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Are we in denial about the wounds of the 60's?

Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 05:59:08 PM PDT

Harold Meyerson touches a sore nerve in his column  Back to The '60s in yesterday's WaPO.  Here I am, 72 years old, and wondering why so many people over 60 rejected Senator Obama's appeal in the Pennsylvania primary.  To me the choice has become clear if we are to truly take a chance on change rather than vote for the same ol'  same ol' establishment stuff again.  Mr. Meyerson seems to be thinking along the same lines.  Many of you were either very young or not yet born when the 60's we so often hark back to actually happened.  Believe it or not we can learn something from that very different time in American history.  Look below the fold to see why I say that.

Meyerson starts his column with these words:

Throughout American history, the Democratic Party has had one unhappy distinction: It has been home to more of the major fault lines dividing the United States than any other institution.

The Jacksonian Democrats of the early 19th century split into sectional branches over their inability to resolve their differences on slavery. (Abraham Lincoln was elected in 1860 because he faced three regional Democratic opponents in that year's election.) In the 1920s, the Protestant-Catholic divide turned the party into two rival camps: Catholic-dominated urban political machines and the white Protestant South. And by the late 1960s, the New Deal coalition had been torn asunder by the party's embrace of civil rights and the fight over the war in Vietnam.

The fault lines of the '60s persisted for decades, not least because the linchpin of Republican electoral strategy since 1968 has been to paint the Democrats as peaceniks of questionable patriotism and as cultural elitists indifferent if not hostile to the white working class. The divisions also resurfaced in the party's own presidential primaries, where candidates staked out their turf either on the side of such working-class concerns as protecting industry or expanding health care (as did Walter Mondale, Dick Gephardt and Tom Harkin) or on the side of the foreign policy and environmental concerns presumably more dear to the party's upscale professionals (as did Gary Hart, Paul Tsongas and Bill Bradley).

 It was a Democrat about whom we chanted:

Hey!
Hey!
LBJ
How many kids did you kill today?

 Even though the war ended up in the slimy hands of "Tricky Dick", the Democratic party had suffered deply as did the left as a whole over that war and the Six Day War in the Middle East.

I was naive enough to believe that the country as a whole had gotten over the deep divisions and ugly sores that were caused by that imperialist excursion of our National leaders.  The Kerry defeat in 2004 showed me just how raw those sores still are.  I guess I had been in denial for some time, living a relatively normal life compared to the traumatic and frantic life activists lived in that period.  Deep as the divisions were then, they still seem more "honest" than what we are confronted with now.  What the right has accomplished since then seems unbelievable except that I taste its bitter bile every day.  

Meyerson's take is a bit different:

And as 2008 loomed, Democrats had every reason to think that this year's contest would be smoother yet. The multiple disasters of the Bush presidency had unified the Democrats around a more populist, activist economics at home and a more prudential, multilateral foreign policy abroad.

Programmatically, that unity is still there.

 Here, where I live, the rural community that is rapidly becoming a rather mutant suburb is not reflective of that unity.  Those of us who are progressives still tread lightly because not too many years ago democrats of any stripe were afraid to come out of the closet in places like this.  This observation by Meyerson is no news to me living here:

But as the party staggers away from the Pennsylvania primary, it finds itself stuck inside some time machine that is dragging it back toward the divisions of the 1960s. Hillary Clinton's attacks on Barack Obama -- chiefly, that he's not going to be strong on national defense -- echo the accusations that Scoop Jackson and his followers leveled at the antiwar candidates of the '60s and '70s. Though the divisions between Clinton and Obama on foreign policy are small, Clinton's attacks are part of a larger assault on Obama's trustworthiness that she and the Republicans are both waging and that is designed to position Obama on the side of the elitist insurgents of the '60s. The newly suspect Obama had an angry old black pastor, doesn't wear a flag pin and served on a board with a onetime Weatherman.

We've heard all this before, of course, this Sixties-ization of Democrats: Bill Clinton opposed the Vietnam War and got out of the draft. John Kerry, according to people who made a career of vilifying him, didn't deserve his Vietnam medals and then had the temerity to oppose that war, too.

 As I watched the county by county map of Pennsylvania Tuesday night, I could not help but feel I was right back there in the 60's wishing that this sick (thank you Reverend Wright!) country would grow up and act like a mature being rather than an adolescent looking for someone to dump on.  County by county reflected the same racial tensions and the same distorted notion of patriotism that we faced in the '60s.  How much has really changed?

Meyerson ends on a note of hope:

The Republican strategy for this year, which Clinton is abetting, is simply to keep the Democrats polarized, in the hope that white working- and middle-class voters will feel estranged from Obama (still the likely nominee) on the grounds of culture and race, and therefore vote for John McCain. The Democratic strategy is to remind voters that there actually are major issues in this election -- the war, the economic marginalization of the middle class, the declining power of the American economy -- on which Obama's positions make a lot more sense than McCain's. Democrats overcome their civil wars when the economy permits them to. This year, it just might.

 A rather weak note of hope, I'd say.  Maybe it is because where Meyerson is the same undercurrent of tension that has survived the lull after the '60s is as apparent as it is here.  I have hope.  We have changed this community and the Commonwealth of Virginia has been making progress.  We have a lot of healing to do before I'll relax.  Lot's of work ahead.   Young people, you need to look at where this all comes from.  One good source is the period of turmoil some of us old codgers lived through back then.  Listen to me!  When, at the age of 30 I was the leader of an umbrella anti-war/civil rights coalition that encompassed the greater Buffalo, N.Y. area, we looked at some of the old timers and called them "the walking wounded" I was too young and fiesty to ever think I'd be in that position myself.  I have mixed feelings about the fact that this mess will be yours and I'll not be here.  Good luck!

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  •  TIP JAR (20+ / 0-)

    a rec for one of today's "walking wounded"?

    An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

    by don mikulecky on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:00:00 PM PDT

    •  I work with an extremely... (9+ / 0-)

      liberal attorney, who was actually a Vietnam War protester.  I have been married to a Vietnam Vet (now divorced), and my better half today is also a Vietnam Vet; but I actually came of age a decade later.  

      For me, I have learned to view the 60s from an outsider's perspective with a bit of help from "insiders".  Because of my age, and personal acquaintances, I happen to know a lot of people who were "adults" during the 60s, even while I was a child.  All of those people remained "democrats", even while understanding Johnson's "lie".

      Oddly enough, when I was younger, when Reagan became President, the one thing I gave him credit for was restoring a sense of "pride".  I never voted for him, but I understood his appeal, especially for the "Reagan Democrats".  He did offer a sort of healing, but in that healing, he also offered a lot of destructive policies, that were continued through Bush #41, and I won't even go into that here.

      In any event, the liberal attorney I mentioned early on began discussing with me why our very early 21st century so closely mirrors what he was protesting in the 60s, and almost makes him want to return to the streets.  The only difference he frequently points out is that there is no "draft".

  •  Great Diary (5+ / 0-)

    Being born in the 60s I don't understand why the heat about weathermen etc. This explains a lot of the history.

    Save Our Daughters Let's tear John McCain's hopes and dreams to shreds.

    by kiki236 on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:08:22 PM PDT

  •  The young one's need your wisdom.... (5+ / 0-)

    They don't teach history in the schools anymore...at least not the kind of history that they need to learn.

    Racism is an ugly and unhealed wound in this nation.  The Clinton's have peeled off the scab and thrown salt into the wound.  

    History will record that.

    Now Don, you listen to me.  We never die if we change one thing in this world for the better.  

    You are one small, if not unimportant, part of this whole movement.

    Welcome.

  •  The wounds may be real (2+ / 0-)

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    But they are being currently stoked by a media that has a vested interest in playing along with the Republican/Hillary strategy of making Democrats look like unrepentant Sixties radicals. It's deeply ahistorical and a complete waste of time.

    Even worse, of course, are the people who are actually influenced by this media stuff. I study the 1960s for a living (I'm a historian) and I know full well that those who lived through it remain very powerfully influenced by the events of that era.

    But we're not really being asked to discuss the real wounds and divisions of the '60s, but instead being asked to make judgments based on the media's parroting of a Republican caricature of that era.

    All that aside, maybe it's because I'm 28, but it does seem to me that at some point we as a society need to move on from the 1960s, and cease viewing everything around us today through the lens of a very, very, VERY different era. History isn't about continuity, it is about change. The most significant historical actors are those who understand this and who successfully produce change.

    I'm not part of a redneck agenda - Green Day
    Neither is California High Speed Rail

    by eugene on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:17:58 PM PDT

    •  This is what Lakoff has been teaching us (1+ / 0-)

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      The right has spend millions and lots of time learning how to frame issues to get the public to see things their way.  We need to work hard to frame these same issues correctly.  Please see: Rockridge Nation is departing

      An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

      by don mikulecky on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:24:58 PM PDT

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    •  We can't move on until our problems are healed (5+ / 0-)

      and they won't be healed as long as people and the media keep pretending they don't exist, and that we who object to the offenses are lunatics.

      We still have needless war and slaughter. We still have racism and sexism. We still have poverty, and those who think people who are poor somehow deserve to be.

      We DFHs were right in the 60s. We're still right.

      And you are right about the media's caricatures of us. They keep the exhibitionistic parts, but leave out every bit of the altruism and deep commitment to a better world that were the heart and soul of the movement.

  •  By the way Don... (3+ / 0-)

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    Would you be interested in helping us planning our "Hands around the Denver Convention Center Campaign?"

    It's a peaceful demonstration we are billing as a "group hug" intended to remind those inside who they're working for outside.

  •  Halfway (4+ / 0-)

    disagree.  I believe that our greatest strength is also our greatest challenge:  that we can be a party which embraces all sorts of disagreements also makes us a party that is easily divided.

    Is there any easy solution?  No.  But I will tell you this:  when/if the Democratic Party stops embracing the diversity that also divides us, I will stop being a Democrat.  You want me to walk lockstep for Obama?  No.  Nor would I for Hillary.

    I ain't sayin'...I'm just sayin'....

    Our economy is a house of cards. Don't breathe.

    by Youffraita on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:21:39 PM PDT

    •  Yes. Our diversity is our strength, (2+ / 0-)

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      It also can be and is being exploited to harm us. The answer is not to eschew diversity, but to learn to accept it without misusing it.  We need some lessons on what true diversity is.  It is not a place to stick a knife!

      An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

      by don mikulecky on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:28:25 PM PDT

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      •  Of course not. But do not mistake (1+ / 0-)

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        disagreements within the party, and the knives that are being stuck in us by, well, el chimpo, Rove-the-criminal, McCain the congenital liar, and--of course--Cheney (I shoot my best friends in the face) Cheney.

        We may agree to disagree.  They want to (metaphorically) kill us.

        Our economy is a house of cards. Don't breathe.

        by Youffraita on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:33:10 PM PDT

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        •  After the '60s I'd drop the "metaphorically" (2+ / 0-)

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          Lot's of us died or were beaten and harmed then.  Then there was Joe McCarthy.  These people play for keeps.  

          Now, lately we have had Lieberman and now....
          Some of them are among us.

          An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

          by don mikulecky on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:41:08 PM PDT

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  •  thanks. A great diary. (3+ / 0-)

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    I was just a little kid in the 60s but my parents were beatniks. My Dad worked with Timothy Leary. So I remember that time.

    "Big boss man..you ain't so big, just tall, that's all." And McCain is the boss!

    by TheFatLadySings on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:22:32 PM PDT

  •  what is interesting about clinton (6+ / 0-)

    is that she reverted to her pre-democratic Goldwater girl nerd days in this process....the kid who scoffed at protests against the war and against the Establishment....till she met the cool Hippie Dude who would be her husband.

    She did what women did then, lived vicariously through him, guided him thru office.....realizing that as a woman she would not get the chances he would.....and now finally when it is her turn, that young black kid steals her thunder.....

    This is so personal for her and all the women like her of my generation......but her anger should be directed at the men who denied her, not the young man who ushers in another time.

  •  I wasn't a live in the 60's (2+ / 0-)

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    but I was fascinated in grad school with the question of 'what happened, how did we get from there to here?'

    My conclusion is the left won some important battles but lost the war, badly.  

    The left lost in a couple ways:

    1. Co-optation
    1. Outright defeat and reversal of progress
    1. Cultural was dissociated from economic

    The wounds that remain are there because even though the left was defeated, the defeat wasn't complete and the co-optation wasn't complete either.  However, the left has not been able to bring the cultural and the economic back together.  

    •  Well the Super Rich Have Taken Over the World (1+ / 0-)

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      Remember both the New Dealers and the post Boomers after us were fighting us tooth and nail.

      New Dealers ran the Vietnam War, and when we their kids wouldn't fight it for them, they launched the Reagan Revolution. This was the prime of their economic and political power.

      And coming just behind us boomers were the Alex Keaton post boomers, so many of whom had been persuaded by the economics of greed.

      We were outnumbered. Completely outnumbered.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:40:56 PM PDT

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    •  Sometimes I think the 60's ended with George (2+ / 0-)

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      McGovern's defeat in 1972. For me (up to that point), change was still possible.  After that, it's been downhill most of the way.

  •  The Civil war is still divisive in the South (3+ / 0-)

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    It tore Brother from Brother. Viet Nam tore Parents from Children. And the problem is that the fuckin 'publicans have pushed the lie that Democrats lost the war to cover up the fact that Nixon and the war criminal Kissinger continued the war to help his re-election.

    Personal Freedoms: Born 1215. Wounded 2001. Died 2006. Resurrected: 2009

    by OHdog on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:43:45 PM PDT

    •  It was not just parents and children (2+ / 0-)

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      It tore friend from friend, classmate from classmate.  There were the chicken-hawks then, too, who didn't have to go, but were all for someone else going.  Any of us who opposed the war were painted as unpatriotic, against the troops, etc.  Sound familiar?

      Distrust all unreasoning fanatics - even those who agree with you

      by Anti Fanatic on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:10:37 PM PDT

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  •  the irony is this: (5+ / 0-)

    In the main, the battles begun the 1960s (civil rights, women's rights, environmentalism, cultural freedom and experimentation, the anti-war movement, etc) were clearly won by those who began them: the bulk of these progressive lessons have been fully absorbed and assimilated into mainstream culture. However, in three ways the fate of these battles has been radically challnged and disturbed by certain reactionary anti-1960s tendencies, including:

    a) Reaganism and its aftermath
    b) the militaristic neocon doctrine of Bush Two and his ideological minions
    c) the vast takeover of the mainstream media by the right and the far right, as witnessed by the wholly manufactured hysteria regarding Reverand Wright, etc
    d) the endemic institutional racism and anti-progressivism that reults in something like today's Sean Bell verdict

    These four factors represent a powerful reaction against the gains of the 1960s, despite the fact that in the main people are largely more liberal in many of their own views and cultural practices now than they were in most the eras preceding the 1960s.

    So, we find an ironic situation in which the minority reactionaries (that still think Vietnam was winnable, for instance) have far more power than what they represent. They sought out that power, and have attempted to stuff their reactionary anti-60s agenda down everyone else's throat.

    •  The fundamental question is: (1+ / 0-)

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      If they are backed to the wall will they use nukes?

      An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

      by don mikulecky on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 06:54:08 PM PDT

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    •  We did win some battles... (5+ / 0-)

      I'm three years younger than Don--I was there. But the battles were so bruising and the losses so great (think 1968), that it's hard to remember those we won.

      The Civil Rights Act was certainly a win. I remember the days of poll taxes and open, flagrant segregation. We have come very far--though hardly far enough.  

      The women's movement was a win--though we lost the ERA. But my daughters have an infinitely different world than I did, fewer obstacles, greater opportunites. When I was growing up women could be teachers or nurses or secretaries--or, preferably, happy homemakers.  That's no old saw--it was true.  When I talked to a professor--probably 1964 or so--about getting a PhD in anthropology, he told me to go home and have babies--despite the fact that he bragged to his classes and collegues that I was his best student in years.  The English Dept. wasn't quite as sexist--so I went with them.

      I almost got fired from my TA job for taking a class in freshman comp to the first anti-war rally on campus. I did get fired from another university job for refusing to stop a black sit-in in a white dormitory.  The cultural wars were brutal. But we did win some--not many. And overall, Reaganism smothered most of them that survived the "war"--and is still doing the same thing today. It's been a long, dark time. I just hope this time those of you who have the youth and energy to fight the battles win more than we did in the '60s--and that, finally, the light will begin to shine.

      •  The first time I interviewed for a position at (3+ / 0-)

        Medical College of Virginia, the Chairman, Ian Bush (what is it about that name?), and I got into a heated argument.  He maintained that women did not belong in medical school and were wasting resources by being there.  They needed to stay home and be mothers.  I got the job offer and turned it down.  A few years later, a new Chairperson was not so backward and I took his offer.  When I retired in 2001 our Chairperson was a very wonderful woman.  Things do change.

        An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

        by don mikulecky on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:09:37 PM PDT

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    •  I would grade it differently (2+ / 0-)

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      Militarism - Lost then. Lost now. Lost in between. Especially in Clinton's time, a real missed opportunity. Instead of a radical downsizing of the military and a surgical remove of all of our overseas empire of bases, we cut a little fat around the edges. And of course we had to go through Reagan's time where we spent all our resources on weaponry.

      Civil rights - Made some progress, but not enough to declare victory. Still plenty of institutional racism (look at the prisons), plus they disenfranchise black voters.

      Women's rights - Made a lot of progress, but this country still hasn't even ratified the UN Convention to End all forms of Discrimination Against Women (CEDAW) [Along with only "states" like The Vatican, Iran, Sudan, Somalia, and some small Pacific Island nations]

      Environmentalism - Made some progress, but didn't do squat about peak oil or energy efficiency for the last 40 years [The theory of peak oil was published in the 1950s and predicted the lower 48 peak in the early 1970s]. Our cars get worse gas mileage today than when Reagan was sworn in. Not to mention the environmental movement has completely and utterly failed to counter unsustainable agriculture from mega-hog farms spilling pig shit all over the US of A to monocultures of corn that are destroying the wide variety of Mexican corn.

      Cultural freedom - More people smoked pot. But we still consume consume consume on Christmas like crack addicts for GI Joe with Kung Fu grip. Not to mention our rampant anti-intellectualism.

  •  World Revolution (2+ / 0-)

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    MLK once spoke about there being a world revolution, with America fighting on the wrong side.

    While that might have been a big call in the 1960s, it seems pretty much the consensus view in most parts of the world these days.

    I hope America does better this time around, the cost for taking the wrong path over recent decades has been borne by millions around the world, and it staggers belief that these issues are still being debated in America 40 years on.

    With prominent politicians still talking of invading or obliterating other countries... and doing so with the expectation of WINNING votes....

    what the fuck is going on over there?

  •  I think it's not the divisions (1+ / 0-)

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    of the 1960s so much as the unlearned lessons.

    If we had learned from Vietnam not to commit horrible acts of aggression, torture, etc... we might not be in Iraq. But we chose the warlike path that got us to where we are today, still the greatest purveyors of violence in the world.

  •  Maybe It's Really the 50's. (6+ / 0-)

    Republican Ike ran pledging to end a war and actually did so without victory.

    I think maybe the MIC just took a blood oath "never again."

    They almost pulled off running an impossible-to-win war forever in Vietnam, till both the draft pool and the troops mutinied.

    I'm guessing that after being beaten twice, the MIC cannot be stopped any longer.

    Then as to the cultural issues.

    People 60 and older grew up with invisible Negroes, and negroes and kids who stayed in their places. They were resistant to these newer trends 40 years ago and they still are. They still regard the days of polio epidemics and nuclear annihilation as the good old days. There may not be any more to the older vote than tha.

    To larger cultural issue:

    A great many people especially younger Americans make the mistake of thinking that the fact that these struggles first boiled over hard in the 60's means that they're about the 60's.

    They're not.

    They're about corporatists' rage over the New Deal, about the Puritans' rage over the reason and free love culture that suppressed authoritarianism to all-time lows, and about opportunity-stripped white workers' fear and rage over minorities who first appeared in the mainstream labor market just as the lower and middle class got stalled at what we now know was their peak.

    You can no longer put yourself through state college working fast food as we boomers did because of the Republican war on YOU, kids. You can no longer feed your family with one parent staying at home with the kids because of the Republican war on YOU kids. You can no longer get a middle class job making things for Americans because of the Republican war on YOU kids.

    We liberal boomers are targets in this war but if we were all raptured away tonight, notice the rage at bloggers, today's progressive youth and newer interest groups would be dropped into the hate slot as quick as hate radio dropped Carter for Bill Clinton.

    The culture war is against the people and every element of the Enlightenment that empowers them.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 08:34:28 PM PDT

  •  As one (barely) under 35... (1+ / 0-)

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    The Culture Wars seem like ancient history to me. Society hasn't changed much since I went through puberty, and I think that's when a lot of things get imprinted.

    Seems to me that the Republicans are failing miserably at finding something other than their stale old Vietnam-era rhetoric. We've seen the result in the crowds groups that come to hear McCain speak.

    They have the College Republicans, who consciously intend to maintain our plutocracy as such, so that they can join the ruling class. They have the congenital bigots. Aside from that, I expect that they aren't getting much emotional resonance with people under 35. And, they can't make a plausible evidential argument, since they managed to wrest control of all three branches...and the results speak for themselves.

    All that they have left to convince us is their philosophy, and that can't get much traction thanks to the anti-intellectualism that they've promoted. Whether now or next time, they are doomed, and I'm hoping for sooner rather than later.

    I also believe we must impeach Antonin Scalia for protection from his inhumanity.

    by SciVo on Fri Apr 25, 2008 at 10:30:47 PM PDT

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