racism and prejudice. My grandmother was incensed that an interracial couple moved into the apartment next door to her several years ago. She was relieved that they moved out and were